Conference koolit::disney

I wanna see it!  I wanna see it!!

Do you want my internal mail address?  If so, it's
	Lori Hagen
	MRO4-3/H10

Thanks!!!

� �ori �

    I hate to be a downer, but if the mailroom discovers that a "personal
    videocassette" is going thru internal mail, they may confiscate it.  It
    depends on the mailroom personnel (I worked in one group that regularly
    opened what looked like personal-type mail and KEPT IT!)  
    
    -sandy
    

    I'd like to see it as well.
    
    Kathy Jette
    

    Since, for the last 20 years (whew, time flies!), I've lived
    within 15 miles of Disneyland, I've never had the urge to
    see WDW and the other theme parks until...I joined this
    conference.
    
    This video sounds great! Maybe some of us so cal, west coasties
    could get together and view it. 
    
    By the way, according to Bob Sagett on America's Funniest 
    Home Videos, the cost to mail a standard VHS tape is $2.90.
    
    Put me on the wait list. I'll give my home address to the
    person who wants to send it west.
    
    Cheers,
    Jodi-

    Jodi,
    
    If/When you visit WDW you may never again get the urge to visit DL.
    
    Mike

    I disagree Mike.  I like DL better than MK at WDW.  maybe we need a
    different note to discuss the differences and why people may like
    one park over the other.  I don't disagree that WDW as a whole is
    [currently] larger.
    ed
    

    Mike,

    Just from reading this conference, I've figured that out. 

    I'm hoping Westcot will improve DL's image a bit. And really
    the only reason I even go to DL these days is because I have 
    two kids that go to a summer day camp that includes Disneyland 
    in their field trip itinerary and when my husband and I 
    chaperon, we go for free.

    The thought of doing WDW does tend to overwhelm me though. I 
    think if I were to be able to view a video of it, I would have
    an easier time setting my priorities and "must sees".
    
    Jodi-

    I will admit that DL has it over WDW but that's where it ends. Things
    like ToonTown and Fantasmic would win me over too.
    
    Mike

    Please put me on the list for the video tape. My DTN is 264-9317 in 
    Merrimack,NH. 
    
    regards,
    Barry Nestor 
    

    I would like to view the tape when Barry is finished.  My dtn is
    244-7548.  Mail stop AKO1-3/C13.
    
    I could pick the tape up on my way to work since I pass near Merrimack.
    
    Regards,
    
    Alan

    The tape is off to Lori Hagen.  When Lori is done with it, she
    [hopefully] will post a note syaing where it's off to.
    the list as it appears today is:
    
    ed badger    seen
    lori hagen   in mail to
    Kathy jette  MKO  waiting
    jodi newell  ? waiting
    barry nestor MKO  waiting
    
    perhaps people in same site should pass between them if on list before
    sending off site.
    
    enjoy
    ed
    

    Been back from WDW for only  3 days now and could use a fix already,
    have been going faithfully for 21 years.  Please put me on the list
    Terry Stanley
    NIO facility in Salem NH
    285-3576
    
    Thanks

    >ed badger    seen
    >lori hagen   in mail to
    >Kathy jette  MKO  waiting
    >jodi newell  ? waiting             Jodi Newell @IVO (Irvine, Calif)
    >barry nestor MKO  waiting
    
    

    I would like to see the tape also.  Maybe Jodi and I can view it
    together, we work in the same facility.  Just like Jodi, I live close
    to Disneyland, so whenever I need a Disney fix, its off we go.
    
    linda penn @IVO
    

I got the tape yesterday and viewed it last night. I was real disappointed.
I thought it would show more.  It's just a long commercial for Disney with
a succession of very short, almost-snapshots shown while Lumiere sings "Be Our
Guest".  I was hoping to see more of the hotels, pools, etc. to help me 
decide where to stay next time.  Sort of a mini-tour.  A "Disney Planner"?  
NOT!  At least I got a glimpse of  Splash Mountain.  WOW!

I will send it to Kathy Jette this afternoon. 

- Lori

    Maybe we should discuss the Disney Planner more to help people decide
    if they want to see it. Lori, you may want to tell everyone exactly
    what you expected to see and why you were disappointed.
    
    I can start this discussion by making a few points/observations
    regarding the tape:
    
      - ALthough it's called a "Planner" it falls far short because it
        spends maybe a total of 5 minutes discussing the planning of the
        vacation.
    
      - It's a planner in the sense that it tries to get you to plan to
        stay on the property.
    
      - It's a marketing tool that can hook first-timers but it doesn't
        help them plan pe se.
    
      - The tape lists 13 reasons for staying on the property. Of the 13
        only 6 are valid from what I saw.
    
      - The tape is great for the itis. The -holics will enjoy it but will
        also look at the content as being too superficial.
    
      - I think the video should have been done a bit differently with the
        first part introducing the parks, shows, attractions, etc. The
        second part of the tape should concentrate more on each resort and
        then point out the differences between staying on the property and 
        staying off the property. I would have shown two families; one 
        staying on the property and the other staying off the property and
        highlighted the differences (paying for parking, access to the
        parks, reservations at restaurants, early admission, etc.).
    
      - I think the video should have also discussed how much time to
        allocate on a vacation down there. One woman on the tape says to 
        stay as long as you possibly can but I think a minimum time should
        be specified.
    
      - Finally the tape does not talk about cost and I realize that rates
        change and that they'd have to change the tape every time a rate 
        changed. But they could rank the hotels/resorts in order of
        expensive to economical. They also could discuss admission a bit
        better.
    
    Of course if this video was perfect we wouldn't need this conference 
    would we? The best info is still in here.
    
    Mike

    a teaser, not a planner as I said in .0
    
    It's my kind of tape as it doesn't attempt to ruin the adventure much
    like burham's guide.  I still hate that book.
    
    anyone doing 'planning' activities would not benifit from
    planning activities in the tape.  but it'll get you in the mood.
    ed
    

    Hi,
    
    I'm new to this conference, but would like to take a peek at the
    video, so please add me to the rotation. I'm taking my wife and kids
    (Nick will be 4 on 9/23 and Chris will turn 1 on 10/4), and
    accomodations are being provided from 10/31 thru 11/6 by my in-laws at
    a timeshare resort called "mumble-mumble Westgate mumble-mumble", but
    I still need to make flight arrangements and develop an itinerary for
    the week, and hope that the video can help me with the latter.
    
    I'm located at ZKO1-2/C21, and have access to the IDC courier (Hi Kathy,
    Mike and the other IDCers in MKO!). Thanks in advance.
    
    Now, off to some other related topics...
    
    Freddie

    I agree with Ed ... the name for the video is misleading.  So, use some 
    discretion when viewing or reading these guides. 
    
    The video being passed around was part of the MKC Gold Card promotion.  
    Now I found that a person in our group has booked a package through the 
    MKC and has received a WDW "Vacation Planner" (sponsored by Delta).  I
    haven't watch the video but it appears to be longer (time-wise).
    
    Bill
    
    

    Re: .19
    
    I thought it was the "Planner" not the MKC video, that was being passed 
    around.
    
    Mike

re. 20

>>    I thought it was the "Planner" not the MKC video, that was being passed
>>    around.

So did I. Maybe that's why I was disappointed.  I received a MKC commercial.
Based on the title of this note, (the title on the video I got said "Disney '93"
and in small print "Magic Kingdom Club - Gold Card") I was expecting more (see
below)

re .16

>>    Maybe we should discuss the Disney Planner more to help people decide
>>    if they want to see it. Lori, you may want to tell everyone exactly
>>    what you expected to see and why you were disappointed.

Well, I haven't been to WDW since '86, so much of what they have now wasn't 
there then - like half the resorts, MGM, Typhoon Lagoon, Pleasure Island,
and alot of stuff at EC.  So I was hoping I'd get a look at these newer things.
I expected more of a narrated tour, i.e)

	"Here's the MK. It has five lands, Adventure Land, (show a few rides 
        attractions, eating facilities) Frontier Land, (ditto), Main St. USA,"
        etc.

	"On to Epcot Center, where you can enjoy shows and foods from countries
	like Japan (show some highlights), Mexico, China," etc. "and see the
	ideas of tomorrow in Future World."

	Something similar for MGM, Pleasure Island, and Typhoon Lagoon.

	"Need a place to stay?  How about our newest resort, Dixie Landings
        (pan the grounds, show pool, brief glimpse of room, etc.), or
	the Grand Floridian (ditto)," etc. for each resort.

Each video clip they showed lasted ONE second!  Each resort was allocated 
about 3 video clips, with GF having a couple more. I STILL don't know what the 
newer resorts look like.
    
>>      - ALthough it's called a "Planner" it falls far short because it
>>        spends maybe a total of 5 minutes discussing the planning of the
>>        vacation.

I watched it twice and believe it was more like 60 seconds asking you to call
their vacation planner agents (or whatever) to plan your trip
    
>>      - It's a planner in the sense that it tries to get you to plan to
>>        stay on the property.

Well, they did discuss other places to stay, too.  At least for DL; I don't
remember if it discussed other Orlando hotels.
    
>>      - It's a marketing tool that can hook first-timers but it doesn't
>>        help them plan pe se.

If you are a first timer, you probably have no clue as to what you are seeing.
Like I said, it showed a string of 1 second video clips of various sights in
each park.  I.e. for MK it showed the monorail, carousel, space mountain
BTMR, lots of characters, etc. with no dialog to indicate what the name of the
rides/attractions were.  It briefly discussed a couple of the attractions like 
Splash Mountain, Beauty & Beast, Illuminations, Sorcery In The Skies, 
SpectroMagic; and identified them by name, but most things were a blur and
went unidentified.
    
>>      - I think the video should have also discussed how much time to
>>        allocate on a vacation down there. One woman on the tape says to 
>>        stay as long as you possibly can but I think a minimum time should
>>        be specified.

Actually, they discussed the four day pass and said you'd need at least four
days to see everything at WDW.
    
re. .17

>>    It's my kind of tape as it doesn't attempt to ruin the adventure much
>>    like burham's guide.  I still hate that book.

Well, I like to see as much as possible.  I loved Birnbaum's guide.  It helps
the -itis.  When I was a kid and WDW first opened, they had a special on The
Wonderful World of Disney that toured the MK, and it took you on all the rides
etc.  I thought it was great!  Admittedly, when I finally made my first trip 
to MK, I felt I had been there before because I had seen everything before (on 
TV).  But a planner doesn't need to be that detailed to still be useful.

Maybe someone out there has the real Planner they'd be willing to circulate?

� �ori �

    Has anyone thought of making a Disney Noters Planner?  I'm sure that if
    someone got together a bunch of Video Tapes from other noters
    and put it together on cassette, we would have a terrific planner. 
    Maybe Disney could use it as an advertisement...I can see it now, Mike
    Scopa celebrating his birthday at the Hoop DE Doo Review as an opening
    shot...It could work.  Do we have any Video Experts out there?  I would
    love to see what some of the regular noters look like.  How about it. 
    Is it worth the try?

    I like the idea!  I have two VCRs amd could easier put something
    together.
    I'll throw out this idea,  mail a vcr tape with pointer to the section 
    you want to contribute to the McDecDisney tape, and in return receive
    a copy of the finish product  on your tape.
    any other ideas?
    ed
    

    Ed, 
    
    What a good idea.  Can we add music to the Tape?  I don't have a Video
    Recorder but I will contribute a Tape.  Just let me know where to send
    it.  Thanks for the support.  
    
    Is there anyone else willing to contribute?
    
    Rose East

    since this is a note for the other video, I started a new note to talk
    about this new venture.  pls take conversation over there.
    ed
    

    If the original tape is still available for viewing, I would love to
    see it.  I'm in Canada however and I don't know if there are special 
    considerations for customs.  Anyway, my address is:
    
    		Denise Bogart
    		2 Constellation Cres.
    	 	Nepean, Ontario
    		Canada
    		Internal Mail - OTO 7/1
    
    
    		Thanks,
    		  Denise
    		

    If the original tape is still available for viewing, I would love to
    see it. My address is:
    
       Vinit Patel
       3 Martin Circle
       Hudson, MA
       U.S.A.
       Internal Mail - HLO2-2/E10
    
       Thanks,
       Vinit 

    Please add me to the list as well.
    
    Robert Lefebvre
    3100 N. Ballard
    appleton Wi 54911
    

    Count me in on the planner
    
    Dennis Vano
    DTN 276-8921
    OGO1-1/G13
    
    Much Appreciated

    
    
    
    During a commercial break for the Disney-Nancy Kerrigan
    ice skating special the other night, Disney advertised
    a number to call to receive a free Vacation planner for
    families.
    
    I suspect that this is much of the same material as on
    previous Disney planners, but from the commercial it
    appeared to be updated anyway.
    
    The number was: 1-800-392-9494.
    
    I called about an hour after the commercial and got 
    through to a real person (previous vacation planner
    numbers that I've called were voice-mail menus) who
    asked me a number of questions like my age, how many
    times I'd visited WDW before, when I planned to visit
    again, how many kids under 13 yrs old, how many 13-18,
    etc.  Took less than a minute.  He said it would be
    sent out in 7-10 days.
    
    I don't know how long they'll keep this video offer
    active for - so if you're interested you should 
    probably call soon.
    
    If I remember, I'll post a note to briefly describe
    how its different than previous vacation planners.
    What interested me most was that they made a point
    of saying that this one was for families.  
    
    Gary
    

    Thanks for the number, my son has been watching for it so he can get 
    the video.  It is NOT a Disney number.  Disney subcontracts the
    business to this answering service.  They also subcontract for a travel
    agency and will....... you get the message.  Since I told them I was
    planning a visit in December, I got moderate pressure to have a
    'planner' call me to help me prepare my trip.
    
    video should be here in 7 days.
    
    btw, big tip off that it wasn't Disney answering the calls was that
    they didn't recognize my voice, and my name didn't pop up when my tel #
    was given.  ;-)
    ed
    

I just called too.  "Due to the large number of calls" they are no longer 
speaking to everyone.  I was lead through a series of questions to give them
my information.  I had to speak my name and address, and enter digits through
the touch-tone keys for questions about my age, the number of trips to WDW 
I've taken, and the year of the last trip.  They asked if there were kids in
my household and whether I'd be traveling to WDW with kids.  The only other 
things they asked were if they could contact me again to make sure that my
video arrived (nope) and whether I wanted to have someone call me to help
plan my trip (nope).  It promised the video would arrive within 12 days.

						Tracy

    We just received ours on Wed. I haven't reviewed it yet, but my wife
    said it was useful info. We'll see this weekend.
    
    This must be a costly advertisement as they are actually sending a tape
    and brochures out.
    
    
    Jim
    

    
    Well, just wanted to mention that I did receive my Disney Vacation
    Planner for Families.
    
    Much of it was the same as on previous videos though it did show a
    few of the newer things at Disney like Alien Encounter, but no
    Blizzard Beach yet.
    
    Included inside was a "coupon" for National Car Rental.  For now
    until 3/31 I believe you can get a National subcompact for $99
    using one coupon.  The other coupon was for a free two-class
    upgrade on a rental car.  It started where the other left off
    4/1/95 I believe and I can't recall how far out in time this
    offer was good for other than to say that it applied to my
    time of interest - May 6-14.
    
    There was also a small WDW brochure on the hotels and a couple
    of different vacation package deals.
    
    All in all not bad for free, but if you've seen previous Disney
    planners there wasn't a great deal of difference.  Content was
    essentially the same though they used a number of different shots
    of the hotels.
    
    Gary