Conference marvin::uk_music

    Apparently Robson & Jerome haven't been nominated for any categories
    despite having two very successful singles in the charts last year.
    
    Goldy.

    Brit Awards - they are the music industry nominated ones?  
    
    mikef

    
    re 'Robason & Jerome':-
    
    I just caught the end of the nominations on Radio 1 - basically, Blur
    Oasis & Pulp have been nomiated for everything - and they were pointing
    out that nominations are based on artistic merit, not commerical
    success. Hence no Roboson & Jerome....
    
    G. 

    No Take That either??
    
    Andrea$upset

    re -1
    
    Correct. 

re .4

Well, they did say 'artistic merit' so it can't be 
a surprise.

Balders

    
    I think Take that are up for 'Best vid' and 'Best Single'....
    
    G.

    Yes they are, I'll stop my ranting and raving now and not write my
    letter, (I hate musical snobbery, how many of the other bands nominated
    have sold out 20 arenas this year)
    
    Andrea

    >> letter, (I hate musical snobbery, how many of the other bands nominated
    >> have sold out 20 arenas this year)
    
    that's down to marketing not talent %^)
    
    

    Pah, that's down to a good fan base, the tickets for the first 10 where
    almost sold out before they hit the general public..
    
    Andrea

    Andrea,
    
     	So I suppose they gave a load of tickets to their Family, to make
    sure that there would be someone there supporting them !!
    
    
    
    	Ian.

    Well I am considered their family then as a loyal member of their fan
    club I was given first crack at getting decent tickets before the other
    fans got them..they also have the largest UK fan club
    
    Andrea

    On Sky news last night one of the voting panel (400 industry types) was
    explaining the reason for the nominations. The reason Robson &.... are
    not nominated even though they apparently have had the fastest selling
    album is because " they released an album of cover versions , BAD cover
    versions "!!!, hence no nomination. Boo Hoo says I !!! I assume the
    same applies in all other categories. Given the fact these votes are
    placed by industry types it says a lot about the bands on various
    rosters if only Blur and Oasis are slugging it out. Apparently
    Radiohead have a few nominations as well. This is the industry patting
    itself on the back and as such (and this is something past awards have
    taken a panning for) does not reflect the punters veiws.
    
    AND that ginger bufoon is presenting them AGAIN. Oh well another years
    Brits ignored.Ho hum 
    
    
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    >> itself on the back and as such (and this is something past awards have
    >> taken a panning for) does not reflect the punters veiws.
    
    ...it's pretty close to the NME awards nominations; Robson & Jerome
    didn't get a look in there either, and rightly so !
    
    G.

    G.
    Except for the fact that readers get to vote in the NME poll !!! There
    is a journalists only for single/album of the year etc etc
    
    
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    Very bored and depressed today so incase any of you "superior" music
    fans are interested::
    
    N*O*M*I*N*A*T*I*O*N*S
    
    Best Group:
    
    Blur, Lightening Seeds, Oasis, Pulp, Radiohead.
    
    
    
    Best Album:
    
    Blur - The Great Escape, Oasis- What's the Story, Pulp - Different
    Class, Radiohead -  The Bends, Paul Weller - Stanley Road.
    
    
    
    
    Best Male:
    
    Edwyn Collins, Van Morrison, Jimmy Nail, Tricky, Paul Weller...
    
    
    
    Best Female:
    
    PJ Harvey, Annie Lennox, Vanessa Mae, Shara Nelson, Joan Armatrading
    
    
    
    Best Newcomer:
    
    Black Grape, Cast, Elasitica, Supergrass, Tricky.
    
    
    
    Best Dance Act:
    
    Eternal, Leftfield, Massive Attack , M People, Tricky
    
    
    
    Best International Group:
    
    Bon Jovi, Foo Fighters, Garbage, Green Day, TLC.
    
    
    
    Best Int. Male:
    
    Coolio, Lenny Kravitz, Meat Loaf, Prince, Neil Young.
    
    
    
    Best Int Female:
    
    Bjork, Mariah carey, Celine Dion, KD Lang, Alanis Morriset
    
    
    And there you have it.  Not forgetting Best Video - Take That, best
    Single, Take That. 
    
    
    Results posted tomorrow, so if you want to watch it on telly, don't
    read.
    
    
    Andrea

    Lets have some predictions then :
    
    Best Group :	Oasis
     "" Album  :	Radiohead
     "" Male   :	Paul Weller
     "" Female :	Shara Nelson
     "" Newcomer :	Tricky
     "" Dance  :	Leftfield
     "" Int. Group :	Bon Jovi
     "" Int. Male :	Prince
     "" Int. Female :	Bjork
     "" Video  :	Supergrass - Alright
     "" Single :	Oasis - Wonderwall
    
    Well that's what I think, anyway !!
    
    
    Ian.
    
    

    My shrewd guess would be.......Oasis to win everything including int
    female etc etc. Crap awards anyway!
    
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re .16,

don't have any problems with those (apart from the spelling, that is! :) 
except, why the smeg did they nominate Bon Jovi and Mariah Carey?!  
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...................

Chris.

    Who cares about the boringly predictable results.  More to the point
    what the hell did Jarvis get up to?  
    
    On GMTV this morning it was a bit vague, you could just see a figure
    jumping onto the stage where Michael Jackson's young friends were
    singing but you couldn't actually see what he did.
    
    Anyone got any info?
    
    

    I don't know but it made me laugh so much I nearly fell off the sofa!!
    
    Andrea

    According to Radio 1, he was arrested and bailed later for assaulting
    (right word ?) three people.  Out of these three, one suffered cuts,
    one got thrown out of the way/fell off stage ? and the other was also
    bruised/hurt.
    
    Cynically :-  Guess this is one way to steal all the headlines 
    
    Euan
    

    What, wacky Jacko arrested for assault ?
    
    g. 

    No, Jarvis was. All the news reports said he was arrested and bailed,
    and that *someone* got up on stage during Jacko's performance and
    was attacking the children. No-one ever actually said Jarvis got up
    on stage but putting two and two together...
    
    Poor Jarvis.
    
    Goldy.

    Good old Jarvis - probably off his head.  was it on Tv or something? 
    Anyone interesting win anything?
    
    mikef

    It's on TV tonight, can't remember which channel. Apparently you 
    won't see anything of the scuffle cos someone heard all the TV
    directors telling their cameramen to 'pan up close' onto Jacko.
    
    Goldy.

    It's on ITV tonight at 8.30, i wonder if they'll show Oasis's
    rendition of Park Life???
    
    Andrea

    re-1
    
    is that serious?
    
    m

   First I would like to say I do not condone attacking children.
    
    BUT.....
    
    Top Man Jarvis!
    
    
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    I do not condone attacking children either and would have prefered it
    if Jarvis had just pulled out a gun and shot M.J.
    
    What happened couldn't have been very obvious as I was listening to
    Radio 1 and it wasn't mentioned and I can't find it in any of the
    papers this morning though they are slagging off Pulp for singing about
    drugs (yawn, yawn).  "Pulp sang sorted, their druggy single, surrounded 
    by a smiling face on the video screens - a known symbol of drug abuse".
    

    When Oasis accepted an award they began to sing we would like to thank 
    "all the people, so many people, they all go hand in hand, hand in hand
    through their Sh*te life"
    
    Very drunk and very funny..
    
    Andrea

    The results::           don't read on if you don't already know..
    
    
    
    
                                                         
    
    
    
    
    Best Newcomer : Supergrass  (agreed)
    
    Best Group : Oasis           ("  ")
    
    Best Album:  What's the Story
    
    Best Video : Wonderwall (should have been common people)
    
    Best Single: Back for Good (goes without saying really)
    
    Best male singer:  Paul Weller
    
    Best female singer:  Annie surprise surprise Lennox
    
    Best Dance Act:  Massive Attack
    
    Best Int. male:  Prince
    
    Best Int. female:  Bjork
    
    Lifetime Achievement : David Bowie
    
    Best INt. Group :  Bon Jovi
    
    Best Int Newcomer:  Alanis Morisette (should have been Boyzone - only
    kidding!!!)
    
    Best Producer:  Brian Eno
    
    Best Soundtrack:  Batman Forever
    
    Artist of a generation:  Michael jackson - not sure Jarvis Cocker would
    agree on that one
    
    Freddie Mercury Award:  HELP album
    
    And there you have it...
    
    Andrea
    
    
    
    

    >Best female singer:  Annie surprise surprise Lennox
    
    Has she released anything in the last 12-18 months?
    
    Stuart

    Just an album of cover versions...hang on. Isn't that why Robson &
    Jerome weren't nominated?
    
    Obviously no Kate Bush stuff was released last year.

    An album of COVERS..Robson and Jerome, eat your heart out ..
    
    Andrea

Thanks for typing that in Andrea  - but are you allowed to say "Prince"? 

International male stars seem to be a bit thin on the ground, and as for Bon 
Jovi . . . And ol MJ just have to cleanup on the Grammys now to be officially 
whiter than white.

    Annie "I am such a talent" Lennox did indeed release an album of covers
    2 years-ish ago. The Brits are industry back slapping awards and as
    such mean **** all to most people who record "new" music. (see Noels
    comments for more info) 
    
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    P.S Andrea - I like the p-name.

    
    what the Fredie Mercury award ? and why is it being given to an album
    which helped raise money and awareness for a worthy cause ??
    
    G.

    I don't think you are allowed to say prince, but I couldn't be bothered
    typing in that formally known as guff..and TT won one of the public
    voted awards so no arguments there then..
    
    Andrea$the DEC employee formally known as a daft Take That
    supporter     

 >>   Andrea$the DEC employee formally known as a daft Take That
 >>   supporter     
    
    Andrea, you make it sound like football ! Music is more serious than
    that  %^)
    
    G.

>    Andrea$the DEC employee formally known as a daft Take That
>    supporter     

are you now merely `The DEC Employee Now Known As Daft', then?

Chris.

    Along those lines..I've refused to take my posters down though..
    
    Andrea

    Someone has just raised the question as to wether El Jarv really hit
    the kids, or was he just dancing along?
    
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    I heard Jarvis' PR person on the radio saying that Jarvis didn't
    hit, cut or even touch anyone and that it was the security who removed 
    him that caused the trouble.
    
    Two child molesters on the same stage? Seems unlikely doesn't it!
    
    Richard.

    
    did they also say what it was all about ?
    
    G.

    
    Jarvis denied injuring any children last night.
    
    Apparently he stormed the stage in protest of Michael Jackson 
    potraying himself in a Christ like manner!
                                              
    The police were due to issue a statement on the charges after studying
    video evidence.
    
    
    
    
    

    After seeing last nights ridiculous mime by Mr jackson, I can only
    applaude what Jarvis did, he should be knighted for highlighting what
    complete and utter American, vomit worthy schmaltz we were subjected
    to..who on earth advised MJ to do such a "hollywood" mime, with all
    those stage school brats at a venue such as the Brits (bearing in mind
    it's not the mid/late eighties any more) and the "bad boys" were there
    as the press seem to call them.
    
    I think Michael Jackson should be arrested for offensive portrayal of
    himself as a Christ like being, and a long sentance for crimes against
    taste..of which his show had none.
    
    Take That were lovely too..
    
    Andrea
    Finally, why did they cut all the funny bits..though we did catch a
    glimpse of the hero Jarvis legging it from the stage..

Dunno about the Take That bit, but otherwise I agree completely with Andrea.  
Jackson's performance was absolutely sickening.

Chris.

    And "3 million children die every minute"? Which particular planet was
    he referring to? The one he comes from presumably.
    
    Phil Gill.

    There were some snippets on the local news at 6 last night, during
    Jackos performance at one point you could briefly see Jarvis on stage. 
    He wasn't beating any kids though - the News at Ten said that a
    security video showed over-zealous security guards causing the damage.
    
    Also one prro member of Take That being bundled off by his minder after
    going up to the camera and saying 'Thhaaattss all f f f folks..' in a
    Porky Pig styleeee.
    
    Mikef
    

    I thought Alanis Morisette (SP??) was pretty good though..has she got
    an album/cd out??
               
    Andrea

    Yeah,
    
    	Jagged Little Pill......and very good it is too !!
    
    
    BTW, has no-one else heard that Bjork decided to smash some reporters
    head in on the lounge floor at Bangkok airport !!
    
    
    Ian.

    I saw Bjork's attack on GMTV this morning and pretty violent it was
    too.
    
    I certainly wouldn't like that coming towards me punching, kicking and
    pulling my hair.  The reporter tried to run away but Bjork kept
    attacking her the only defence she put up was trying to hit Bjork with
    her microphone.  I do think some reporters deserve a beating now and
    again but this looked way over the top.
    
    Going back to Jarvis - Reeves and Mortimer picked him up at the police
    station and took him back to their hotel where they held a "Justice for
    Jarvis" party.
    
    

    This sounds great - what provoked Bjorks attack?  Did the reporter
    mention Puffins?
    
    Mikef

    The reporter allegedly asked Bjork for an interview, then got beaten
    up, and isn't pressing charges.

    The "No 1 Sun" go on to say that "Bjork, whose hits include Violently
    Happy, phoned the reporter to say sorry"
    
    Now why didn't they take that further and say "Bjork, whose former
    band, The Sucarcubes, had a hit with Hit, said that the assualt was
    totally unprovoked but that she just wanted to smack someones head
    repeatedly on the floor !!!" Alledgedly !!
    
    
    Ian.

    
    Someone has just told me that Jarvis is on TFIF 
    the new Chris Evan's program on Channel 4 tonight.
    
    Don't know that he will be able to say much due
    to the charges but knowing Jarvis he won't give a.
                              
    
    

    I saw a clip of him on some show on BBC2 on Friday night.  He was
    talking through his reasoning for what he did and it came across very
    well.  He stated that he didn't hurt anyone and never intended to, but
    purely to protest at the way MJ was personifying a Christ/healer like
    persona. Good comment was that he agreed with the sentiments behind
    Earth Song but singing a song and letting people touch MJ isn't going
    to heal them or the problems being sung about.
    
    Euan
    

    Having seen the vid of the incident I fail to see how any charges can
    be brought. He clearly does not touch anyone on the stage.
    
    
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    re-1
    
    
    Where did you see the vid?  Has it been on tv?  
    
    mikef

    Mikef,
    Sadly I have to confess to watching that ginger twit(oooopppss wrong
    vowel!) on Friday as they said they would have an interview with El
    Jarv...... 45 minutews later they have a chat via dodgy satellite link
    (cr*p audio) and had the footage from the moment he got up on stage to
    him leaving. Jarvis said it was down to Candida saying he would not
    have the nerve to get up on stage and protest at the spectacle they
    were witnessing. He did. Once up there he said he did not know what to
    do so he turns round and wiggles his bum at the audience. One of the
    dancers trys to grab him, he skips around a bit , avoids capture and
    exits stage left! He then had two hours of questioning in his dressing
    room while Wackos lawyers (all THREE of them) try to come up with
    something to charge him with). He touchs no one during the whole thing.
    
    
    			Top laff!
    
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    Hmmm...sounds like Wacko needs taking down a peg or two.  I was told
    that Wacko made Geldof call him 'The King of Pop' or somesuch in his
    intro...
    
    Mikef

    
    I'm waiting to see if Wacko's lawyers get charged with wasting Police
    time on March 11th. Apparently, Jervis must be charged by then
    otherwise tho whole thing will be dropped, so if they don't bring
    any charges by then, surely they've wasted police time (and tax payers
    money !).
    
    G.

According to the breakfast show this morning, Bob Mortimer (who was a solicitor
up until the *repeats* of the first series of VRBNO) turned up to, in some legal
sense, take care of "J.C.", took one look at the Jackson legal empire, and left.


Fist of Fun was good on Friday too "Wherver there is, like, injustice, I, Jarvis
Cocker, will be there to, like, defend the Common People".

+Mark+

    I read last night that Jarvis won't be charged with anything, though
    was considering some civil thing against Jackos record company.  Also
    that there were scuffles between Jacko and Pulp fans.  
    
    
    Mikef

I'm glad to hear that, although I'm surprised that The Weirdo's vast army of 
lawyers gave up so easily.  Still, at least the bad taste merchant didn't 
triumph, anyway.

Chris.

    I think Jackos army of lawyers gave up cause they had nothing to charge
    him with, based on the video evidence all he did was walk across the
    stage and mess about a bit..as Jarvis said upsetting  Michael Jackson
    isn't against the law.  Thought his press conference was quite funny,
    especially his comment that he hopes Michael sorts himself out..Good
    decision there.
    
    Andrea

Oh well, another chance to see the Brits last night with the `controversial' 
bits left in.  Not really much more to see, except in Wacko's vomit inducing 
performance, finally getting a chance to see Jarvis waving his bum at the 
audience, and to see Oasis making complete arseholes of themselves.

Chris.

    Was it worth the wait?  
    
    Mikef

>    Was it worth the wait?  
    
No, not really.

Chris.

    I'll find something better to do on friday night then.
    
    
    Mikef

    Liam squaring up to Mike Huthence was quite a laff. As was Noels
    comments about has beens, while the has been in question was stood next
    to him! Jacko deserved a slap for that "performance". Fair play to
    Jarvis indeed! oh and bonus points to Liam for refering to Chris Evans
    (Richard head) in a less than complimentary manner i.e "It'll take more
    than ginger bollox to get us off the stage!" etc etc
    
    
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    I wanted to watch it so I video'd it last so that I can play it back
    and forward through all the boring bits. Should only take 10 minutes 
    to watch.
    
    Goldy.

    Less!