Conference marvin::uk_music

    
    In the News Letter sent out it states the infomation service has  a
    few tickets left for the Nelson Mandella concert itself. If Interested
    try contacting Craig. 
    
    Marc.

    I recorded the Woburn Abbey Concert on Saturday and then found to my
    horror that the tape drive was not working correctly so the recording
    is naff...  Did anyone record this on Radio 1 and if so would they be
    prepared to do a copy for me?
    
    diana

    oh!
    
    Nobody listened to this then
    
    :(

    Interesting,   
    
    
    There are now four notes about Dire Straits in this topic,  and one
    says that they are Crap!!!!   
    
    
    I think that there is a message here,  even Erasure get more coverage
    that D S.

    <-.1>"Always were poo"
    
    No, I disagree. Knopfler (aka DS) was (and from time to time still is)
    a very gifted lyricicst (not to mentin musician.
    
    However, after nn years it is inevitable that:
    
    1. There is sufficient material to judge later vs. earlier stuff
    2. To some extent a musician repeats hmself
    3. Tastes change and audiences become interested in others
    4. Other performers build on to what the original performers started.
    5. Slop-heads become disenchanted because the performer develops (or
    not).
    
    Knopfler still has the ability to surprise and delight. At the time
    they first became popular, DS stood head and shoulders above the
    mediocrity then around (disco, if my failing memory serves me).
    
    Go away and _listen_ to the lyrics to some tracks on the first album
    such as "Belladonna", "In the Gallery" or "Down to the Waterline", or 
    listen to the lyrics to "Fade to Black" on the last album; 
    
    Then you may have something more interesting to say that " Always were
    poo"
    
    cordialement, martin
    
    
    4. 

    Always guarantees a response that one doesn't it!!!!!
    
    
    It's like slagging off the Royal Family,  of England Cricket Team.
    
    
    What I want to know is When was the last time that Mark Knobfler
    laughed.  (I think that this complaint has rubbed off on some of his
    groupies)  
    
    
    P.S.  It was Mark Knobflop that said that all he did now-a-days was
    please the fans in his music.  If that ain't sellin' out then I don't
    know what is.
    
    
    Nigel- Leader of the Why are Erasure Crap club,  and Now the  God I
    Hate Dire Straits Fans Movement - they always believe what is chundered
    out at them.
    
    
    

    
>     
>     It's like slagging off the Royal Family,  of England Cricket Team.
    
    Actually, I think many people would agree with slagging off both the
    aforementioned institutions.
    
    Let's not resort to a slanging match again, anyway. Can no-one help
    Diana out ?
    
    Trevor

    Which Diana? 

    <68.6> Not sure  what _you_ mean by "selling out". 
    
    Selling out the fans - he is supplying what they want (your quote)
    Selling out his talent - it still comes through; though it's true he 
    frequently uses Knopfler clich�s.
    
    "all he did now-a-days was please the fans in his music"
    
    I understood that "Neck and Neck" and "Missing Presumed Having a Good
    Time" were his response to the above feeling.
    
    And no, I'n not a member of the DS fan club, and have never seen them
    live; I just appreciate well-crafted music by gifted musicians. And
    defining gifted musician is a whole new can of worms each with a "worm
    hole" to go down.
    
    c, martin

�    And no, I'n not a member of the DS fan club, and have never seen them
�    live; I just appreciate well-crafted music by gifted musicians. And
�    defining gifted musician is a whole new can of worms each with a "worm
�    hole" to go down.
 
I wouldn't know about gifted - but I once bowed to peer pressure and borrowed
"Brothers In Arms", seeing as it seemed to be permanently on display in just
about every shop window around... 

Oh dear.Rated as one of the half-a-dozen most boring events in my life, enduring
this...

								- JIM CAD* 

    Dire Straits are Yuppy Music.   End of Story.
    
    Nigel

    You're gonna find them next to microwave ovens,
    Custom kitchens and colour tvs.
    You're gonna find them very boring,
    But they sell lotsa CDs.
    

    I'm glad that I'm not the only one around !!! 8-)

    
    When a band goes on a world tour, attended by up to circa 7M people it
    will always create critizism against that 'success' from those who don't
    appreciate the music that created the bands success.
    
    It is unfortunate, but human nature never the less, that some criticism
    will be aimed personally at band members for doing what they are good
    at and enjoy doing (c 7M peoples idea of 'good') by those who do not
    appreciate the music played.
    
    The next reply might probably say something like their 'enjoyment'
    comes from the money that Philips/Phonogram fill their pockets with.
    To the prospective auther of that note, I hope you soon start to believe
    that, to a lot more people than you realize, there are many more
    satisfying rewards in life than money. eg X0,000 fans, young and old,
    applauding a performance that not only the audience enjoyed listening
    to but the band enjoyed playing.
    
    Jim, knowing your taste in music, I'm amazed you even considered
    listening to any dire straits. Let alone bowing to commercial pressure.
    
    I know two people that recorded the concert but as I'm leaving Reading
    on Saturday, I can't really be of much help to Diana. Anyone else???
    
    Richard

    I have no problem with bands being successful. If 7M people want to
    watch Dire Straits live, then fine for them. 
    
    I don't really care whether Mark and the boys get a kick out of the
    mega-bucks they make, or the ego-trip from having 7M adoring fans; I
    still find them boring these days.
    
    �that, to a lot more people than you realize, there are many more
    �satisfying rewards in life than money. eg X0,000 fans, young and old,
    
    If there's anything more satisfying than dosh, sex, drugs and rock and
    roll, then I want to know about it now :-)
    
    Balders

    No-one knows how good it feels to get paid cash,  for playing music
    infront of an audience that is really into it more than me.  
    
    
    Doesn't stop D S  from being boring,  and frankly very very overrated
    as writers etc.  They (or rather Mark K) do keep many good sesion guys
    in work so that is one good thing.
    
    Nigel - (who has never gigged a Dire Straits song in his life,  and
    won't do as a matter of principle)
    

Rich,

�    Jim, knowing your taste in music, I'm amazed you even considered
�    listening to any dire straits. Let alone bowing to commercial pressure.

That was *way* back, when I was doing my A-levels I think, I wasn't really that
interested in music then, but was just starting to try to find what I liked...
I thought I'd try DS because they seemed to be everywhere and one of my friends
liked them... unfortunately I found the LP *extremely tedious*...

They're just like Bald Collins et al, I don't mind them being mega-famous, just
I can't see why (in DS's case), when the [present] music is so bland. Perhaps a
case of many fans who remember them before??? (I don't know what they were like
before, Bro's In Arms put me off!).

Your answer seems to present inverse bias compared with the ones slagging them
off - my (& others') replies I'm sure, were not aimed at them because of their
success at all. I wouldn't slag off, say, Curve because they're music is pretty
listenable, same for Jesus Jones etc... same for Pink Floyd... but I will slag
off DS because they *are* boring. I'd slag off The Mission too although a
Goth is *supposed* to like them (because they're crap too)...

Hope I said what I meant, although in an incredibly verbose way!

								- JIM CAD* 

    Well said Jim.  My sentiments entirely.  
    
    We have said why we hate them,  would someone like to say why they like
    them.  
    
    
    No,  I thought so.
    
    
    nIgel

>            <<< Note 68.19 by PEKING::BARKERN "Dries in minutes" >>>
>
>    Well said Jim.  My sentiments entirely.  
>    
>    We have said why we hate them,  would someone like to say why they like
>    them.  
>    
>    
>    No,  I thought so.
>

Have you got anything more articulate to say about Dire Straits than they
are "Yuppy Music"? No, I thought not.

Dougie

    RE: .-1      Nice one Dougs.    :-)
    
    Rich - this is going against all my DS loyalties but that 7M figure
    just hasn't materialised apparently. Wasn't the Australia part a bit of
    a downer? And I also hear that they had to cancel South America.
    Although, the South America part had to be cancelled because it was
    going to be too expensive to cart all the gear over there.
    
    On the subject of Brothers In Arms, I agree that the album does become
    tedious after a while. I feel that the older stuff, up to and including
    Making Movies and especially the eponymous debut album, are much more
    lasting. I hardly ever play Brothers In Arms now, but those early ones
    are always near the front of my collection. Haven't got bored of On
    Every Street yet though....
    
    But as MK said in the recent VOX interview, he just doesn't care that
    they haven't reached that 7M target. He's still enjoying himself, and
    so are the fans that do come. All he's worried about is the money it's
    costing him to do it. So if it's costing that much, he must still
    enjoy it, and so good for him.
    
    Dire Straits will always be associated with Yuppies because they were
    an integral part of the CD revolution. Not through their own doing, but
    because their 1985 tour and BIA coincided with the launch of the format
    by Philips, and also because Philips own Phonogram, which is DS' label.
    They were just the best vehicle around to give CD that launch. I wonder 
    how different it might have been if the CD/Brothers In Arms connection
    hadn't been made?   
    
    Dale.

	
    Thank you for all your help.
        
    diana

    
    I sympathise with Diana's comments. Diana asked a perfectly
    straightforward question about a videotape, and got treated to a 
    tedious discussion which by implication maligned her taste in asking
    for the tape in the first place.
    
    This kind of behaviour might conceivably be expected if Diana was a
    regular contributor to this conference (although it would still be
    pretty tedious), but she isn't a regular contributor. To draw a
    parallel, it's quite reasonable to make jokes at your friends' expense,
    but do the same to a stranger in the street, and you'll probably get
    your head kicked in.
    
    Perhaps I should have stamped on this a bit more heavily earlier on.
    You can certainly expect me to do so next time.
    
    Trevor

    I know. A rathole in an employee-interest Notesfile. Whoever heard of
    such a thing.     (OBS)
    
    Dougie
    

    I did write quite a long note to which Trevor replied, but when I
    thought about it I deleted it because I felt upset at what had
    happened.
    
    The essence of my original note follows and this will explain why
    Trevor wrote his note.  I felt very sad that all I wanted was to please
    someone I loved and most of the 'help' was so negative. I had felt that
    whatever somebody asked would be respected and if you couldn't help you
    would just read the next note.  But I would not want to ask in here
    again after this.  That is sad because Digital used to be a helpful
    company and you could feel safe in writing a note, and now you aren't.
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    This is what I had written:
    
    I asked a simple question in a notesfile where I thought I might find
    somebody to help me.  
    
    I never read such a load of rubbish ( well most of it ).
    
    Is this such a clique in here that you criticise people for asking a
    question.  My son was at the concert and I recorded the music for him.
    I was disappointed my recording was not of good quality as I wanted to
    give him a surprise.  He loved the concert - had a wonderful time -
    especially since I gave him his ticket at the last minute within a day
    of his completing his 'A' levels.  It was a day he will always
    remember.  He was very very happy that he went and loved every minute.
    
    That is why I wanted a recording.
        
    I am very disillusioned at this response and the slagging off.
        
    diana
    

    Diana,  May I be the first to apologise for my comments.  I had no idea
    about this,  and I assure you that all my comments would have never
    appeared if I had known.   That doesn't justify my actions at all.
    
    As many have gathered,  and many have not,  I am not a very serious
    person,  and I cannot understand why people  do take life seriously.  I
    know that this can lead to me offending,   and I'm sorry if people
    genuinely take offence by what I say.
    
    Nigel
    
    (being serious for a moment)

    Diana, I would like to second the sentiments expressed by Nigel in
    68.26. Serious questions deserve respect, and saying that I was unaware
    of the importance of the matter is no excuses. I am sorry that this
    behaviour has soured this conference for you, and I apologise for my
    actions.
    
    Clive

Diana, I think perhaps you're being a little hard on the denizens of this
file. I hope that if someone had had the tape you wanted, they would have
offered it to you. If you didn't get it, perhaps no-one had it? Sometimes
Notes isn't as powerful as we would like.

As for slaggings-off, I didn't see you being slagged off directly. I agree
that you could feel insulted by implication, but you know what Notes is
like - any opportunity for a rathole is eagerly followed up.


Rod

    <-.1>
    
    Rod, no I don't feel Diana was hard; we had implied insults (Dire
    Straits = Yuppie = Undesirable); as if _any_ person who works here has
    the right to criticise others for earning a salary, enjoying the
    "benefits" of western society; and we had uninformed, undifferentiated
    criticism (I've listened to Brothers in Arms = boring = all DS is
    boring).
    
    I for one sometimes find the smart-ass responses in notes childish and
    tiresome; my own included.
    
    >any opportunity for a rathole is eagerly followed up.
                                                      ^^^
    Can you "follow up" a rathole?   %^)
    
    c, martin   
    
    
    

    Thank you for the replies. I appreciate them very much.
    
    I know it is difficult sometimes to judge reactions and notes can get
    carried away......
    
    I am afraid I can't actually even listen to Brothers in Arms because it
    makes me misty-eyed just interpreting the words!
    
    We are fools to make war on our Brothers in Arms....
    
    I also like Chris Rea... but maybe I should leave now.......
    
    ps I have all his music so no requests for them.
    
    :)

         <<< Note 68.30 by IOSG::HUNTD "Only a snowflake is perfect" >>>
                                  -< thanks >-

    
>    I also like Chris Rea... but maybe I should leave now.......
    
     Diana,

     Seek urgent medical attention. Its almost works for me.

     Dr Ruth

    No Diana - Chris Rea is perfectly O.K.
    
    Some of my best freinds listen to Chris Rea.
    
    
    
    
    Next week I'm going to visit them when they are moved into less
    oppressive cells.
    
    8-)
    
    
    Joking  as ever  Nigel
    
    
    P.S.  I'll make a few enquiries re. D S Concerts for you.

Hi,
	Is it necessary to justify our discussion, views are views and airing
them makes for interesting participation... I'm sure personal malice or
direction was never intended, nor these "discussion" replies intended as a
direct insult to Diana (or relations)...

	The problem I think is, as someone has said, a Notesfile will usually
get positive-response-only due to people feeling that they should not enter
completely useless notes (which incidentally I don't think a healthy discussion
is). So, if there'd have been a dozen people with the tape, you'd have been
flooded with offers, no-one could offer it - *but* that doesn't mean there
were a dozen simple `No.' entries.

	Strangely, it does take time to accustomise to Notes-environment. I had
just the same "what a clique!" attitude when a simple request (a whole new
topic too) had 0 replies, even after a week... however when I got to know the
people in that conf. I realised that they weren't being snobby, they just
didn't know...

	If you wanna get your own back, slag off Fields of the Nephilim! :-)))

								- JIM CAD*

    God the Fields of Nephilim are total sh......

    "I see this world has made you sad,
     some people can be bad,
     the things they do,
     the things they say.
    
     Why worry?"
    
    ---
    
    I wrote that in a soppy card to a girlie once. Imagine her surprise
    when I ran off and married someone else.
    
    Dougie
    

    RE-1
    
    I'm surprised she didn't run off and marry someone else!
    
    ;-)
    
    Mikef

Dougie,

	Well it beats

	"You have skin like a peach, a rugby pitch"
	"You have eyes like pools, sess pools"
	"You have lips like petals, bicycle pedals"	:-)

	No, I'm not married.

								- JIM CAD*