Conference mr1pst::music

    Mod here - changed title to "Guns and Roses" since they didn't have a
    note yet in this version of the conference.
    
    Brian

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Subject: Guns N' Roses cancels when Axl threatened with arrest
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:52:30 GMT
  
	CHICAGO (UPI) -- The Los Angeles rock group Guns N' Roses abruptly
canceled a concert Friday night and left town just ahead of the sheriff
when it was learned lead singer Axl Rose would be arrested in connection
with a riot in St. Louis last July, a spokesman said.
	Shortly before showtime at the 18,000-seat Rosemont Horizon Arena,
the promoter warned Guns N' Roses that officers from the Cook County
Sheriffs Department were going to arrest Rose and extradite him to St.
Louis on a $100,000 bench warrant on four misdemeanor charges stemming
from a riot last July at the Riverport Performing Arts Center.
	Rather than go to jail, Rose left the sheriff's jurisdiction.
	``It's unusual, to say the least, for anyone to be extradited over
misdemeanor charges,'' said a spokesman for GNR Management. ``It smacks
of celebrity persecution. We understood they planned to arrest Axl
imminently, thus preventing the show anyway. We apologize to the fans
for this and hope they will understand when they hear what we were up
against.''
	The announcement was made at 7 p.m. Chicago time, just a half-hour
before the doors were to open. The GNR spokesman said fans dispersed
peacefully, and tickets will be refunded on Monday.
	According to Geffen Records in Los Angeles, shows scheduled Monday
and Tuesday at the Palace of Auburn Hills in Auburn Hills, Mich., are
also canceled.
	On July 2, rioting erupted in St. Louis after Rose leaped into the
audience and allegedly attacked a fan who was attempting to take a
photograph of the flamboyant rocker. The band walked off the stage, and
rioting fans trashed the band's equipment, forcing the cancelation of
the next two stops on the tour.
	Six days later, the band was in Dallas for its first show since the
riot when the fan filed charges against Rose in St. Louis.
	The next night, Rose interrupted a Dallas concert after a fan threw
an empty whiskey bottle on the stage and lectured the crowd about
responsibility and safety.
	One day later, July 10, promoters of the St. Louis show filed suit
against the band, claiming its actions led to the riot, in which 75
people were injured. The band blamed poor security at the arena.
	On July 30, Rose threw a tantrum and threatened to cancel a concert
at the Forum in Inglewood, Calif., after a police officer issued a
ticket to the driver of the group's limousine. Police said the ticket
was taken back to prevent a riot.
	The band's spokesman did not say where Rose and the other band
members went.

    
    .......hope they fry his ignorant ass......
    
    hornet

    Well, I hate his voice... finger nails on a chalk-board as I've said
    before.
    
    I hate his "look"... he's a total slob.
    
    I hate his attitude... he's as arrogant an SOB as I've ever seen.
    
    In short I don't like anything about him, *but*:
    
    I hate swaggering, authortarian, "you listenin' to me boy?"
    slug-with-a-badge, sheriff types even worse.
    
    So, in this case, I'm rootin' for Axl.
    
    Brian

So he's supposed to go to jail for some promoter's lousy security.

I initially thought that Axl that was responsible for the mess/riot...

I believe that security was responsible for the problem in St Louis.  Axl may
have not shown the best judgement but the riot started due to lax security and
then the crowd trashed their equipment, so they had no choice but to leave.

There was an article on this in Rolling Stone last summer.  It isn't a given
that Axl was at fault even though it may appear to be that way.

Tim

    The incident and occurances at St. Louis were in violation of GnR's
    performance contract.  That noted, tyhe band can't be cited for 
    "walking off stage", which sparked the riot.  Also, if and when the
    riot started, how come security couldn't keep crowd control??
    
    FWIW, the buzz in the concert promotions biz is that GnR is still rocks
    hottest ticket (sorry, they gross far more financially than even U2! 
    [all doubters, see the stats published weekly in Amusement Businezz
    magazine!!]), and every house in the country is backing GnR on this
    issue, citing "we'd book them in a second".  Everyone, except St. Louis
    (of course).

    and as a PS "fwiw" ... a friend of mine works concert security for  all
    the major rock shows in St. Louis, and she reports that far before the
    GnR show in question, there have been many incidents at rocks shows in
    St. Louis.  In fact, before the riot, the city was seriously
    considering a ban on the booking of these shows, as there are always a
    few serious incidents which occur at each show.  Warrant and Skid Row
    concerts were cited by this security guards as "working nightmares".
    
    Will be interesting to see what the future holds for rock shows in St.
    Louis, MO.
    
    B.

    Hi Buck,

    Thanks for reminding me. I was trying to think of the name of that band
    that I loathe so much. Warrent. Yeck!

    But regarding GnR, is walking off the stage what the authorities are
    considering started the ruckus? Or did Axl do something more
    provocative. Wasn't there something about somebody taking a picture?

    --Ron

I think there were disruptive people in the front that security refused to
quiet down/remove.   Axl asked several times for security to do something about
them and security did nothing.  I believe that the people were causing a lot of
trouble and Axl didn't feel comfortable with them there.

Not hard to understand after seeing some of the people I've sat next to.

Hey Buck remember the guys in front of us at GnR???

Tim

    
    
       All I have to say is the singer can't sing and rest of the band
     should due there best to find a real singer...

    ...all i have to say is that if you don't like G & R or Axl's voice...
    then don't listen or buy their stuff or attend their shows....../k

    Though I think Axl and Slash are jerks, the band is VERY hot.  All this
    "bad boy" bullsh*t is hard to folter out sometimes, but if you can,
    this band is a monster !
    
    Jerry

	Ditto - to what .12 said.

	Some people might get their wish Axl is seriously considering joining
	forces with Liza following how well they hit it off at the Concert for 
	Life.  They've yet to agree upon a name for themselves.

	- Jim
	

    They are(IMHO)the leadin Edge of Street Rock&Roll.
    
                             Crazy_Nuff_Said_Al

    RE: .11 USOPS::OCONNELL
    
    If your opinions read as good as your prose...
    

>       All I have to say is the singer can't sing and rest of the band
>     should due there best to find a real singer...

I think one reason Axl "can't sing" is that the band does a real live show
and doesn't use backing tapes.  Sometimes his voice gets rough, but it is a
real performance.  I still prefer to hear sour/wrong notes than a backing
tape.

Tim

Don't like guns at all, but like roses (mainly white ones).
The mixture of both is quite noisy, means could blow up my mind, but..
The song from the 'BOND'-film is quite good, and there is a well known song
(quite and slow and very long , guess about 8 min.) always played in a video
on TV but ... damn ... can't remember the Titel's name ...
Someone who knows ...

axel

    RE: title..."Patience"?
    
    K.C. who likes guns, likes roses, but hates 'em together!

Nope, November Rain

The one with the wedding and the funeral right?

Tim

Live and let die, from the eponymous movie.

Didier

    HEllo,
    
       I've seen today that G'n'R and Metallica have postponed their
    Foxboro concert til Friday 11th September.
    
    I will be in the area on that date on holiday, and would love to see
    this show. Does anyone has three tickets they want to sell. I dont know
    if Foxboro has standing/Pitch tickets but they would be superb.
    
    If anyone knowsa anything please amil or call me.
    
    
    Thanks
    
    
    Mark James
    
    Mail: KERNEL::JAMESM
    DTN: 833 3597
    
    

    I heard on the radio that the reason was that Axl Rose was suffering
    from strained vocal cords.
    
    Two questions come to mind...
    
    1. How would anyone notice?
    
    2. Is God punishing him for making us suffer from his vocal chords all
    these years?
    
    Mark.

    GnR are my next entry in the I just don't get it note. I listened to one
    of their "ballads" on the radio last night thinking "OK, I'll give 'em
    another chance". Sheesh, they shoulda cancelled that recording session
    too.

    If you can look past all the hype and publicity and *listen* to the
    music, they're a very good band.  I don't care for their offstage
    antics, but *all* their albums have merit ...
    
    Jerry

    Sorry, unfortunately I heard this tune again. To me it sounds like a bad
    joke. How can anyone stand that guy's sing...er...vocal work. The rest
    of the band sounds like your average dime-a-dozen garage band after they
    smoked too much dope. It makes me think that I must be gettin' old. But
    then I heard a hard-driving tune by The Black Crows right afterwards
    that sounded real good to me.

    How GnR can be so popular is truly beyond me. I mean the singing is bad,
    the backup is mediocre, the lyrics are pathetic and the music -- at best
    -- unimaginative. When I was 16 I had a band that sounded about like
    what I've heard from GnR.

    To borrow a popular british term, these guys are posers, IMHO.

    --Ron

    I dont consider myself a G'n'R fan, I have seen them twice, once they
    were awful and once they were superb. Axl cant sing, but neither can
    Dylan/Jagger/Springsteen, they all have their own style and their own
    unique live performance which makes their shows. To say the backing
    musicians are mediocre is, IMHO, wrong. Slash is amazing on the guitar,
    and many artists have had him playing on their albums...Dylan for one.
    
    The energy and commitment they put into their performance is almost
    Unique at this time...very few artists put on a show which is not only
    energetic but also fun. And have you actually listened to the lyrics on
    'Appetite..' they are better than most artists could ever dream of
    writting.
    
    I hate the G'n'R attitude to life and they are all dickheads, but their
    live show and their music is to the 80/90s what the stones were to the
    60s
    
    MArk

    I never considered Dylan et al to be great singers but even at their
    worst I never wanted to crawl into my radio and kill 'em.

>, but their
>live show and their music is to the 80/90s what the stones were to the 60s

    Boy this is an awful thought and I couldn't disagree more. GnR are a
    bunch of deadbeats that never had an original musical thought in their
    entire life. These guys really grate on me -- bad. The fact that some of
    them are such #$!!&*%holes just makes it worse. I generally don't dump
    on artists that I don't like but in the case of GnR I make an exception.
    They just put me in a bad mood, I guess.

    --Ron

    I get the feeling there is no point me entering another note, I dont
    think I will ever convert you :)
    
    MArk

    I guess that GnR is one of those things that, you either love 'em or
    you hate 'em...no middle road.  (Now someone is going to come along and
    prove me wrong...they always do!)  :^)
    
    I hate 'em.  They are the ONLY group that I will TURN OFF if they come
    on the radio.  If given a choice of listening to them or Madonna, I
    would choose Madonna (and y'all KNOW how I feel about HER!).
    
    And yes...I HAVE given them a fair shake...For the longest time I would
    sit and listen to a GnR song when it came out, hoping that maybe the
    first one was a bad fluke.  I have not liked ONE song.  Not even
    "Patience" (which a lot of people I know who don't like GnR will say "I
    don't like 'em except for one song).  Not one. 
    
    K.C.

    No point in arguing about them. I've passed up buying music mags because
    they were featured on the cover. They just leave me icy cold. Oh well. I
    don't mean to belittle anyone that does like them. To each his own as
    they say.

    I just needed to get that off my chest what with having Axl's voice
    still reverberating in my head. I've said my piece. I just don't get it.

    Of course, there's not telling what'll set me off again.
    flame_off

    KC, I can't stand GnR either, but given a choice between them and
    Stevie Nicks, I'd take GnR anyday.  Matter of taste, I guess.
    
    Mark.

    
    well, my teen-age daughters love'em.  I've tried listening, and I think
    the band plays ok in places, but i have a hard time getting past the
    voice too. I'll try again sometime....
    
    bob

    Re: .32
    
    PPPPPPTHTHTHTHTHTHTHFFTHTH!!!!!     :^)
    
    K.C.

I don't try to defend 'em.  For some reason I like them and take a lot of flak
when I try to explain why.

The first time I saw them was at Great Woods before Aerosmith.  They were okay
to good, but their show started to drag after 8-9 songs.  Axl had one speech
trying to defend "Mr Brownstone" and how it was more anti-drug than anything.

Live they can be a bit raw, especially Axl, but I prefer raw to backing tapes.

Seeing them this winter in Worcester, I was amazed at the number of slow tempo
songs they did.  Sort of remind me of Led Zep, how they started out with a very
hard first album, then began to explore other rhythms and acoustic melodies.

Of course no one likes LZ either...

Tim

    Well, I haven't had the privilege of seeing G'n'R live, but, I do have
    a couple of their albums. So, for what it's worth, here's my opinion;
    Guns and Roses' "Appetite for Destruction" was the first I purchased.
    The song, "Welcome To the Jungle", turned my crank the first time I
    heard it. It is a visceral, powerful piece of work.
    
    I like several songs on this album. So, naturLLY, when "Use Your
    Illusion" albums came out, I bought them, expecting good things. To
    date, after several listenings, I've gotta confess I'm disappointed
    with the quality of the songs offered. "November Rain" and a couple
    others are pretty good, but the projects seem a bit overambitious. 
    
    Also, I'm inclined to believe that Axl and Slash may have been playing
    the types of gaves with Izzy Stradlin that Keith and Mick played with
    Brian Jones, and Izzy told them to take a hike. G'n'R will suffer
    because of Stradlin's departure, I'm sure. 
    
    So, overall, I think there's a lot of potential there, but the promise
    has not yet been delivered.
    
    Your mileage may vary, etc.
    
    Bill

    
    So does this mean you like G & R, or do you hate em'?
    
                   
         Hate em' - you've got bad taste!
    
         Like em' - now you're talking!!!
    
    Disappointed in what you're sayin',
    METAL MANIAC
    
    {P.S.   I LOVE EM'!!!!!!!!   GUNS 'N' ROSES FAN}

    re [-1]:  chill out.....it's OK.....there's this thing called different 
    tastes...
    
    :), d

    
    
    
    	Anyone get to see these guys in Boston Wensday night??
    
    	I hear it was a strange night. With Axel doing his typical
    	whining about attitudes......
                                           

Yeah, he's such a whiner, complaining about being hit by a kahlua bottle.

He didn't like being called by WBCN at 6:00 am after travelling by by from
Maine and getting to Boston at 3:00 am...  The nerve!

I think they should have said they wouldn't play until the weenie who
tossed the bottle was outside the building...

He may complain too much for some people (including me) but I think that 
he was justified this time.

my 2�

Tim

    re:. 39..this is the first time i've seen a question asked with an
    attitude about the answer already built in...i was at the show....they
    were great and so wasn't the opening band the Brian May band....about
    the 3rd song in some moron threw a bottle of sambuca and hit Axl with
    it...so axl said into the microphone.."see this?...have a good f*ckin' 
    night" and walked off the stage....after that the road manager or
    someoene came out and saidd that they had come to play and do a show
    and asked that the lights be turned on and for the crowd to 'police'
    themselves...after a bit Axl came out and talked for a mminute about
    the fact that he didn't need to get hit with a bottle...nor did any
    mem=ber or his band or crew or for that matter, no member of the
    audience would enjoy it and that the sambuca sucking moron who threw
    thebottle was a real jerk....the bcn thing was a different complaint..
    bcn calls axl and slash and wakes them at 6am after a show the night
    before as was previously stated and after harassing them, they said
    basically 'f*** off*....bcn proceeded to broadcast them saying the f
    word for the remainder of the day without getting their permission to
    use their voices on the air...which they are supposed to do by way of
    FCC regulations or something to that effect.,...so...who's got the lousy
    attitude......??...........you may not like the music or the voice, but the
    guy has a reason for some of the stuff that he does that you only 
    (conveniently) hear one side of.............../k                   

    i heard (on wbcn so grain of salt it) that no one
    involved with the show or who was there saw the
    bottle.  speculation that axel made it up as
    an excuse to hassle bcn.
    
    now he's going to sue bcn for harrassment.
    apparenty a lawyer said he would handle the
    case if axel paid by the hour and allowed him
    to tell axel the suit was frivolous.
    
    by the way, the herald says it was a sambuca bottle
    (hmm, the cosmic muffin is always talking about sambuca?!)
    
    a guns and roses fan - NOT
    
    

    ...yeah right.....he'd risk making it up with 14K people as
    witnesses as to whether or not the bottle was thrown........please...
    if you don't like the guy, fine, but lets stick to reality shall we?
    ../k

Phil Lynott from Thin Lizzy, (a strong influence for GnR) lost an eye from a
bottle someone tossed at him.  He must have been another whiner.

People who throw bottles should be tossed out of the show.  End of story.

    whoa.
    i told you what i heard on bcn (and cautioned it should be
    taken with a grain of salt).
    i don't like axel and the boys but i don't think anyone
    should be subjected to objects thrown at them when on
    stage.
    him blaming bcn for the bottle is what i consider a bit whiney.
    
    BTW - i do like some of their songs.
    
    i do think that being awakened at 6 a.m. is a pain, but
    i don't think it's something to sue over.
    
    willie

    ..sorry if that sounded like a frontal attack on you willie....my
    buttons got pushed from the first note talking about 'axl whining
    again' and all that garbage...the guy may do some things that look
    flaky to others and maybe some of them are but i think we all agree
    that no one needs bottle s thrown at them on stage.....as for the bcn
    thing he took a crack at bcn by saying something like the sambuca
    throwing jerk must be a bcn listener.....  bcn had been taking potshots
    at them ALL day long though, at this point.....as well as waking them
    up and in general being boorish pains..../k

    I think there's a great leap from saying "must be a bcn listener"
    and "blaming BCN for the bottle".
    
    I don't like Axl either but it sounds to me like you're just not
    cutting him any breaks.

    
    There is no doubt that Axl has done his share of whining. From the
    GNR/Metallica tour loosing money to the sound engineer at every gig.
    But for once he has a substantial reason. First of all, had I been hit
    on the head with a bottle, I would have walked off that stage, my last
    words being "Find who through the bottle and I'll play". That audience
    would have split like the Red Sea, leaving the bottle-thrower all by
    his lonesome. But he was VERY COOL about it. I have new respect for Axl
    that I didn't have before. Any other performer would have left, and
    speaking of Bob Dylan... he probably would have died on impact. There's
    a big difference from whining about a soung engineer and whining about
    Assault And Battery with a Deadly Weapon. Had the bottle hit Axl in 
    a myriad of other places, it could have been life threatning. 
    
    As for BCN. If they took something I said out of context and played it
    WITHOUT my permission, to make their station seem 'funny' or what not,
    you can bet yer bum I'd be talkin' to my laywer. Expecially something
    such as an obscenity.
    
    
    

    GnR and WBCN deserve each other.
    
    Peter

    
>    GnR and WBCN deserve each other.
    
    WBCN saves my sanity in hotel rooms in Mass.
    
    Lale
    disclaimer: I am no GnR fan
    
    

re: Escopose

> But he was VERY COOL about it. I have new respect for Axl that I didn't have 
> before. Any other performer would have left, 

I dunno about that. I've been to an awful lot of shows in my life, and this
is hardly the first time I've seen something get thrown onstage. Bands will
sometimes ignore it, and sometimes they'll say something, but I've never
seen anyone walk off before.

One time that Journey was playing, Neil Schon got hit in the head with a 
bottle. He didn't even stop playing - just kept the song going, all the 
while you could see blood dripping down the side of his face and head, 
turning his shirt red.... *that* to me is professionalism - you don't let
one jerk in the crowd spoil it for 15,000 others.

alan

>One time that Journey was playing, Neil Schon got hit in the head with a 
>bottle. He didn't even stop playing - just kept the song going, all the 
>while you could see blood dripping down the side of his face and head, 
>turning his shirt red.... *that* to me is professionalism - you don't let
>one jerk in the crowd spoil it for 15,000 others.

Maybe not but there are some things a person shouldn't have to take.  If the 
jerk is out of order and injuring someone, he should be thrown out.  I for one
wouldn't stand on the stage until my security was assured.

I once was marching in a band at a local festival.  I was playing piccolo.  I 
went to take a deep breath (need a lot of air to play the piccolo, especially
when marching) just when someone threw an enormous handfull of confetti right in
my mouth.  Almost asphixiated me.  Why do you think sousaphone players have
nets over the bell of their horns?  Not just to make them pretty!

I don't believe musicians who are there to entertain us deserve this kind of
abuse.  I'm not a great fan of Axl Rose but his gyrations certainly don't
deserve a bottle on the head.

t'row da bums out!!  ccb

    I was at a Led Zeppelin concert (Madison Square Garden around 1976) 
    where Jimmy Page got hit by an exploding firecracker!!!!
    
    It was towards the end of the show - I think they played two more
    songs and then got off - no encore.  Supposedly, it required about
    a dozen stitches to close one of the wounds.  I was worried both
    for his ability to play guitar and whether or not the next show
    (which I also had tickets for) would be cancelled.
    
    They did catch the guy and charge him with assault.

I remember reading that.  It was either a cherry bomb or an M80 though.  A
firecracker wouldn't have done that much damage.  

Like the one that goes off in the middle of Dazed and Confused on
their live album...

Tim

    
    
    
    Re: Alan
    
>> I dunno about that. I've been to an awful lot of shows in my life, and this
>> is hardly the first time I've seen something get thrown onstage. Bands will
>> sometimes ignore it, and sometimes they'll say something, but I've never
>> seen anyone walk off before.

    	Throwing stuff on stage isn't anything new, of course not, but
    throwing bottles at the singer? Even if it wasn't intentional, a bottle
    of sambuca?
    
>> One time that Journey was playing, Neil Schon got hit in the head with a 
>> bottle. He didn't even stop playing - just kept the song going, all the 
>> while you could see blood dripping down the side of his face and head, 
>> turning his shirt red.... *that* to me is professionalism - you don't let
>> one jerk in the crowd spoil it for 15,000 others.

    	That's not professionalism, that's heart. If I was giving a
    presentation to my supervisors and one of them through their coffee mug
    at my head, you bet I'd walk outta there. 
    
    You're right one jerk shouldn't spoil it, and that's why Axl came back.