Conference rdvax::grateful

	will this require voting?
	
	;-)  ;-)
	

    will this require getting organized??

box set or 1 or 2 tapes?

A couple jump to mind (small mind 4 jumps max/effort, I'll look over my 
tapes tonight)

5/2/70 "I Know You Rider" (Dead acoustic)
11/12/93 "How Sweet It Is" & "Tangled Up in Blue" JGB w/ David Murray
10/9/91 "H>S>F" Dead w/ Branford
9/24/89 "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" - JGB
9/28/77 "Eyes" (Think that was the date. Seattle show)

jeff

    Eyes with Ornette Coleman....what was the date of that tape again???? 
    
     %^)
    
    
    rfb

    not only will it require voting, i think it will require a party or
    three as well!!!!  :^)
    
    i move that we have a nomination process, and then when we get songs
    nominated, we have a bash and listen to some different versions of the
    songs to choose which versions we like...
    
    then after we sober up, we can have another bash to make the actual
    compilation and start some dubbing...
    
    					da ve

    Cool!  Where?  When?  I need a  DEChead party...bad!  I will contribute
    tapes.
    
    	dave
    

	grate idea da ve! i like the way you think  ;-)
	
>10/9/91 "H>S>F" Dead w/ Branford

	not sure i've heard this, but i'd like to nominate
	
10/20/91 H>S>Fire! w/Hornsby
	
	let the voting begin!  ;-)  ;-)
	

    after we sober up...ahhh, whadya mean?
    
    :)

    I've expounded on these shows before, but they're worth nominating:
    
    3-24-90 Albany "Loser"  The solo builds to a great climax.
    
    3-??-88 Hampton Jerry's voice was in its best form in years during this
    run.  The return of "To Lay Me Down" might be the best choice.
    
    5-13-77 Chicago "Scarlet>Fire" Not too many people have this tape, but
    the show blows away 5-8-77, etc.  Donna's even in tune.  :-)
    
    Jamie

    will this require taking an absolute stand?  I hate doing that
    especially w/dead related stuff.  I prefer to think of it all
    as quicksilver
     

    What about the Dew from the summer albany?

    or So Many Roads from the last Boston run?
    
    					da ve

    and there should be an eyes on there somewhere...  they did a hot one
    in foxboro a few years ago,but those ones from the early 70's are
    pisser!
    
    					da ve

    
    >3-24-90 Albany "Loser"  The solo builds to a great climax.
    
    I was going to nominate the '93' version.  Guess ought to listen to 
    that '90' version.  :-)
                           
    I have some brief interviews with Jerry and the band from the 80's 
    that would be pretty good.

    teh Albany Terrapin from that first year at the Knick!!!!!  one of the
    best that i was ever thre for!  nice jam on the end too...
    
    					da ve

Jerry's last song from Chicago as the last song on the tape.

    i second that nomination!!!  so that takes care of Black Muddy River...
    
    				da ve

To start the tape, maybe "Little Birdie" or "Little Piece of Pie" for the 
Sleepy Hollow Hog Stompers (6/11/62)

My nomination:

5-9-70 Late -- "Harder They Come" with Legion of Mary


- jeff

    
    I think I'd nominate Wharf Rat, 12-31-78

    3-21-94 Lovelite->Stella->Lovelite
    
    or at least the Stella NEway

Well, I probably don't have anything that someone else
doesn't have, but I do have facilities.

I'll volunteer as the host of the bash, and donate the
use of my two NAK CR1A's for taping purposes.  We'll
work out the details later on...

tim

So that folks don't forget that Jerry also played the banjo, I'd add 
Midnight Moonlight from the Old and in the Way album.

Similarly, I think the relationship with David Grisman should also 
be acknowledged - maybe with Friend of the Devil.  I like this version 
because I had thought that Jerry had squeezed about everything out of  
this tune - then he comes out with this gem.  Walking Boss is another 
way to go if there is a hot Dead version of FotD.

Jim

    i was listening to the Grisman and Garcia disk this weekend thinking
    some of the same stuff!  some of the acoustic work is caaled for!
    
    					da ve

	off the topic - but I've been reading that there will be some
	new releases of "Old and In the Way" coming soon...

Deep Elem Blues, from Almost Acoustic.  Probably my
favorite acoustic solo performance ever.

	hey tim grady (aka The Host) - have ya picked a date yet?

	Debess

Nah, but right now, it looks like it will have to be one
of these weekends:

February 2/3/4
February 16/17/18
March 15/16/17

...but those aren't firm dates.  I'm working out my
schedule this week, and should know better by Friday or
Monday.  Gotta go to Vancouver for 2/24 - 3/2, and I'm
trying to pick a weekend when the kids are with their
mom...

Stay tuned.

tim

    from what's been put in thus far it looks like there won't be much
    voting needed!  not too many duplicates or arguments about best
    versions... 
    
    i would suggest when the tape is made that we place the tunes in
    chronological order... (the nominations aren't!)
    
    i'd also suggest that we open this up to some not-actively-contributing
    decheads... Slash, Little Shit, GerryG, Fog, Jum Hendersnap, Geoff Keller 
    and anyone else that we're in contact with still...
    
the nominations so far:

To start the tape, maybe "Little Birdie" or "Little Piece of Pie" for the 
Sleepy Hollow Hog Stompers (6/11/62)

5/2/70 "I Know You Rider" (Dead acoustic)

11/12/93 "How Sweet It Is" & "Tangled Up in Blue" JGB w/ David Murray

10/9/91 "H>S>F" Dead w/ Branford
10/20/91 H>S>Fire! w/Hornsby

9/24/89 "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" - JGB

9/28/77 "Eyes" (Think that was the date. Seattle show)
    Eyes with Ornette Coleman....what was the date of that tape again???? 
	Eyes from Foxboro (a few years ago-91?)

5-13-77 Chicago "Scarlet>Fire" rare... even Donna's in tune... :^)

3-??-88 Hampton the return of "To Lay Me Down" 

5-9-70 Late -- "Harder They Come" with Legion of Mary

3-21-94 Lovelite->Stella->Lovelite
    
What about the Dew from the summer (95?) albany?

So Many Roads from Boston 95 run?
    
>3-24-90 Albany "Loser"  The solo builds to a great climax.
 ??-93  albany Loser   
                           
?? first year in albany Terrapin with the jam on the end 

interviews

I think I'd nominate Wharf Rat, 12-31-78

Midnight Moonlight from the Old and in the Way album.

Friend of the Devil and Walking Boss wiht David Grisman

Deep Elem Blues, from Almost Acoustic.  

Jerry's last song from Chicago as the last song on the tape.
                                                       

    looks like we have to pick an Eyes, a helpslip, and a Loser...
    
    the helpslip could potentially not be an issue if they're separated
    since both those versions (fire vs frank) are hot ones!

    
    Maybe we could produce a separate 100 min tape for the 60's & 70's.
    
    Then another for the 80's & 90's
    
    I'm really looking forward to this.

Did anyone nominate a Dark Star yet?!?
well then, my nomination is Dark Star from 3-28-73.
This is the Grateful Dead at it's finest - and I have a crisp copy of this - 
you can distinctly hear what each band member plays as they go off into a 
myriad of explorations...
sometimes tasteful tasty little licks that one or the other has been playing 
around with on their own and now complemented by the other bandmembers in the 
background - mosttimes it is all of them playing equally and off of eachother, 
and just so beautifully...there is a great section of the most tasteful 
feedback you are ever bound to hear (I kid you not) - I guess it's Phil 
and Jerry playing along melodically.  And Phil - he was the Beam of that era - 
hoooooooow loooooooooow can yoooooooou possssssibleeeeeeeee gooooooooooooo 8-)
Bobby plays such interesting and such beautiful rhythm - it is a great treat for
the ears.  Bill sounds like more than one drummer ;-) - lots of highhat(is that
what they're called) cymbols to make it light and airy.  Keith plays some 
tasteful lines in the background, sounding a lot like the same register as the 
rhythm guitar, but they complement eachother so well.  One couldn't do it 
alone.  (I really love the grand piano, much moreso than the organ - and I 
know -they- loved the organ more, but I myself really love the sound of the 
grand piano).

about a half hour into it ;-), the first words are sung.  After Jerry sings
the verse, interestingly, the audience politely clap-clap-claps, as if they
have been listening to a piece of classical music, and then, the boyz go off
into their fun-with-toys section.  Great stuff.

I read in Sandy Troy's biography of Jerry, that Jerry had been arrested 
driving from Baltimore to Springfield, and had actually spent the night in 
jail.  This caught my eye, because the Springfield show was my first show.
I can remember the little blurb in the paper about him being arrested for 
speeding, but it said nothing about drugs.  Anyways, I think whatever strong 
emotion Jerry was experiencing naturally would come out in his playing - a
negative experience for sure and yet the music is So High.  Wonderful, 
wonderful show.  From Dark Star, they went into Eyes, which I would also 
nominate, except that my tape cuts it off at the very end.  But, definately, 
there should be an Eyes from '73 - they were so beautiful, and this one 
just jumps off into an incredible jam at the end.  

Debess

ps - does anyone have a tape of the complete show - I only have from the
Weather Report prelude to the end.  I've been looking for the rest for a long
time...

>Nah, but right now, it looks like it will have to be one
>of these weekends:

>February 2/3/4
>February 16/17/18
>March 15/16/17


	can we vote on -this-?  ;-) ;-) ;-)

I probably have a few choice items I could contribute (have D7, will travel).
hmm.. 6/23/74 Black Peter (soundboard!)
I got a few nice He Was a Friend of Mine from '69 (I forget the show dates)
Lots of nice things on 3/23/74 - Bertha, Ramble On Rose..
Do we have a Sugaree yet?  5/18/72 ?

 Josh

    This is gonna get tricky - out of my collection only I can come up with
    about 200 hours of ESSENTIAL stuff! What are we shooting for here, 2
    tapes? 

    
    I would suggest that everyone make one nomination.  Only the BEST!

There's gotta be a "Dear Prudence" with a LONG jam in it somewhere.  

At first I said,  "should cover tunes like Dear Prudence, How sweet...., Tangled
Up In Blue etc be on this tape...."

Then I thought why not.

Then I thought well if someone actually sat down and thought out all 
the great Jerry originals then they'd easily fill a 90 minute tape up.

So there's something to vote on - should cover tunes be allowed to exclude
originals.  Or should this become 2 tapes.

Here's another Jerry tune - Standing on the Moon.  I like em all so someone
else'll have to pick.

bob

	and, noone's nominated a China/Rider yet...

And "They Love Each Other"   Nice Long Beach from 1981 (forget the exact
dates) for this one...

PeterT

    how about that jazzy TLEO from Kezar 73 with the Jerry Rap in it....

Standing - The 12/10/93 (maybe the 9th) for the LA Sports Area is sweet. If 
I don't fall asleep in the chair tonight I'll put some effort behind this

    since the first possible party date is the weekend of feb2-3-4, 
    i propose that we close the nomination process on friday...
    that will give everyone time to get nominations in, and give us
    time to figure out a selection process (do you REALLY think it will be
    as "simple" as voting? :^)
    
    					da ve

    if you guys actually get it together and pull this off, don't forget us
    COloheads when distribution time comes. Just one high quality tape will
    do and I'll make the dubs and distribute them here. 
    
    rfb

    I think TLEO is done better by JGB most times. How's about that one ya
    gave me with David Murray sittin' in, 'eh Strobel?

>    since the first possible party date is the weekend of feb2-3-4, 

	I was sorta not kidding about voting on the date for this party...
	I mean, yeah, tapes can be made without me being there...but I 
	-wanta- be there!!!  and I already know I have a conflict...
	But I know, I know, too many decisions already - let the Host 
	pick the date...

	...and someone, please come up with the best Wheel, and the best
	Jack Straw, and the best Bird Song, and the best Ripple , and the
	best Blues for Allah, and the best Shakedown...and how 'bout Attics
	or Brokedown, and there should be a JGB Deal...

	is part of this voting to pick from the picks too?

	Debess

    Debess,  do you have dates that are particularly good for you?  since
    Tim is hosting, i'd say any "voting" on our part is kind of overridden
    by availability on his house's part! :^)   when can YOU make it?
    then maybe we can get agreement without an actual vote?
    
    					da ve

    
    >is part of this voting to pick from the picks too?
    
    That sounds like a good idea.  We should probably initialize a list and 
    have people cut n' paste the list and include their single song vote.  
    For songs where there are questions/discrepancies, we should vote as a
    team.

	oh forget it - now that I look at his dates, I have conflicts on
	TWO of those weekends (too much fun and not enough time!)...
	(but the March date is the best for me ;-)...

	Debess

    
    Debess, you'll hafta cancel other plans.  This is very important! ;-)

	haH!

    
    How about a Morning Dew. I don't know where the best one is but
    the song should be in there. I heard a good one in Vegas 95 but
    don't have the tape.
    
    Sloan

     
      RE: morning dew - vegas'95
    
           that was so cool, with everyone spraying their mist bottles
      into the air!!! 
                                  8^) 8^) 8^)  ^dave
    

    the Vegas tapes *ANY* year could be used to pull some good versions
    from....Mighty Swell, the first year with Hornsby, pops into my head
    without much thought effort...the only time I've heard that song live. 
    
    Vegas 95.....sigh.......oh to see the fat man, just one more time....
    
    
    rfb

    
    Me thinks "The Best of Jerry" is actually going to end up as a 6-pack
    of 100 minute tapes :^) :^) :^)
    
    Hogan
    
    PS: The best "Ripple" is on American Beauty (my 2 cents)

I have a grate, raspy China Rider:  10/4/70.  Same tape also has a Sugar Mag
with a very pronounced wah pedal.

A great Bird Song: Kesey's Creamery, 8/27/72.

Josh

I agree that there should be some JGB on there.  Second that Emotion, Cats
Under the Stars (please!), Simple Twist of Fate, etc.

A good Bertha is requisite (if it wasn't already mentioned).

If there is a chance for repeats, I think we should do the Branford Eyes as
well as one of the 73 era Eyes with the jazzy jam at the end.

Sorry I don't have any solid suggestions, I don't have Deadbase memorized
like some of you :-)

As for Morning Dew, I remeber listening to a tape of the Grateful Dead Hour
(right after they changed the name from DHH) with what I thought at the
time was the best I ever heard.  I don't remember which GDH it was, and my
tape was stolen, but it had to be during GDH's 1-11 because I only taped
1-10 or maybe 11.  Maybe someone could scan an on-line listing of DHH's if
one exists.  I'd be curious which one it is.

adam

	this is gonna be grate!
	
	but, it's turning into more than 1 tape for sure.
	it may turn into more than one party at this rate.
	or else, 1 loooong party. how many tapes can we make in a
	weekend, queuing and dubbing?  ;-)
	
	

    Worcester 11/5/85 has a great TLEO.  Really nice sounding sbd too.

    /Ken

>A great Bird Song: Kesey's Creamery, 8/27/72.

	I -second- this nomination - this is the best!

	lottsa great renditions from this show...actually I think the
	China/Rider should come from this year too - the Europe '72 sound - 
	classic!

	and I will 2nd Adam's suggestion (again mine was buried in my
	DarkStarDiatribe) about a '73 Eyes - imo, those were the best.
	I only have 2 tapes from '73 and both of the Eyes have cuts, so
	I can't nominate one...

	Debess

Well, I'm very partial to the 6-18-74 Eyes.  Of course, you can't just 'do'
the 6-18-74 Eyes alone - ya gotta include the China Doll with it.

Josh

	I think it was Deane who suggested we all vote on one song...
	that's too hard...how 'bout all the voters vote for their 
	5 favorites?

	Debess

         The "Ripple" from the Radio City Music Hall tape/video isn't too
    shabby.  (1980?)
    
         I'm also partial to the "Stella Blue" from the 1991, fall, MSG
    shows .... sorry, I can't remember the exact date.
    
    Russ

	I like China Doll from the Reckoning album.
	Brings tears to my eyes every-time!  
	(never knew it was about suicide)


	Toby

    
    I definitely think we should limit inputs to one.  It would be unfair 
    to not include everyone on this despite differences in taste, experience,
    and prefernce.  We have a good 30 people who want to have contribute to
    this...we can always do more later.  For songs like China->Rider, or
    Estimated->Eyes or Help->Slip->Frank, I don't see where that would be a
    problem to include the pairs/triplets.  Although, this is art, if
    someone feels the absolute, dire need to add more than one song, it would 
    be wrong to discourage, yet maybe unfair to the other. 
    
    Let's start a list.  We can reorder it later:
    
    Song		Where		When		Donor
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Wharf Rat		Winterland:  	12-31-78	Deane 
     

  Quick comment:  At one point I tried to compile live Dead by breaking it
  down into periods...  Something like '68-9, '70-1, '72, '73-5, etc.  I got
  bogged down pretty quickly though.
  
  This all-periods approach, with lots of help (and a lot more source material
  than I could muster), is much better...
  
  When asked for just 1 (or just 5) nominations though...  I feel like the
  protaganist in those rental-car ads when faced with "aisle seat or
  window?"  <head spinning>
  
  Well, in the spirit of the commercial, at least I know which group I'll be
  listening to as I ponder...  - JayC.

    Wow, 66 notes and no mention of "Touch of Grey" yet??
    
    How about the one from the 12/86 Oakland run after Jerry returned
    from his diabetic coma.
    
    A good "Morning Dew" to consider is the Hartford '87 version. He
    wailed on that one. "Cold Rain" from that run wasn't bad either.
    
    Mike

>      <<< Note 509.65 by DELNI::DSMITH "Answers aplenty in the by & by" >>>
>                             -< too much I think >-

    
>    I definitely think we should limit inputs to one.  It would be unfair 

	are you talkin' to me...are you talkin' to ME - said in my best
	DeNiro imitation...my earlier note was about voting not nominating...
	if you weren't talkin' to me...nevermind!

    i think we should nominate all we want, then pick ONE version of each
    (maybe after a few listens at the party) tune...  if it takes more than
    one tape, then so be it!  :^)
    
    if we have trouble voting on a particular version, we can have
    primaries... :^)  fer instance, 5 eyes nominted?  2 get most of the
    votes, then a run off...  something like that...
    
    i move for unlimited nominations, but only one version on the final
    tape...  "best" being a subjective measure anyway, how badly can we go
    wrong?
    
    and i also move for as much live stuff as possible...  i'd rather not
    put studio versions on, with the possible exception of some of the
    Grisman/Garcia acoustic stuff...
    
    					da ve

    Eyes - Englishtown
    Dew  - Cornell 5/8/77
    Playing/UJB - Fox Theater 9/19/77

	Oh yeah, I came across Note 118, which mite serve as nominations
	from long-gone DECheads.   ??
	
	mite be some gems there.
	

	... although, in going back and reading all the replies ...
	in typical dechead fashion ;-) the note digresses around reply .12
	and there's nothing useful beyond that  ;-)

    Just a suggestion for the tape making process...
    
    I recently made a quick 60min mix of Dead/JGB for my aunt, a very spiritual person
    who I thought might like the music.  I started by brainstorming and
    making a list of songs I thought she could get into (while keeping in
    mind what I had available in my modest collection.)  
    
    Then, I just kinda went with the flow.  I selected the first song. 
    While it was recording, I came up with the next song.  Before I knew
    it, I had filled the tape.  The timings came out right and there was very
    little unused space!  When I played it back the songs blended well!
    
    So!  Here's my idea: keep up with the brainstorming process of selecting specific
    songs.  Looks like a nice list so far!  (it might help to know the time
    length of the songs)  Then, have a pahty, get together, and start
    creating the setlist.  Impromptu ala the Dead!  Then, its just a matter
    of working out the timings and flips for the tapes.  
    
    If all goes right, in the end will be something that is much greater
    then could ever be completely planned!
    
    noky                
     

    I love it.  

    I make tapes this way all the time.  I'm a would-be dj.

    Johnny Fever

>    i think we should nominate all we want, then pick ONE version of each

	okaaaaaay...then, how about something from the Phil and Friends
	night at the Berkeley Community Theatre - I think the date was 9/94? -
	the only "Jerry" song that I have from that is Birdsong, which is
	very nicely done - it is quite amazing the space that they can get
	into even with acoustic instruments.  Jerry's voice is very strong,
	even though he does flub one line, that should not keep it from being
	considered the "best of Jerry" ;-)

	(to open up a new can of worms, does the best of Jerry have to be
	a song Jerry sings on/wrote - surely the best of Jerry includes his
	guitar work! - probably not a good idea to even bring this up ;-)

    
>    and i also move for as much live stuff as possible...  i'd rather not
>    put studio versions on, with the possible exception of some of the
>    Grisman/Garcia acoustic stuff...

	I have a tape of Garcia/Grisman from the Warfield 2/91, which has
	an incredibly beautiful version of Friend of the Devil - there's 
	also a Ripple encore, but there's too much, shall we say, audience
	participation/enthusiasm to really hear Jerry well enough to include
	in this endeavor.  There's also some tunes with Jerry playing banjo
	on 'em...interested in those?


	and, I am still searching for the "best" Wheel - we must have a Wheel
	on this...

	Debess

    the wheel from beacon theatre 76 is nice

I got carried away (and am preety tired now). There are probably so better
versions of some of these, but here's a listing anyway...

Peggy-O            11/8/85
Eyes                9/28/77
I Know You Rider    5/2/70
Secind That Emotion 4/8/71
Miss 1/2 Step       7/22/72
Sugaree             2/9/73 or 2/26/77
Stella Blue         6/18/74
Stagger Lee         4/10/82  Garcia acoustic
Stand. ot Moon      12/10/93
Bird Song           8/27/72
Touch > Fire         7/13/84
Alligator           8/21/68
Let It Grow > 
Wharf Rat 	     5/19/74
New Speedway Boogie  3/23/91
Ship of Fools        3/23/91
That Would Be Somthg 9/25/91
Here Comes Sunshine  12/6/92
After Midnight        9/1/71 (Garcia/Saunders)
Lonesome & A Long... 4/1/76  JGB
Casey Jones          5/26/72
Dear Prudence        2/3/90  JGB
Russian Lullaby      2/3/91  Garcia/Grisman
Ripple               10/4/80
How Sweet It Is      11/12/93  JGB
TLEO                 11/12/93  JGB
Little Birdie        6/11/62  Hog Stompers
Dew                  5/8/77
Terrapin  		6/9/77 or 7/8/78
Cold Rain & Snow      4/23/70
To Lay Me Down        10/4/80
Brokendown Palace     10/3/94
Attics                10/3/94
Shakedown Street       9/10/91
Iko > Dark Star       12/12/90
Bertha                8/27/72
Direwolf             2/14/70
Dark Hollow          2/14/70
Tennessee Jed         6/27/73
Black Peter           6/27/73
Cosmic Charlie        5/2/70
BE Women              11/8/85
Row Jimmy             5/26/73
US Blues              5/7/77
Don't Ease Me In      7/14/84
Dupree's Diamond..    7/13/84
Uncle John's Band     2/9/73
Deal                  7/8/78
H>S>F                 10/9/91

	yow!  Jeff!

	(this -has- been fun, hasn't it?)

	Debess

    
    >I have a tape of Garcia/Grisman from the Warfield 2/91, which has
    >an incredibly beautiful version of Friend of the Devil - there's 
    
    DEBESS!  I can't believe you brought this up!!!!! I with JC the other
    day in his supernova and this tape was playing.  I had never heard it
    before and was pretty impressed, but then that FOTD came on, I was
    blown away at how incredibly gorgeous that version is.  JC's making 
    me the tape right now.  :-)   I'd say that should probably be the FOTD
    on the B.O.J. tape.   

    after a brief exchange with Jim Hnederson, he suggests a Catfish
    John from one of the acoustic sets back in the 70's (couldn't remmeber
    specifics though)...  anyone have any particular winners?
    
    					da ve

    oh yeah...  he also suggests "what a wonderful world"...
    

    and another from the not-noting-lately set...  Geoff Keller reminds us
    that a best of Jerry collection has to have something from the
    Reconstruction days...
    
    

	it take back the help>slip>fire
	
	here's my one song:
	11/17/73 Pauley Pavilion
	playin>UJB>morning dew>UJB>playin
	
	'course it'll take up one side of the tape   :-q
	
	
	;-)
	

>	11/17/73 Pauley Pavilion

I second that nomination!  I consider this the penulimate version of this
suite.   done to absolute perfection.

Josh

    here's input from Lisa Yetto...  the message is complete except for
    editing out her phone number and a couple of other references that i
    don't want to have to explain in a public forum... :^)
    
    					da ve
    
    
    
From:	CRL::"[email protected]" "Lisa Goldberg" 26-JAN-1996 09:05:11.35
To:	chipbz::dwest
CC:	
Subj:	Re: best of jerry


Hey da ve!!!!

Wow, very cool idea - and thanks for letting me be a part.  Yes, I think I
can rack my brain and come up with something....

Well, there was one of the BG shows in 91 when they sang We Bid You Goodnight
(ok, so I guess it was the last show).  Anyway Jerry sang the
"walking in Jeruselem just like Job" line - did the round and then next line
started the same line again, caught his mistake and sang "walking in 
Jeruselem one more time"  :-)

there is also one of my all time favorites .. Walkin The Dog from Philly 8?
I'll get the tape at home, or I bet Mystery would know.  There are only 6
Walking The Dog's and he helped me get 4 or 5 of them!

Let's not forget the China->Rider from the first ever Albany run

or the 5/?/77 Scarlet->Fire from Chicago (which I could use a better copy of
if anyone has! :-)

or how could I forget the DEFINITIVE Morning Dew from MSG 9/16/90!!  Yeah, if
I could only vote for one thing this would be it.  That was a downright
religious experience.  And I know you were there, that was the day Phyllis
had the party, I met my honey and, and, and... :^)

so that is what I can think of for now.  Feel free to pass them along or 
even post this.  And don't forget to say hi to the decheads, I still miss
you all!!

Lisa

re:  L'il Shit :)

I can't even recall "Walkin' the Dog" ... just the old blues tune?

>or how could I forget the DEFINITIVE Morning Dew from MSG 9/16/90!!  Yeah, if
>I could only vote for one thing this would be it.  That was a downright
>religious experience.  And I know you were there, that was the day Phyllis
>had the party, I met my honey and, and, and... :^)

YOW!  I remember that show!  What a time!  I met the Mr. Universe on a street
corner and it just kept getting better. 

Show was cool - cab to Phyllis' took forever to flag down ... party half the
night away....cab back to the MSG was easy and then the 5 a.m. drive back home
w/ me, Rae, John (my ex brother in law), Spine, Bill Cummins....

>>YOW!  I remember that show!  What a time!  I met the Mr. Universe on a 
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
gee Bob, I thought we'd met before 86 ;-)

>>street corner and it just kept getting better. 

	The Wheel 10/3/94 Boston Garden

	should probably include a minute or so of space, which has evolved
	into some joyous noise to be sure - trumpets and xylophones and
	drums (so maybe, technically, this really is part of the song since
	the drummers are in on it ;-) and Bobby "sawing" away underneath -
	and from this wonderful chaos, The Wheel just melts out of it.
	It starts out slowly, fluidly until they break out into the words.
	At the end, Jerry slows it down again but the rest of the band
	starts into Watchtower, he finishes his song and then starts right
	in with them in a bit...so, if this is chosen, and it's played to
	the -real- end, we will hear Watchtower starting and everytime we
	play this tape we'll think - now -why- didn't we include the
	Watchtower?!?  Really, don't y'all love the way Jerry plays
	AllAlongTheWatchtower?

	;-) ;-) ;-)

	Debess

	ps: da ve, thanks for making the effort to include our old friends
	who are no longer here in this file...

    nope, we won't ALL be wondering about watchtower...  feh... poooh...
    while i admit, Jer does sometimes go nuts, on the whole i find
    watchtower to be boring and repetitive and way overdone...  as good 
    a bathroom tune as any...  i don't knwo why everyone is so inclined to
    cover it...
    
    just my humble opinion of course...  your mileage may vary... :^)
    
    					da ve

	Watchtower boring!,  da ve says and noone, not a -one- adds a comment!
	hmmmmmmmmmm. well, I'm, uh, speechless ;-)

	Debess

    I called him some names, but didn't think they belonged in the file.
    I can put 'em in here if ya want.    %^)
    
    
    rfb

    oh sure... g'head g'head... :^)
    
    sticks and stones and all that...  it's still waaaaaaaay down on my
    list of covers i'd ever want to hear again...  i'd rather hear a thirty
    minute version of li'l red rooster, and i don't even especially care
    for the blues...  :^)
    
    				da ve

       personally, I think that every Dylan song the Dead ever played, they
    played beautifully....(well maybe not every time)....jerry always
    played some sweet, sweet leads during Dylan tunes...IMHO...
    
              :-)

	i sometimes get the dead intro to watchtower going in my head and
	gotta find a tape with a good copy. 'course, it can never be
	compared to jimi's version (which has a much different intro.) 
	i like the dead's versions of all the dylan tunes. the dead never
	did 'like a rolling stone', did they? i like hendrix's version!
	

	Shakedown 1/15/79 Springfield MA - wicked awesome!

	(probably the last time I saw Donna Jean)

    a week or two after that in providence was my first show! :^)
    the first and only time i saw Donna Jean (since they were asked to
    leave a couple of weeks after that...)
    
    oh, and stop...  :^)
    
    					

    
>    oh, and stop...  :^)



	;-D

So, should we be setting a definitive date for this yet, or
are we still debating and voting?

Suggested dates:

	2/2 (a.k.a. this friday)
	2/3
	2/16
	2/17
	3/8
	3/9

This Friday would be tight, but it's possible.  

tim

    
    Heard the Hendrix version of Watchtower the other day while riding in
    Leblanc's car.  IMO, the Dead couldn't come close on that one.  I'm
    with Da ve.   Let's put the Hendrix version on!! ;-)

I vote for either:
	3/8
	3/9

    this weekend isn't so good for me... the others are ok though...
    
    and i move we DONT put ANY watchtower on...  feh...  maybe when 
    we do a best of bob dylan tape... :^)
    
    					da ve

	so, now, how is this going to work?  how do we actually go about
	choosing the Best of Jerry from this huge list we probably have?

	Debess

I  like the Watchtower from a past Foxboro show...It was the only
one I really REALLY liked.  Can't remember what show ....

RE:  Hendrix's version - 
I think I might have heard this about 100000 times too many over the years...
:)

bob

    most Vegas WatchTowers were killer, as were Denver's...
    
    rfb

	bob,
	you listen to too much radio? 
	i never get tired of the hendrix version, tho i wish i had a few
	live versions to listen to.

    errr, Dave Matthews Watchtowers are also *VERY* good...right Ken
    Hannan?   %^)
    
    this is getting way off topic, eh??  %^)
    rfb

>    errr, Dave Matthews Watchtowers are also *VERY* good...right Ken
>    Hannan?   %^)
    
    Nuthin' I haven't heard on AM radio before... ;-);-)

    Actually, I don't remember ever hearing a DMB Watchtower, but I must
    admit they sounded pretty good live on WBCN/FM over the weekend.  
    I think it was the recent New Years show.

    /Ken

2/16 or 17 and the March weekend are ok for me

jeff

    2/17 party...

    2/17's a winner in my book

    
    I don't book my weekends....
    
    Tell me on the Friday before.  I'll be there whenever it is.  :-)

	I wish my life was more like that - I'm already making some of
	my -summer- plans...

I'm leaning toward 3/8, so far, then.

    
    
    Um, that's a lot of tapes....:)
    
    

    
    i think the next step is to group all the terrapins, all the TLEO's,
    all the standing on the moons, etc...
    
    then we need to match the nominations up with people who actually have
    that/those "special" one(s)...
    
    then we'll need to do some weeding if we want to keep this to two or
    three tapes...  unless we vote to turn this into a best of jerry box
    set... :^)
    
    					da ve

    
    Looks like a reel to reel would work even better!!
    
     Divide Dave
    

    I like da ve's approach. 
    
    I want to add one more nomination. :-)
    
    We must have something from the Jerry/John Kahn show (10/16/85).  There
    is a very sparse but beautiful Bird Song on the tape!
    
    When we group these performances, I'd like us to consider recording
    quality heavily in the selection, since we might easily be sharing this
    tasty treat with those uninitiated ones.
    
    Thanks!
    
    	dave
    

	wow, that's a lahge list!
	
	i agree with making recording quality a high priority.
	i also agree with that birdsong. i think i got that tape from
	you, dave. jerry at his acoustic finest.
	

    
       gotta have a day job! 
    
            day job 6/14/85

    you guys need a librarian to index and collate this stuff
    
    

    hey Carol...  knock yourself out!  no need to wait for an invitation!
    :^) :^) :^)
    
    i move that we REALLY really REALLY close the nominations now... 
    seconded?  
    
    				da ve

	i second!  ;-)

    One more ... "Mystery Train" from the Merle Saunders/Garcia/etc.
    Live at Keystone or Keystone Encores or whatever it's called CD.
    
    Oneof my favorite all-time Jerry songs; I'll supply the CD if
    nobody else has it.
    
    - Dave

    
    nope sorry...  the motion has been made and seconded...  a pox on
    "mystery train"...  :^)
    
    					da ve
    
    oh, okay... :^)  but we really do have to stop nominating stuff or else
    there won't be enough tape in the world for this... and we haven't even
    voted on the "first cut" yet

    One good thing about this effort, I sure have a nice list of tapes to 
    request from people now!! 
    
     %^)
    
    rfb
    
    

10/9/91		H>S>F Dead w/ Branford
10/20/91	H>S>Fire! w/Hornsby

9/28/77		Eyes (Think that was the date. Seattle show)
		Eyes with Ornette Coleman
? Foxboro	Eyes
		Eyes with Branford
'73		Eyes
6-18-74		Eyes.  
Englishtown 77	Eyes
9/28/77		Eyes

3-24-90	Albany	Loser  
93 Albany	Loser

95 Albany	Dew 
Vegas 95	Morning Dew
87 Hartford	Morning Dew 
Cornell 5/8/77	Dew
9/16/90	MSG	Morning Dew 

Long Beach 81	They Love Each Other
Kezar 73	TLEO 
		TLEO by JGB with David Murray 
11/5/85		TLEO.  
11/12/93	TLEO JGB

8/27/72		Bird Song
9/94		Birdsong w/ Phil and Friends
10/16/85	Birdsong jerry&john kahn

5/2/70		I Know You Rider (Dead acoustic)
10/4/70		China Rider
'72		China/Rider
1st year Albany	China->Rider 

'91 MSG		Stella Blue
6/18/74		Stella Blue
3-21-94		Lovelite->Stella->Lovelite or at least the Stella NEway

9/10/91		Shakedown Street       
1/15/79		Shakedown 

12/12/90	Iko > Dark Star       
3-28-73		Dark Star 

2/9/73		Uncle John's Band     
11/17/73	playin>UJB>morning dew>UJB>playin
9/19/77		Playing/UJB

3/23/74		Bertha
8/27/72		Bertha                

10/4/80		Ripple               
80 Radio City	Ripple (same?)
		Ripple on American Beauty 

10/4/80		To Lay Me Down        
3-??-88 Hampton The return of To Lay Me Down 

6/9/77		Terrapin  	
7/8/78		Terrapin  	
1st year Albany	Terrapin                           

12-31-78	Wharf Rat
5/19/74		Wharf Rat 	     

6/27/73		Black Peter          
6/23/74		Black Peter (soundboard!)

2/9/73		Sugaree             
2/26/77		Sugaree             
5/18/72		Sugaree 

7/13/84		Touch > Fire         
12/86		Touch of Grey after Jerry returned from his diabetic coma.

beacon 76	The Wheel
10/3/94		The Wheel 

87 Hartford	Cold Rain 
4/23/70		Cold Rain & Snow      

5-13-77 Chicago Scarlet>Fire 
3/23/74		Ramble On Rose..
11/12/93	How Sweet It Is JGB w/ David Murray
11/12/93	Tangled Up in Blue JGB w/ David Murray
9/24/89		Knockin' on Heaven's Door - JGB
94 Boston	So Many Roads 
7-9-95		Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)
6/11/62		Little Birdie or Little Piece of Pie -Sleepy Hollow Hog Stompers 
5-9-70 Late --	Harder They Come with Legion of Mary
		Midnight Moonlight from the Old and in the Way 
		Deep Elem Blues, from Almost Acoustic.  
9/20/70		something from 9/20/70 Acoustic set 
69		He Was a Friend of Mine 
12/10/93	Standing on the Moon
		Cats Under the Stars 
		Simple Twist of Fate by JGB
		China Doll from the Reckoning album.
2/91		Friend of the Devil Garcia&Grisman
11/8/85		Peggy-O
4/8/71		Second That Emotion 
7/22/72		Miss 1/2 Step       
4/10/82		Stagger Lee         Garcia acoustic
8/21/68		Alligator           
3/23/91		Let It Grow > New Speedway Boogie  
3/23/91		Ship of Fools        
9/25/91		That Would Be Somthg 
12/6/92		Here Comes Sunshine  
9/1/71		After Midnight        (Garcia/Saunders)
4/1/76		Lonesome & A Long... JGB
5/26/72		Casey Jones          
2/3/90		Dear Prudence        JGB
2/3/91		Russian Lullaby      Garcia/Grisman
10/3/94		Brokendown Palace     
10/3/94		Attics                
2/14/70		Direwolf             
2/14/70		Dark Hollow          
6/27/73		Tennessee Jed         
5/2/70		Cosmic Charlie        
11/8/85		BE Women              
5/26/73		Row Jimmy             
5/7/77		US Blues              
7/14/84		Don't Ease Me In      
7/13/84		Dupree's Diamond..    
7/8/78		Deal                 
70's acoustic	Catfish John
		What a Wonderful World
		something from Reconstruction
Boston 91	We Bid You Goodnight
Philly 8?	Walkin the Dog
6/14/85		day job
		Mystery Train from Live at Keystone w/ Merle Saunders

	i've also played with this list a  little.
	the results are in the next 2 replies.
	
	first, i eliminated anything without a valid date.
	then, i changed the date to a sortable format.
	the next reply is by date, and the reply after that is by title.
	
	

62/06/11    Little Birdie  (Sleepy Hollow Hog Stompers) 
68/08/21    Alligator
70/02/14    Dark Hollow
70/02/14    Direwolf
70/04/23    Cold Rain & Snow
70/05/02    I Know You Rider  (Dead acoustic)
70/05/02    Cosmic Charlie
70/05/09    Harder They Come (with Legion of Mary)
70/10/04    China Cat>Rider
71/04/08    Second That Emotion
71/09/01    After Midnight
72/05/18    Sugaree 
72/05/26    Casey Jones
72/07/22    Miss 1/2 Step
72/08/27    Bird Song
72/08/27    Bertha
73/02/09    Sugaree
73/02/09    UJB
73/03/28    Dark Star 
73/05/26    Row Jimmy
73/06/27    Black Peter
73/06/27    Tennessee Jed
73/11/17    playin>UJB>morning dew>UJB>playin
74/03/23    Bertha  (or Ramble On Rose..)
74/05/19    Let It Grow > Wharf Rat
74/06/18    Eyes of the World
74/06/18    Stella Blue
74/06/23    Black Peter (soundboard!)
76/04/01    Lonesome & A Long (JGB)
77/02/26    Sugaree
77/05/07    US Blues
77/05/08    Morning Dew
77/05/13    Scarlet>Fire   (Chicago) 
77/06/09    Terrapin
77/09/19    Playing>UJB
77/09/28    Eyes of the World (with Ornette Coleman)
78/07/08    Deal
78/12/31    Wharf Rat
79/01/15    Shakedown 
80/10/04    Ripple
80/10/04    To Lay Me Down
82/04/10    Stagger Lee (acoustic)
84/07/13    Dupree's Diamond
84/07/13    Touch > Fire
84/07/14    Don't Ease Me In
85/06/14    Day Job
85/10/16    Birdsong (acoustic)
85/11/05    TLEO  
85/11/08    Brown Eyed Women
85/11/08    Peggy-O
89/09/24    Knockin' on Heaven's Door (JGB)
90/02/03    Dear Prudence (JGB)
90/03/24    Loser  (Albany)  
90/09/16    Morning Dew (MSG) 
90/12/12    Iko > Dark Star
91/02/03    Russian Lullaby
91/03/23    New Speedway Boogie
91/03/23    Ship of Fools
91/09/10    Shakedown Street
91/09/25    That Would Be Something
91/10/09    Help>Slip>Franklin  (Dead w/ Branford)
92/12/06    Here Comes Sunshine
93/11/12    How Sweet It Is   (JGB)  
93/11/12    TLEO (JGB)
93/11/12    Tangled Up in Blue (JGB)
93/12/10    SOTM
94/03/21    Lovelite->Stella->Lovelite (or at least the Stella)
94/10/03    The Wheel 
94/10/03    Attics
94/10/03    Brokedown Palace
95/07/09    Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)

71/09/01    After Midnight
68/08/21    Alligator
94/10/03    Attics
72/08/27    Bertha
74/03/23    Bertha  (or Ramble On Rose..)
72/08/27    Bird Song
85/10/16    Birdsong (acoustic)
95/07/09    Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)
73/06/27    Black Peter
74/06/23    Black Peter (soundboard!)
94/10/03    Brokedown Palace
85/11/08    Brown Eyed Women
72/05/26    Casey Jones
70/10/04    China Cat>Rider
70/04/23    Cold Rain & Snow
70/05/02    Cosmic Charlie
70/02/14    Dark Hollow
73/03/28    Dark Star 
85/06/14    Day Job
78/07/08    Deal
90/02/03    Dear Prudence (JGB)
70/02/14    Direwolf
84/07/14    Don't Ease Me In
84/07/13    Dupree's Diamond
74/06/18    Eyes of the World
77/09/28    Eyes of the World (with Ornette Coleman)
70/05/09    Harder They Come (with Legion of Mary)
91/10/09    Help>Slip>Franklin  (Dead w/ Branford)
92/12/06    Here Comes Sunshine
93/11/12    How Sweet It Is   (JGB)  
70/05/02    I Know You Rider  (Dead acoustic)
90/12/12    Iko > Dark Star
89/09/24    Knockin' on Heaven's Door (JGB)
74/05/19    Let It Grow > Wharf Rat
62/06/11    Little Birdie  (Sleepy Hollow Hog Stompers) 
76/04/01    Lonesome & A Long (JGB)
90/03/24    Loser  (Albany)  
94/03/21    Lovelite->Stella->Lovelite (or at least the Stella)
72/07/22    Miss 1/2 Step
77/05/08    Morning Dew
90/09/16    Morning Dew (MSG) 
91/03/23    New Speedway Boogie
85/11/08    Peggy-O
77/09/19    Playing>UJB
80/10/04    Ripple
73/05/26    Row Jimmy
91/02/03    Russian Lullaby
93/12/10    SOTM
77/05/13    Scarlet>Fire   (Chicago) 
71/04/08    Second That Emotion
79/01/15    Shakedown 
91/09/10    Shakedown Street
91/03/23    Ship of Fools
82/04/10    Stagger Lee (acoustic)
74/06/18    Stella Blue
77/02/26    Sugaree
73/02/09    Sugaree
72/05/18    Sugaree 
85/11/05    TLEO  
93/11/12    TLEO (JGB)
93/11/12    Tangled Up in Blue (JGB)
73/06/27    Tennessee Jed
77/06/09    Terrapin
91/09/25    That Would Be Something
94/10/03    The Wheel 
80/10/04    To Lay Me Down
84/07/13    Touch > Fire
73/02/09    UJB
77/05/07    US Blues
78/12/31    Wharf Rat
73/11/17    playin>UJB>morning dew>UJB>playin

    wow
    77
    85
    91
    "Unanimously voted good years by the DECheads"
    

	all good years.
	
	and i didn't even nominate anything from my all-time favorite
	(ok, one of my all-time favorites) 9/3/85
	cryptical>other
	and the song playing in my head the day jerry died:
	comes a time

    starlight theatre
    
    that cryptical is sweet too

  If 2+ tapes are needed and it's getting out of hand, you might want to
  revert to a Garcia-co-composed set and a covers set...

  (Thinking back to the earlier discussion of including covers.)

  Just a thought.  In a quarter century of doing tape compilations, I've
  found dividing chaos into 2 heaps can give the comforting illusion of
  control, and also tap into a yin/yang thing.  [3 or more heaps somehow,
  cosmically, never pans out (for me).]  - JayC.

    This could explain a lot about my apartment (chaos theory!)

	chris,
	yup, starlight theatre. set 2.
	cryptical>other1>cryptical>eyes>don't need love>drums>
	nobody's fault>truckin>smokestack>comes a time>lovelight
	all one song!  ;-)
	with a nice it's all over now, baby blue encore.
	
	hey Jayc, you gonna come and contribute to the chaos when we dub
	this? we're gonna get drunk, do drugs and trash tim's house.
	should be a good time  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)

	i was thinkin' ...
	we need some rules to break for this. i've thought of some:
	- no released material = bootlegs only
	- songs chosen must have a very strong jerry feature: grate
	  emotional lyrics, or excellent jammin'
	- only songs where jerry remembered all the words
	- source tape must be high quality, no earbleeders.
	- tapes which show evidence of abuse (ie left out of the case on
	  the car floor, [you know who you are]) will not be considered
	- only one song from any given date, except songs like h>s>f etc
	- nothing with a donna scream, or a bobby rap
	- source tapes must have a verifiable geneology
	- DAT sources are a plus
	
	;-)  ;-)

    no donna screams
    
    WHERE'S THE JUSTICE?!???!????
    
    :^)

    
    Jay...there's little that makes me laugh outloud when I'm stuck here at
    work....but your note about tapes being left out really cracked me up!

I like the idea of chronological ordering - start with the very early stuff
and listen to the evolution and end with the last song from Chicago.  If there
was room on the end of the last tape, I might even add the Hunter eulogy 
(especially if someone can get a recording of him reading it).

Jim

I can help out with DAT sources of the old stuff.  Just pick a damn day
we're gonna do this! :-)  Actually, I'll be away on a ski trip one weekend in
March... duh... can't remember which weekend.. I'll bring in that tomorrow...
I feel like I'm talking like da ve now.... its the >....< I guess..... :-)

Josh

	Jay's lists I think have left off some nominations because they
	didn't have complete/any dates - right?  So, maybe those should
	be pinned down so they can be included?

	he also didn't include commercially released nominations - is that
	really agreed that that's the way we want to go?  I haven't heard
	anyone say they didn't agree with this - but there are some nice
	"live" suggestions there too - maybe someone can supply a bootleg
	version!?!

	one of my nominations was for a '73 Eyes - and I am still of the
	very strong (and yet humble) opinion that this year was the epitome
	of Eyes - I just don't have a recording of one that is perfect 
	(the playing is perfect, my recordings of them are not! ;-) -
	and I feel (even though there are several nominations for this song
	from other years), that if we don't consider a '73 version, we may not 
	get the best!  Even by '74, the style had changed...

	Debess

	and also, along with the chronological ordering of this thing...

	The suggestion of Jerry's last song being the last song on the
	tape(s) is one I like.

	I was thinking about what the -first- song should be.  I've never
	heard these hogstomper songs, so I can't comment on them.  But one
	of the early songs listed is "He Was a Friend of Mine" and it just
	seems like such an appropriate song to begin with.

	Now, I've never actually heard this done by Jerry, but have heard
	Dylan sing it - and to me, it's always been a tearjerker - I think
	he wrote it for Woody Guthrie - but, in any event, the sentiment is
	probably right on for what we're doing here...

	fwiw,
	Debess 

Are live boots of Old and In the Way and/or Garcia/Grisman readily available?
I would be disappointed if some of the unusual groups Jerry played in were 
not represented because of lack of a boot.  On the other hand, I don't see 
any problem of using only live boot of Dead material.

Jim

	here's the remainder of the list. some of them should be easy to
	nail down the date.
	
	
3-??-88 Hampton The return of "To Lay Me Down" might be the best choice.
95 Albany	Dew 
94 Boston	So Many Roads 
? Foxboro	Eyes
93 Albany	Loser
1st year Albany	Terrapin                           

		Midnight Moonlight from the Old and in the Way 
		Deep Elem Blues, from Almost Acoustic.  
9/20/70		something from 9/20/70 Acoustic set 
69		He Was a Friend of Mine 
		"Dear Prudence" with a LONG jam in it somewhere.  
Long Beach 81	They Love Each Other
Kezar 73	TLEO 
12/9or10/93	Standing on the Moon
		TLEO by JGB with David Murray 
Vegas 95	Morning Dew
		"Ripple" on American Beauty 
		Second that Emotion, Cats Under the Stars (please!), 
		Simple Twist of Fate by JGB
		Eyes with Branford
73		Eyes
11/5/85		TLEO.  
72		China/Rider
80 Radio City	"Ripple" 
91 MSG		Stella Blue
		China Doll from the Reckoning album.
12/86		Touch of Grey after Jerry returned from his diabetic coma.
87 Hartford	"Morning Dew" "Cold Rain" from that run wasn't bad either.
Englishtown 77	Eyes
9/94		Birdsong w/ Phil and Friends
2/91		Friend of the Devil Garcia&Grisman
beacon 76	The Wheel
Little Birdie        6/11/62  Hog Stompers
70's acoustic	Catfish John
		What a Wonderful World
		Reconstruction
Boston 91	We Bid You Goodnight
Philly 8?	Walkin the Dog
1st year Albany	China->Rider 
5/?/77 Chicago	Scarlet->Fire 

	my rules were tongue-in-cheek.
	i like to see the dechead voting process in action!
	
	;-)  ;-)

    
    I'd like to second that the studio recordings be saved for a later
    date.  I am really looking forward to hearing some of this live
    material to help me select future additives to my collection. 

    ok, here's yet another proposal...  i have taken Jay and Debess' lists, 
    and taken off all the dates, specific versions, studio vs live etc...
    i propose that each head be given 15 selections from the list of some
    70+ nominations...  the votes are for SONGS ONLY... not versions...
    if that brings us down to a manageable number of SONGS, THEN we can
    start picking versions...
    
    fwiw, i do have one bootleg Old and in the Way...
    
    as for Jay's suggested guidelines, let's decide on them after we get
    some SONGS picked!  and i propose one week of voting...  results
    tabulated a week from tomorrow?
    
    					da ve

here's the list of all the nominated songs...


    After Midnight
    Alligator
    Attics
    Bertha
    Bird Song
    Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)
    Black Peter 
    Brokedown Palace
    Brown Eyed Women
    Cats Out Under The Stars
    Catfish John
    Casey Jones
    China Cat
    China Doll
    Cold Rain & Snow
    Cosmic Charlie
    Dark Hollow
    Dark Star 
    Day Job
    Deep Elem Blues
    Deal
    Dear Prudence (JGB)
    Direwolf
    Don't Ease Me In
    Dupree's Diamond
    Eyes of the World
    Fire on hte Mountain
    Friend of the Devil
    Harder They Come (with Legion of Mary)
    He Was a Friend of Mine
    Help>Slip>Franklin  
    Here Comes Sunshine
    How Sweet It Is   (JGB)  
    I Know You Rider  
    Iko > Dark Star
    Knockin' on Heaven's Door (JGB)
    Let It Grow 
    Little Birdie   
    Lonesome & A Long (JGB)
    Loser    
    Lovelite
    Midnite Moonlight
    Miss 1/2 Step
    Morning Dew
    Mystery Train 
    New Speedway Boogie
    Peggy-O
    Playing
    Ramble on Rose
    Ripple
    Row Jimmy
    Russian Lullaby
    Standing On The Moon
    Scarlet begonias
    Second That Emotion
    Shakedown 
    Ship of Fools
    Simple Twist of Fate
    So Many Roads
    Stagger Lee 
    Stella Blue
    Sugaree 
    TLEO  
    Tangled Up in Blue (JGB)
    Tennessee Jed
    Terrapin
    That Would Be Something
    The Wheel 
    To Lay Me Down
    Touch of Gray
    UJB
    US Blues
    Walkin the Dog
    Wharf Rat
    What a Wonderful World
    We Bid You Goodnight

	oh noooooo...there's no Days Between - my favorite "new" Jerry song...
	oh well...

	don't scarlet/fire and china/rider count as one choice each!

    	and my 15 choices are:
                          
    1. Attics
    2. Bird Song
    3. Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)
    4. Dark Star
    5. Help-slip-frank (ok, so i think of this as one song!)
    6. Here comes Sunshine
    7. Morning Dew
    8. Terrapin
    9. The Wheel
    10. Uncle Johns
    11. Wharf Rat
    12.  Tennessee Jed
    13.  Shakedown
    14. Sugaree
    15. Playing in the Band

    re .151    sure...

re: a hot version of Brown-Eyed Women - I have an amazing sounding DAT AUD tape
of 3-23-74.  I forget if its in set I or II, but that version is nice!

Another thought - how can people vote on version they've never heard yet?
Maybe we should have a pre-taping party party, to audition the various
versions.

Not to usurp Tim Grady's offer of use of his pad - but my stereo is pretty
well optimized for extracting the best sound possible out of a tape.
I have an equalizer, dynamic noise reduction filters, 60 Hz hum notch filter,
etc.  The only problem is, my place is pretty small.  I could fit maybe 8-9
people max into my living room, with half sitting on the floor front of the
speakers.  Could stuff another 3-4 in the dining room, but thats about it.

Ken, Jeff M - you guys have been to my place - could you picture 10 
tape-crazed DECheads in my living room???  I have gotten a new armchair and
couch, but the sq. footage of floor space is the same.

 Josh

Playing in the Band >   Help-slip-frank >                     
Uncle Johns             Dark Star                              
Here comes Sunshine     drums > space >                       
Shakedown               The Wheel >                           
Tennessee Jed           Wharf Rat                             
Sugaree                 Terrapin >                            
Bird Song               Morning Dew >                         
                        Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song) 
                                                              
                        E: Attics                             
                                                                  

Hey I just thought of some new tunes - 

Remember the early 

mountains of the moon  and dupree's from the acoustic sets?
also there has to be a great darkstar and jam....

bobo

The 81 Long Beach TLEO is from  8/28/81.  
Something in one of the previous notes mentioned the Last song recorded as
the end of the tape, and then wondered about the beginning stuff.
How about one of the songs from a tape I (and possibly others) have
of Sarah and Jerry from a club called (I think) The Tangent, prior
to the Dead getting together.  The do a bunch of songs, all acoustic,
among them, The Long Black Veil, and Keano The Rent Man.  On the other 
side of the tape is another pre-dead band, a jug band whose name 
escapes me (with Hunter, Log Hollow?)  where they do more acoustic
stuff, including Mule Skinner Blues, and Jerry's Breakdown.

Just to increase the madness ;-)

PeterT

    Attics
    Bertha
    Bird Song
    China Cat/I know You Rider (ok, so I think of this as one song ;0)
    Dark Star 
    Eyes of the World
    Help>Slip>Franklin  
    Morning Dew
    Playing
    Ripple
    Scarlet begonias/Fire on the Mtn (ditto, ok...)
    Stella Blue
    Terrapin
    The Wheel 
    UJB
    and
    Jack Straw (I know, it's not on the list, but it should be!)

>	hey Jayc, you gonna come and contribute to the chaos...

  Sounds like a good time to me...  Depends on the date though -- last I
  remember, it was narrowed down to 2/16 or 17, 3/8, or other.

  My weekends are kid-dominated, my weekday evenings girlfriend-dominated
  (in a manner of speaking).  Can't decide who it's safer to disappoint.  8)

  Lessee, 2/16 is the start of the schools' Winter Vacation in my town, will
  probably be up in NH with the kids...   - JayC

>last I remember, it was narrowed down to 2/16 or 17, 3/8,
>or other.

I'm thinking 3/8 (speaking as the host...)

>my weekday evenings girlfriend-dominated
>  (in a manner of speaking).

Bring her along...she sounds like fun ;-)

tim

    Bertha
    Bird Song
    China Cat>Rider
    Cosmic Charlie
    Dark Star 
    Deal
    Dear Prudence (JGB)
    Eyes of the World
    Scarlet > Fire on the Mountain
    Friend of the Devil
    Help>Slip>Franklin  
    How Sweet It Is   (JGB)    
    New Speedway Boogie
    Ripple
    Standing On The Moon
    Shakedown 
    Stella Blue
    Terrapin
    The Wheel 
    Wharf Rat

    1. st stephen
    2. st stephen
    3. st stephen
    4. st stephen
    5. st stephen
    6. st stephen
    7. st stepehn
    8. dark star
    9. st stephen
    10. st stephen

this was hard

    Bird Song
    Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)
    Brokedown Palace
    Brown Eyed Women
    Deal
    Eyes of the World
    Friend of the Devil
    Morning Dew
    Playing
    Ramble on Rose
    Tennessee Jed
    Terrapin
    The Wheel 
    Touch of Gray
    UJB

    Ok - here's 15 (in no particular order)
    
    1  Playin'
    2  Scarlet->Fire
    3  They Love Each Other
    4  Eyes
    5  Cold Rain and Snow
    6  Stella Blue
    7  Deal
    8  Simple Twist of Fate
    9  HC Sunshine
    10 Ripple
    11 Row Jimmy
    12 So Many Roads
    13 Uncle John's Band
    14 Black Muddy River
    15 The Wheel
    
    Also, I've never heard Jerry do What a Wonderful World...
    but would sure love to!

       I think there should be three (3) tapes....best of Jerry from the
    70's, the 80's and the 90's.....since the same song (playin', for
    instance) is a totally different experience in the three diff. decades
    ...just my humble opinion...
    
               daveb_just_back_from_vacation_and_still_catching_up_...
    

    Due to conflicts with my personals schedule, I need to postpone this
    gathering by a week - to the weekend of March 15 (St. Patrick's Day
    weekend).  If this disrupts too many people's plans, I can also do it
    two weeks after that, i.e. March 29/30.  How does this strike everyone?
    
    tim
    

re <<< Note 509.160 by NAC::TRAMP::GRADY "Subvert the dominant pair of dimes" >>>

>I'm thinking 3/8 (speaking as the host...)

This date looks ok for us, however, 3/9 is better.




consider:

New Speedway Boogie, 9-20-70.

acoustic/electric.  most of the band in acoustic mode 
Jerry on electric.  scorching!!
i have a nice copy of this.

    March 15 doesn't work for me as i have a gig...
    
    March 16 could work for me as it is my birthday.... :^)
    
    						da ve

    Yeah, I like 3/16 too...  Well?  Anyone have any problem with turning
    this into a taping/St. Patrick's Day/Da ve's birthday party?
    

    yeah while spinning we can watch da ve drive the snakes outta Tim's
    yard...

	3/16 be good for me...

    and so, with very few votes in for top 15 songs, here's what we have:
                          
    5 The Wheel
    4 Bird Song
    4 Dark Star
    4 Eyes of the World
    4 Playin' in the Band
    4 Terrapin
    4 Uncle Johns Band
    3 Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)
    3 Deal
    3 Help-slip-frank 
    3 Morning Dew
    3 Ripple
    3 Scarlet begonias/Fire on the Mtn 
    3 Stella Blue
    2 Attics
    2 Bertha
    2 China Cat/I know You Rider 
    2 Friend of the Devil
    2 Here comes Sunshine
    2 Shakedown
    2 Tennessee Jed
    2 Wharf Rat
    1 Brokedown Palace
    1 Brown Eyed Women
    1 Cold Rain and Snow
    1 Cosmic Charlie
    1 Dear Prudence
    1 How Sweet It Is   (JGB)    
    1 New Speedway Boogie
    1 Ramble on Rose
    1 Row Jimmy
    1 St. Stephen
    1 Simple Twist of Fate
    1 So Many Roads
    1 Standing on the Mooon
    1 Sugaree
    1 They Love Eachother
    1 Touch of Grey

    
    Here's my list (in no particular order)
    
    Jack a Roe
    B E Women
    Attics
    Cold Rain & Snow
    Scarlet Fire
    China Rider
    TLEO
    Sugaree
    The Wheel
    Terrapin
    Deal
    HSF
    Bertha
    Birdsong
    Ripple
    
    
    /mj

    
    well, originally the proposal was to cut off voting today...
    
    now the question is, how many songs do you think we can realistically 
    include?  if we take the top 15, then the list would end at what,
    attics?  personnally i think 15 is pretty manageable...  still a tough
    task since now we have to wade through the different versions, and
    that's a lot of listening!
    
    has the line been drawn now???  take the top 15???  i still think we're
    looking at 3 tapes (and if there's room we can always use songs 16+ for
    "philler")
    
    					da ve

    well, adding in MJ's votes, the list changes somewhat, but not a whole
    lot...
    
    i propose now we draw the line after the songs that got 3 votes...  3
    or more, they are on the tape...  2 or less and they're on the cutting
    room floor...
    
    here's the new and improved tally...
    
                              
    6 The Wheel
    4 Bird Song
    4 Dark Star
    4 Eyes of the World
    4 Playin' in the Band
    5 Terrapin
    4 Uncle Johns Band
    3 Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)
    4 Deal
    4 Help-slip-frank 
    3 Morning Dew
    4 Ripple
    4 Scarlet begonias/Fire on the Mtn 
    3 Stella Blue
    3 Attics
    3 Bertha
    3 China Cat/I know You Rider 

    2 Friend of the Devil
    2 Here comes Sunshine
    2 Shakedown
    2 Tennessee Jed
    2 Wharf Rat
    1 Brokedown Palace
    2 Brown Eyed Women
    2 Cold Rain and Snow
    1 Cosmic Charlie
    1 Dear Prudence
    1 How Sweet It Is   (JGB)    
    1 New Speedway Boogie
    1 Ramble on Rose
    1 Row Jimmy
    1 St. Stephen
    1 Simple Twist of Fate
    1 So Many Roads
    1 Standing on the Mooon
    2 Sugaree
    2 They Love Eachother
    1 Touch of Grey
    1 Jack-a-Roe
    1 Birdsong    
    
    
    

    Not that is probably matters but... that birdsong at the
    end should be added to the one at the top... :-)  
    

Hey da ve,

Jeff S and I  "voted" in one note... 
bob


    

	divide it up, bob and jeff, and then we can make the necessary
	adjustments (maybe!- this sounds complicated) ;-)

	Debess

	what happened to the 9 votes for st stephen?
	
	;-) 
	
	

    re .176   ooops!  missed one...  i thought it seemed funny it only got 
    one vote!  :^)
    
    re .177   you need to talk to the o-fish-al vote tally-er... :^)  i 
    only added MJ's to what Debess compiled...
    
    re .179   was he old enough to vote?  :^)  if so see the section 
    marked "re .177"  :^)

    moving things along again...
                              
    6 The Wheel
	beacon 76
	10/3/94	

    5 Bird Song
	8/27/72
	10/16/85	jerry&john kahn
	9/94		w/ Phil and Friends

    5 Terrapin
	6/9/77
	7/8/78
	1st year Albany

    4 Dark Star
	3-28-73
	12/12/90	Iko > Dark Star       

    4 Deal
	7/8/78

    4 Eyes of the World
	'73		
	6-18-74		
	Englishtown 77	
	9/28/77		
	? Foxboro	
	?		with Ornette Coleman
			with Branford

    4 Help-slip-frank 
	10/9/91		w/ Branford
	10/20/91	H>S>Fire! w/Hornsby

    4 Playin' in the Band
    4 Uncle Johns Band
	2/9/73		Uncle John's Band     
	11/17/73	playin>UJB>morning dew>UJB>playin
	9/19/77		Playing/UJB

    4 Ripple
	10/4/80		
	80 Radio City (same?)

    4 Scarlet begonias/Fire on the Mtn 
	5-13-77 Chicago 

    3 Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)
	7/9/95

    3 Morning Dew
	5/8/77 Cornell 
	87 Hartford
	9/16/90	MSG
	95 Albany
	95 Vegas 

    3 Stella Blue
	6/18/74
	'91 MSG
	3-21-94		Lovelite->Stella->Lovelite or at least the Stella NEway

    3 Attics
	10/3/94

    3 Bertha
	8/27/72	
	3/23/74	

    3 China Cat/I know You Rider 
	10/4/70		
	'72		
	1st year Albany	

	<---- do we (who will be at this party) have all these tapes?

Well, I have DAT's of :
    5 Bird Song 8/27/72

    5 Terrapin	
	6/9/77	
	7/8/78

    4 Eyes of the World 
	'73    many!
	6-18-74		

    4 Playin' in the Band	many  71-74 

    4 Uncle Johns Band
	2/9/73		Uncle John's Band     
	11/17/73	playin>UJB>morning dew>UJB>playin

    3 Morning Dew
	5/8/77 Cornell 

    3 Stella Blue
	6/18/74

    3 Bertha
	8/27/72	

    3 China Cat/I know You Rider 
	10/4/70		
	'72	many

                              
    but, are you coming to the party Josh? ;-)

    without checking my list of tapes, I know that I have:
	The Wheel and Attics (10/3/94) but maybe someone has a better copy?
	BlackMuddyRiver (7/9/95) again, maybe someone has a better copy?
	Birdsong (9/94)
	DarkStar (3/28/73)

    so, that leaves:

    6 The Wheel
	beacon 76

    5 Bird Song
	10/16/85	jerry&john kahn

    5 Terrapin
	1st year Albany

    4 Dark Star
	12/12/90	Iko > Dark Star       

    4 Deal
	7/8/78

    4 Eyes of the World
	Englishtown 77	
	9/28/77		
	? Foxboro	
	?		with Ornette Coleman
	?		with Branford

    4 Help-slip-frank 
	10/9/91		w/ Branford
	10/20/91	H>S>Fire! w/Hornsby

    4 Playin' in the Band
    4 Uncle Johns Band
	9/19/77		Playing/UJB

    4 Ripple
	10/4/80		
	80 Radio City (same?)

    4 Scarlet begonias/Fire on the Mtn 
	5-13-77 Chicago 

    3 Morning Dew
	87 Hartford
	9/16/90	MSG
	95 Albany
	95 Vegas 

    3 Stella Blue
	'91 MSG
	3-21-94		Lovelite->Stella->Lovelite or at least the Stella NEway

    3 Bertha
	3/23/74	

    3 China Cat/I know You Rider 
	1st year Albany	

>    but, are you coming to the party Josh? ;-)
I certainly hope to!   The party isn't next weekend, is it?  I'm away for
a ski_weekend 3/2-3


I do have on DAT (this is the Boston Garden show, right?)
	The Wheel and Attics (10/3/94) but maybe someone has a better copy?
	BlackMuddyRiver (7/9/95) again, maybe someone has a better copy?
	Birdsong (9/94)

I do have on cassette:

    4 Eyes of the World
	Englishtown 77	
	9/28/77		


but this tape was recorded on a deck with the azimuth way off.  I can play
it back in a CR-7A (adjustable azimuth) but my tape would sound lousy in
any othe deck.

Josh

re:   <<< Note 509.185 by QUOIN::BELKIN "Nothin' left to do but :-) :-) :-)" >>>

> but this tape was recorded on a deck with the azimuth way off.  I can play
> it back in a CR-7A (adjustable azimuth) but my tape would sound lousy in
> any othe deck.

But depending on where the azimuth screw is and how hard the cassette door
is to get off (usually easy!), most decks have adjustable azimuth...  and 
what a difference it makes!

/Ken

>But depending on where the azimuth screw is and how hard the cassette door
>is to get off (usually easy!), most decks have adjustable azimuth...  and 
>what a difference it makes!

true, but probably not something people way want to have messed with under
party_conditions, without a handy nearby Nortronics AT-210 Alignment Tape,
pink noise generator, and spectrum analyzer, to put the alignment back where
it was after screwing with it :-).

OTOH, maybe I'll unplug my signal_processing_stack_o'gear and tote it along...
:-)

 Josh

Josh, bring along whatever you like --- no problem.

It's the 16th, btw.

tim

    Azimuth seems to be pretty easy to reset given a good source tape.
    But I ain't arguin' tapetech with Josh ;-)

    /Ken

    azimuth - that's just left of the franistat, right? 
    

    I thought it was next to the radiator

    
    you're here early today RFB.   i think you're right it's the
    rahhdiator
    
    

Hey Tim,

Couple of things - what time do you envision things getting rolling on next 
Sat?  Late afternoon?
Probably a good idea to not get started too late, but I'll be out leading
a XC ski trip Sat. morning/early afternoon, so I don't think I can arrive
any earlier than 5.  

Hasn't been a real DEChead taping party in a long time - might was well see
about doing it up right!  I'm into bringing over a bunch of stuff to play
back my DAT tapes.  I'll bring my home DAT deck for playback, and the small
portable for making a copy of the BoG onto.  I'll bring my stack-o-
sound-processing gear.  I have DATs of about 1/2 the stuff people want to
tape, and since people will be bringing their cassettes, I'll also bring my 
Nak CR7a deck for master playback of those.  I think it'll be a good idea to
use the CR7A for master playback because:  it has azimuth control, so it can
be tweaked for each different cassette; by using this deck for playback,
noone else's deck is tied up for playback, and everyone else can use their
deck for record; and it has a real-time tape counter that'll help in figuring
song lengths.  I'll bring a patch box and some long RCA cables too.
All this gear, and everyone else's deck, will (ideally) need a table to
go on.  Tim, do you have some sort of table than can be located near the
stereo?  I do have 10-15 ft' RCA cables that can go from the table cluster
to the amp, so the table does not neccessarily have to be right INFRONT of the
stereo cabinet or speakers.  I recall you have a pretty good sized living room.
If we get rolling around 5-6 PM, we maybe be able to finigh the BoG tape in
2-3 hours, and have time to spin a DAT for everyone.  I'll try to come up
with song lengths for the stuff I have on DAT beforehandd.  I don't think I can
stay tooooo late since I want to go telemarking on Sunday.

 Josh

Top of my list for today was to post something about this.

I think we can start around 6.  We can figure out food on the fly - pizza
or subs or something.  Everyone is welcome to bring beer/drinks
etc...I'll have some available too.

If you're coming, send me mail.  If you've invited anyone who isn't in
Grateful, just let me know, that's cool.  If you need directions, say so
- I have them canned, and I'll mail them to ya.  I'd rather not post them
publicly...

If you have source tapes and/or equipment to bring, let me know via mail
too.  

I'd like to get a rough head count.  I'd also like to invite anyone who'd
just like to get together for a general party, not just the tapers, so
feel free to come by even if you're not into the taping...after all, this
is also a birthday party for Da ve, as well as St. Patrick's day!

All are welcome - just send me a note so I'll know what to expect.

Thanks,

tim

hey now!  I'm psyched about this party next weekend!  I'm also real curious
to see if we're going to be able to make this tape thing happen at the same 
time!

Josh, I somehow don't agree that it's going to happen in 2-3 hours...I'm
thinking many, MANY hours - because we don't have the "master" in place yet.
We're going to have to sift through some versions and pick the best...how's
that going to work, I'll be interested in seeing!

it's always been -my- impression that this was a let's-get-the-DECheads-together
party and not -just- a taping party...I surely hope that it'll be a good
turnout...I'm looking forward to seeing y'all!

do we want to be organized more than "on the fly" about food and drink???
it shouldn't be too difficult for everyone to bring something to share with
everyone, right?  I just drink beer socially, uh huh, so maybe I'm not the
best one to make a suggestion - but if there's any leanings towards a keg,
I think we should all pitch in?  I'm more interested in something else to
drink myself - like koolaid!

the hardest to make happen logistically, fer shure,  is going to be the 
tapes themselves.  How will we make sure we have all these versions to listen
to?  I think right now we should try to see if we actually have tapes of all the
versions we want and that there's a way for those tapes to get to the party!

do people on our not-at-DEC-anymore list know about this party?

who all is planning on being there?!?

Debess (could you send me directions again tim?)

Picking what versions... I sorta think that in the case of where there's
say 2 or 3 versions of a tune, that we could play maybe 1-2 minutes of each
(but not neccessarily the whole tune) to get a feel for the tape sound quality,
and how the band and Jerry are sounding.  Then FF to the end of the song and
gather how long that tune;version is.   After doing this for all the
tune;versions, we'll have a list to start pruning down.  No way it'll all fit
on a 90 min or even a 110 min tape.  Some some of the longer tune's have to
go.  11/17/73's Playin'>UJB>Dew>UJB>Playin is 50 minutes, for example.
Terrapin Station is a tough call, too.... 1 Terrapin could easily take up
15 min, or about 2-4 shorter tunes.

Prescanning the tunes should hopefully take about 2-3 hours.  Assembling the 
tape about also about 2 hours.   I'll root around my collection and see if
I find some good versions of tunes, justa throw extra wood in the fire :-).

Definitely agree on debess's sentiments re: food & drink!  Also, tim, there's
room to set up a table in the stereo room for the clusterf*** ?

 Josh

	what's the criteria for the "Best" of Jerry?

	the best sounding tape?
	the best sounding music on the tape?
	the shortest version so we can fit them all on one tape?

	...I'm wondering -how- we're gonna stop a song 2 minutes into it!
	ouch! - I hate when that happens ;-)

	Debess

Josh,

I'm not too concerned about finding room, and I have a decent, heavy-duty
folding table about 8' long that we can pile the gear onto, if necessary.
I do tend to think this could get long - are we doing just one 100-minute
tape?  Two 90's? Two 100's?  How much actual tune time are we looking at
dubbing?  Another option, of course, is that once we've decided WHAT to
dub, we can dub till we drop and then defer the rest till later...either
I can do it myself or we can do it in the morning.  For those unaware, I
have a fairly large place that can easily sleep eight before someone's on
the floor, and everyone is welcome to stay over.

I'm with Debess about the theme of this gathering, too - this is NOT
intended as strictly a taping party - my intention is for it to be a
general purpose gathering of the tribe, as it were, and I'm encouraging
everyone who'd like to come hang out for the evening to drop by.  After
all, it IS the birthday of our only former presidential candidate, right?
;-)

So far, I don't have a lot of indications as to who intends to come -
only a few emails...if this is a pony-keg scale event, then let's clear
that up right now, shall we?  

tim

>it IS the birthday of our only former presidential candidate, right?
;-)

	only?  see note 225.0
	
	;-)
	

	btw, i intend to be there.
	
	i also like to 'bring food to share' idea.
	weather permiting, i may smoke a turkey.

wow, save a hit of that for me Jay!  :^)

i'lll be there...

as for taping, i think we should concentrate on making up
a really good master...  if we don't all get our copies that night,
we can run a tree for the rest of the world...

i'll bring my DAT machine too...

			da ve

    yeah da ve
    is that turkey filtered or non filtered?

	whatta you, a girlie man?
	
	NON.
	
	

re BoG criteria,  I'd say "yes" to all three.  For me, choosing which tune does 
depend on a mix of sound qual, performance, and the time factor.

Probably a good idea to concentrate on making a good master, as da ve
suggested.  However, I gotta pack up my gear no later than 11 PM, as I'm
going telemarking on Sunday come hell or high water (didn't get to telemark
this weekend and I'm jonesing real bad!).
I sort of see my role in this as the tape/mixing engineer - you guys are the
producer :-).  

 josh

Josh, you can play any role you like... ;-)

But I still need something of a head count.  If you're coming, SEND ME
MAIL.  If we have 20 or more people, we can figure out the food and drink
based on that...but I need to know how many so we can do it right...

tim

    this, as near as I can determine, is the list of tapes that we still
    need to get ahold of for the party.  any ?'s means that from the nomination
    there was no date given and I came up with possible guesses - maybe the 
    original nominator can decide from what I came up with.  And guess what, 
    I -still- couldn't come up with a date for that show with Ornette ;-)
    After the formfeed, I've posted the complete list that we're looking for,
    so anyone who is so inclined can bring any tapes they have from the list
    along (just because someone says they have it already, doesn't necessarily
    mean it's the best copy).

    Bird Song
	10/16/85		jerry&john kahn

    Terrapin
	3/24/90			Albany

    Dark Star
	12/12/90		Iko > Dark Star       

    Deal
	7/8/78

    Eyes of the World
	7/2/89 or 7/14/90?	Foxboro	
	?			with Ornette Coleman
	12/31/90 or 12/16/94?	with Branford

    Help-slip-frank 
	10/9/91			w/ Branford
	10/20/91		H>S>Fire! w/Hornsby

    Playin' in the Band
    Uncle Johns Band
	9/19/77			Playing/UJB

    Ripple
	10/4/80		
	10/22,23,25,26,27,29,30,31/80? Radio City 

    Scarlet begonias/Fire on the Mtn 
	5-13-77			Chicago 

    Morning Dew
	3/27/87			Hartford
	9/16/90			MSG
	6/21/95			Albany
	5/20/95			Vegas 

    Stella Blue
	9-13-91			MSG
	3-21-94			Lovelite->Stella->Lovelite or at least the Stella NEway

    Bertha
	3/23/74	

    China Cat/I know You Rider 
	3/26/90			Albany	



                              
    6 The Wheel
	beacon 76
	10/3/94	

    5 Bird Song
	8/27/72
	10/16/85	jerry&john kahn
	9/94		w/ Phil and Friends

    5 Terrapin
	6/9/77
	7/8/78
	1st year Albany

    4 Dark Star
	3-28-73
	12/12/90	Iko > Dark Star       

    4 Deal
	7/8/78

    4 Eyes of the World
	'73		
	6-18-74		
	Englishtown 77	
	9/28/77		
	? Foxboro	
	?		with Ornette Coleman
			with Branford

    4 Help-slip-frank 
	10/9/91		w/ Branford
	10/20/91	H>S>Fire! w/Hornsby

    4 Playin' in the Band
    4 Uncle Johns Band
	2/9/73		Uncle John's Band     
	11/17/73	playin>UJB>morning dew>UJB>playin
	9/19/77		Playing/UJB

    4 Ripple
	10/4/80		
	80 Radio City (same?)

    4 Scarlet begonias/Fire on the Mtn 
	5-13-77 Chicago 

    3 Black Muddy River (Jerry's last song)
	7/9/95

    3 Morning Dew
	5/8/77 Cornell 
	87 Hartford
	9/16/90	MSG
	95 Albany
	95 Vegas 

    3 Stella Blue
	6/18/74
	'91 MSG
	3-21-94		Lovelite->Stella->Lovelite or at least the Stella NEway

    3 Attics
	10/3/94

    3 Bertha
	8/27/72	
	3/23/74	

    3 China Cat/I know You Rider 
	10/4/70		
	'72		
	1st year Albany	

I have the 3/23/74 Bertha, and a few other good '74 Bertha's as well.

 J

i have some of them at home too...  don't have my tape list
on line though... :^(  i'll try and look them up tonight...

				da ve

ps. i know i have the albany terrapin at least...

    I have these:
    
     Bird Song
	10/16/85		jerry&john kahn
    
     Terrapin
	3/24/90			Albany
    
     Help-slip-frank 
    	10/20/91		H>S>Fire! w/Hornsby
    
    I'll bring them!
    
    	dave

re  <<< Note 509.206 by STAR::OCTOBR::DEBESS "such a long long time 2B gone" >>>

I have the following:

	3/24/90			Albany
	7/8/78
	5-13-77			Chicago 
	3/23/74	?? maybe
	10/16/85	jerry&john kahn
	6/9/77
	7/8/78 
	3-28-73 ?? maybe
	6-18-74		
	Englishtown 77	
	9/28/77		
	5/8/77 Cornell 

ok, since i;m in the job of deligating crap all day long, in the
spirit, i deligated deb to read all these notes and come up with
a reply... so ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for
deb ...


<clap> <clap>


hi guys,

ok heres the deal, jc and i are com'in to the pahty...jc has a delicious keg of 
brown ale that he is willing to donate to the cause...soooo, since jc has
 been "slacking" in reading notes, please send him a mail message regarding
 any changes which may take place about the pahty details.
we're look'in forward to see'in y'all this weekend!

(oh by the way, the keg contains approx 5gallons...2 cases of beer)

see ya-its been grate chatting with ya,

deb :)  
  

clap clap clap clap!!!

applause applause!!!!!

:^)

	would/did someone how knows how to use the not-at-DEC list,
	let those folks know about this party - it would be good to
	see those faces agin.

	Debess

the time-constraints I thought I was gonna be under on Sat. are no more...
I'm not leading a XC ski trip at Monadnock like I thought I was gonna be,
so I can be be at Tim's a little earlier to start setting up gear.
And I'm taking tomorrow off to go tele at Sunapee, so, having gotten that
primal urge out my system, I don't have to split early on Sat. night to go
get up early on Sunday to go tele.

Food - I'll bring some tasty frozen seafood-stuffed chicken breasts.

Josh

	won't be here tomorrow - so tim, how's this shaping up?
	have we decided if this is potluck/send-out-for-pizza
	keg/byob?

	Debess

	i'm not tim, but in case you don't get an answer ....
	
	i'd say if you have food to share, bring it.
	and, ya can never have to much beer, so if ya got that bring it
	too.    ;-)   ;-)
	
	chances are i won't be smoking a turkey after all. the 60 pounds
	of charcoal i put away last fall got almost all used up and it's
	tuff to find more this time of year. i may make some smoked turkey
	soup if i still have some broth in the freezer, tho.

Jay's right.

Bring what you can.  I'll pick up some beer, but no keg, so bring what
you like and we'll go from there.

Hey, I like winging it...;-)

Looks like something around 20 confirmed, give or take ten...the usual
showing...

tim

Just had a chat with da ve, as to what we could reasonably hope to get done
tapeing-wise.  It seems to us that we should aim for making a DAT master 
from whatever analog and digital tapes I and anyone else brings along.  
Then that DAT can be used to seed the analog.  In other words (as noted 
earlier) probably best not to worry about trying to run a lot decks all at 
once (ie. this way we can have a 'mixed-mode' party and not a flat-out taping 
party.. or something like that).  In other, other words, bring your tapes but 
don't worry about bringing your decks.  Uh, does that make sense?

Best of Jerry Judging Criteria:
What we'll do is toss all the tapes onto a large block of ice.  The hottest
tapes will melt through the ice fastest, and those'll be the one's we'll
use....yeah, thats it... the tapes that make it through the first round then
get tossed onto a block of dry ice for final elimination.... :-)

 - Josh

>Uh, does that make sense?

	yes. stop making sense.  ;-)
	(you're probably on the way to skiing, so never mind)

    if anyone wants a copy of that 'playboy after dark' dead appearance
    bring a video tape with room for 10 minutes and we'll spin it on
    the spot.  i'm bringing my source copy and a vcr.
    
    Tom

I have a good old-Dead video (assorted stuff) video, I'll bring that too.
Tom I hope you log in and see this, and bring a blank videotape!  :-)

 Josh

ps spring tele-skiing today at Sunapee aAWESOME!!!!!!! 

good time last night!!!!!!
thanks to tim for hosting.
thanks to josh for dealing with the taping.
thanks to everyone who brought food to cure da munchies.


i assume next order of business will be a tape tree for this
tape.

allow me to start:

zendia::ferguson
Branch
No Dolby
Sony->Harmon Kardon
Will dub 4 sets.

Thanks to everybody for turning out last night - a grate time. 
Special thanks to Josh for your patience, equipment and expertise
in putting together what sounds like a wonderful collection. 
When you get a chance, I'd like to see the final 'set list' for
the two tapes...

As for the tree - 

nac::tramp::grady
Branch
no dolby
dual NAK CR1A's
I can dub four sets.

It looks like, due to the song breaks, this'll be two 100's, or
at least a 100 and a 90, right?

Let the tree begin....

tim

	let me add my thanks to josh for truckin in all the equipment and
	dealing with the dubbing. and da ve for assisting. and of course
	to tim for hosting.
	
	i think we should start working on volume 2. we didn't get a
	dark star on there, and i'd like to see a 'comes a time' and
	there's many more!!  ;-)  :-)
	
	
	mkots3::jollimore
	mko
	no dolby
	leaf, please.
	
	:-)
	

Lotsa fun on Saturday night!  Good to meet Kathy, Tom, and Jim finally.

Let's hold off on the tree structure stuff until we know how this thing
fits on analog tapes.  Then, we will get a new note going for the BOJ tree.

Warning:  Don't sleep in the same room with Tim West when he's been drinking.
	  Serious snoring!  :-)

	dave

he he  he...  yeah, Tim can really saw wood with the best of 'em...

it too, had a terrific time, and would like to thank all my friends
who helped make my brithday something a little more special
with presents, and hugs, and presents, and love, and presents... :^)

and i especially appreciated being surprised by that
WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY CAKE!!!!!!!  my compliments
to the thoughtful person that went out and picked that out...  

	;^)  :^)  :^)

			da ve
  

             
         Twas a great party!  I had a blast!
    
         Thanks to Josh for dealing with the equipment. I'm sure the
         tape will be one of my favorites.
    
         Also thanks to Tim for hosting and everyone that showed up to
         make it a fun event!
    
         I thought that was you snoring Dave ;^)
    
         Cath
    

	
>	i think we should start working on volume 2. we didn't get a
>	dark star on there

	no comment.	

	I agree!  Excellent time!  

	thanks to tim for the use of his home, thanks to the sound engineer(tm)
	and his assistants, thanks to deane-o for the original idea.

	yeah, thank you for a real good time!

	Debess

>>	i think we should start working on volume 2. we didn't get a
>>	dark star on there

>	no comment.	

	that'll be the day  :-q
	
	;-)  ;-)
	

>	that'll be the day  :-q
	

	HEY!  what does THAT mean?!?
	and what the heck does that little face signify?  are you sticking
	your tongue out at me?

	well, we'll see...if I go a whole day without making a comment,
	can I do that back to you?!?

	;-)
	Debess

	^ ^
	0 0
	 c
	 O
	
	it means you never lack for comment.
	
>	and what the heck does that little face signify?  are you sticking
>	your tongue out at me?

	no, no. it was 'tongue_in_cheek' !!
	
>	well, we'll see...if I go a whole day without making a comment,
>	can I do that back to you?!?

	you can do that back to me w/o withholding your comment(s)!
	please, comment with impunity!!!  ;-)  ;-)

I sure was extra-crisp on Sunday morning.  Took all morning to plug everything
back into my stereo.

Thanks to Tim for providing the great party-space - thanks to da ve and probs
for helping out with the taping - thanks to everyone who brought their tapes -
and thanks to all those who actually stuck it out to the end of taping!

Last night I scanned through the tapes and marked down all the timing of
the songs.  Also, I came up with a list of Jerrytunes that didn't ever get
nominated, or were too far down on the list and were cut off, but in hindsight
seem like real classic Jerry to me.   There's a few that IMHO really should be
added to the tape (Muddy Water, Dire Wolf...)  However I spaced out this AM 
and forgot to bring in both lists.

I think if we go with two 100min tapea, we can easily fit two more "short"
(~7 min) tunes on Tape 1.  The way it stands now, Sides A and B of Tape 1 are
both around 43 min.  Also, we all might want to now consider song sequencing 
(thats why I figured out all the song lengths).   Can't do much about working 
on song order till I type in the info tomorrow, though.

 - josh

	first, I had to look up "impunity" to see that Jay wasn't
	giving me some sorta challenge... or insult ;-) ;-) ;-)

	about Josh's idea of "sequencing" - my thoughts on the subject
	are - leave it as is!  It seemed as it was being made that there
	was lots of thought being given to where the breaks would come
	in the analog version.

	for those that weren't there - it will give some sorta idea
	as to how the evening went - first there was a semblance of order
	(not chronological, not alphabetical!), then as the DAT filled
	up there was a switch to timing criteria, and then as people
	started nodding off, all rules were thrown to the wind and 
	who knows what ended up on the master ;-)  (except I do know
	that it ended as planned ;-)

	but, it is a true reflection of the way it went down and I
	think it should stay that way...imho fwiw!!!

	we can add those "classics" to version 2...

	Debess

re   <<< Note 509.234 by STAR::OCTOBR::DEBESS "such a long long time 2B gone" >>>

>	are - leave it as is!  It seemed as it was being made that there
>	was lots of thought being given to where the breaks would come
>	in the analog version.

Yes, this is true, we _were_ thinking ahead to the analog flips when
putting the songs onto the DAT, but its not too hard at all to resequence it.
For example, put it chronological, or semi-chrono order.  Or alternate upbeat
rockers with the slow ballads.  

The initial order that was followed was roughly "most votes first".

>	started nodding off, all rules were thrown to the wind and 
>	who knows what ended up on the master ;-)  (except I do know
>	that it ended as planned ;-)

I wuz bummed that nobody brought any "Day Jobs".  I think a side B of Day Jobs
woulda been nice, eh? :-)

Anway, I'll type in the 'setlists' and timings tomorrow.  Who knows, there
might be some obvious re-shuffling that can be done, that spiffs up the order
a bit.

 Josh

       I'm putting this under the best of Jerry note because it is made
    up of 30 years of different performances....
    
        I strongly recomend the CD "Grayfolded"...(the 1 3/4 hr. Dark Star)
    at one point there are 8 different Jerrys(all diff. ages) singing....
    that guy, Oswald did a wonderful job with his "plunderphonics" as he
    calls it....
    
    Also, while I'm at it the new disk by Trey A. (from Phish) and
    his friends sounds very much like a mixture of Drums and Space(tm) with
    horns.....even Mr. Leblanc might even like it...!!
    
                   :-)

>        I strongly recomend the CD "Grayfolded"...(the 1 3/4 hr. Dark Star)

Me too! It's an _incredible_ disc!!  Quintessential Dark Star* if there
ever wuz one. ;-)

/Ken

re          <<< Note 509.237 by AWECIM::HANNAN "Beyond description..." >>>

>Me too! It's an _incredible_ disc!!  Quintessential Dark Star* if there

Ken, you mean Dark.Star;*   :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

But if you have to choose a single version, its hard to beat the 2/13/70 
Dark Star that just came out on DPIV !

 -Josh.Belkin;1

dark.star;*

	HA!!!!!!!   :^)  :^)  :^)

Ok, here's the BoJ tape timings.  I think we should go to two 100 min tapes,
then we can add _4_ more Jerrytunes.  Hell, why not?!
Probs and Debess - I'll swap your 90's for 100's.

Best of Jerry  Tape 1

The Wheel	10/3/94 Josh	0:00:30
				0:05:16		4:46
Birdsong	10/16/85 probs	0:05:19
		Jerry&JohnK	0:15:00		9:91
Terrapin	3/24/90  JC	0:15:05
				0:36:20		21:15
Deal		3/23/74  Josh	0:36:24
				0:41:15		4:51
----flip-----

Eyes>China Doll	10/19/74 Josh	0:41:20
				1:05:36		14:16
H>S>Fire	9/20/90  probs  1:05:40
				1:28:00		22:20


Best of Jerry  Tape 2

Uncle Johns	5/2/70	Josh	0:00:15
				0:06:47		6:32
Ripple		9/20/70	Josh	0:06:49
				0:11:22		4:33
Scarlet		5/13/77  JC	0:11:24
				0:18:20		6:56
Morning Dew	4/28/71 Josh	0:18:22
				0:29:56		11:34
China>Rider	5/26/72 Josh	0:30:00
				0:41:26		11:26
----flip-----

Bertha		8/6/74  Josh	0:41:28
				0:46:47		5:19
Peggy-O		6/14/85 Deane	0:46:49
				0:53:07		6:18
Stella Blue	9/22/91 JC	0:53:11
				1:03:06		9:45
New Speedway	9/20/70 Josh	1:03:09
				1:13:07		9:58
Its A Sin	10/8/68 Josh	1:13:10
				1:20:47		7:37
Black Muddy R	7/9/95	Debess  1:20:49
				1:26:22		5:13


Here's some Jerrytunes that are IMHO  Missing In Action.
I very much want to add a few of these to the tapes - Muddy Water, in 
particular, has that old-timey folk/rock synthesis that Jerry loved so much.

Muddy Water  12/5/71  Only Time Performed.

I Second That Emotion  4-29-71	showcases Jerry's love of R&B

High Time   8/16/69 Woodstock

Black Peter  6-23-74

Dire Wolf

Half-Step   6-23-74, 5-19-77

Ship of Fools  6-23-74 (sorry, this _is_ just a great tape!)

Wharf Rat   12/2/73

Sugaree

Brown-Eyed Women

Ramble On Rose

They Love Each Other  6-10-73

It Must Have Been The Roses

U.S. Blues  6/23/73  (out of Dark Star!)

Althea  5-15-80

Crazy Fingers

re:        <<< Note 509.238 by QUOIN::BELKIN "but from that cup no more" >>>

> Ken, you mean Dark.Star;*   :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Exactly ;-)

> But if you have to choose a single version, its hard to beat the 2/13/70 
> Dark Star that just came out on DPIV !

Gray Folded contains a significant portion of the 2/13/70 dark star.
According to the liner notes, Oswald thought so much of this piece that
he couldn't break it up too much ;-)

/Ken

You left out Shining Star too..;-)

My votes:

Sugaree
Brown-Eyed Women
Althea
Ship of Fools

That H>S>Fire is from 91, not 90 (they didn't play the Boston Garden in 90)

adam

    I had a grate time at the party as well.  Any jalapenos left over?
    
>Scarlet		5/13/77  JC	0:11:24
    
    The highlight of this is the transition from Scarlet to Fire as Donna's
    in tune, Phil introduces Fire with a short solo, and Jerry takes two
    solos, the first smoking and the second blazing, before singing the
    first verse.  I vote (:-)) for dropping this since it gets cut before
    it ever becomes a "best of Jerry" number.
    
    Jamie

	and the voting continues! can you believe it?!?

	Debess

	regarding the jalapenos - I tried my very best to consume
	mass quantities of those babies ;-) - I even walked out the
	door with a pretzel covered with some pepper slices - but, alas,
	I believe tim probably had many left over...

	Debess

  Well, if the voting were still open, hypothetically...
  
Sugaree
Althea
US Blues
Wharf Rat

  I decided it's time to pick up Greyfolded (when I swing by Tower tonight
  for Beatles Anth. II)...    JayC.

    
    Did anyone eat the corn?

No (I brought it).  I've been chowing it the last 3 nights.

 -Josh

Well just about everything was consumed, with just
enough left over to indicate that we had just enough,
but I have two pending issues:

Jay Jollimore - I have your soup ladle.  It got shuffled
into the dishwasher and left behind.  Stop by sometime
and pick it up, at your leisure.  I never did get to try
your soup. :-(

I started out with a case of beer that I bought for the
party.  I ended up with slightly MORE than a case of
beer in my fridge.  Anyone interested in stopping by
after work today/tomorrow and having a cold one on me?  

My fridge runneth over.

tim

most of the keg i brought was consumed, although a bit is
still in it.  had one last night matter of fact (deano did
too!).


anyways... how about a JGB tune?
some *excellent* jerry on JGB tapes.

A JGB tune isn't a bad idea, but on most all the limited JGB I have 
the tunes are always very long.  Wouldn't fit!

 Josh

    Is there a tree out there yet for this?  I watched with great interest
    while this endeavor developed and am eager to hear the results of all
    the effort.  If there is a tree, please let me know.
    
    
    -jer

Well, no tree formed up yet, I believe _Mr._ Dave Levy was gonna organizize it.
I have to transfer the DATs to cassette - should be able to get to that on
Sunday.

 - Josh

I can't start getting the tree going until I know what tapes folks will
need.  Josh?  What analog tape lengths?

	dave

Well, I'm still plotting to sneak another 2 or 3 tunes onto the tapes,
if thats OK with people here.  Which would make it 2x100 tapes.  Lemme 
do the D > A first though.  I've needed a good empty evening of time to
ponder the tune lengths, and lengths of various versions of Dire Wolf, Black
Peter, Sugaree, Althea, etc., that I have, and come up with something.
Most evenings I get home from work too late with too much shit to do to 
do this.  Hopefully can get to this on Sunday.
  Josh

    
    Think rfb may have suggested a morning dew....
    
    Did we get one I on the tape?  I can't remember, I was drunk at the
    time. 

.240>Morning Dew	4/28/71 
	

	josh:
	
	any word on this?????
	
	(signed,)
	anxious of merrimack

Yes, sorry, I spun the 'master cassettes' and sent 'em off to Mr. Dave Levy
last week.  He should have gotten 'em by now.  Mr. Levy? :-)
It'll go on 2 C100 cassettes.  I did end up adding a few tunes, hope y'all
don't mind.  The Ship of Fools intrumental that opens the second set of
6/23/74 has very expressive Jerry guitar, as does the SoF that it goes into.
Little Sadie is a great almost-unknown acoustic tune that had to be left off 
of Dick's Pick's IV cause of the 'suits' having the tapes of it, I think 
(reading between Bear's liner notes!).  I like having Side B of tape 1 end
with an acoutic to link to the acoustic that opens Side A/Tape 2.
Sugaree continues the dancin' groove that China>Rider has, and Jerry's guitar 
is up-front in the nice AUD.  Jerry cracks his voice most amusingly in the 
final chorus :-).   shake it, shaaHHHAAAAkkeee it, Sugaree!
The GD interview is the short piece where he talks about how he got so pissed
after a '68 show that he threw Phil down the stairs, cause "the music was
f*ckd!", but they ended up using those tapes on Anthem.
Jerry muttering for just plain water, then the only-time-played Muddy Water,
this fits well to open Side B/Tape 2, which closes with Black Muddy River.
Is there a theme here or what? :-)

Final songlist is:

Best of Jerry  Tape 1

The Wheel	10/3/94 Josh	0:00:30
				0:05:16		4:46
Birdsong	10/16/85 probs	0:05:19
		Jerry&JohnK	0:15:00		9:91
Terrapin	3/24/90  JC	0:15:05
				0:36:20		21:15
Deal		3/23/74  Josh	0:36:24
				0:41:15		4:51
Ship Of Fools "instrumental" >
 Ship of Fools  6/23/74 Josh                    10:20

----flip-----

Eyes>China Doll	10/19/74 Josh	0:41:20
				1:05:36		14:16
H>S>Fire	9/20/90  probs  1:05:40
				1:28:00		22:20
Little Sadie    2/13/70  Josh                    3:00


Best of Jerry  Tape 2

Uncle Johns	5/2/70	Josh	0:00:15
				0:06:47		6:32
Ripple		9/20/70	Josh	0:06:49
				0:11:22		4:33
Scarlet		5/13/77  JC	0:11:24
				0:18:20		6:56
Morning Dew	4/28/71 Josh	0:18:22
				0:29:56		11:34
China>Rider	5/26/72 Josh	0:30:00
				0:41:26		11:26
Sugaree         6/22/74  Josh                    7:00

GD Movie Interview with Jerry
 (~1 minute)    10/?/74 

----flip-----

Jerry, pacing in dressing room:
 "Water, water... just gimme some some plain cold water!"
  GD Movie       10/?/74                       00:15

Muddy Water     12/5/71 Josh                    4:30

Bertha		8/6/74  Josh	        
				        	5:19
Peggy-O		6/14/85 Deane	        
				        	6:18
Stella Blue	9/22/91 JC	        
				        	9:45
New Speedway	9/20/70 Josh	        
				        	9:58
Its A Sin	10/8/68 Josh	        
				        	7:37
Black Muddy R	7/9/95	Debess          
				        	5:13

The H>S>Fire is from 1991, not 1990.  They didn't play Boston in 1990.  I
think I said this once before :-)

adam

>                                -< correction >-

	keerekt.
	w/hornsby. it was my nomination. ;-)
	

	btw, thanks again josh!  grate work.
	
	and, officially, thanks to these folks for their contribution:
	
	deanne-o - for starting the whole thing
	debess - for keeping it going
	da ve - for his organizational skills  
	tim - for his house 
	probs - for his tapes, consultations and tree work
	tom w. - for bringing the video :-)
	sloan - for bringing the cake  ;-)
	everyone - who contributed tapes
	everyone - who attended, shared food, beer etc.

	

    seconded!

    let's do it again!!
    
    :-)

I'm ready to do it again!

	let the votin begin!!   ;-)
	

	there's only ONE song from the 80's on these tapes

	Two.
	Deanne-o slipped in an un-nominated, un-voted Peggy-O.
	

	that was the one I was thinking of - what was the other one?

	Birdsong, acoustic w/John Kahn  10/16/85

  I was rooting for Althea (80s or 90s version), but...
  
  (No attenda the party, no second-guessa the lineup.)
  
  Can't wait to hear it.  - JayC.

    JC was Johnny-on-the-spot and got me blanks quickly.  His tapes will be
    in the mail tomorrow.  Everyone else will have to wait until June when
    I get released from forced servitude in Houston.
    
    	dave
    

Excellent mon.
JC

  My younger son Jeff has to write a paper about a composer of his choice
  for 5th grade.
  
  Found out yesterday he picked Jerry Garcia, "because I can ask my dad
  questions about him."  He told me this with a big grin, which tips me off
  that saying this probably got some memorable sort of reaction (my money's
  on laughter 8)  from his teachers...

  Now to me, this is perfect...  First, it's an honor to be picked for
  anything by a kid.  Second, I just heard from my Best of Jerry leaf; with
  luck I'll have the tapes before the paper's due.  Not bad.  Third, I
  actually have quite a lot to say about Jerry as a composer...  It's like a
  chance for all my thoughts about Jerry's music, since his passing, to
  coalesce.
  
  Of course I'll let Jeff take the lead, guide the exchange, and, to quote
  another string, express it in terms his schoolmates will understand.
  
  Nevertheless, I may be able to register a couple of points about Jerry as
  (a) composer of melodies for Hunter lyrics (b) key instigator (w/ Lesh) of
  collective spontaneous improvisations [some of which, as I hear them,
  would stand up alongside composed pieces when transcribed to paper].
  
  The audience probably will have 2 frames of reference -- classical/jazz/folk
  and alt-rock/rap -- and fall into 2 age groups (11 and, like, old).
  Assuming Jeff and I can find common ground ourselves, this could be fun...
  
  Don't know if the paper is to be presented in front of the class -- that
  could present some interesting possibilities...   - JayC.
  
     P.S.  If Jeff went for recorded samples (excellent filler 8)...
     For teachers, parents, & kids with classical/jazz exposure, it'd be
     ideal to juxtapose something like the transition into Cryptical, from
     Hundred Year Hall, where Lesh cues the change and Jerry, then others,
     pick up the riff), with a similar magical empath(et)ic musical moment
     from jazz -- maybe an excerpt of Bill Evans (p), Scott LaFaro (b), and
     Paul Motian (d) "Live at the Village Vanguard".  But for kids into 90s
     radio...  Not sure.  Maybe focus on some of Jerry's best vocal melodies
     & guitar lines -- a couple of well-chosen tunes could showcase both.
     Let Jeff program his own "set" of live & studio examples...

Sounds like fun...and it *is* neat to have your kid want to work with
you on a school project.  But I'm not sure mine would want to do
anything related to (and I quote) "the stinky Grateful Dead".  Forgive
him, Lord, he's only six...

>     But for kids into 90s radio...  Not sure.  

T-t-t-t-t-talking 'bout my g-g-g-g-generation!!!

Dan

For the Deadbase-impaired (and you know who you is! :-) I just sent you a
copy of my DEADSETS.LIS file.. 1300 blocks of setlists.. that'll keep ya
busy for a while!.. Doesn't Mr. Dave Levy have this file in on online
public directory somewhere??) I've added in the venues for the early stuff.
   Josh

Best of Jerry  Tape 1

The Wheel	10/3/94 Josh	0:00:30
				0:05:16		4:46
Birdsong	10/16/85 probs	0:05:19
		Jerry&JohnK	0:15:00		9:91
Terrapin	3/24/90  JC	0:15:05
				0:36:20		21:15
Deal		3/23/74  Josh	0:36:24
 Cow Palace, PF			0:41:15		4:51
Ship Of Fools "instrumental" >
 Ship of Fools  6/23/74 Josh                    10:20
  Jai Alai Fronton, Miami
----flip-----

Eyes>China Doll	10/19/74 Josh	0:41:20
  Winterland, SF 		1:05:36		14:16
H>S>Fire	9/20/90  probs  1:05:40
				1:28:00		22:20
Little Sadie    2/13/70  Josh                    3:00
  Filmore East NY

Best of Jerry  Tape 2

Uncle Johns	5/2/70	Josh	0:00:15
 Harpur College, Binghamton NY	0:06:47		6:32
Ripple		9/20/70	Josh	0:06:49
 Filmore East			0:11:22		4:33
Scarlet		5/13/77  JC	0:11:24
				0:18:20		6:56
Morning Dew	4/28/71 Josh	0:18:22
 Filmore East			0:29:56		11:34
China>Rider	5/26/72 Josh	0:30:00
 Lyceum, London			0:41:26		11:26
Sugaree         6/22/74  Josh                    7:00
 Jai Alai Fronton Miami
GD Movie Interview with Jerry
 (~1 minute)    10/?/74 
  Winterland
----flip-----

Jerry, pacing in dressing room:
 "Water, water... just gimme some some plain cold water!"
  GD Movie       10/?/74                       00:15

Muddy Water     12/5/71 Josh                    4:30
 Felt Forum NY NY
Bertha		8/6/74  Josh	        
 Roosevelt Stadium, NJ		        	5:19
Peggy-O		6/14/85 Deane	        
				        	6:18
Stella Blue	9/22/91 JC	        
				        	9:45
New Speedway	9/20/70 Josh	        
 Filmore East			        	9:58
Its A Sin	10/8/68 Josh	        
 The Matrix, SF			        	7:37
Black Muddy R	7/9/95	Debess          
				        	5:13

	WHATTA GUY!
	
	'round of applause, please, for: Mr. JOSH Bellllllllllkin!
	
	:-)    :-)    :-)
	
	btw, that big file exceeded my quota and crashed the whole
	cluster.  man, are people p*ssed at you!!!   ;-)  ;-)
	
	

BTW, someone asked about the jam after Terrapin.  Not even knowing where
the Terrapin came from, I immediately thought "it must be the Mind Left
Body jam from Albany in 1990".  After seeing the venue list for the BOJ
tape, I appear to be correct in my assumption.  I remeber much talk about
that jam after it happened because no one could figure out where it came
from.  I rememer spending a long time thinking to myself (at the show)
where I heard the riff from, and it turns out it's in an REO Speedwagon
tune!  MLB is from Bobby's solo album I think.  I doubt he covered REO :-)

adam

	i asked!
	
	it sounds like so many songs.
	wasn't that song "My Mind Left My Body" on the It's a Beautiful
	Day album,  _(something) and the Chrome Nun_   ???

re:       <<< Note 509.279 by MKOTS3::JOLLIMORE "Dancing Madly Backwards" >>>

>	it sounds like so many songs.
>	wasn't that song "My Mind Left My Body" on the It's a Beautiful
>	Day album,  _(something) and the Chrome Nun_   ???

Maybe it is.  I heard it was a jam on one of bobby's tunes.

I gotta finally listen to that show, after 6 years!

adam_way_behind_in_tapes_of_shows_he_saw

    It's a Beautiful Day album and _(something) and the Chrome Nun_ are
    two separtae albums.. (something) and the Chrome Nun_ was a Jeffeson
    Airplane spin-off....
    
    rfb

  Follow-on to previous reply:

  My son's school presentation about Jerry Garcia is coming up.  For the
  musical portion of the program (after a pretaped couple-minute "hits"
  sampler), he's going to attempt to evoke the unpredictability of a Dead
  show...  Each classmate, on cue, gets to trigger a (recorded) live cut by
  pushing a randomizer button...  Together they'll construct a set.
  
  Jeff is bringing appropriate attire & evocative props (within reason  8)
  and might offer a couple as prizes, tied to certain lucky cut selections,
  if the teachers allow it.

  For lack of time, I used arbitrary statistical means to select a pool of
  live cuts.  See below.  Turns out a healthy subset of these are available
  on commercial live CDs, including DP volumes, which will be loaded into a
  player magazine...
  
  Jeff rehearsed it for the extended family -- what a ham -- anyway it seems
  to have the right current of fun & adventure for the Dead, not to mention
  the last day of school...  - JayC.
==========================================================================  
LIVE STAPLES (by album)  => history o' Dead
-----------------------
Criteria:  50 or more concert appearances;  for covers ([), 150 or more.
 Obvious gaps filled in (revered items such as Ripple).

GDEAD   [Beat It On Down the Line (301)
        [Cold Rain & Snow (227)
        [Morning Dew (236)
        [New Minglewood Blues (428)

          X: Golden Road (3), [Good Morning Little Schoolgirl (45), [Sittin'
             on Top of the World (0), Cream Puff War (5), [Viola Lee Blues (28)

ANTHEM  Alligator (57)
        Caution (54)
        Other One (577)/ Cryptical Envelopment (162)
        
          X: Born Cross-Eyed (11), New Potato Caboose (19) [forgot any?]
        
AOXOM   St. Stephen (148)
        Dupree's Diamond Blues (79)
        China Cat Sunflower (520)
        
          X: Rosemary (0), Doin' That Rag (31), Mountains of the Moon (12),
             What's Become of the Baby (0), Cosmic Charlie (36)

LIVE    Dark Star (214)
        The Eleven (70)
        [Turn on Your Lovelight (316)
        
          X: [Death Don't Have No Mercy (36), Feedback (13), [We Bid You
             Goodnight (43)
            
WORK    Uncle John's Band (332)
        High Time (119)
        Dire Wolf (218)
        New Speedway Boogie (53)
        Cumberland Blues (202)
        Black Peter (332)
        Casey Jones (272)
        
          X: Easy Wind (38)

BEAUTY  Box of Rain (151)
        Friend of the Devil (300)
        Sugar Magnolia (590)
        Candyman (270)
        Ripple (41)
        Brokedown Palace (205)
        Truckin' (506)
        
          X: Operator (4), Till the Morning Comes (5), Attics of My Life (46)
        
SKULL   Bertha (382)
        [Mama Tried (288)
        [Big Railroad Blues (164)
        Playing in the Band (706)
        [Me & My Uncle (574)
        [Johnny B. Goode (266)
        Wharf Rat (386)
        [Not Fade Away (599)
        [Goin' Down the Road (279)
        
          X: [Big Boss Man (62), [Me & Bobby McGee (101)
        
GARCIA  Deal (405)
        Bird Song (294)
        Sugaree (336)
        Loser (330)
        To Lay Me Down (64)
        The Wheel (258)
        
          X: Late for Supper (0), Spidergawd (0), Eep Hour (0), Odd Little
             Place (0)
            
ACE     Greatest Story Ever Told (268)
        Black Throated Wind (142)
        Looks Like Rain (409)
        Mexicali Blues (411)
        One More Saturday Night (300)
        Cassidy (339)
        
          X: Walk in the Sunshine (0)
        
EUROPE  He's Gone (319)
        Jack Straw (460)
        [I Know You Rider (521)
        Brown Eyed Women (327)
        Ramble on Rose (284)
        Tennessee Jed (413)
        
          X: [You Win Again (19), [It Hurts Me Too (39), Mr. Charlie (43),
             Epilogue, Prelude
            
WAKE    Mississippi Half-Step (231)
        Row Jimmy (266)
        Stella Blue (320)
        Here Comes Sunshine (66)
        Eyes of the World (380)
        WRS: Prelude & Part 1 (51)
        Let it Grow (281)
        
          X: Let Me Sing Your Blues Away (5)
        
MARS    US Blues (321)
        China Doll (114)
        Loose Lucy (95)
        Scarlet Begonias (316)
        Ship of Fools (225)
        
          X: Unbroken Chain (11), Pride of Cucamonga (0), Money Money (3)

ALLAH   Help is On the Way (110)/ Slipknot! (112)
        Franklin's Tower (220)
        The Music Never Stopped (236)
        Crazy Fingers (144)
        
          X: Stronger than Dirt (6), Sage & Spirit (2), Blues for Allah (7)
        
REFLECT Might as Well (111)
        They Love Each Other (223)
        It Must Have Been the Roses (159)
        Comes a Time (60)
        
          X: Mission in the Rain (5), [I'll Take a Melody (0), [Tore Up (1),
             [Catfish John (0)
            
KING    Lazy Lightning (111)
        Supplication (126)
        
          X: Home to Dixie (0), [non-Weir/Barlow comps (all 0)

STEAL   [Promised Land (412)
        [Around & Around (411)
        [Big River (390)
        [El Paso (365)

TERRA   Estimated Prophet (389)
        Passenger (100)
        [Samson & Delilah (358)
        Terrapin Station (302)
        
          X: [Dancin' in the Streets (119), Sunrise (29)
          
SHAKE   [Good Lovin' (414)
        Shakedown Street (163)
        Fire on the Mountain (254)
        I Need a Miracle (271)

          X: France (0), Serengetti (0), From the Heart of Me (26), If I Had
             the World To Give (3), [Stagger Lee (146)
             
HEAVEN  Alabama Getaway (142)
        Far From Me (72)
        Althea (272)
        Feel Like a Stranger (207)
        Lost Sailor (145)
        Saint of Circumstance (222)
        [Don't Ease Me In (290)
        
          X: Antonio's Placebo [Plumber] (0), Easy to Love You (45)
==========================================================================  
  P.S.  Originally I was focussing on 70s shows, then I ran out of time, so
  I never got as far as IN THE DARK, BUILT TO LAST, and other albums that
  introduced new live staples.  All MIA above.

  Also missing are truly grate songs that haven't seen commercial/live
  release -- Peggy-O, with 263 performances, leaps to mind.  Love the
  version on Best of Jerry.  (Too bad I can't randomize a tape!)
  
  Albums like BEAR'S CHOICE, COMPLIMENTS, OLD & IN THE WAY, CATS UNDER THE
  STARS, HEAVEN HELP THE FOOL, etc., didn't introduce cuts that fit the
  arbitrary 50/150 criteria.  (Though Smokestack Lightning and Hard to
  Handle were much-performed...)
==========================================================================  

                     <<< Note 509.281 by SPECXN::BARNES >>>

>    It's a Beautiful Day album and _(something) and the Chrome Nun_ are
>    two separtae albums.. (something) and the Chrome Nun_ was a Jeffeson
>    Airplane spin-off....
    
S'been a while - 

Baron Von Tollbooth and the Chrome Nun.  That was the name of the album
by Paul K, Grace and Garcia and Hart sit in....

bobo

    
    WOW !  Your son has quite the creative bent, HELIX::CLARK.  What a
    fantastic idea.   as a matter of fact i think we should try it at a
    DEChead gathering sometime ...  
    
    Love to hear how it all comes out.
    
    c

just got my best o' jerry tapes yesterday, started with tape 2...WOW they are
most coool, I love the new speedway boogie from 9/70 ? Grate sound, I'd love to
get a copy of that whole show...

Thanx to all for the efforts involved, I'm gonna make copies for some not so
connected deadhead friends !

Wes

>most coool, I love the new speedway boogie from 9/70 ? Grate sound, I'd love to

my older brother was at that show - he still remember's Jerry's black guitar
he used for that acoustic/electric portion of the show.  Jer on electric
and Bobby on acoustic.  Jer gets into that twangy, growly sound!

the song is about Altamont.  I've known that for years.  But I never flashed
on the title till I heard a newreport the other week that mentioned
some racing at the New England Speedway (the one in NH).. duh... of course,
Altamont was a motor _Speedway_.  New Speedway Boogie.
"things went down I don't understand, but I think in time we will"

 - Josh

	re; Baron Von Tollbooth and the Chrome Nun.
	
	that's it. and, wasn't the group name It's A Beautiful Day? That
	album has  White Bird on it.
	
	in any case, it's a cool album. 

    yes...except they are TWO different albums...yer note still makes it
    seem like you think they are one in the same....
    
    rfb

	two albums?
	the group's name was It's A Beautiful Day. right?
	and the album's name was BVT and the Chrome Nun.
	
	

    NO...It's a Beautiful Day...the band....put out the album with White
    Bird on it..
    
    BVT and the Chrome Nun was an offshoot of The Airplane and it did not
    contain White Bird, and the musicians from IaBD were not on 
    BVT and the Chrome Nun. BVTatCN contained alot of weird, spacy music...I
    have a tape of BVT and the Chrome Nun, but no IaBD.....
    
    
    rfb

	ah.
	ok, i unnerstand. yes, i was confused  ;-)  ;-)
	
	thanks,