Conference mr1pst::music

    

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Note 352.15                       Mariah Carey                          15 of 29
RAGMOP::T_PARMENTER "Bronca total"                    4 lines  21-JAN-1993 08:42
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    The screech is treated like a trademark, stuck into every song.  I
    don't even care much for real sopranos, but what she does sounds more
    like a falsetto trick than a real part of her natural voice, somewhat
    reminiscent of Jayne Mansfield's work in "The Girl Can't Help It".

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Note 352.24                       Mariah Carey                          24 of 29
RAGMOP::T_PARMENTER "Bronca total"                   15 lines  22-JAN-1993 08:59
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    This reminds me of people and their attitude about dogs.
    
    Some say, "I hate dogs.  They're always coming up to you and licking
    you and jumping on you and asking to be taken out for a walk."
    
    Others say, "I love dogs.  They're always coming up to you and licking
    you and jumping on you and asking to be taken out for a walk."
    
    I don't see that we need to have one note where people say, "Oh her
    range is marvelous.  I love the way she hits that high note," and a
    completely separate note where other people say, "Well, her range is
    technically impressive, but it makes my fillings hurt when she hits
    that high note."
    
    Mariah Carey has made her bed, let her sleep in it.

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Note 352.25                       Mariah Carey                          25 of 29
RAGMOP::T_PARMENTER "Bronca total"                    6 lines  22-JAN-1993 09:08
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    From 352.1: 
    
    Mariah Carey "puts more emotion into her vocals than any other
    female pop star I can think of."
    
    
    

    Just think, if Mariah had been around in 1967 the Beatles could have
    tagged on a screech to the end of Sgt. Pepper instead of a dog whistle

    Actually, why don't we talk about the current trend of the record
    companies encouraging the careers of many people who "oversing"
    virtually every song? Who, you ask? Well, how 'bout;
    
    Michael I'm-passing-an-entire-loaf-of-French-bread-at-once Bolton
    (especially his awful version of the Percy Sledge song, "When A Man
    Loves A Woman").
    
    Mariah Carey, who has incredible range, good looks, etc., but
    constantly adds trills, squeals, etc., that (IMHO) cheapen her talent.
    
    Whitney Houston, ditto above.
    
    I'm sure there are more.................
    
    Bill

    Mariah Carey is very young and pretty new at all this. All this
    recognition came in response to her first record (ever to my knowledge).
    Her abilities will mature with time. So I cut her some slack for
    inexperience.

    Whitney Houston, on the other hand, I don't think will ever change much.
    I don't care for her approach to sing at all. Poor to no use of
    dynamics.

    Record companies are just big businesses. They push the careers of
    anyone that they think can make records that appeal to vast
    numbers of people.

    --Ron

    Ron:
    
    >Whitney Houston, on the other hand, I don't think will ever change much.
    >I don't care for her approach to sing at all. Poor to no use of
    >dynamics.
    
    I would disagree with this; her music uses dynamics very much,
    particularly this last single that is getting played to death....the
    one from the 'Bodyguard' film. Whether or not you like it, it is
    very dynamic.
    
    -roger
    
    
                                                                    

    
    RE: .5
    
     I have to disagree on your statement about Whitney. Imo, her 
    latest tune has zero dynamics - it's like turning the faucet on full 
    blast and letting it run wide open for 5 minutes.  She's got 
    about as much emotion in her music as a stainless steel pot. 
    
     Her popularity really stymies me.  I find myself liking & disliking
    Mariah Carey.  She can obviously sing quite well, and she has much 
    more emotion and feeling to her singing than Whitney.
    
     I just find the high pitched vocals unecessary, they don't add any
    value to her music imo.
     
    Lv

    Re: last two 
    
    The best Whitney Houston track I've ever heard is on the Material album
    "One Down".  I forget the title, but it's a ballad pairing Whitney with
    saxophonist Archie Shepp.  Long before she was a star, just another
    anonymous (but talented) session singer.
    
    Whintey fans might wanna skip searching this one out, since most of the
    other stuff is typical Material: abrasive, noisy avant jazz/funk.
    
    							Brian

    One day maybe someone can explain Kate Bush to me, then, eh?
    \Gary

    Dave Barry (?is that his name) just finished running a contest on "the
    worst song ever".  His column, which appeared in last Sat/Sun Herald
    Tribune was absolutely hilarious.  His reader's overwhelmingly selected
    as the worse song ever "MacArthur Park".  One of the runners up that I
    remember was Paul Anka singing "Having My Baby".  Actually almost all
    his "worsts" which I recognised were really awful (IMO) songs.  I think
    Mariah Carey was mentioned in the article but, from what I have read
    here, she is not the type of artist I would normally listen to so I
    don't even know if I've ever heard her.  Do they play her on "Energie"?
    
    He said there were many other "worst evers" nominated that definitely
    deserved the award but they were so bad that they never became popular
    enough to win the disclaim they deserve :-)
    
    ccb

    RE: Whitney Houston on Material's "One Down"
    
    I absolutely agree.  I've mentioned this cut numerous time in this and
    other Notes conferences.  The song is Hugh (Soft Machine) Hopper's
    "Memories" - also recorded by Robert Wyatt/Soft Machine.
    
    This was first thing I ever heard by Whitney Houston, and I waited
    patiently (in vain) to hear anything by her that even remotely 
    approached it.
    
    - Dave

    I hate the way her singing sounds, and I hate all the songs that by her
    that I've ever heard.  
    
    Also, regarding her looks, although I agree she's reasonably
    attractive, I think she dresses and looks like a slut.  
    
    Just my personal opinion.  :-)   We can't like everybody, can we?
    
    
    Lorna
    

>    Also, regarding her looks, although I agree she's reasonably
>    attractive, I think she dresses and looks like a slut.  
    
Chris Robinson is *very* modest, though.

;^)

- Dave

    re .12, Chris Robinson is hot.  :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    re .11........that was the most hilarious thing i've read all day.....!
    ........thanks.........................................../k

>    Also, regarding her looks, although I agree she's reasonably
>    attractive, I think she dresses and looks like a slut.  
    
    What's your point?
    
    Dave

    re .12
    
    Thanks!!!! I almost fell off my chair reading that!!!