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    Hi Lee ,
    
    	I also was at the Kings to see A curious Orange . Great wasn't
    it !  Didn't you think Brix stole the show - what a mover !!
    
    Stuart.

    
    Obviously not many Fallophiles read this conference, but I'll say
    this anyway.  The Songs they played in the ballet have now been
    released on an album of (sort of) the same name, `I am Kurious,
    Oranj'.  Most of it has been re-recorded in a studio, but a few
    of the tracks are live.  in my opinion, one of their best albums
    as they're getting more sophisticated by the hour.
    
    Rumor has it of a single live date at the Town & Country on December
    the 20th.

    	Lee.
    

    
    count me in too.
    
    any got a favourite fall song, according to muriel gray EVERYONE
    has . so get a hold of your local lollipop lady and get hers too!
    
    anyone any thoughts on this 'kurious' album ?? 
    
    i bought it today and look forward to hearing it!!
    
    yours,
        dox doxter - happy fall fan !
    
    
    

    
    Oh yeh, forgot to mention ....
    
    o I was in the same 3rd year class at school as Mark E. Smith.
    
    o Mark E's dad was my folks plumber for years.
    
    iamcuriousorange,
    
    David.
    

    
    Let's hear a few recommendations from die-hard Fall fans as to the
    "best" Fall album. I've heard a lot of stuff that like, but I really
    don't know which LP(s) to buy.
    
    Regards,
    
    		Dom

    
    
    RE.8
    
    I think you couldn't go wrong by starting with 'grotesue - after
    the gramme' lp , possibly along with the 'slates' mini-lp.
    
    both are classic fall.
    
    there is also a fall compilation with ' i'm into C.B ' and others
    which is great stuff. can't remember the title right now but it
    will come to me..
    
    
    dox doxter
    
    

    
    The compilation album with "I'm into C.B." on it is "Hip Priests and
    Kamerads", a pretty good album.
    
    My best album?  Well, probably the singles album, "Palace of Swords
    Reversed", containing some real great stuff like "Totally Wired" and
    "The Man Whose Head Expanded".  Best song is a completely impossible 
    category for me.  they're all brilliant.
    
    	Lee

    C.R.E.E.P.
    Rowch Rumble
    
    This is all music to grow up to!
    The Fall just seem to get better as they get older.
    Anyone fancy tackling a complete discography??
    
    Mike F. 

    A FALL FAN FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POND.  THIS BAND IS GREAT!
    I HAVE SEEN THEM THREE TIMES OVER HERE AND EACH TIME IT HAS BEEN
    GREAT, MARK E. MAKES ALL THE RULES.  I HAVE THREE OR FOUR ALBUMS BY
    THEM THE NAMES OF WHICH ESCAPE ME RIGHT NOW.  AS FOR MY FAVOURITE TUNE
    "SHOULDER PADS".

    Latest news from the Fall is that they have finally signed to a
    big league record label (Phonogram), although their records will
    still be released on their own label (Cog Sinister).
    
    Does anyone think MES is strong enough to make the rules with this
    lot? I sure hope so....
    
    Bob

 	Here's a copy of a discography that i've got a hold of. I don't
      guarantee that it's complete but it's the best we have so far. This
      only covers up until October 1987.

	Here we go..


		SINGLES 				LABEL

	aug 1978   	bingo masters breakout 		Step Forward SF7
			/psycho mafia		
			/bingo master
			/repetition

	nov 1978	it's the new thing		Step Forward SF9
			/various times

	july 1979	rowche rumble			Step Forward SF11
			/in my area

	jan 1980	fiery jack			Step Forward SF13
			/2nd dark age
			/psykick dance hall no. 2

	july 1980	how i wrote elastic man		Rough Trade  RT048
			/city hobgoblins

	sept 1980	totally wired			Rough Trade  RT056
			/putta block

	apr 1981	slates e.p.			Rough Trade  RT071
			middle mass
			/an older lover etc
			/prole art threat 
			/fit and working
			/slates , slags etc
			/leave the capitol

	nov 1981	lie dream of a casino soul	Kamera    ERA001
			/fantastic life

	mar 1982	look know			Kamera    ERA004
			/i'm into CB	

	jun 1983	the man whose head expanded	Rough Trade  RT133
			/ludd gang

	sep 1983	kicker conspiracy		Rough Trade  RT143
			/wings
			/container drivers
			/new puritan

	nov 1983	marquis cha cha			Kamera    ERA014
			/room to live

	jun 1984	oh brother			Beggars Banquet BEG110
			/god box

	jun 1984	oh brother ( extended )		Beggars Banquet BEG110t
			/oh brother
			/god box                         12" single

	aug 1984	CREEP				Beggars Banquet BEG116
			/pat-trip dispenser

	aug 1984	CREEP ( extended )		Beggars Banquet BEG116t
			/CREEP
			/pat-trip dispenser		 12" single


	oct 1984	call for escape e.p.		Beggars Banquet BEG120e
			draygo's guilt
			/clear off
			/no bulbs
			also free single with alt. versions of
			/slang king
			/no bulbs

	jun 1985	rollin' danny			Beggars Banquet BEG134
			/couldn't get ahead

	jun 1985	rollin' danny			Beggars Banquet BEG134t
			/couldn't get ahead
			/petty thief lout		 12" single

	oct 1985	cruisers creek			Beggars Banquet BEG150	
			/ L.A.

	oct 1985	cruisers creek			Beggars Banquet BEG150t	
			/ L.A.
			/vixen				 12" single

	jul 1986	living too late			Beggars Banquet BEG165
			/hot after shave bop

	jul 1986	living too late			Beggars Banquet BEG165t
			/hot after shave bop
			/living too long		 12" single

	sep 1986	Mr pharmacist			Beggars Banquet BEG168
			/lucifer over lancashire

	sep 1986	Mr pharmacist			Beggars Banquet BEG168t
			/lucifer over lancashire
			/auto tech pilot 		 12" single

	dec 1986	hey luciani			Beggars Banquet BEG176
			/entitled

	dec 1986	hey luciani			Beggars Banquet BEG176t
			/entitled
			/shoulder pads			 12" single

	jun 1987	put away			Strange Fruit  SFPS028
			/mess of may
			/no xmas for john key
			/like to blow			 12" single

	may 1987	there's a ghost in my house	Beggars Banquet BEG187
			/haf found bormann

	may 1987	there's a ghost in my house	Beggars Banquet BEG187t
			/haf found bormann
			/sleep debt snatches
			/mark'll sink us		 12" single

	oct 1987	hit the north part 1		Beggars Banquet BEG200
			/hit the north part 2

	oct 1987	hit the north part 1		Beggars Banquet BEG200t
			/australians in europe
			/hit the north part 3
			/northerns in europe

	

		ALBUMS 				        LABEL

	jul 1978	live at the electric circus     Virgin VCL5003
                        - various artists compilation including two fall tracks

			last orders
			/stepping out			 

	jan 1979	live at the witch trials	Step Forward  SFLP1

	nov 1979	dragnet				Step Forward  SFLP4

	jun 1980	totales turns -			Rough Trade ROUGH10
			( it's now or never ) 

	dec 1980	grotesque -			Rough Trade ROUGH18
			( after the gramme )

	aug 1981 	the early years 1977-1979	Step Forward  SFLP6

	mar 1982	live at acklam hall 1980	Chaos Tapes LIVE006

	mar 1982 	hex enduction hour		Kamera  KAM005
	
	oct 1982	room to live ( mini album )	Kamera  KAM011

	dec 1983	perverted by language		Rough Trade ROUGH62

	sep 1984	the wonderful and frightening	Beggars Banquet BEGA58
			world of the fall
			- cassette version on BEGC58 has seven extra tracks

	oct 1985	hip priests and kamerads	Situation 2  SITU13
			- cassette version on SITC13 has four extra tracks

	oct 1985	this nations saving grace	Beggars Banquet BEGA67
			- cassette version on BEGC67 has three extra tracks

	SEP 1986	bend sinister			Beggars Banquet BEGA75




       well feel free to ammend/update this if you like. keep listening to
       that northern c & W sound.



cheers ,

	dox doxter

	Thanx DOX! This will certainly come in handy!

	Ed

    
    The Fall release a new album:
    Seminal Live - comprises a mixture of live and new material.
    Side 1: (all new tracks) Dead Beat Descendant, Pinball Machine,
    HOW, Squid Law, Mollusc in Tyrol.
    Side 2: (live) 2x4, Elf Prefix/LA, Victoria, Pay Your Rates,
    Cruiser Creek.
    
    In addition the cassette and CD will contain 4 extra tracks:
    Kurious Oranj, Hit the North, In These Times, and Frenz.
    
    Release date: June 26th by Beggars Banquet.

    Any hope of The FALL going on tour on the continent, preferably
    with their Kurious dance performance???
    
    They were in Munich some months ago, appearing in a so-called "Off
    Beat" night, organized by a private TV station (Tele 5), together
    with The Godfathers among others. BUT - it was a small venue, and
    no tickets were on sale, only "invited guests" were let in, most
    of them not really interested in that sort of music but just wanting
    to be seen... So apparently, according to a write-up of the night
    in a local What's On paper, the atmosphere wasn't all that exciting,
    and The FALL didn't really care. Not surprising, I wouldn't want
    to perform for those trendies and show-offs... (Not that I've ever
    been asked to...)
    
    Well, hoping for good news on a tour
    
    	- Hannelore -

The new Album `Seminal Live' appears to be a mere filler album.  Maybe it's
just a contract fulfillment before they leave Beggars Banquet to Phonogram
pastures greener, or maybe it's just a reminder for the record buying
population that they're still around after what must be twelve years.  Either
way it's not a real album and it may only appeal to those out to collect any
Fall output whatsoever.

Half of the album is new stuff and the other half is live versions of their
older songs.  First, the new material: this really seems like just out-takes or
failed tunes that didn't even meet The Fall's standards.  Only two of the
tracks, `Dead Beat Descendant (from the Curious Orange show)' and `Pinball
Machine' could actually be called songs, the others seems to be just Mark E's
Manc Rants over standard Fall Doom-Bass drumbeats.  Not any of them are really
catchy enough to become old faves, they just seem to be messing around.

The live side of the album has really been hashed together with no finesse at
all, although over-production was never one of their faults.  A couple of good
oldies like `Pay Your Rates' and `L.A.' are there and hammered out in true live
style.  Still not exactly a real example of their live prowess though, some of
it appears to be almost bootlegged from a walkman in the crowd.

This album is at a reduced price on all formats, so you won't be totally ripped
off if you do buy it.  This is good as it doesn't have much more status in the
fall discography as an endorsed bootleg.  I beleive they're working on the
first phonogram album now, due out before the end of this year.  Let's hope
that `Seminal Live' is just a contract fullfilment rather than the shape of
things to come.

	Lee.

     Oh Woe!!!!  Brix has left The Fall...
    
    Mark and Brixs marriage has broken up, and now she has left the
    band completely.   How is this going to affect  the songwriting??
     We will have to wait for the Phonogram lp to find out I guess.
    
    Wonder if she has found someone else...I can rant as good as
    Mark...What an idea-ah!!!
    
    Mike

    Apparently, Brix has left to pursue her career in the Adult Net
    full time. Founder member Mark Brammah has been standing in, but
    it is thought to be unlikely that he will rejoin the band full time.
    
    Bob

Anybody see The Fall at Reading Uni. Last night?  Pretty good gig.  Snappy
dresser that MES.

Fall Releases:

HIGH-TENSION
LINE:		New 7" and 12" single.  Out next week.

A-SIDES 458489: All the A-sides of singles from the last five-ish years.  
		Out now.
B-SIDES 458489: Double album's worth.  Out soon (maybe next year)

VHS8489:	Yep, it's the video!  some live stuff, some singles videos,
		some bit's of rubbish.  Again, out soon.

    Fall last night....brilliant!!
    
    As I recall, it was mainly recent stuff (Oranj, Extricate, Bend
    Sinister), a stonking version of Bill is Dead.  Even MES seemed to be
    enjoying himself.  The latest line up is tight and powerfull, well
    worth catching.
    
    The new single and the video are in the shops now.  I understand the
    bsides lp will be out before crimble.
    
    It was good to see a lot of people looking grim in black, none of this
    baggy colourfull nonsense.
    
    Mikef

    
    I knew it was going to be good, I thought of Reading Uni on the evening
    of the 4th whilst I was listeneing to yet another Euro pap record.
    AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH I hate Europop.
    
    Tim
    ---

    The Fall b-sides compilation is in the shops now - a double lp.  Cost
    in the HMV was 7.99.  Looks like a good lineup of stuff, I'll get it at 
    the weekend.
    
    Bill is Dead made no 1 on the Festive 50, which surprised me (I had
    money riding on it being no 3).  But then my guess for no 1 (Loaded)
    did not even appear!!
    
    Mikef

    I missed the 50, Mikef, what else was in there?
    
    Bob
    
    p.s. thank you Santa for 'Extricate'

.-1 you're welcome for 'Extricate' :-)

.-2 Mikef,  please  please  please  post  the  Festive  Fifty if you haven't
already.

My tan is starting to faaaaaaaaaaaaade, honest. Ed

    I'll post a 50 listing as soon as I have a complete one.  Anyone else
    who has it already... It usually gets printed at the weekend in the
    Observer, so I'll get it then.
    
    I think we have a note somewhere for the 50.
    
    Mikef

    The Fall, 'The A Sides' was released here in the States a while back,
    and I have seen a 2-disc set of B-sides available. 
    
    Anyone have a track listing? 
    
    
    

    Of the A sides or B sides?  I could get one for you.  The A sides is
    essential stuff, the B sides is good, but not essential.
    
    Mikef

    If you have a list of the B-sides, that'd be great. I realize it's a
    big favor, tho'. 
    

    New Fall single next monday (2nd March) - titled 'Free Range'.  I heard
    it on the radio last week, and its stonkingly good.  The new album -
    'Code Selfish'  - is released on March 16.  
    
    Mikef
    

RE: Free Range

I've heard this a couple of times now, and "stonking" is definitely the right
word. I can't wait to buy the LP and turn it up REALLY LOUD.

I managed to get a pre-release copy of this on Saturday, and once again The Fall
have come up with the goods.  I was quite disappointed with the previous album
`Shift Work' because all those new keyboards and drum-machines didn't seem to
fit in with everything else that was going on.  Now it sounds like they've got a
grip on it.  It's got that great plodding Fall sound, very addictive and
pretty danceable.  Another essesntial Fall album, I'm afraid.

Lee

    
    I can't decide whether I like Code: Selfish more or less than Shift
    Work - probably both about the same. I think the best tracks on C: S
    are "Immortality", which even a Dancing Dad would have to admit has a
    good beat, and "Free Range". "Married, 2 Kidz" is up there too, mainly
    because of the line: `I have a peculiar, goatish, smell'.
    
    Trevor

     
    I prefer Code selfish -sounds a bit  more like the older ones.. 
    Palace of swords reversed/Live at the witch trials... etc 
    
              Pat Macat -the very famous sports reporter.

New Fall E.P. out next week.  4 tracks called "Ed's Babe", "Pumpkin Head 
Xscapes", "The Knight, The Devil & Death",  and a remix of Free Range "Free
Ranger".

LEe

    Never really gave The Fall a good listen but anyone who titles
    a song "British People in Hot Weather" must be alright. I may
    venture out and purchase a Mark E Smith (if it's still E?)
    product. Any suggestions?
    
    barry. 

I'd recommend the album "Bend Sinister" as a place to start.

Dave

    Or Extricate or Shiftwork or Kurious Oranj...all brilliant, and
    available cheap on CD if you are that way inclined.
    
    Mikef
    
    ...or Frenz Experiment also.

    I remember hearing a Fall song a few years back but never caught the
    title. The chorus went something along the lines of:
    
    "Moving it uptown, uptown, uptown 
     Moving it uptown................"
    
    Well, I think that was it. Anyone know it? Think it was a single
    a therefore may have appeared on last years(?) singles compilation?
    
    barry.

The `Moving it Uptown' bit comes from the Song `Cab it Up', which is on Kurious
Oranj.  I believe it was part of a double A-Side single.

Recent fall albums are pretty groovy, whereas earlier efforts are verging on the
unlistenable.  The last album `Code Selfish' is a real good one.  The new EP,
`Ed's babe' is really good too, if you can still get it.

Lee

    
    I think Shift-Work and Code:Selfish are definitely the most accessible
    Fall albums.
    
    Trevor

    
    I recommend 'Extricate' as a good starting point 4 people new 2 the
    Fall.It was the first Fall album I heard and I've bought 11 more
    since........'Seminal Live' being the only dodgy one.(IMO)
                                                              
    Mark 

    New Fall releases:  A Peel session compilation called `Kimble',
    featuring 4 tracks (Kimble, Gut of the Quantifier, Spoilt Victorian
    Child and Words of Expectation).  Listened to it this morning, and
    although it's not essential Fall, it's still pretty good.
    
    Also released imminently, new single `Why are people grudgeful?',
    apparently featuring, amongst other tracks, a cover of Sister Sledge's
    `Lost in Music'.  New album to follow in April.
        
    Lee.

             <<< Note 185.44 by POBBLE::COTTON "Jiffy Squid???" >>>
                             -< I am Damo Suzuki >-

    
>    Also released imminently, new single `Why are people grudgeful?',
>    apparently featuring, amongst other tracks, a cover of Sister Sledge's
>    `Lost in Music'.  New album to follow in April.
        
>    Lee.


Shouldn't that read "Lost-uh in Music-uh"??



Stuart

    Been reading the NME Stuart? Love that cartoon on the "Angst" 
    page featuring Mark E Smith.
    
    barry.

    Fall tour annonced today - I'm going to Wolverhampton May 17th.
    
    Anyone notice the self referemce inthe cover version of 'Lost in
    music'.  The original say 'I quit my 9 to 5', MES sing 'I quit my 10 to
    5', a ref to the song Shiftwork ('Its 10 to 5, its shift-uh-work').
    
    Do I qualify as sad trainspotter of the week or what?
    
    Mikef

    
>     Do I qualify as sad trainspotter of the week or what?
    
    I think it's a tie with me, for pointing out that "Kimble" contains the
    line "Why are people grudgeful ?".

    The FAll also play live in Sheffield next Wednesday, as part of the
    Sound City 93 thing.  Will be broadcast live on wunnerful 1fm.  As will
    the Wedding Present on Monday night (and I'm REAL angry coz its sold
    out - grrrrrrrrr).
    
    Anyone know the release date of the new Fall lp.  very excited - ah.
    
    Mikef
    
    

    Did anyone tape the Sound City thing on Radio 1 last night?  I missed
    The Fall, and would love a copy of thier show.
    
    Thanks in advance....
    
    Mikef (7 851 2930, mike fiddler @olo)

    
    Bugger. I missed it too.

    I got the new album, The Infotainment Scam, a couple of weeks ago. It's
    more accessible than even the last couple of albums, but still
    recognisably the Fall. 

    For hardened fans, it's a bit disappointing in that Mark E doesn't get
    any decent  "-uh-"s in until track five (It's a Curse-uh), but this
    track makes up for it with some excellent lines: "I do not like your
    tone. It has ephemeral, whingeing aspects". "Vimto and Spangles were
    always crap". There's also couple of loopy cover versions (Lost in Music,
    Going to Spain), and some more typical Fall stuff (League of
    Bald-Headed Men, Glam-Racket etc). 
    
    8/10.

    Trevor

    
    Pointless correction #32:
    
    The album is actually called The Infotainment Scan (not Scam). 

That's a weird title (but this is The Fall). "Scam" seems to make much
more sense. Or is my reaction simply too boring and over-rational?


Rod

    
    I thought scam was better too - probably why I'd been mis-reading it
    that way for a couple of weeks..

    New live lp-ah!
    
    Its one of those BBC in concert CDs, saw it for 8.99 in HMV, looked
    like it had a good track listing, which I can't remember at the moment,
    probably recorded a couple of years ago.
    
    Mikef
    
    

    New three track ep by the Fall out on November 29th.
    
    Ah.
    
    Mikef

    
    New album due in March, new Peel session next saturday on Radio 1, this
    weeks Glasgow concert is being recorded for broadcast in a couple of
    weeks time, and Mark E Smith guests on the new Inspiral Carpets single
    (which is actually very good!).
    
    Mikef

Where did you read this and do you know which date and where this concert is?

Thanks Graeme

    Sorry - just heard it on Peel.  I'll have a look thru the NME at
    lunchtime for stuff.
    
    Mikef

    Anyone know when the new Fall lp is due?   I thnk its next monday.  i
    hope so, I could use a 'cheer me up' treat.
    
    Mikef

    Just picked up the new Fall single - fifteen ways, on 10" clear vinyl
    (anyone remember vinyl?), and very good it is too.  The A side is OK,
    but nothing special, the B side is excellent tho.  Hey Student rattles
    along, and is totally Palace of Swords reversed-tastic.  $500 bottle of
    wine is a wierd slow one.  I haven't a clue what MEs is on about here,
    but its good stuff.  Ah.
    
    Mikef -uh

    New Fall lp next Monday - Middle Class Revolt.  Also a Fall concert on
    Peelie this friday night.  ah.
    
    Mikef

    The sweet smell of warm rain on freshly mown grass and a new Fall lp. 
    Is there anything else one could ask for?
    
    Mikef

    Kathy Ireland ???
    
    
    
    Rich.

    Yes please... I'll take two! :->
    
    Rick

    New Fall album due next monday, called 'Cerebral Caustic'.  The stuff
    I've heard on the radio has been very good - a return to a more noisy
    stomping sound, and Brix is back on guitars (dunno how long for tho).  
    
    Mikef

    Saw the Fall last night for the 14th time in the last 12 years and they
    were dreadful. They played Glasgow tech to only 200/250 people and had
    a terrible sound and played really badly. They had this woman singing
    two songs that were crap and you couldn't hear her plus Brix guitar was
    so badly out of tune that it was painful to listen to and they also
    stopped in midsong twice because they didn't seem to know what was
    going on. I couldn't believe it was the same band that were brilliant
    at Pheonix last year. I'll put it down to a bad one-off but at times
    I thought it looked like a band on the verge of self destruction.
    That would be a sad loss...

    bad news...MES seems to be aiming wild these days...
    
    
    Damo Suzuki

    There is a new Fall single out soon - although I have no idea when - The
    Chiseller.  A new lp also - Sinister Waltz I think its called - which
    is a compilation of bits n bobs.  
    
    Mikef-uh
    
    

    Well, the new Fall single - The Chiseler - is out...(I'm sure its spelt
    like that on the cover).  Its pretty spiffing, and very odd.  The cover
    says that it 'refers to recent events at Halifax football club' - I
    don't suppose anyone out there has any idea what events these are?  
    
    Also worth getting to hear Brix shout 'Pink Floyd are short'.  No, I
    have no idea why she thinks they are short...
    
    Mikef
    

    Mikef,
    Halifax are Mr Smiths chosen football team. A couple of seasons ago
    they were dropped from the league.(can you clarify anything here
    Stratto?) They keep "chiseling" away perhaps? Who knows with Mark E    
    Smith-uh!
    
    
    				Stretch.

    re-1
    
    Stretch,
    
    You mean that there is a footie team you don't follow? Blimey. 
    
    Yes, Halifax are currently plumbing the depths in the GM Vauxhall
    Conference and are apparently quite close to going out of business.
    
    Stuart

    Thanks footballing dudes.  
    
    mikef

    
    
    How about trying to put together a complete Fall discography because
    I'm beginning to lose track of everything especially all these compos &
    outakes albums that are coming out