Conference marvin::uk_music

    I'll start the ball rolling...
    
    Whiter Shade of Pale - Procol Harem
    
    The Birdy Song - (Don't know who by and don't care!)
    
    Will think of somemore later.
    
    Mazzer
    

    smoke on the water - the purps
    stairway to heaven - the zeps
    the last 14 qu**n singles
    
    Check the Records conference, note 425, for loads more real cr*p
    
    Bob

    "Stairway to Heaven" - Ded Zep
    "Push It" - Salt 'n' Pepa
    "Smokin in the Boys' Room" - Brownsville Station (?)
    
    - Dan

    
     Goodness,I've seen a couple of my favvies in there,SOTW and Smokin'
    in the boys room ?????
    
     Anyway,the only song I used to turn the radio off for was by Niel
    Reid and was called Mother of Mine...it wiz dddiiiirrrrreeeee!!!!!!
    
    Cheers...mcb
    

    all those rap records -- yyyyyuuuucccccKKKKKKK
    
    mark

    Bl�� �yst�r C�lt, "D�n't F��r th� R��p�r".  Hateful.
    another vote for "Stairway...", even tho' I own the album.
    "Don't Worry, Kyoko (Mummy's Only Looking for her Hand in the Snow)",
	or anything at all by Yoko.

    More later.

    /joe

    more:

    "Da Doo Ron Ron", Shaun Cassidy.
    "The Devil Went Down to Georgia", Kenny Rogers.
    "A Fifth of Beethoven", who knows and who cares.

    /joe

	"Knights in White Satin" never reaching the end

	"Relax" don't play it!

    Does anybody remember
    
    	I love America - Patrick Jovet (or something like that) oh crap
    					there goes me breakfast again.
    	Anything at all by Foreigner.
    	All Bee Gees songs.
    
    
    
    By the way whose idea was this note? I'm feeling really ill now.
    
    
    		Steve.

    re .7  Try Nights in White Satin by the Dickies - they totally murder
    it by turning it into a chunk of buzzsaw punk with tuneless vocals.
    Youll never feel the same about those pompous pr*ts the moody blues
    again
    
    Bob

    Anything by Rick Asstley,
    The birdie song
    star trekking (start wrecking was much better spoof)
    Day trip to Bangor
    
    To name but a few,.
    
    	UUUUurrrrrrrrrpppppp..... rrrraaaaallllfffff hheeeeuuuuuuuuueeeeeyy.

    
    
    Anything by the PET SHOP BOYS
    
    
    	Grub....

    
    The Birdy Song, Agadu-du-du (aaaarrghhh!!), anything by Marry Banilow,
    again anything by Rick Assly, anything by some cute little unknown
    12 year old ( eg Lena Zavaroni), Julio Inglesias, I could go on,
    but I won't..
    
    				Si 

    How about :
    
    Almost all Christmas number one's including Shakin' Stevens and
    that "Grandma" song ...
    Bryan & Michael - Matchstick People
    Shutupayaface
    Day trip to Bangor (mentioned before, but one of my all time hates)
    "Ring My Bell" - a summer number one from 1979 (forget who)
    Peters & Lee - Welcome Home
    Max Bygraves - Deck of Cards
    Billy Swan - I can help (used to hate it, but not so much now)
    Lionel Ritchie - Hello
    Culture Club - Karmawhatsit
    UB40 - Red Red Wine
    Wings - Mull of Kintyre (an absolute dirge - Girls School is great)
    Boris Gardner - Just don't want to be lonely (the orginal was
    excellent)

    Rick Astly I have to turn the radio off and he makes me feel sick
    when hes on the telly.
    Barry Manalow   Mum thinks hes great so I got rid of her LP's
    
    trouble

    Ring my bell, was by Mary Ward, I think!! Hmmmmm!!!

    
    
	Let's here it once more for 'the Birdy Song', add to it -
    
    	Yes Sir I can Boogie - Baccara
    	Grandma we love you - St. Winnifred School Choir
        Two little Boys - Ralf Harris
    	Barcelona - Freddie Mercury + some spanish bint
    	Live is Life - some Austrian eejits 
    	Ru-uby, don't take your love to town - Kenny Rogers
    	Coward of the County - Kenny Rogers
    	If I said you had a beautiful body - Bellamy Bros
    	Do do do the Funky Chicken - the Goodies
    	Mi-i-ss-i-ss-i-ppi - Pussycat
    	Like a Virgin - Maradonna
    	Pass the Dutchie - Musical Youth
    	
    	that's all for now, more when I need it. This is better therapy than
    	a psychiatrist, I feel much better now.
    
    	Doug.

    green green grass of home - tom jones
    anything by chipmunks, pinky and perky, plus birdy song and that
    other "here_we_are_another_load_of_Brit_pr**s_in_Spain_so_lets_
    sing....Viva Espana"

    Anything by Demis Roussos - particularly after his performance with
    Dame Edna on tv last week.
    
    Boy - did he look bewildered!!!
    
    andy
    

    re .15
    
    YOU B***ARD!!!!!!!!!
    
    Id have had those Manilow albums! Throw them away!! How could you???
    
    Please, no more mention of Rick Astley, Manilow, Birdy song, Agadoo,
    etc. - they dont count cos *everyone* hates em
    
    Bob
    

    WOT, no mention of the European Song (?) Contest ??
    
    How could anyone leave anything from that trash out of a note like
    this !!
    
    ...and it was ANITA Ward who rang the bell...or didn't for most
    of us !
    
    Almost anything by the Communards gets my vote.

    re .17
    
    Do the funky CHICKEN? *CHICKEN*??
    
    Its GIBBON...
    
    Sacrilege 8^)
             *8=()     
    
    Ian

    
    
    Hows about...
    
    Tie a yellow ribbon( round the old oak tree)
    Kung Fu fighting
    Anything by Jonathan King****
    Happy Birthday
    My Piano (diana ross) --"I really,really hate that one"
    Anything by Brotherhood of man ( sorry Steve !?)
    AND
    
    	Nobody mentioned John Ravolting or Cliff Richard... WOW !
    
    Gru�
    
    John

	Couldn't keep out any longer ..... agree with most
	already mentioned esp. Euro_song_trash eeeuugghh!!


	I really really really *hate* *anything* by the
	most dull of bands ever 

	The Smiths - yeuuucccchhhhh pah pah dull dull dull

	Does morrissy sing or is the drone made by bees ???

	woof bark meow

    Somebody said Johnathon King, 
    
    			There goes my lunch aswel!!
    
    
    
    	Dear Jane,
    		If you ever say anything nasty about the Smiths again,
    I'm going to cry, and you don't want so see a semi-grown man cry
    now, do you?
    
    		Steve.

    To add to the list:
    
    Johnny Hates Curiostiy Killed the Wet Wet etc.
    
    YUPPIE FODDER
    
    Tony.

    re.25
    > YUPPIE FODDER
   
    I am *not* a yuppy!
    
    Sue

    
    Neither am I!!!
    
    Mazzer
    

    
    'Labelled in Love' by Squeeze....I can't stand it :-(.....come to
    think of it I don't really like anything by Squeeze......
    
    and yes, I agree, 'Whiter Shade of Pale' is dreadful.......
    

    Can we keep it to specific songs and not general "I hate Bruce
    Springsteen"-style banter please ?
    
    Some more from me :
    
    Don McLean - Crying
    Detroit Spinners (?) - Working my way back to you
    Peaches and Herb - Reunited
    Europe - The Final Countdown (we're heading for Venus - I ask you)
    Diana Ross - Chain Reaction (more Bee Gee fodder)
    Michael Jackson - She's out of my life
    Boystown Gang - too awful to remember the title
    Dexy's Midnight Runners - Come on Eileen (possibly my all time hate)
    Survivor - Eye of the Tiger (a close second)
    
    This is definitely good for the soul - must think of some more.

	How about 'Drop the boy' by Bros ?? Drop The Band I reckon..

							Graham

    
    
    How about
    
    Jimmy Osmond 'Long Haired Lover from Liverpool'
    
    and
    
    Barry Manilow 'Copa Cabana' (Not a clue how it is spelt!)
    
    Mark.

    More votes for Survivor and Europe - really unbelievably bad.
    	And its got to be said for one of the most unimaginative attempts
    at a record,
    
    		Springthing - Born in the USA.

    
    re. 32
    
    try listening to the lyrics !
    

    A song has to make you want to listen to it. When I hear 'USA' all
    I hear is 'Born in the USA' about a million times. Then I turn the
    radio off.
    
    Tony

    
    	S'more -
    
    	Save your love my darling just for me - Rene and Renata 
    	I've got a brand new combine harvester - The Wurzels
    	?? can't remember - The Smurfs and Father Abraham
        If - Telly Savalas
    	
    	Doug.

    Mooouuuldy old doo
                       o
                         o
                           o
                             o
                               ughh!

    
    "Jump up and down and wave your knickers in the air" - St Cecilia
    
    Even worse than "Mouldy old doe"
    
    - Paul -

    John J

    re .36  >> "Mouldy old Doe"
    is this a dead rabbit thats been left outside too long?
    sorry

    
    
    .............Anything by Meatloaf....I guess you like him or you
    don't....I, for one, don't.
    
    Mai Mai

    A few from the current chart
    
    'Dont push it' - Salt and Pepa  (God, that makes me retch)
    The current single by that BSVP group, y'know where he drones on
    about loving her and making her his wife.  UKKKKKK
    
    'The Locomotion' -	Kylie

    RE:25
    
    Theres nothing wrong with wet wet wet They're great
    
    I really hate Wen will I be Famous by Bros  The'l never be famous
    
    trouble

    What about the "Smurph Song" by Father Abrahams - YuK,
    0r "The Floral Dance" by Terry "plonker" Wogan.
    
    They make me wanna Puke !.
    
    Steve R

    re Bros
    Sorry, Trouble, they already are famous. Hopefully tho, theyll burn
    themselves out in 3 months like so many others.
    I owe You Nothing is, I feel , their worst yet.
    
    Bob

    Just thought of a few more:-
    
    Lay Lady Lay - Bob Dylan (next to Whiter Shade of Pale this is
                              real Huueey material!!)
    
    True - Spandau Ballet
    
    Purple Haze - Hendricks
                                                    
    Anything by Bros, Kylie Minogue, Sinitta (AArrgghhhh)
    
    Oh that feels so much better - I must do this more often!!
    
    Mazzer
    

    
    
    	And what about the most disgusting eurocrap record ever made,
     by a couple of Germans,  "louie louie louie" or sumat like that
     The "duo" call themselves "Modern Talking" ....i've wrecked six
     radios and one hi-fi system cos this records been on !!!
    
    
    
    		Grub...

    I think this is getting such a popular topic and I'm enjoying it
    so much and I'm one of the moderators - I have a proposal.
    We should have a (brief) competition to see the most hated
    record of all time.   However let's make life simple and rather
    than including every record ever made let's restrict it to say
    number ones from the last say ten years [fellow moderators ?]
    I for one am keen to know the ten least favourite number ones.
    
    Comments ?

    Its got to be "Star Trekking".
    
    An exchange student was visiting my sister at the time and I remember
    her ( my sis) being really embarrassed that dross like that could
    top the charts here.
    
    Ian.

    What about the P*t Sh*p B*ys version of You Were Always on my Mind?
    Partly because it stands on its own as a pile of cr*p, but also
    because it kept the wonderful Fairytale of New York out of the 
    No. 1 spot last xmas
    
    Bob
    
    P.s. you cant get much worse than I should be so Lucky by Kylie
    Thingie.

    What about that awful 'Shaddup ya face' by Joe Dolce.
    
    pass the bucket

    
    DEC have'nt designed a disk with enough space for all the song I
    hate,detest,dislike ....
    
    "Angry Young Man of Pop"
    

    
    
    I've got some more...both number ones and ...
    		one is in the weepy note...Paaaaaaah ! Tee hee!
    
    Seasons of the sun	- Terri Jacks
    
    Johhny don't do it (???? i can't rememember) - Paper Lace 
    
    John

>>< Note 174.52 by MUNTRA::TOWNSHEND "Fear & Loathing in M�nchen..." >
>>                             -< Pre-punk rubbish >-

>>      Johhny don't do it (???? i can't rememember) - Paper Lace 
    
 	It was "Billy don't be a hero" .... I remember it on ToTP

	"Billy don't be a hero - don't be a fool with your life"
	"Billy don't be a hero - come back and make me your wife "

	yeuk yeuk yeuk - I could kill for being reminded of this - I can't
	get it out of my brain now !! :-( :-(

	woof bark meow

    Thanx Jane I cant get it out of my head now GRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNGGGHHH!
    
    Phew! thats better................ but whats this.....?
    
    Knock three times on the.......AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!
    
    Bob

    
    
    Fatal attraction (or something along those lines) - Tina Turner. 
                                                     

    Thanks Bob....
    
    "Knock three times on the.......
    ceiling if you want me whoooaa twice on the pipe if the answer
    is no o o o o ohhhhh my sweetheart( bang, bang, bang,) means  
    I'll meet you in the hall way twice on the pipe means you ain't
    gonna show wo wo wo."
    
    Ain't it amazing how you always remember the words to the songs
    you HATE.......
                         
    Wish I hadn't started this topic now :-) :-) :-)
    
    Mazzer
    

    
    "Last Christmas" by George Michael/Wham
    
    "Born to Run" by Sprue Stingbeme
    
    "Matchstick Men and Matchstick Cats and Dogs" by someone best
    forgotten.
    
    Everything by Plastic Betrand , Shakin' Stevens , Smamfa Fox ,
    Sabrina , Duran Duran and of course , the inimitable Wurzel Gummidge
    (that's Wurzel with a Z and Gummidge with a Gummidge) .
    
    John J
    

    How about...
    Annies song		John Dunfor
    *?@$%!)(*&^		Sick Psych Spitnit
    
    

    
    	Why not start a note about "one hit oneders (sp?)"
                      
    	There are so many....                             
    
    
    		Grub.....

    OK team - I shall try and remember to bring my Guiness Book of
    British Hit Singles to work on Monday and if I do, I'll type
    in the number ones from the last ten or so years.   We'll then
    have a brief competition (next week only) when votes will be
    collected and awards dished out.

    "Pass the dutchie" (sp?) - Musical Youth.
    
    I lost my breakfast on this one.

    Jeeeeeezzus!!
       I have just read straight through the last 63 topics (The men
    in white coats will be arriving to take me away soon!)  I would
    like to thank everyone who has contributed to this Note, I now have
    a head full of the most cr*p records ever made, a few of which I'd
    never heard of, a few I wish I'd never heard of and most I hope
    I never will hear of again!!!!
       
       My personal stomach churners are:
     Anything from the classic sixties music that has been "re-mixed"
    and re-released (*For"re-mixed" please read "destroyed")
      Joe Le Taxi - by that horrible French thing (Can't remember her
    name)
      Anything by The Smiths, The Cure and all the rest of that depressing
    dross!!

re: .52 and .53

>>      Johhny don't do it (???? i can't rememember) - Paper Lace 
    
>> 	It was "Billy don't be a hero" .... I remember it on ToTP

That's interesting. In the U.S., Paper Lace recorded "Billy Don't Be A
Hero", but it only got to like #97 on the cahrts. Another group
(I can't remember who - Bo ??? and the Heywoods?) took "Billy Don't Be
A Hero" to #1 in the U.S.

BUT - revenge is sweet! Paper Lace had a #1 hit just a month later with 
an even worse song - "The Night Chicago Died" !

Remember - 

"Daddy was a cop, 
 On the East Side of Chicago
 Back in the bad old days
 Back in the USA"

What utter trash!!!  8^)

Alan S.

    I caught myself singing "I should be so lucky; lucky, lucky, lucky.."
    to "Together forever, Forever together, Forever together, Together,
    forever ...".   Am I sick doctor ?

    re.66 & .67

    All time hates??  Here's tow of the worst one form each side of
    the Atlantic, its a wonder I didn't think of them straight away,
    (maybe my Psychiatrist had done a good job after all - still its
    all undone now!) 

    
    	and the American contender is 
    				Madonna,
    
    		but the winner and possibly the most consistent producers
    of absolutely stupid records, from London
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    		Chaz and Dave..
    			       .
    				.
    				 .
    			      

    Ouch - I had forgotten about C+D.   I once had to endure a live
    broadcast of their's from the Hexagon in Reading - still recovering.

    I don't think anyone has mentioned

    
    Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree (tony Orlando)
    
    You'll never walk alone (Gerry and the Pacemakers)
    
    
    I wish I hadn't now......
    
    andy
     

    
    Any Hip-Pop (especially by Derek B)
    
    Current 'stomach-wrenchers' are Glenn Mederous, the afore-mentioned
    Salt & Pepper with 'Push-it', anything by Dros, Kylie .... basically
    most of the current chart stuff (has it ever been this bad ???)
    
    Tony
     

72 replies and not a mention of Rolf " ooh ah ah ooh ah" Harris with 
"Two little boys" yet ..... arghhhhhh.

Tony.

    
    
    Can't remember if its been mentioned yet, but I heard it on the
    radio this morning and it's still disgusting.......
    
    	COME ON EILEEN !!!  - Dexy's Midnight Runners.
    
    
    
        Y     Y      U     U      K     K         !
         Y   Y       U     U      K    K         ! !
          Y Y        U     U      K  K           ! !
           Y         U     U      KK             ! !
           Y         U     U      K  K            !
           Y          U   U       K    K
           Y           UUU        K     K         !

    
    
    Nev...

    Look here Adair you cad! Leave Rolf out of this note!
    His classic two little boys deserves pride of place in the Lumps
    note and on every record player in the land.
    No more knocking of this, one of the milestones of modern pop music
    please, otherwise its pistols at dawn time!
    
    Bob
    
    p.s. ROLF - it even sounds like chucking up. The two little boys
    should have been called Bert and Huey. GAG!

    
    All time hates ?? GOTTA be either RA, or currently YAZZ AND THE
    PLASTIC PR**KS.
    
    -Tony

    
    
    re. 76 - c'mon, don't be evasive.
    
    
    
    

    RE:76
    
    I agree that lot should have been put out of their missery years
    ago.
    
    
    Trouble

    A whole load of replies have been moved from here to a more
    appropriate new note 206.
    
    McR

    Would have to agree, said he listening to some rather snappy jazz mosec
    just now. Of course the origin is America, in fact A friend gets some
    great tapes from the all day/nightjazz shows in the states.
    
    But since this note is about pet hates. I'll have to go away and
    draw up my list of hated bands.

    				Gru�
    					Mark

     
    Another vote against everything by Rick ASSTLEY.
    	Ciao.

    
    "Some Like It Hot" - The Power Station
    "The Captain of her Heart" - Double
     
    There are loads of others that don't spring to mind ata the moment.
    
    Dom
    

    Rasputin.........Boney M
    
    "Rah Rah Rasputin 
     Lover of the Russian Queen, etc"
    
    Presto Barfo
    
    For that matter, anything by Boney M (Excuse me if Disco is totally
    discounted as music and shouldn't be condsidered in this notes file)
    
    Bill from Canada

    
    	In a bad mood today -
    
    	HEAVY METAL, HEAVY METAL, and of course let's not forget
    	HEAVY METAL (anyone out there got gothic fonts??).
    
    	Doug.(takes it calmly and serene)
    
    	P.S. Is there a future for HM now that Staus Quo have called
    	it a day(or have we yet another comeback).

    Must admit, I really do dislike Heavy Metal. But then its really hard
    to pin-point what exactly is Heavy Metal. I would put Status Quo as the
    forerunners of Heavy Metal, but then dump things like The beasty boys
    into that group. Heavy Metal to me, sounds like uncoordinated 'load'
    noise. 

    				Gru�
    					Mark... (A REAL music fan)    

    
    
    	AAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!
    
    		This kind of talk will make a lot of people
    	in the Heavy_Metal notes conf. very angry, including
    	me.
    
    
    The MoshDuck.  Slam Dancin' my way to the top!!!
    

    
    RE 174.87, 174.88
                  
    If you are easily offended please do not read on.  The remains of
    my note concerns the 'persons' who wrote the above mentioned replies.
                                                                        
                                                                         
    ** FLAME ON **                                                       
                                                                        
                                                                         
    You must be stupid.  If you think that Status Quo are the founders   
    of the GREAT Heavy Metal (Yes you do spell it with capitals, putz,   
    and yes it is GREAT) then YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT MUSIC.
                                                            
    Ever heard of Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Hendrix ??? 
                       
                 
    ** flame off **
                 
                     
    If it is all "crap" or rubbish, then why are thousands of people
    of ALL AGE (no, not just acne infested, greasy haired druggies)
    buying records, going to see gigs, buy videos etc..  
                                          
    True, we all do have personal music tastes, Christ, if I had a �1 
    coin for everytime that's been mentioned in this conference I'd be
    rich, but its true.  Its a free country, we can listen to what we
    like, and we don't have to take this crap from *YOU*.
                  
    Please don't reply with "count to 10" or any other such patronising
    comments.  I'm not in the mood for that rubbish.      
    
    -Tony Dallison (A Heavy Metal fan AND PROUD)
    (7)899 - 5244                             
                                              
    (if anybody would like to discuss this matter further the contact me 
    OFFLINE, either on the phone, or via mail.  I don't wish to fill
    your conference up with my opinions). 

    RE: .87 & .88
        
    	It's very hard for me to believe that you people have closed
    minds to HEAVY METAL.  METALmusic  is  the  drive, where regular
    blas� music merely follows.  
    
    	Now don't get me wrong, since I can listen to  the  best  of
    Bach, Rachmaninov(sp) or (since I'm not  in  HM, I  can  say  it
    here) Country Western. (Read  that  METALheads ! :^))  Does that 
    mean I would gladly lump  UK_MUSIC  into  the  constant `Top-40'
    (Barf.....cough, cough) catagory of over-played vinyl diarrhea ?
        
    	Closed minds lead to METALhead invasions !  You may remember, 
    but I doubt you'll understand !

    METALord"_let_the_revolution_begin

    REAL music fans wouldn't say something like that about a huge branch
    of music so quickly.  Top 40 stuff will make many H_M noters gag.
    This is probably the stuff that you call real music.  
    
    I love HEAVY METAL.  I love most music.  For God's sake, I have
    the soundtrack to 2001; A SPACE ODYSSEY and listen to that every
    once in a while.  But make no mistake about it, I'd rather be
    headbangin'.  Heavy metal music is a kind of brotherhood/sisterhood.
    It goes alot deeper than just a long haired adult male on stage
    wailing some notes out on stage, and people out in the crowd going
    crazy.  Maybe thats something you fail to see or comprehend.
    Shallowness is a disease.   Maybe you should buy some classic
    H_M tapes, like something from Zepplin and try LISTENING to it.
    
    Maybe you'll {gasp!} hear something you'll like.  We'll work you
    up to Ozzy and Tesla and Queensryche later...
    
    HITMAN (Somewhere in this world, Yngwie is proud of me...)

>>        	It's very hard for me to believe that you people have closed
>>    minds to HEAVY METAL.  METALmusic  is  the  drive, where regular
  
    Hey, hey, hey! Don't tar us all with the same brush just cos a couple
    of contributors (?) have sounded off against HM! I'm not usually
    an HM listener but I have seen Motorhead, Priest, UFO, Maiden and
    others live and have seen some very accomplished musicianship.
    (no thats not meant to be patronising).
    
    People that close their minds to any form of music are only hurting
    themselves - they're gonna miss out on a lot of good sounds.
    
    Lifes too short too worry about what you DONT like - just try and
    listen to as much as possible of ANYTHING!!!
    
    Tony (who listens to anything so long as its sincere)
    

    
    	re 174.90,
    
    	Dear dear dear dear dear dear, my we are touchy today what?,
    	so what you're saying is that it's OK to slag off Rick 
    	(sigh) Astley, but not anything YOU like eh?
    
    	hypocrisy or what?????
    
    	Doug. (who wouldn't call Led Zep heavy metal, and who loves
    	"in through the out door" & "Kashmir" but who also thinks
    	"stairway to heaven" is a mite pretentious (well OK more 
    	than a mite))

    This particular note is dedicated to records/groups whatever makes you
    cringe (all time hates). Personally I find heavy metal **VERY**
    boooorrrriiinnnnnggg. 
    
RE 174.90
    
    I would suggest you learnt to count to twelve (12) before replying
    to notes.
            
>    I don't wish to fill your conference up with my opinions). 

    bye bye

				Gru�
    					Mark (A REAL music fan)    

    
    Doug made a very point, I too hate Heavy Metal. Although bands like
    Deep Purple, Led Zeplin and some others of that era are most certainly
    execptions in my book.
    
    What I refer to as Heavy Metal are bands like Iron Maiden, Saxon
    Def Lepard and other such tone deaf, moronic groups of individuals.
    
    Whilst I would not critisize anyone who appreciated this loud, crash
    bang cats chorus, I can only suggest they listen to it to enhance
    their appreciation of real music. 
    
    
    Cheers 
    Mike Morris
    

>    	Dear dear dear dear dear dear, my we are touchy today what?,
>    	so what you're saying is that it's OK to slag off Rick 
>    	(sigh) Astley, but not anything YOU like eh?

I don't think that is a fair accusation. Yes, it's OK to say you don't like
Rick Astely. It's OK to say you don't like Heavy Metal also. That is 
just part of being an individual. But comments like "I listen to REAL music"
can only offend the listeners of Heavy Metal music, and is so generalized
as to be ridiculous!

I often respect the opinions of others, and their right to express them.
But you should try to do so with respect to others, also.

Alan S.

    
    
    	well, if this particular topic is going to be about 	
    	HATES, then I feel obliged to add my two cents.
    
    	RE: .87, .88, .94
    
    	>> Mark (a REAL music fan)
    
    	A REAL music fan, eh?  To me a real music fan is someone
    	who can appreciate EVERYTHING about music.  I'm the type
    	of person who can start off listening to Bach, put in 
    	Chuck Berry (50's music), then put in Rick Astley, Lisa
    	Lisa, Inxs, Loudness, Krokus, Motley Crue, Sinead O'Connor,
    	Steve Winwood, and start over again with Bach.
    
    	So don't be so quick to say that everyone will shun off
    	Rick (sigh) Astley! Okey doke?  (^8
    
    	And as far as HM is concerned, you're entitled to your
    	opinion, but it was rather close minded of you to not
    	even give it a chance.
    
    	I don't care for Hothouse Flowers, but I was open
    	minded enough to give them a listen first!
    
    	Tig~~ (Kim)
    

	re .97
    
>    just part of being an individual. But comments like "I listen to REAL music"
>can only offend the listeners of Heavy Metal music, and is so generalized
>as to be ridiculous!

>    I often respect the opinions of others, and their right to express them.
>    But you should try to do so with respect to others, also.

	I heartily agree, and I'm sure you'll point out which of my
    	notes contained the offending quote.
    
    	Saying "I don't like HM" is no worse than saying "I don't like
    	Top 40 music" in fact it is LESS generalised, since ""Top 40" 
    	covers a wider range (even the occasional HM song).
    
    	Yours in serenity,
    
    	Doug.
    
    	
     
    	

    RE: .93 
    	I was referring to .87 & .88 - not everyone in the conference.
     
    METALord" (aka - Matt :^))

    
    	re .98
    	
>        	And as far as HM is concerned, you're entitled to your
>    	opinion, but it was rather close minded of you to not
>    	even give it a chance.

	Who said anyone has not given it a chance?? hmmm
    
>    	A REAL music fan, eh?  To me a real music fan is someone
>    	who can appreciate EVERYTHING about music.  I'm the type
>    	of person who can start off listening to Bach, put in 
>    	Chuck Berry (50's music), then put in Rick Astley, Lisa
>    	Lisa, Inxs, Loudness, Krokus, Motley Crue, Sinead O'Connor,
>    	Steve Winwood, and start over again with Bach.
        
    	but then I'd miss out on Blues, Trad Jazz, Fusion, Bebop, 
    	Swing, Free Jazz, C&W, Flamenco and many other musical styles.  
    	
        Doug.

    Suggest everyone reread note 4.2 it's got a very clear message.
    
    Personally I'm always ready to listen to Heavy Metal music.
    Some of the best videos on MTV were from the HM vein. I grew
    up with Heavy Metal and some 30 years down the road I still
    give a listen to Deep Purple,Black Sabbath,Van Halen Led Zeppelin
    etc.BTW there are many different types of HM some of which I like
    and some I don't like just as I have likes/dislikes in New Wave,
    Blues,Traditional Irish,Rock and Country Rock...
    
    Looking back I kinda 'smile' at the platform shoes,bell-bottoms,
    the long hair and the beard that never really got anywhere :-)
    
    HM is still alive and its very hard to beat the athmosphere at
    a live HM gig...good guitar playing,loads of energy and great
    fun...
    
    The person who earlier said that HM music was Moronic should take
    a good look at the present *pop* charts. At least your average HM
    fan can do an oil change on his bike how many YUPPIES can claim
    the same with their Golf GTIs ??? ;-)
                                 
    - Dave K.
        

re: .99

>	I heartily agree, and I'm sure you'll point out which of my
>    	notes contained the offending quote.
    
I agree - you're responses were fine (my apologies!). I was referring to
the opinions expressed by Mark (Grub), whom you seemed to be defending.
It was he that made the comment about "REAL music".

also serenely [if that's possible while being a HM fan 8^) ],
Alan S.

    OK folks - enough's enough.   If you want to carry on a "Heavy
    Metal v. Non Heavy Metal" slagging match please start another note.
    I cannot be bothered to move the previous 20 odd replies to a
    new topic.   Mr Moderator expected better behaviour from fellow
    DECies.   I will be mailing a few of you soon ...

     
    .104 �  I will be mailing a few of you soon ...            
    
          
    gulp......;-)  :-)
                                                      
    
    -Tony_who_feels_much_better_now_he_has_said_his_2�_worth

RE: 174.87 and 174.88

Up until now, I have been just an observer of this conference, gleening
tid-bits of information and scuttle-butt.  However, I feel VERY compelled
to make a comment or two (or three or four) at this time.

$ set flames/mode=high

People who are as narrow minded as you folks hve no place in music.  As with
Mr. Edwards in an earlier note, I will not go into the "Everyone has their
opinion" ga-ga, I would just like to mention a few items of prejudice that I
can't keep to myself. 

First of all, I should probably mention that I am the host/co-moderator
for the heavy_metal notes conference.  I should also mention that I have 
been a musician for most of my life.  I've played different intruments in 
Jazz bands, marching bands, The US Navy Drum and Bugle corps, concert bands, 
and best of all I currently play lead guitar in a heavy metal band.

Probably the thing that irks me more than anything is your generalistic
attitudes; "Heavy Metal is just noise".  Granted, some metal is low quality,
but certainly it does not speak for all metal bands.  I think I've heard
"low quality symphonies" also, so it's not metal, but music right ?  Gimme
a break ! 

I also get the impression that you probably feel heavy metal is meaningless,
and the artists are talentless. Making blanket statements like that bring on
the flames.  I think that artists such as Steve Harris (Iron Maiden), George
Lynch (Dokken), Geoff Tate (Queensr�che), Neil Peart (Rush), Tommy Skeotch
(Tesla) are as talented (if not more so) than any musician you can name; in any
"brand" of music.

Can you honestly say that the late, great Randy Rhodes just made noises on his
guitar ?  I might inform you that Randy studied and taught classical guitar and
music theory.  The man was no dummy; he was a musical genius.  I feel that the
world lost a great man when he passed away.  I think you'll find (if you can
bring yourself out of your little shells and have a listen) that a lot metal
band's music is straight out of the classical books.

Come on people, get with it !  This is 1988, not a time to be close minded ! 
Open up your ears and listen to the music, don't make uneducated, half-hearted
stabs at something you obviously know nothing about.

set flames/mode=normal

Jeff

    This note has been set nowrite.