Conference marvin::uk_music

    
    Been watching Born on the 4th of July, Niall?
    
    Anyway I've got to agree on the Bryan Adams song - Pure Dross!
    
    However, it's got to be said that 99% of all singles released this year
    are poor enough to challenge for second place!
    
    Welcome back to '74!
    
    Mark

    I'm going to jump to the defence of Jason D here. The chap at least
    takes his music seriously, and, even if he doesn't have the best voice
    in the world, it isn't bad.
    
    Jason D has taken music lessons, and of course he also sings in the
    Stage Show. There are many, many bands who can't do anything outside a
    studio. 
    
    One of the reasons I like groups like Runrig and Queen, is that the
    singers can/could belt out the songs effortlessly live on stage. 
    
    Dougie
    

   ( re.1) 
    I'm sorry but I never saw Born on the 4th of July so I miss the
    significance of the comment.(and anytime before midday is too early to
    think)
    
    Niall
    

    
    Niall,
    
    Just the use of some of your mildly concealed expletives put me in my
    mind of that film (which I saw last night, hence the immediate connection).
    Only difference was, the film made no attempt to conceal them, but this 
    isn't the film conference, so back to Worst Single of the year...
    
    Mark

    Those songs deserve more than mildly concealed expletives! Anyway I
    have to make some effort at concealing them or else I'd be in trouble.
    BTW
       "Good Vibrations" - Markey Mark & the Funky Bunch stank as much as 
    anything else . Easily known that he's Donnie New Kid's brother.
    
                Niall
    

    
    
    Niall - everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and the "Worst
    Single" discussion is so subjective that it cannot be taken seriously.
    
    For example - I like just about every song on your list except the
    Jason song. 
    
    So, in a nutshell - you're wasting your time mate.

                     <<< Note 945.3 by XSTACY::NBLEHEIN >>>
                       -< I repeat Jase CANNOT sing!!! >-

    You can repeat it as much as you like. It's a free country.

    Most music is subjective . Doesn't this mean that the majority of the
    notes in all of the music conferences are a waste of time by the
    yardstick of -.2?
     It's simply a note for people to express waht they really disliked
    during the year . I nobody wants it then nobody will reply.
    
              Niall
     

Re: .-1

>    Most music is subjective . Doesn't this mean that the majority of the
>    notes in all of the music conferences are a waste of time by the
>    yardstick of -.2?

Yes!  But it's nearly Christmas, so people think these notes are a good idea.
Who am I to argue?  Anyway, back to the subject in hand;

"I'm too Sexy" was pretty awful.  Spitting Image last Sunday did a spoof top ten
where every song was something like `I want to sex your sexy sex'.  Are these
songs coming about because nobody's having sex due to fear of hiv/aids?  Are 
people singing about it rather than doing it?  And if so, why are the songs
always so awful?

Lee

    
    Ok, if we're gonna do this ...
    
    Anything by the Pratt Shop Boys
    Anything By Elvis Costello
    Anything by Billy Bragg 
    ANything that S.A.W. have any involvment in
    Any Dance, Hip Hop or Rave music
    
    Thats about it!

    
    Anything by any group with a silly name...
    
    
    Except Alien Sex Fiend! I don't think I've ever heard a toon by them
    but the name deserves success! :^)
    
    What about - Have you got your stockings on by Big Fat Wah. Awesome!
    
    Mark

    >> but the name deserves success! :^)
    
    Which, thankfully, proved never to be the case. 
    
    Barry.
    

Re .9:  Lee, aren't you a bit young to be listening to those songs?


Rod

    Alien Sex Fiend? Good grief, I seem to remember a place off Oxford
    Street called Replicant which played the likes of Bauhaus, The Sisters
    of Mercy and Alien Sex Fiend to a crowd of overly made-up youths with a
    penchant for crappy haircuts and leather trousers in early 1983. I was 
    just an observer, of course.
    
    Piers

   Worst singles of 1991:

   Anything that was in the BBC Radio 1 FM Official Top 40, with the 	
   exception of the very few songs that I liked!

   Goldy

    It's got to be the recent single by the shambolic Hardcore. Saw them
    on TOTP recently with some screeching cat on vocals doing the usual 
    flapping of the arms. Try and defend this one and I'll laugh.
    
    Barry.

   I haven't heard so I won't pass judgement.  However, I can't wait to
   hear the new Cliffie single.  What a man!

re .14

I saw an article in NME last week (somebody in my house bought it, I wouldn't 
spend my honestly-earned cash on it, &c.) about how to be a Goth.  It 
included hanging around war memorials, wearing lots of jewellery so people 
can hear the death-rattle as you approach, dressing like Morticia from the 
Addams Family (even if you are a bloke).

It was, even for an NME article, quite amusing.

Paul

   Re .18

   Crumbs, sounds like me at a weekend!

   Goldy.

    Just as well that The Mission didn't release any singles this year
    then.
    
             Niall
    

    RE .16  The new Cliffie single is a classic ---- Classic Cliffie.
    "Twice as sweet as sugar ,
      Twice as pure as gold  "
       
    
    
             Melle Melle wrote that but I think it describes Cliffie Fairly
    well. His new single needless to say belongs in this note and in the
    bin.
    
                Niall
    

    RE: Goths,
    
    Oi! Oi! What's wrong with being a Goth? Being a bit weird's not a
    crime....
    
    People these days just don't know how to have a bad time!	:-)
    
    								- JIM CAD*

    Nobody said being a bit wierd was a crime. Being a goth (not to be
    confused with wierd much as goths would like to) is just a bit silly ,
    that's all . Lots of goth music (cept SOM and Siouxsie) is crap too. I
    think All About Eve deserve a mention in this topic for the incredibly
    naff single of this year "Farewell Mr. Sorrow" .
    
                  Niall
    

    
    Don't get me wrong, when I lived in Reading I knew alot of Goths,
    except they all seemed to be 15, go to Kendrick School and would try
    and kill themselves with plastic scissors after listening to the
    Smiths.
    
    They were some however, who were incredibly cute.
    
    Paul

    � and kill themselves with plastic scissors after listening to the
    � Smiths.
    
    Blimey! I must be a closet Goth. I always feel like killing myself
    after listening to the Smiths! :^)
    
    Mark

    Smiths? All About Eve? Tch!	I hate jangly, airy-fairy Goth (e.g. All
    About Eve, The Mission, and I *HATE* The Smiths) :-)
    
    I know the sort of "teeny-Goth" you mean, and the "real Goths" despise
    them too - it's a perfectly normal, human reaction :-)
    They all think that The Cure are the be-all and end-all of life; and I
    have heard stories of teenies who hadn't even heard of Bauhaus...!
    They all try to look like Robert Smith (ho!ho!) and make personal
    depression & mock-suicide attempts a way of attracting attention.
    
    As for Goth music I hate The Cure, The Mission, All About Eve - I do
    like some of the old Sisters, Virgin Prunes, Death In June, CURRENT93,
    Fields of the Nephilim, Skeletal Family, some Bauhaus, etc... and think
    that there is a section of Goth music which provides really listenable
    music (e.g. The Nephilim). I also like some New Beat stuff too e.g.
    Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Nine Inch Nails....
    
    I have been "judged" before because I was wearing a new Nephilim
    T-shirt by a guy at a nightclub who looked upon me with scorn; however
    after dancing to stuff like Virgin Prunes he realised I was not one of
    the Neph_and_Cure_only gang and we had a great chat - he told me about
    the teeny who hadn't heard of Bauhaus, yet called themself a Goth, that
    made me laugh!!!
    
    I think real Goths are great people, some of the best... it's a shame
    there is not the same diversity of music offered to kids these days
    (IMHO of course)... ahhh... when I were a lad....
    
    
    								- JIM CAD*

    Methinks we should return to the original topic of the note
    (interesting and all as -.1 was)
    
                Niall
    

    
    WHY?
    
    Mark 

    Psuedo Goths, Visi Goths, Nephi-Goths, Golly Goth, but not Jolly
    Goths. And as for the Nephs.....you're a brave man admitting to 
    liking Stevenage's famous (?) sons.
    
    Barry
    

I remembered one single I really, really hated, and that was that thing by
Crystal Waters. It wasn't too bad the first couple of times, but after that
I found increasingly irritating until it rapidly attained the status of
being a real radio-off track.


Rod