Conference mr1pst::music

    All I know so far is that there will be 2 seperate shows put on
    by 2 seperate shows. One of the groups includes the original
    producer, Mark Lainge I believe is his name but could be wrong.
    I'm not sure who is putting on the other. 
    
    Both shows will be in N.Y. state. One will be near the original
    woodstock but they can only get a permit for 25,000 people, yeah
    sure. The other will be about an hour away from the orginal site.
    This is Mr. Lainge's show. I think he is trying to get a permit for
    250,000.
    
    Acts, nothing has been firmed up yet.
    
    Don't quote me on any of this but I think it is a good start.
    
    Anyone else?
    
    Jim C.
    

     I hear they are having trouble getting Hendrix to appear  8^)
    
    							Brian

I believe they have currently signed on Aerosmith and Metallica (and one other
hard rock band whom I can't remember now). Last I heard, they also hope to 
land U2, Pearl Jam, and Peter Gabriel.

alan

    I read somewhere that Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young were likely to
    appear.  That is also their 25th anniversary (Remember the line from
    Stills at Woodstock..."This is only the second time we've played
    together in public, we're scared s**tless!"). Anyway, they (CSN&Y)
    were planning on a huge tour and schedule of events this year as part
    of the celebration.
    
    _stew-

   "Country Joe McDonald!  Remember when we did this last time?"

   "Er, no."

   -- Sam

    Country Joe and the Fish would be a good bet. Of course the Fish,
    Barry Melton, is a Corporate lawyer somewhere now. I saw these
    guys at a Woodstock reunion festival in Claremont N.H. back in
    79. They still had it, whatever "it" was.
    
    Anyone remember the LSD commercial???
    
    	"Well, if your tired and a bit run down maybe you ought to
    	try a little bit of LSD only if you want to shake your head
    	and rattle your brain make you act a bit insane. Eat flowers
    	and kiss babies, LSD for you and me."
    
    Don't know why I remember it but it came to me as I was writing this.
    
    Jim C.
    

    >Don't know why I remember it but it came to me as I was writing this.
    
    A 'flashback' perhaps?  :^)
    
    Jodi-

I saw Country Joe two years ago (solo) at the Old Vienna Coffeehouse in Mass.
He still sings well and plays a great guitar.  Still has his hippie morals,
too.  I got to talk to him after the show and we both had a great time getting
all p.o.'d over the Gulf War.  ;^)

- DC

    >I hear they are having trouble getting Hendrix to appear  8^)
    
    But the good news is that Elvis has already agreed to be there.
    
    ;-)

    Saw Joe on TV a while ago, he had a bit role in the "Tales of the City"
    miniseries on PBS.  He played a pot-smoking ex-hippie musician, not a
    real stretch, I guess...
    
    							Brian

    It would be nice if Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm could have a truce
    long enough for The Band to appear.
    
    Lorna
    

    Re .9:
    
    O' course David Crosby will have to spare some time from his bit part as
    a recovering alcoholic on the John Laroquette show if he's going to
    show up. (I have no idea if *that's* a stretch or not, but he's at least
    halfway credible on the show, anyway.)
    
    Bob

    re: .7
    
    More than possible. ;*)
    
    Jim C.
    
    

    .12
    Crosby should have no problem pulling himself away from that TV show,
    he died on the show ! crashed his harley....
    
    Chris

re: .12

>    O' course David Crosby will have to spare some time from his bit part as
>    a recovering alcoholic on the John Laroquette show if he's going to
>    show up. (I have no idea if *that's* a stretch or not, but he's at least
>    halfway credible on the show, anyway.)
    
It's no stretch at all.  He's a recovering alcoholic/drug addict in
real life as well.

-Hal

    Lorna:
    
    Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm have already talked and sang together
    at their induction to the RnR Hall of Fame last month.  I saw a clip
    and they played "The Weight" (I think).  It would be great if they
    played again at the Woodstock renuion.
    
    Mo
    

    re .16, according to Rolling Stone Magazine, Levon Helm was a no-show
    for the induction into the RnR Hall of Fame last month.  Were they
    mistaken?  I saw a very brief clip on the news, but all I saw was
    Robbie playing with Eric Clapton.  Rolling Stone, also, had pictures of
    Rick Danko, and Garth Hudson collecting awards, along with Richard
    Manuel's widow, but no Helm.
    
    Lorna
    

    I have friends that live in the town of Woodstock (one of the 2
    proposed festivals - the other being in Bethel) and the community
    board was supposed to vote on whether to approve the application
    for holding the "festival" there last night or the night before.
    If I hear anything about it, I'll post it here.

     Please keep posting any real info about this event. I was at the
    original, and would 'consider' doing it again....depending on who is
    appearing, and who's running it.
    
    I still have my original tickets....will sell them to any eccentric
    collector for an offer I can't refuse.
    
     Jp

    Spoke to my Woodstock friends last night and it looks as though the
    town is not going to stand in the way of the event.  More info if
    and when I receive it.

    Last week the Saugerties town board voted to approve the permit by
    a vote of 4-1.  This, as I understand it, was the final local hurdle,
    so if the "festival" doesn't materialize, it won't be because they
    weren't allowed to set up shop.

     I heard that there are now two (2) woodstock anniversary concerts
    schd'd. ?? One 'heavy metal' (why) and another with original woodstock
    performers like Havens, Sebastian etc.
    
    The original was a commercial disaster and an experiential (sp)
    event....not to be repeated.
    
    Perhaps a weekend in the woods....with the uncut original film on
    giant screens would be best....bring yer own, kickback, enjoy...
    
    it was what it was....leave it be !
    
    Where's Wavey Gravey (Hugh Romney) when ya really need him ?
    
    Jp

    I heard on the news this morning that the 'heavy-metal' Woodstock
    will be held on August 13-14th at $125.00 for both days.
    
    Trivia: the orginal Woodstock cost $7/day. 
    
    A local DJ (in LA) bought two tickets for the original concert
    but found he didn't need them because the fence had been knocked
    down.  He still has the unused tickets in the original envelope
    and has been told they are worth ~$8000.00!
    
    Jodi-

    RE .22
    
    Wavy Gravy is running a children's fun camp in California.

re -.1:

>    Wavy Gravy is running a children's fun camp in California.

That's funny.  I coulda swore I saw him on last week's episode
of The Simpsons.   

There was an AP article about "Woodstock II" in yesterday's paper.  About
the second concert ... "being planned for the Bethel NY farm where the original
Woodstock was held.  Promoter Sid Bernstein wants to bring back original
Woodstockers like John Sebastian and Melanie.  But he faces a deadline at the
end of the month to prove he has the necessary financial backing."

- dc

"lotta freaks!"
		-- Arlo

    I'd like to see a Woodstock II show with the Allman Brothers, The Band,
    CSN, God Street Wine, Col. Bruce Hampton & the Aquarium Rescue Unit, 
    Blues Traveler, Widespread Panic, Bela Fleck, Phish, and etc...
    
    bands that like to jam.....:)
          

According to the article, the show at Saugerties NY is expected to include
Aerosmith, Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails, Metallica, The Rollins Band, Peter
Gabriel, Alice in Chains, Cypress Hill, Van Halen, and the Spin Doctors.
There's also a mention of Neil Young and Crosby Stills and Nash (not 
necessarily all four together ;^), Public Enemy and Red Hot Chili Peppers.

August 13-14, with tickets expected to go on sale in early June, cost
around $125 and available by lottery.

    
    RE a few back:
    
    ~$8000 for tickets to the original Woodstock!?! I was there and still
    have mine. Plus I have the program (somewhere in my 'archives'). Last 
    I looked it was in excellent condition, which is amazing considering
    the condition *I* was in during the event. 
    
    Does this mean I can retire before this company puts me on the street?
    
    steve

    Re .24....Ain't what I meant....wonderful to jam it up today...with
    todays music/bands, or yesterdays. I just have a gripe with the
    Woodstock II, Rocky 77, Altamont revisited ...commercial mentality.
    
    Produce a concert, get old and new together...fine, but don't call it
    by another name just to make a buck. What was, was...today should make
    it on it's own.
    
    << "it's the people and the times that make the event" >> Right, so why
     is this Woodstock II, why not Concert 90's......... 
    
     This will NOT be a 90's WOODSTOCK. Woodstock expected 35,000 for a 
     weekend of sun n music, 500,000 came....it was GREAT, minimal hassles,
     lotsa mutual help/support/sharing.....day's of non stop music by
     outstanding performers....CSN 1st time out....something to witness.
     We were 'trapped' there and didn't care....felt safe amongst the
     crowds....different time, different mindset.
    
     Maybe it's selfish nostalgia, but this ain't gonna be WOODSTOCK
    anything.
    
     Go for it...to it, but call it what it is....not after what was.
    
     let the people and the time make their own mark....spectacular as they
     can.....
    
     The beet goes on.......
    
    Jp
    

     WoW $8000 !! I got mine in a frame....and I'll sell to the 1st person
     with $4000, and I'll throw in the LIFE woodstock edition....I had my
     camera with me, but for some reason (?) forgot to take any pictures..!
    
     Thank you Max.
    
     Jp

    Anybody seen the Pepsi ad making fun of the second Woodstock...
    
    John Sebastian asks Country Joe, "Remember how it was the last time?"
    Joe sez "Nope"...
    
    Where's mah rockin' chair?
    
    							Brian

John Sebastian enthusiastically does one of those late-night 30 minute
commercials now, for Woodstock CDs and videos.

    My perfect Woodstock II *has* to include Robbie Robertson with The Band
    (so time for Levon to stop being jealous because he's not as talented
    or cute, and just be glad he had somebody to write some decent songs
    for him to sing).
    
    I'd also want Neil Young to be there.  It's always annoyed me he
    doesn't appear in the movie.  I have always found those other three
    guys to be very boring in comparison to Neil.
    
    I'd also want Johnny Winter to return for Woodstock II.
    
    Lorna
    

    re -.1
    
    	C'mon, Lorna - be real!  You wouldn't call it perfect unless Bono
    and Springsteen and Petty were there! :-) :-)
    
    						- Jim

and Bill Gates!

    re .37, who's Bill Gates?  The Chairman of Apple?  Or, is it some
    little known folk singer from the '60's?  
    
    re .36, but, Jim, I was trying to at least stick to people who were
    actually at the first Woodstock, but, of course, Springsteen, Bono, and
    Petty would be happy additions to any gathering.  :-)
    
    Jim, were you at the first Woodstock?   :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    >> FXODEV::PONCE
    >>
    >>       This will NOT be a 90's WOODSTOCK. Woodstock expected 35,000
    >> for a weekend of sun n music, 500,000 came....it was GREAT, minimal
    >> hassles, lotsa mutual help/support/sharing.....day's of non stop music 
    >> by outstanding performers....CSN 1st time out....something to
    >> witness.  We were 'trapped' there and didn't care....felt safe amongst 
    >> the crowds....different time, different mindset.
    >>     
    >>     Maybe it's selfish nostalgia, but this ain't gonna be WOODSTOCK
    >>    anything.
    
    
    I agree with you completely....
    
    It kind of bothered me at first when I heard that a Woodstock II was 
    going to happen and that bands like Guns-n-Roses and Metallica were going 
    to be there.  I couldn't understand why they would call it 'Woodstock' 
    except for marketing purposes.
    
    And this time there will be a lot of police and I doubt anyone will be able
    to get in without a ticket....;')
    

>>    (so time for Levon to stop being jealous because he's not as talented
>>    or cute...

    well, robby, yes he used to be "cute", but levon, he was sexy.
    those drummers - man. 

re Danielle    
    
>    to be there.  I couldn't understand why they would call it 'Woodstock' 
>    except for marketing purposes.
    
According to the promoter (John Scher), they're purposely targeting younger
folks ... "the people who are in their 30s and 40s had their Woodstock."

That's interesting ... I'm in my 30s, and while Woodstock was happening,
I was probably attending one of my first Cub Scout meetings.  ;^)

    Re - Lorna...
    
    	Lorna, i wasn't even a fetus when Woodstock happened!  To be
    honest, I'm not sure I would've enjoyed all that much - yeah, gettin'
    high and happy and muddy and sweaty and listening to 60's Summa o' Luv
    music . . . not my idea of a real happenin' time.
    
    	But then, I *loved* Hudson Hawk, so what do I know? :-)
    
    					- Jim

    I'm fully prepared to be corrected on this, but I don't think Robbie
    Robertson and The Band were at Woodstock.
    
    Right?

I don't think they were, either.  I think the performers were

John Sebastian
Canned Heat
Richie Havens
Country Joe & the Fish
Arlo Guthrie
Sha-Na-Na
Joan Baez
CSN&Y
The Who
Joe Cocker
The Grateful Dead
CCR
Janis Joplin
Santana
Ten Years After
Jefferson Airplane
Sly & the Family Stone
Butterfield Blues Band
Jimi Hendrix

Any others?

    Mountain
    Johnny Winter

    RE: The Band

    The Band was _scheduled_ to perform the first day, which -- sitting in
    traffic for about 8 hours -- I missed. I can't recall ever hearing
    whether or not they actually performed. If they didn't, then I've spent
    25 years pissed over nothing.


    RE: Any others?

    Credence Clearwater Revival

    they might have been in traffic with you ! I think that was why they
    didn't proform, they couldn't get there....

    Melanie

    RE: the Band in traffic

    Maybe, since they were locals, they were probably driving over rather
    than flying in by chopper.


    RE: Melanie

    Thank you, Brian. You just reminded me of the benefit to missing Friday.
    I happened across her roller skate song on an oldied station the other
    day. I listened for a minute just to see if I thought it was as bad as I
    remembered it being. It was. Every bit.

    The Band was at Woodstock - or at least they appear on my video of
    "Woodstock - The Lost Performances" for a noce version of "The Weight"

    .43, .44, .46, The Band (including Robbie) *did* perform at Woodstock. 
    In fact, they appear in the recently released video of clips of
    performers who were not included in the original movie.  In Levon's
    book about The Band, "This Wheel's On Fire," he gives an account of
    their Woodstock experience.  Robbie, also, said in an interview that he
    didn't feel they really fit in with the mood of the event.  He said
    they performed between Ten Years After and Johnny Winter, and that they
    felt like "a bunch of preacher boys in a ripped up army of mud people."
    
    re .40, you must've read what Ronnie Hawkins had to say about a young
    Levon Helm in the book "Across The Great Divide, The Band in America." 
    Smirk-smirk.  Or, if you didn't read it, and think Levon was sexy you
    might like to read it.  :-)
    
    Personally, I don't think that Robbie was just "cute" when he was
    young, I think he was just about *the* cutest person I've ever seen -
    in film anyway - i never had the pleasure in person.   Even now, at the
    age of 49, I think he's very attractive.  Besides, he's still thin and
    have all his hair.
    
    Lorna
    
    

And he doesn't program computers, either.

    
>>    re .40, you must've read what Ronnie Hawkins had to say about a young
>>    Levon Helm in the book "Across The Great Divide, The Band in America." 
>>    Smirk-smirk.  Or, if you didn't read it, and think Levon was sexy you
>>    might like to read it.  :-)

	;> nope, i formed that opinion all on my own.  sounds like an
	interesting book, though.  might have to check it out...


	

I'm trying to remember now...

Who is on the Woodstock 2 album?  I remember Mountain, that's all.  Is it a
double album?

Tim

    
    
    	Could somebody supply us with info on that second video,
    "Lost performances" ,who's doing what for how long etc.
     I've never hoid of it.

Was there an "officially" released second movie/video?  There are quite a
few videos available from independent dealers of Woodstock performances
which were not in the movie.  I have one with the Grateful Dead, Janis
Joplin, CCR, and Jefferson Airplane.  The quality isn't all that good which
is why they probably weren't included in the movie (tho J.A. isn't so bad).

    I guess I was wrong about the Band playing Friday with the more acoustic
    of performers. The Airplane is the only "Saturday" act I missed as they
    were last, following the Who. They took to the stage at 7AM Sunday
    morning as I was walking back to the center of White Lake to check up on
    the guys that provided my ride.

re: .57
    
>    of performers. The Airplane is the only "Saturday" act I missed as they
>    were last, following the Who. 

    You didn't miss much.  They sounded pretty anemic after the Who (although
    to be fair, almost any band would).  How 'bout that Saturday lineup tho?!

    Well considering they "peaked" a few hours before it's no wonder.
    They dropped thinking they were going to be going on at a specific
    time but it didn't happen. "Strange scenes inside the goldmine" I'm
    sure.
    
    Jim C.
    

    RE: Woodstock - The Lost Performances
    
    Yes it is an official release. Here's the line-up:
    
    The Band - The Weight
    Joe Cocker - Let's Go Get Stoned
    Canned Heat - Going Up The Country
    Paul Butterfield - Drifting Blues
    Arlo Guthrie - Walking Down The Line
    Blood, Sweat & Tears - More and More
    Country Joe McDonald - Rockin' Around the World
    John Sebastian - Darling Be Home Soon
    Sly & The Family Stone - Love City
    Tim Hardin - If I Were A Carpenter
    Melanie - Birthday Of The Sun
    Joan Baez - We Shall Overcome
    Crosby, Stills & Nash - Marrakesh Express & Blackbird
    Janis Joplin - Work Me Lord
    Richie Havens - Strawberry Fields Forever
    
    The whole video last 69 minutes.
                                   

>    You didn't miss much.  They sounded pretty anemic after the Who (although
>    to be fair, almost any band would).  How 'bout that Saturday lineup tho?!

    After that set by Sly left the place in a state of euphoria, I wasn't up
    for the Who, but as it turned out they did a great preformance of Tommy.
    
    Sat lineup was boffo!

On the video I have, Grace Slick looked like she was either immensely tired
or immensely stoned ;^} ... her performance on "Somebody to Love" was terrible.

     She wasn't tired.....no one was tired.....
    
    Jp
    

But it was around 7 am at the time, right?  ;^)

- dc who knows 7am exists in theory

    The sun was just coming up and hitting the stage when the Who sang
    Tommy -  The sun in their faces as everyone was "getting up"!!!!  It
    felt like a vision :-)

    Yeah, that was a real Kodak moment. Add a little Old Milwalkee and you
    could've said "It just don't get any better'n this".

    Seriously though, with the sky brightening behind them as they performed
    and culminating (as is more often than not) with a beautiful sunrise and
    beams of sunlight washing over the site from behind the stage, it was a
    magical event.

I bet Woodstock '94 will be just as beautiful, too.  Imagine, waking up to
a beautiful morning, the sun shining down, crawling out of your sleeping bag
to the sounds of the first band to take the stage ... "YO, BUST SOME HEADS!!"

    Lets summarize here the REAL info (thru all these notes of crap!):
    
    CONCERTS:
    
    1) Woodstock '94 -- Michael Lang, John Roberts & Joel Rosenman, 3
       of the original 1969 producers, doing this event in conjunction
       with John Scher, President of Polygram Diversified Ventures.
    
       DATES -- August 13th and 14th.  Inked acts include Alice in Chains.
       Aerosmith, GnR, and RHCP are all close to joining in.  LOCATION will
       be 840-acre farm in Saugerties, NY.  Concert will be promoted/geared
       towards "the young, hip" crowd.
    
    
    2) Bethel 94 -- Sid Bernstein, legendary rock promoter, doing this
       event in conjunction with his son, Dylan.
    
       DATES -- August 13th and 14th (both shows are part of the Woodstock
       Music & art Fair).  Inked acts include John Sebastian, Melanie, and
       Richie Havens.  Location will be on Max Yasgur's farm, the site of
       the *original* 1969 Woodstock concert.
    
    
    FACT: Only the Woodstock '94 show has their permits in hand to proceed.
          Bernstein's permits were approved on January 28th, but red tape   
          is delaying their delivery.  For all intents and purposes, the
          Bethel '94 show is really at a stand-still.
    
    FACT: The Woodstock '94 shows will feature all the modernizations of
          the 90s, including video monitors, food markets, political &
          environmental booths, as well as cultural displays from around 
          the globe.
    
    FACT: A&M Records will release the Woodstock '94 soundtrack album this
          Fall.  Hmmm, wonder if the movie and eMpTyV videos will be far
          behind??
    
    
    Buck, who'll pass on both shows, thanks.

    Look! I snarfed the year of the original! Very cosmic.

And in some interpretations of the Bible, the Number of the Beast is not 666
but 616.  Well, isn't that special?

    
    
          I heard Primus will be there also! That will be interesting.
    Waking up to "HERE COME THE BASTARDS". 
    
                 jEFF

    
    Wow - might have to get the pay per view now!  :^)  Primus roolz.

    
    I'd definitely rather watch it on tv. It'll probably rain again. 8-)
    
    -peter

 
    
    My wife and I have a ticket for the Saugerties Woodstock festival
    for sale.  This ticket includes a bus ride to and from the festival.  I
    believe the bus leaves from and returns to Foxboro Stadium.
    
    Departure is 6:00-9:00 AM Friday August 12.
    
    Buses leave the festival beginning on Sunday August 14 at 6:00 PM until
    Monday August 15 at 6:00 PM.  First come- first serve.
    
    If you are interested please contact me at DTN 237-6344 or call my wife
    at home 508-433-8152.
    
    We paid $235.00.
    
    Best offer.

     It will NOT rain !!!! If it does- Im prepared! Look like everyone
    had just as much fun when it was raining!!! at the 69 Woodstock!
    
    4 Days to go!!!! YES!!!!
    
    SueJ
    

    Not me. AFter three hours of standing in the pouring rain that field was
    too ripe for me. I bailed out about mid-afternoon. The prospect of
    staying there in that condition another 24 hours and then having to
    hitch a ride back home was too much. Besides that, the Fish were really
    getting tiresome.

    But have fun at this one. Hope you hear much good music.

    --Ron

   Mario DiMare                                 CONTACT: Lynne Kenison   
   DTN 267-5268 (Do NOT call)                            (508)433-5625
    
   For Sale:	Two tickets to Woodstock '94 at Saugerties, NY

		August 12, 13, & 14

		Show starts Friday afternoon and ends midnight Sunday

		Bands performing on North and South stages

   Asking:	CHEAP$$$

		Call Lynne at (508) 433-5625 for more information.
    

    
    	The ticket for sale if 616.74 has been sold.
    
    	

    
    
    
    	78 replies and still not a word about who is playing???
    

    Check out http://metaverse.com/woodstock/index.html.
    
    There is a good amount of info on who is playing, trivia, etc..
    
    Jim C.
    

    
    	I understand there a BBS out there somewhere with info on Woodstock
    '94. Does anyone have their dial-in number? (I need it ASAP...)
    
    
    
    Brad
    

    That number is 212-ROK-1994
    
    
    Have fun trying to get through.....
    
    SueJ

    re: .79 

Friday August 12th:

Candlebox
Collective Soul
Sheryl crow
James
King's X
Live
Orleans
Todd Rungren
The Violent Femmes


Saturday August 13th:

North Stage:

Joe Cocker
Blind Melon
Cypress Hill
Henry Rollins Band
Melissa Etheridge
Crosby, Stills & Nash
Nine Inch Nails
Metallica
Aerosmith

South Stage:

The Cranberries
Zucchero
Youssou n' Dour
The Band
Primus
Salt n.' Pepa

Sunday August 14th:

North Stage:

Sisters of Glory(featuring Thelma Houston, CeCe Peniston, Phoebe Snow, Mavis
Staples and Lois Walden)
Arrested Development
Allman Brothers Band 
Traffic
Spin Doctors
Porno For Pyros
Bob Dylan
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Peter Gabriel

South Stage:

W.O.M.A.D.(featuring Xalem, The Justin Trio, Geoffry Oryema and Hassan
Hakmoun)
Green Day
Neville Brothers
Paul Rodgers' "Rock + Blues Review"
Santana
Jimmy ClifFs Reggae Jam (featuring Rita Marley, Diana King, Worl-A-Girl, Toots
and Eek-A-Mouse)

    
    

    re: -1
    
    There is also a rumor that Bob Weir, Roger McGuinn, Richard Thompson, Rob
    Wasserman and Mary Chapin Carpenter will be joining The Band on stage
    for their set. (The tentive name for this band is "The New Waltz")

    
    Maybe I'm stuck in the 60's ....but, 
    
    -Ya gotta park 20 miles away and get in line for a bus to the site...... 
    -Ya can't bring in food.....
    -Ya can't bring in drink....
    -Ya can bring a tent, but NO tent spikes (plastic or metal)...weapons!
    -Ya have to 'buy' woodstock script, no US dollars ???
    -You can only leave and return once....!
    -They WILL use metal detectors..........
    -They will use drug sniffin dogs !
    -There are 900 hired security guards inside, 500 police outside !
     
    YOU WILL BEHAVE, YOU WILL ENJOY....gimmee a break......
    
    I can just see one of these 'rent a cops' getting carried away with his
    new authority.....and getting stuck with a smuggled in flair pen !
    
    FREEDOM........sing it Richie.....Free at last....
    
    What a long way from '69....major progress.........NOT ! NO WAY !
    
    As I said before, this is not woodstock anything, this is Big brothers
    1994 money making attempt at a totally controled outing, with some
    music.........WoW, and only $270 a couple for all this........
    
    FREEDOM................
    
    And, if you are still concerned that there might be hassles or rain,
    or mud, or insects (Yech)....for only $49.95 you can have it piped
    into your living room......God bless HBO !
    
    We went down to Max's farm, a half a million strong........and that
    event sent a message.........
    
    This yadda hoo is a weekend weenie theme park......
    
    I think I'll pass.....
    
    I feel better already !
    
    
    Jp
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
    	"I feel better already!"
    
    		or even "bitter"
    
    
    				

    Something interesting I heard in one of the myriad reports on this
    event.  Apparently, the acts for Woodstock '94 were chosen on the basis
    of marketing research.  In one particular case, the organizers were NOT
    going to have CS&N on the bill, but CS&N 'tested' so well that the
    organizers changed their mind (and conversely, other acts they were
    originally thinking about tested poorly and were scratched).
    
    Hey, I wonder if I can buy stock...
    

    
    re .85
    
    I can't agree more.  The more I hear about the hideous rules and
    regulations, the more I'm SO GLAD that I didn't bother to get a 
    ticket.
    
    If the cops are friendly, helpful, and treat the crowd with respect,
    then I think everyone will have a great time and they're will be no
    problems... unfortunatly, I'll be suprised if that happens.
    
    -Steve
    

    Re .86
    
    No, better....for sure. Nothing to be bitter about, it is what it is.
    
    My only annoyance is with the use of, and attempt to capitalize on
    the "aura" of another time and place.
    
    I wish them all well (Hmmmm), but it does reek of "1984", and certainly
    not what "youth n energy N freedom of expression" are all about.
    
    Like I said, I'm still stuck back in my own "ideal era"............
    
    Maybe this event does reflect who "we" are today ?????
    
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    
    
    Jp
    

    From some of the newspaper reports, info on the WWW, etc. it sounded 
    like Woodstock would almost be, as stated earlier in this notes file, 
    like the beginning of a "1984" controlled society. 
    
    According to one of the DJ's from WBCN (who is at Woodstock), he is
    saying it is great there even though there are plenty of controls. 
    He said lots of contraband was smuggled in, so there is plenty 
    of good music, booze, drugs and topless/naked bodies there. (Doesn't 
    sound that bad:-))
    
    Hopefully on Monday someone can give us some first hand info on the
    concert and how good/bad it really was there. 
    

	I watched a good part of it during the weekend. It's a long trip
	from Denmark to Woodstock, so I trusted the local cable, and
	with my 29" TV screen, together with a good quality stereo sig-
	nal on my 2X150W hifi, I was almost there in person! And most of
	what I saw was very good...I did the following observations:

		* Joe Cocker opened the show very well

		* Just as he was in the beginning of his amazing
		  version of 'Summer In The City', a bitch started
		  babbling all over the music and they started to show
		  something from the other stage, then got back just
		  when he finished the song. *#@!!

		* There were some annoying swedish commentators throug-
		  out the weekend, waiting for every possible moment to
		  come up with some idiotic comments

		* Crosby, Stills & Nash were very, VERY GOOD! An absolute
		  top performance!!!

		* Allman Brothers were also FABULOUS! What a guitar show!

		* A young man took a good bite of his girlfriend's naked
		  breast during the Allman Brs. show

		* Spin Doctors were good, but lead guitarist could do
		  with a better sound - and all their songs just sounded
		  too much the same

		* Traffic were good - but Stevie Winwood should keep to
		  his keyboards instead of trying to do an EC duplicate

		* After the show with american gospel, I can now say that
		  I fullhearted and completely dislike this sort of music

	I have a lot more on tape, looking forward to go through it the
	next days...

	Poul

    
    My favorite preformances were Joe Cocker, Blind Melon, NIN, Metallica
    (who I felt did the best), Aerosmith, those Gospel singers Sunday AM,
    Green Day, and a bunch of others I can't remember.
    
    The Band did well but man were they boring!
    
    -prc

-----> Monday, August 15, 1994 <-----

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  From New York, we don't get headaches - we cause them, it's the Late
Show with David Letterman.  Tonight - Tom Arnold, Alex Trebek, and
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now, a pile of old clothes brought to life by lightning, David Letterman.

=========================================
Top Ten Things Overheard At Woodstock '94
=========================================

10.  "It's cool how David Crosby can sing with a mouthful of pop-tarts"

 9.  "Hey, you 300,000 kids get out of my yard!"

 8.  "Check out Al Sharpton's tie dyed jogging suit"

 7.  "There's somehting familiar about that old naked guy covered in
     oatmeal -- oh my God, it's Wilford Brimley!"

 6.  "Looks like Letterman's hair is having a bad trip"

 5.  "It's a three day festival of peace, love and ... Hey, which one
     of you mud covered bastards stole my bank card?"

 4.  "Aren't you the guy who took a leak on my tent back in '69?"

 3.  "Run for your lives -- Rush Limbaugh's in the mosh pit!"

 2.  "This must be bad acid!  I could've sworn you said Lisa Marie
     Presley married Michael Jackson!"

 1.  "This place is crawlin' with mud dorks"

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    	Well, I was there, and though I could write a book about my
    experience, I'll just make a few comments...

    	Those of you who've been bitching about a "1984"-style Woodstock 
    can relax... everything you heard about rules & security was total
    bull***t. There was no security at all. Plenty of cops out front
    but they were just directing traffic. All this crap about tent spikes
    and drug-sniffing dogs was a scam.

    	We got there Friday around 4:00. There were metal detectors in
    the parking lot, but no one used them-- they weren't even plugged in.
    No one checked our bags for drugs or booze, let alone tent spikes.

    	Security was even more lax at the festival site. One woman at
    the gate sat there and just made sure we had wristbands on. By
    Saturday, even this minor check was gone. No on at the gate at all.

    	People were leaving the site in droves to walk down to the
    local package stores & bringing back cases of beer; as a result,
    it was like camping with Bevis & Butthead. Drunken obnoxious fools
    everywhere.
    
    	From the beginning, it looked like people had pithced their tents
    everywhere and anywhere they liked... there was no Woodstock staff to
    organize the tent-pitching or to ensure that pathways were left open.
    As a result, to make your way across the grounds, particularly in
    the North (Main) Stage area, you had to walk tip-toe just to squeeze
    between the tents.
    
    	
    	Personally, I wish there *had* been all the security measures
    people were complaining about. I went there strictly for the music,
    to see all the great bands playing there. And that was mighty difficult
    with all the obnoxious beer-guzzlers, the maze of tents, and of course
    the mud. You can keep your chaos (which I'm convinced was "manufactured
    chaos" by the promoters), all I care about is the music.
    
    	Still, it was an adventure & I don't regret going.
    
    
    
    Brad
    

    Brad, if you kept your ticket you might be able to get a refund.
    
    I heard on the radio that MANY folks who bought tickets were turned
    away by the cops for traffic reasons or something.
    
    The Woodstock promoters said "Sorry, no refunds because we allowed
    people to keep their whole ticket stubs and thus have no way of knowing
    who got in and who didn't."
    
    Apparently the state of NY is likely to take the position: "Tough shit,
    the insufficient traffic planning is YOUR fault and you are liable for
    that, the fact that you didn't bother to have measures that EVERY other
    concert has such as  people tearing ticket stubs doesn't absolve you of
    your liability and the burden of proof is not on your customers."
    
    I may be reading something into what was actually said, but that's the
    impression I was left with.
    
    So anyone who bothered to keep their ticket stub is probably capable of
    getting a complete refund.
    
    Now if I had actually made it in, I'd be going for a refund anyway
    given how they totally blew all the security and planning and all that.
    I'd have no problem sleeping at night.

    Did anyone hear about Aerosmith's manager Tim Collins getting
    punched by one of the promoters and then Aerosmiths roadies+bodyguards
    beating the H*LL out of the promoter ?
    

    
    re: db
    
    	Well, I certainly wouldn't say no to a refund, but the fact is, we
    had our *entire* tickets confiscated before we boarded the bus. Just
    another Woodstock inconsistancy... some people had their whole tickets,
    others had stubs, and all we got were lousy wristbands. Personally, I
    would have loved to keep my ticket stub for a keepsake, but they made
    us hand them over. I do still have the wristband, though.
    
    
    	As far as violence, backstage or not, I didn't see or hear any
    fights, thank god. 
    
    
    
    Brad
    

         <<< Note 616.96 by SALEM::TAYLOR_J "Pickin' and a grinnin'" >>>
>    Did anyone hear about Aerosmith's manager Tim Collins getting
>    punched by one of the promoters and then Aerosmiths roadies+bodyguards
>    beating the H*LL out of the promoter ?
    
From what I understand (Bost. Glob) Aerosmith was upset that they couldn't do 
certain  things (stage props/lights and effects etc) and their Mgr (named 
above) was pissed that Metallica was allowed to do all of this (including
fireworks and pyrotechnics on stage).  A scuffle then started with John Scher 
over this...The Aeorsmith mgr ended up punching Scher in the face and others 
(fuzzy here) broke it up...Scher got punched once according to the Globe.

that's what I read in last weeks Globe.

bob

    All I want to know is whether Robbie Robertson appeared with The Band
    as rumored beforehand.

    nope

    THe sound on the PPV was excellent.   But I was very disappointed that
    the last act, Peter Gabriel, was almost completely pre-empted in favor
    of tape-delay of earlier acts like Santana and Jimmy Cliff.  When they
    finally cut to PG, he was into Sledgehammer, and his encores, Secret
    World, and Biko.   So what happened?   90 minutes of RHCP, and 20
    minutes of Peter Gabriel?  I haven't heard anythin about this in the
    press.   -Brian

  >  Now if I had actually made it in, I'd be going for a refund anyway
  >  given how they totally blew all the security and planning and all that.
  >  I'd have no problem sleeping at night.

Yankee ethics continue to amaze me.

josh

    > I was very disappointed that
    > the last act, Peter Gabriel, was almost completely pre-empted in favor
    > of tape-delay of earlier acts like Santana and Jimmy Cliff.
    
    Considering that the PPV showed complete sets by just about every
    main-stage act, I doubt that it was PPV's choice not to show the
    Gabriel set.  The only explanations I can come up with are either there
    was a technical problem or maybe some contractual thing (since Gabriel
    has a live videotape coming out in the next couple of months, which is
    also going to be shown on the Disney Channel) that prevented the whole
    set being shown.  They didn't even show any of it on the overnight
    broadcast (which is when they generally played catch-up with missed
    main-stage acts).  I haven't seen or heard an explanation anywhere...
    
    				- Paul

    Regarding PPV not having license to show entire Gabriel performance,
    that's a distinct possibility.

>  >  Now if I had actually made it in, I'd be going for a refund anyway
>  >  given how they totally blew all the security and planning and all that.
>  >  I'd have no problem sleeping at night.

>Yankee ethics continue to amaze me.

    Josh,
    
    Are you referring to my ethics, or the ethics of the promoters?

    This conference never ceases to amaze me.  Many of you noters are so
    negative!  Sometimes this conference isn't about MUSIC, it's just
    another way to blow steam! JEEEEZ!   Don't think I've ever written in
    here but you got a rise outta me this time.  I was at Woodstock, I
    worked at Woodstock, and I've been involved with transportation
    planning for the event since around March.  I was fortunate enough to
    work backstage Saturday for 4 hours. There's 105 replies to this note
    and around 95 of them are about how bad Woodstock is going to suck! 
    Then maybe 2-3 people write in about PPV and a couple write in who
    actually went. It's amazing how many opinions people have when they
    haven't even got a CLUE!  Has everyone forgotten the definition of
    "credibility"?
    
    380,000 people got together for 3 friggin' awesome days and nites of
    music!  We ALL got along, considering the lack of security (which was
    great because we could smoke dope and bring in all the booze we
    wanted), no shower facilities, lots of mud, 45 minute lines for food
    and NO bathroom facilites after Saturday morning.   There were 18
    arrests the whole weekend.  18! and 14 of them were outside the
    gates...1/2 of those were for DWI.  The most serious arrest was becuz
    some guy slashed another across the face with a knife.  I NEVER once
    the whole weekend saw a fight, or heard someone BARK at someone else
    for pushing or shoving or splashing mud.  Everybody got along and was
    peaceful and respectful to each other.  I think that says a lot for our
    generation!  Especially when we live in such a violent society. Many of
    the performers said they were surprised that our generation would put
    up with the conditions we endured.  When they did it in '69, it was a
    given (I guess). And whatever scuttle-butt Aerosmith had back stage,
    must've put some fire in their britches becuz they put on one hell of a
    kick-ass rock'n'roll performance....followed by 1/2 hour of some of the
    greatest fireworks I've ever seen.  That ended our Saturday at 3:30 
    Sunday morning.
    
    The medical team did an incredible job too!  They handed out 2000 pair
    of crutches and 12,000 band-aids....all free of charge.  Everyone was a
    volunteer.  The 2 people that died, died of pre-existing medical
    conditions.  I heard about 2 births, and a rape but none of the papers
    confirm it.
    
    I *DO* sympathize with the many who were ticket holders and didn't get
    in.  That sucks.  The "peace patrol" dropped the ball in a huge way and
    I think that Ticket Master will point their fingers and noone will get
    a refund.  Woodstock was supposed to hire 3000 "security people" for
    the colored lots and for entrance security.  For some reason they only
    hired 1200, and 300 quit on the first day (Friday).  So they had no
    choice but to take the remaining 900 and put them to work in the most
    critical areas. When the state police declared the area 'state of
    emergency' Sunday morning, they took over the traffic, parking lots,
    and tranportation problems.
    
    Woodstock '94 was great! And it didn't have anything to do with Woodstock
    '69!  And yes it was a marketeer's dream to make a mint.  What concert
    event isn't! We created our own Woodstock in '94, our own experience,
    and I'm proud to say that I was part of it!  It was an experience of a
    lifetime.
    

    Hey Kel, How do you REALLY feel?
    
    ;-)  ;-),
    Ken (who would have loved to have been there, but was being a
    responsible family-type person for the weekend, despite being in the
    vicinity)
    

    re .106
    Nicely put, and yes everyone collectively did ok under those
    conditions. It wasn't Woodstock, it was Generation X's 1994 weekend of 
    music in the woods.
    
    The credit should NOT go to Pepsi, or any of the vendors....the concert
    went well....and the PEOPLE deserve the credit for the historical mark
    made.
    
    And you're right...ticket Master won't refund anything.....HBO made a
    mint, MTV scored too (however foolish their onsight staff was !) and
    300K people have a memory to hang on to forever...as do we who did
    1969.
    
    Most interesting was the interactive coverage from the WELL on the WWW.
    
    Jp
    

    hey ken! *YOU* have time to play in the notes files?
    yes, you know me....the quiet, reserved type.  HA!
    
    i didn't see NIN but the newspaper i bought (Poughkeepsie News) HATED
    'em....they said that the crowd hated 'em too.
    
    /kel
    

    	Well, I don't want to get into a big debate over Woodstock '94,
    but since I was there, let me expand on my previous reply.

    	I agree that it's a shame so many of the replies in this string
    have been negative. It irks me that so many people bitched about all
    the security measures-- I bet the same folks would be bitching now
    about the horrible conditions if they had attended the show.

    	But no way am I willing to declare Woodstock '94 a resounding
    success. 

    	I won't complain about the over-priced food, the stench of porta-
    sans, the poorly designed water stations, or the fact that we were
    bounced between 3 different parking lots because of poor planning.
    Those things are bound to happen, I suppose, and I can live with that.

    	But there is *no* excuse for the lack of security. Sure, maybe
    you think it's great that everyone could bring in drugs and booze
    at will, but I didn't appreciate all the drunken a**holes with their
    "Show Us Your Tits" signs, harassing all the women walking by. These
    idiots were everywhere, and they were extremely rude and insulting. 
    Tell me what statement that makes about our generation...

    	Even when we got there on Friday, people had set their tents up
    any damn place they wanted, making it impossible to walk anywhere.
    If that wasn't bad enough, people started putting ropes and string
    between their tents to keep you from being able to walk thru. Yeah,
    there's the spirit of cooperation for you.

    	And the garbage... unbelievable! This was supposed to be an
    environmentally-aware Woodstock. What a joke. I think I saw a total
    of 4 trash barrels the whole time I was there. People had no choice
    but to dump trash everywhere. Not that anyone seemed to care. They
    happily tossed their garbage wherever they felt like it.

    	And the crowds down front... We got up early morning and gently
    made our way to the front of the main stage and patiently waited there
    for hours with all the other nice folks. Of course, as soon as Joe
    Cocker hit the stage, every weenie in the place thought they'd squish
    down front and shove the decent folks out of the way so they could get 
    their own view. This always seems to happen at concerts without "assigned
    seating", but when there's 300,000 in the place, it's a wee more
    intense.

    	In short, I didn't see any displays of cooperation or working
    together. All I saw was "I want *my* beer, I want *my* view in front
    of the stage, and this is *my* space-- don't f**k with it." 

    	It disgusts me that in this day in age, with all the attention
    paid to Ecology and the environment, and to sexual harassment, that
    so many people just don't care... or have a clue. We should be ashamed.
    I'm no Greenpeace do-gooder or a Politically Correct mush-mouth, but
    what's so difficult about picking up your trash and not insulting
    other people?

    	If they had enacted even half of the security they talked about, 
    they could have curtailed most of this. The alcohol consumption would
    have been lowered (which I dare say would have been better for
    everybody), the placement of tents would have been sensible and you
    might have actually been able to walk somewhere without it taking all
    day, and my $270 worth of tickets might have actually been worth
    something, instead of making us feel like *we* were ripped off because 
    they let every Tom , Dick & Harry walk in unattended.
    
    	I must say that the music was fantastic. All the bands seemed to 
    perform at their best and the sound was excellent, and it looked great...
    if you could see it. It wasn't worth the hassle of suffocating at the 
    front and dodging obnoxious mud people. The best time I had was up at
    the "surreal field", away from the massive crowds and mud, listing to
    Todd Rundgren's performance. When the "Woodstock '94" album and video 
    comes out, I will highly recommend it to everyone, because the concert 
    was great, musically.
    
    	And that's why I went... for the music. Not to create some kind
    of "Woodstock experience" for my generation, not to buy T-Shirts, not
    to drink beer, not to slide in the mud. I went strictly for the great
    line-up of artists. Unfortunately, many concert-goers seemed more
    intent on selfishly creating their own spectacle than watching the far
    more interesting performances on stage. 
    
    
    
    Brad

    re: .106
    
    Another sign of the times... Woodstock 94 even has it's own spin
    doctors.
    
    I wasn't there myself but the report I get from ALL my friends who were
    there was a lot more like Brad's then yours.
    
    	db

    I still think Prince was better than Elvis
    

    I spent yesterday afternoon with a group of people where I was the ONLY
    one that was NOT at Woodstock'94, mostly looking at 7 rolls of film
    that were shot at Woodstock'94 and discussing their mutual observations
    on it all.  They were all quite positive, but one person had an
    insightful comment to the effect of "If you went there with the
    attitude that anything could, and probably would happen, and were
    willing to roll with it, you enjoyed things.  If you went there with
    the attitude that you had just spent $135/ticket and expected the kind
    of attention, comfort, security, and accessability of a 'normal'
    concert event, then you would be sorely disappointed."
    
    I don't know, I wasn't there, but having heard all of their stories, I
    wish that I was.
    
    Cheers,
    Ken
    

    
    	I never went expecting a clean orderly event, like I was going
    to Great Woods or something. I expected it to be pretty crazy. I like
    a good, nutty, energetic crowd, but this was something else.
    
    	If I could have shimmied up a tree and had a half-decent view of
    the show from a distance, I would have been happy. But like I said,
    I went *only* for the music, and unfortunately, there just wasn't
    enough opportunity to experience the music. Pay-per-view was probably
    a better way to experience the music.
    
    	That being said, I DON'T regret going. It was an adventure and
    an experience worth talking about!
    
    
    Brad
    

   re: .106

   If you think it was "GREAT" that you "only" had face slashings, rapes,
   deaths, and had the opportunity to "smoke dope", I can only be glad you
   don't go to any of *my* band's concerts.

   I'm 34 years old, and have seen a lot of stuff, including the recent
   Pink Floyd concert in San Diego.  (Now there was a well organized event,
   even though they refused to let me bring in a plastic bottle of Evian
   water, but were selling beer inside...  %-})  I even went to the first
   Lalapalooza (where they trashed the lawn at Great Woods).  I absolutely
   hate it when I have to force my way to the front to see a concert.  Worst
   case of that was a Lyle Lovett ("And His Large Band") and Ziggy Marley
   show up in Manchester, NH a few years ago, where we had (supposedly)
   assigned seating, my wife and I had 3rd row seats, and still couldn't see
   the concert due to all the "twirley" dancers (read Deadhead wannabes) they
   let in front of the 1st row/stage.  A little security and "coolness" of the
   crowd is *not* a bad thing.  (Watching the kid get chased by security when
   he lit up a joint next to the "wrong" over 40 type was pretty entertaining,
   though...  :-))

   db, it's one of the few times I agree with you.  :-)

   -- Sam
   

     anyone out there have a band/song listing of the CD that
     was released today?  might save me a trip to the store...

     tx/brian