Conference marvin::uk_music

    It's a terrible song.
    
    Goldy.

    Absolutley toilet
    
    Andrea

    
    Well I beg to disagree, much as this track might be an acquired taste
    it is certainly not "toilet" (Anyone who likes take that as much as
    Andrea does would certainly find it an experience though).  It's very
    much like "poison" but with a slightly less hip-hop egde to it and a
    bit more of a dancy feel than their other efforts in this vain.  It is
    indeed Keith's first stab at vocals, and although he's no Otis Redding
    he certainly does the necessary.  I like this single.  Fabulous to
    drive to.
    
    I predict an album release within three months.
    
    
    
    I.

    A steaming pile of poo !!!
    
    And that last note wasn't much better !!
    
    
    Hugs,
    
    	Ian.

    I think the album is due in May sometime.  I like the track.  Its not a
    sit down and listen to piece, its a play loud and swing your pants kind
    of thing.  I like to play it in the car and put my foot down a little,
    and scare the **** out of people on the Bstoke ring road.  Gotta be one
    of lifes little pleasures.
    
    Mikef

    I'm with Mikef + Ian H on this. Not a blinder of a track but still
    better than the poo that was number 1 prior to this! If the album
    follows in the steps of "......jilted generation" it will be a buy 
    on day of release for me.
    
    		
    			Stretch. 

    Having been a bit of a fan since the 'Music for the Jilted Generation',
    i.e. not very long, I am mightily impressed with the new effort. I
    think that Liam Howlett has managed to get away from the rather picky
    and elitist dance scene and is achieving his aim of attracting a more
    'rock/lager' type audience. Firestarter and Underworld's Born Slippy
    (as heard on Trainspotting soundtrack) are 2 of the most exciting and
    up for it dance records I have heard for ages.
    
    dickie.
    
    PS anything before Jilted Generation is not my cup of cha.
    PPS Top of the Pops (alledgedly) had 50 complaints about Keith's
    interesting facial metal work. 

    I've not heard any of the Prodigy stuff prior to this...is Jilted
    Generation any good?  I always avoided it because I didnt like the
    cover artwork.  
    
    re-1
    
    Have you heard the new Underworld album (second toughest in the
    Infants?).
    
    Mikef

    Certainly agree with you about "Born Slippy".
    
    I do 'get down' for that one. In fact, I get so far down, I can't get
    back up again !!
    
    
    Ian.

    Personally, I like it. As Mikef said, it's very much a swing your pants
    type of track. Good driving music as long as you aren't in the
    slightest bit bothered about having your license endorsed.
    
    Balders

>    and elitist dance scene and is achieving his aim of attracting a more
>    'rock/lager' type audience. Firestarter and Underworld's Born Slippy

does he mean me?  Anyway, of course, it's `Firestarter', I thought someone 
would've put me right before now!

Chris.

    Does that make me a 'vague/coffee' type of audience?  
    
    mikef

    
    Here's a thought for you:
    
    I heard a few DJ's being interviewed on Kiss FM the other day and one
    of them said (and probably quite rightly) that we didn't need a "sex
    pistols" comeback because the prodge (as those in the know like to call
    them :) are emerging as punk for the 90's.
    
    I.

    re .8
    
    Music For The Jilted Generation is an excellent album, for
    dancing/'chillin/driving/whatever. A nice variety of styles, from big
    hip-hop drums (poison), crunchy loud guitars (Their Law (a
    collaboration with PWEI)), and skankin' dub type stuff (Narcotic
    Suite). All in all an excellent listen, best served loud.
    
    dickie.

   <<< Note 1344.8 by CHEFS::FIDDLER_M "The sense of being dulls my mind" >>>

    
>    Have you heard the new Underworld album (second toughest in the
>    Infants?).
    
    Mikef,

    I have heard one track, and thought it was rather good. Is all their stuff
    sort of "ambient songs"?

    Stuart

    No it is not all ambient tosh thank goodness. Songs to swing your pants
    too are to be found on the albums.
    
    
    			Stretch.

    I would, belatedly, like to add my view that the song is absolutely,
    completely and utterly toilet.
    
    Stuart 

    Hey Stuart - tell us what you think!
    
    m

    
    Yeah, don't mince words, just come out and say it.
    
    
    
    I.

    Without getting ageist (oh alright I am going to!) Mr Stratford taste may
    be tainted due to the effect the ageing process has had on his:-
    
    a) ears
    
    b) tastebuds
    
    c) understanding of yoof music!!!
    
    
    				Stretch.

    	Tafio,
    
        May one respectfully point out that you and I are the same age...
    
        >b) tastebuds
    
        Eh? I listen to music not eat it. Maybe you need to investigate the
        contents of the illicit substances which you are being sold...
    
        Stuart

Well I don't care what all the dissenters say (excluding Andrea, I mean, who 
can take a TT fan seriously? :), I think that Firestarter is grate.

Chris.

    Oi !! Cheeky git..I know more about music than you ever...never mind I
    can't be bothered
    
    Andrea
        

    Sorry meant to put a smiley, honest Chris..
    
    Andrea

    If only How Deep Is Your Love had been hearth as good.

    .25 - Don't be starting that ::SOAPBOX pun nonsense in here, Dickie!!!!
    
    Stratto - If you are even *one* day older than me (which you are) I
    class you as an out of touch, zimmer frame using, old *git*. ergo I am
    well within my rights to abuse you with regard to your age! Muncehead!
    
    
    
    				Stretch.

    I'd be Carefull, Stuarts a big chap....
    
    mikef

    .26
    
    Tafio,
    
    You're not still upset about the comments regarding your Welshness and
    that particular nationality's proclivity for Sheep and sexual acts, are
    you...            
    
    Stuart

    What has Mr Supersperm been doing with sheep?
    
    mikef

    Yeah Mike but due to his age he is a lumbering oaf of advanced years.
    The only chance of catching me would be to attach pillows to the base
    of his zimmer to silence it, and hope that the ground shaking would not 
    alert me to his presense!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.

    Supersperm!?!?! What am I not privy to here?!?!?

    If there was a UK_Music Hall of Fame, I would nominate 1344.29. 
    
    Stuart

>    If there was a UK_Music Hall of Fame, I would nominate 1344.29. 
    
there is, note 1317, I created it to annoy Matt (now departed)

Chris.

    >>Supersperm!?!?! What am I not privy to here?!?!?
    
    I hope you were privy.....
    
    m

    
    Back to the point, 'firestarter' and most other things I've heard by
    'The Prodigy' is great. I can see why some people wouldn't like it
    though, and having heard it played on a few crap radios and steroes i
    can also see why some people don't think it's very special - try
    turning the bass off, it sounds awful.
    
    I can only assume that my neighbours quite like it too, as none have
    complained yet - the cat however is beginning to recognise the CD case,
    he doesn't wait 'til it starts anymore before making a swift exit &^)
    
    G.

    Did you see how much the Chart Show cut of the vid the other w/e.
    Basically no lyrics at all! A bit Draconian to say the least!
    
    			Stretch.

    
    ...are you sure it wasn't the video for one of the other mixes ? ie.
    the ones with less/no lyrics.....
    
    G.

    >Did you see how much the Chart Show cut of the vid the other w/e.
    >Basically no lyrics at all! 
    
    The best version of the single doesn't contain any music either...
    
    Stuart

    Stratto,
    
    >> The best version of the single doesn't contain any music either...
    
       Your age is showing you up again!
    
    
    				Stretch.

    >Your age is showing you up again!
    
    Treehugger (quaint euphemism)
    
    Obviously being older, I wouldn't have spent all of Saturday evening
    throwing up, shouting weird and obscure phrases, cleaning duvets and
    hitting my head on unknown objects in the bathroom. And then spending 2
    days recovering.
    
    Aah, the joys of youth...
    
    Stratto

Well, I'm an old git, and have the Firestarter single (not surprisingly, since 
I started this topic, I suppose)  I think it's great, although I haven't 
listened to it today due to being *very* hungover.

Chris.

    I'm just an old git....
    
    Mikef

    
    The chart show do tend to "censor" vidoes that they consider to be a
    little hardcore for the general public and tend to stick to bubblegum
    "pop" records and lots of that lovely "swing" stuff (gak!).
    
    I've noticed that the dance chart gets a very brief airing when they do
    see fit to show it.

    Interesting point on the Chart Show, I thought that all the safe "pop"
    and the very lovely "swingbeat" (Warren G, Yee Hah), was what packed
    the dance chart. When I watched this programme, it was always the Rock
    chart that never got a fair hearing (If they had to show something from
    here it was always some terrible power ballad, Mr.Big anyone?). The
    dance chart always seemed to be virtually the same to the top ten
    anyway, has the programme been reorganised so that the dance chart has
    become more underground/hardcore? I must admit that I thought the
    Prodigy would turn up in the Indie chart, after all they're becomming a
    cross-over band making all sorts of music (the days of "Charly" are
    long gone), like PWEI or The Shamen. 
    
    I'd like to know if this has happened and what does it mean for the
    Indie and Rock charts? Could it be that the Chart Show has become worth
    watching. 
    Quick Dream Sequence:-
    Dance chart = Prodigy, Leftfield, Aphex Twin, Chemical
    Brothers, Bjork; Indie chart = Rocket From The Crypt, Fluffy, Powder, Ocean
    Colour Scene, Sleeper, Catatonia; Rock Chart = Terrorvision, White
    Zombie, Paradise Lost, Cathedral, Down, Letters To Cleo; and Hawkwind
    appear in all 3 charts at once - life could be so wonderful! 
    Wakes Up again!
    
    Back to the note - Prodigy get my vote.
    
    Firestarter is the best number one for ages and has managed to stay
    ther for 3 weeks, showing that unlike most other decent chart toppers
    their fan base is quite considerable! 
    
    An earlier note said that numerous complaints had been received over
    Kieth's body piercing, so beautifully shown off in the video! Surely no
    one is so sad as to be shocked/revolted by that!? Discuss!

    Wasn't the video cropped because someone was claiming the lyrics were
    persuading us all to rush out and become pyromaniacs?  
    
    
    Mikef
    

    Guy,
    I must have been having the same dream the other night as I fell of the
    sofa when Rocket From The Crypt did in fact appear on screen, and a
    sizeable chunk of the vid was aired. I think they showed the last
    singles vid as well.
    
    Ref Why show more of one chart than the other? I think anyone who has
    preference for rock/indie/dance could say that they never show enough
    from "their" fave music. The only chart that seems to have more airplay
    is the dance chart as there is more of that in the noraml top 10. Like
    you said basically. Sometimes their definition of dance/indie is
    dubious to say the least, in the case of the rock chart anything seems
    to count as long as it is a ballad by Bon Jovi, or some lightweight
    version of that!!! 
    
    On the whole I think the Chart Show has to cover a broad range and does a
    pretty good job of it. Recording it and watching with use of the fast
    forward button is a good idea though!!!
    			
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S I miss Noisy Mothers and The Beat for the diversity it offered esp
    Noisy Mothers increasingly Hardcore/Punk choons! The Beat had
    admittedly started to go downhill (or up G Crowleys bottom depending on
    your view). 

    Stretch,
    
    Couldn't agree more.
    In passing, "Noisy Mothers" (and its precursor "Raw Power") was my 
    favourate TV programme, what has become of it?
    Any programme which introduces you to the joys of Sugar Ray ("Mean
    Machine, Mean Machine, it's long, it's slick, it's olive green!"),
    Letters To Cleo and Stone Temple Pilots deserves never to be taken off
    the air! 
    The Beat was quite good, apart from the fact that I never trusted that
    Gary Crowley. He used to be a local DJ where I grew up, who 
    played Dance music and nothing else.
    Gas Tank was pretty good (especially John Entwistle rubbishing his
    wife, oh how we laughed when she sued him!) and Revolver had lots to
    recommend it as well. However, Noisy Mothers has always had the widest
    musical base (even saw the Chemical Brothers on there!), so gets my
    vote.
    
    Guy

    Guy,
      I have no idea why they axed n/mothers. I luckily heard Krusher say
    two weeks before the end that there would be two compilation progs, and
    that was it!!! (pretty much the same with The Beat) Boo Hoo etc etc.
    Very eclectic stuff indeed! I mean, have you seen anything on in the   
    timeslots these used to occupy that is not a repeat of a prog from that 
    week?? (errr does that make sense?)
     
     			Stretch.
    
    P.S First heard CNN on The Beat. (before 'THE' CNN blubbed and screamed
    for a name change). Good example of the little gems that occasionally
    cropped up. 

    
    Returning to the chart show (just for a little while, promise), I
    notice that the dance chart appears to be populated with some of the
    more underground acts lately with the chemicals bro's and leftfield
    heading up the pack.  The only problem here is that when they do show
    the dance chart, it's usuaklly a very small snippet of everything
    unless it's particularly "kiddie friendly" (if you'll pardon the
    expression) and then that's your lot.  I agree that they do a good job
    of showing a wide range of styles and tastes but they do seem to err on
    the side of a teenage audience.  Maybe that has something to do with
    the timeslot.
    
    On the subject of Gary Crowley, he always looked to me as if he was the
    sort of bloke who would sell you a dodgy car stereo as soon as filming
    stopped.
    
    
    I.

    Well, the last few notes have sold me on trying the Chart Show again,
    the promise of experiencing the Chemical Brothers and Rocket From The
    Crypt is too much to resist! Lets hope they confine all the pap to the
    top ten where it belongs!
    
    Guy
    

    Ian, (chart show again!!) I think one of the biggest problems with the
    more "underground" dance, and indie bands, is the fact that they do not
    make videos in the first place so all you get is a bit of "trippy"
    colours and the track playing over that.(normally a river if it is
    indie?!?!)
    
              
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S Royston was right about the programme BTW. You may have seen the
    abbreviated scene in a preview clip and subconciously absorbed it!!
    (that should confuse a few people!!)

    .50 Remeber to record it. Then you can fast forward over the "Boy
    Bands" (or not as the case may be!!)
    
    			Stretch. 

    With the sad demise of Bad Boys Inc, I'm afraid my interest in this
    area is greatly reduced :)!!!
    
    Guy

Well, I have to agree with Guy in that Hawkwind should be a regular feature in 
*all* of the charts, be they rock, indie, dance, punk or just bloody weird.  
Has any other band managed to encompass so many musical styles in their 
career?  (Even if the Hawks are a bunch of old hippies at heart)

Chris.

    
    re .53
    
    Leave this place and never return!
    
    
    
    :^}

Bought Firestarter on Sat, and must admit, I can't hear what all the fuss is 
about. Maybe I need to learn to drive? I'm definitely too old to learn how to 
dance . . .

grahame

>Bought Firestarter on Sat, and must admit, I can't hear what all the fuss is 
>about. Maybe I need to learn to drive? I'm definitely too old to learn how to 
>dance . . .

I can't dance, and I hate driving, but I still think that Firestarter is 
grate; I was never really into `industrial' music, until a friend got me into 
Nine Inch Nails (check out Pretty Hate Machine, it's excellent!)

I see that the Mail on Sunday is targetting this record for its latest media 
coup, `Ban This Evil Record Now' style thing (I believe that was the headline, 
anyway)  I always knew that journalists liked to broadcast their ignorance and 
stupidity far and wide, and this is just another example.  I haven't yet 
decided if they're stupid because they can't see beyond the song's title, or 
because they expect the general public to be gullable enough to believe them.

Chris.

	
	Sunday rag reported this weekend that the parents of the female 
	firefighter that lost her life fighting a fire (sorry - can't
	remember her name), are incensed at the release of a single
	promoting arson.  They have called the single 'Firestarter' - by 
	the Rave band Prodigy - bad taste, and are angry at the BBC and 
	the likes for giving it air play on radio and television.

	The paper reported that although most of the lyrics are 
	uncomprehensible, the words "Firestarter" & "Twisted Firestarter" 
	can be clearly heard.

	The parents state that the single could have adverse affects on 
	young people. (The single cover, which has a granny holding a 
	molotov cocktail, has not gone down well neither).

	The Prodigy have stated that the single is not associated with 
	arson.   


	Trev.

    Oh Jesus! American censorship here we go! "The music made me do it" etc
    etc
    
    
    			Stretch.

    Yes - this is depressing...
    
    m

	I'll bring in the article, and get the full details.

    Didn't we have this discussion already?
    
    Mikef$vague

>    Didn't we have this discussion already?
    
er, at least twice, I think.

Re sunday papers, I can just visualise the way the journalists have handled 
this.

Journalist, approaching relative of fire victim: `One of these spotty teen
	bands has just released a record called "Firestarter".  Aren't you
	outraged?'

Relative: `Er, I dunno, I haven't heard it, but-'

Journalist: `It's got a picture of a molotov cocktail on the front.  It's
	disgraceful and evil and should be banned, shouldn't it?'

Relative: `I'm not sure, I suppose-'

Journalist: `See, there you have it, the relatives of people killed by
	arsonists are outraged by this evil filth and say it should be
	banned!  Excuse me, I'll just take a really sentimental picture and
	then I can get loads of money by selling this story.'

Chris.

    Yup!  Thats the way it goes...
    
    Mikef

    Chris
      You are not leaving us to join the Scum, are you? You seem to be very
    good at this sort of thing. Frighteningly good actually!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.

    
    ...he didn't used to be like that, it's all that music he listens to.
    
    G.

    
    <-----  that's probably it, I believe his favourite record of the
    moment is "I'm a tabloid journalist" by Metallica.
    
    
    I.

    
    The Prodigy are said to be the support act of U2 concerts in the
    European leg of POPMART TOUR. Could anyone confirm this ?
    
    Luis.