Conference 7.286::golf

    I thought last year's new shirts were good for this year and on?!?!?

    re: .1
    
    	What...how do you expect the PGA/SPGA to make any money if
    they let you use the same outfit year after year????...{;^)
    
    

    As a matter of fact the Tour gets no money at all from the uniforms.
    
    The Tournament (the Classic) buys the shirts from the clothing vendor
    not from the Tour.
    
    Don
    

I have a relative who would like to (play?) golf in this open. How would he
go about signing up/registering to be a participant? Not being an enthusiest
myself (although I have ENJOYED the few games of golf I have played), I'm
just not sure where to point him or how (as a DECie) I can get more
information for him. Help?

Carl

PS. The moderator should feel free to move this entry to a better topic if
my entry here is not appropriate.

    
    re Carl.
    
    The Amatures who play in the event are mainly DEC-customers. So unless
    your relative is a DEC customer, then I'll be tough to get him  in the
    event.
    
    Mike

    To play in the Classic he must qaulify or be an exempt player.
    
    Since you are asking the question I suspect he needs to qualify. To
    obtain the application please have him contact the tournament office at
    508-371-0116. He must be at least 50 years of age and pay the qualifing
    fee which is a couple of hundred dollars (I am not exactly sure since
    the tour just changed the amount). Then he will have to play in the
    qualifing round on monday prior to the tournament. Last year the
    qualifing score was around 72-74. There were about 30-40 people
    attempting to qualify for 4 spots.
    
    Don

    re: .5 Pro-Am Participation
    
    Digital only takes a percentage of the Pro-Am slots. The rest of them
    are on a cash in hand, first-come-first-serve basis. If he wants to
    participate in the Pro-Am, also contact the Tournament office at
    508-371-0116. The price of playing in the Pro-am is not cheap
    (>$1000.00 maybe even >$2000.00) the tournament office will give you
    the exact numbers.
    
    Don
    

    re: .3
    
    the point I was trying to make to .1 was that this is a business...
    
    the clothing manufacture does I beleive PAY for the right to make/use
    PGA clothing.....so the TOUR does receive/make money on this....
    
    it's called licensing, the NFL does it, the NBA does it, the baseball
    leagues do it, and the PGA/Senior PGA do it....
    
    

    I don't believe my question was answered. The "new" shirts we got last
    year are not good this year?  Even after they said last year the shirt
    would be good for at least a couple of years?  

    You will need to buy a NEW Shirt this year.  Also blue slacks, NO Jeans
    are required, if you have a pair of navy blue slacks that is good enuff
    and you don't need to buy the ones they have.  Now the reason for the
    new shirts is that even though it was stated that last years shirt
    would be good for 2 or 3 years it was decided by the committee after
    many complaints that the shirt was UGLY, therfore a new one was
    selected for this year and hopefully will be used for the next 1 or 2
    more.
    
    Roy

    I was called last week by the volunteer office, informing me that I
    need to get a new shirt.  They said that they can not get a
    manufacturer to sign up to having the same shirt available each year
    and most likely we would have to get new shirts each year.
    
    Jerry

    Re:.10 and .11
    
    Jerry you are 100% correct. The shirt that was used last year was
    manufactured by Head. Head discontinued that style of shirt so
    new volunteers would not be able to get them thus the new shirt this
    year.
    
    Roy, our tournament clothing is NOT liscensed by the PGA tour. If you look
    at last years shirt you will notice that it does not have the tour logo
    anywhere on it. The PGA tour receives NO money from the uniform cost.
    
    Don

RE: .11?

>    I was called last week by the volunteer office, informing me that I
>    need to get a new shirt.  They said that they can not get a
>    manufacturer to sign up to having the same shirt available each year
>    and most likely we would have to get new shirts each year.
    
Jerry,

I know you are just the middle man.  Perhaps they should consider buying a two 
year's supply and store the leftovers for one year.  It would involve a little 
more cash out of the tournament's pocket up front, BUT... the volunteers are
basically free labor.  It would be a little thing to keep them happy.

The concession to navy pants was a good step in that direction.  Before that
we had to cough up $$ for ugly mauve pants, that I wouldn't be caught dead in 
except at the tournament.

Larry

    is this considered a corporate event?
    if i work during the week, do i have to take a vacation day?
    i have heard differing scenarios.
    
    hack nicklaus

    Does anyone know when the tickets are going on sale?
    

    re: .15
    
    if I'm being informed correctly the tickets should be available now
    from employee activities at your site....

    
    Could someone please post (or show me where it's already posted) the
    directions to Nashawtuc CC in Concord. I live in NH and I haven't
    worked at the Seniors in a few years.
    
    Mike

    Depending on where in NH you live, either take Rte. 128, or Rte 495 to
    Rte. 2.  Off Rte. 2 take the Rte. 117 exit, follow country road (past
    Verrill Farm) to set of lights.  Go straight through lights (after
    honoring the red light, of course!!!). The lights are about 3/10ths 
    of a mile from the main driveway to Nashawtuc.
    
    
    Nelly

    I don't understand these directions as rte 117 is essentially E-W just
    like Rte 2.
    A simple method of getting there would be to go south on 495 and then
    east on 117 all the way directly to Nashawtuc.
    
    Or, if you know how to get to the Parker st rotary more directly simply
    proceed east about 7 miles to Nashawtuc cc.
    
    Bill
    

    The speed limit on Rte 2 is 55mph.
    
    The speed limit on Rte. 117 is 35mph.
    
    
    Hope this helps!!
    
    Nelly

I have not recieved my volunteers package yet..

Will we be parking this year again at the Lincoln Sudbury
High School ???

Jim

>Will we be parking this year again at the Lincoln Sudbury
>High School ???

It says that we will be parking along the 15th fairway.  That's good.  One year 
I was a marshall on 15.  Keeping people from wandering across the fairway was a 
real pain.  Especially because they couldn't see the tee so they were at risk!
At least the vols will be there earlier.

Does anyone have the data/time for the volunteer meetings handy?  I want to
throw it into my DECwindows calendar, but keep leaving the info at home.

Larry

    RE: The uniform issue.
    
    The main reason I decided not to volunteer this year (after 5 years)
    was because I am tired of shelling out money year after year for the
    priviledge of being a volunteer.  I never heard of people being charged
    for volunteering.  Why don't they provide uniforms free of charge in
    return for our time?  If they had to pay us an hourly wage it would add
    up to more than their cost for the shirts.
    
    Better yet, why doesn't DEC pay for the uniforms?  I was really ticked
    last year when I paid almost $50 to participate and then heard that
    Emerson Hospital paid for the uniforms for hospital employees that
    volunteered.
    
    Also after the parking fiasco last year, what with having to wait an
    hour and fifteen minutes to get a ride to our cars, I'm surprised that
    anybody volunteered this year.
    
    I think I'll just buy a ticket (or get a freebee from a volunteer!)
    this year.  Even if I have to pay to park, I'll still be 20 bucks ahead
    and I won't have to put up with the egos that surface each year ("I
    wanna be the person with the walkee-talkee 'cause it makes me look
    important and besides you obviously aren't bright enough, I was here
    first, and I sucked up to the guy who assigns the jobs, so get out
    there and hold that rope all day, buddy, then we'll give you a 6-day
    old hamburger or some raw chicken for your trouble).
    
    Can you tell I've had it?
    
     talkee

    
>>    for volunteering.  Why don't they provide uniforms free of charge in
>>    return for our time?  If they had to pay us an hourly wage it would add
>>    up to more than their cost for the shirts.
    
    But they do have to pay us a hourly wage if we work during the week.
    
>>    Also after the parking fiasco last year, what with having to wait an
>>    hour and fifteen minutes to get a ride to our cars, I'm surprised that
>>    anybody volunteered this year.
    
    Ever hear of walking. A nice 15 minute walk will do wonders.
    
    Mike

    COuld someone tell me if I have to use my vacation time to be a
    volunteer during the week?.... Thanks in advance for your reply....Carl

    	I've never had to use vacation time for my volunteer days. Of
    course it was my manager who also does volunteer there also, bu tI
    think company wide it is considered as a "normal" work day. You might
    have to have approval form your boss though...

	For many of those same reasons, I have never volunteered.  I have played
the game for 18 years, have been to the GHO at least 6 different years and 
constantly watch the pros on TV.  I think I could do a very good job at a number
of different positions that are needed.  Too bad it cost me $50+ for uniforms
each year, and even though I would be paid for the day, in my job, I would have
to make up the time somehow, so I really don't get paid for it.  From the many
stories I've heard, it's basically a thankless job!!!
	Instead, I've sent away for the 5 FREE tickets that Corp. Employee
Activities has said each employee can have.  It's naturally on a 1st come, 1st
serve basis.  I really respect all of those who do volunteer and give their
time and money, so DEC can be called the sponser of this tournament.  You
should all be compensated in some better way than in the past.

Beak

Re: -.1

>I really respect all of those who do volunteer and give their
>time and money, so DEC can be called the sponser of this tournament.  You
>should all be compensated in some better way than in the past.

Thanks, volunteering does have it's benefits...it's the best seat in the house
(at least from the marshall's perspective/even if you are considerate and kneel
to let those behind you see)...one year I had a wonderful conversation with
Bob Toski...you get to see pro's at their best and their worst...(I especially
love watching how they recover from a really bad shot)

Besides if it wasn't for us volunteers, there wouldn't be a tournament for
you to go to, over for Digital to get the exposure....Yeah, I do wish they 
would give away/subsidize/keep for more than one year the shirts, let us play
around at Nashawtuc for free, etc. but it's still fun!

Larry

    i don't think volunteers should be compensated any more than they are.
    volunteering usually denotes 'no compensation'.
    you get time off work, a chance to chat with pro golfers (some
    legendary), a change to chat with local celebrities (i've had nice
    chats with bob lobel, the guy who owns reebok, paul szep, etc.).
    if they gave shirts/uniforms to all volunteers, they would
    have a thousand volunteers receive shirts and only 300 actually
    work.  
    it is the best seat in the house.  volunteers get preferred parking
    (if they show up early enough).
    
    as previous messase said, 'if we didn't volunteer there wouldn't
    be a tournament for digitial to give you free tickets to attend.
    
    hack nicklaus

    {volunteers, by definition, shouldn't have to pay..}
    
    what next?  should i ask them to pick me up at my house to save
    on gas?  
    
    this volunteers should/shouldn't have to pay anything issue is getting
    out of hand.  volunteer, according to webster, means "one who
    serves or acs on his or her own free will".
    
    
    if you have a problem with having to buy a uniform, don't volunteer.
    if dec made you 'volunteer' you would have a beef, but they don't.
    
    let's get back to the real issue, 'how to get my 18 hole score under
    100 (without cheating).
    
    signed,
    
    a happy volunteer
    
    p.s. - i volunteer every year at the boston marathon and get
    a free jacket.  i would still volunteer if i had to pay.
    all people who want to volunteer and not spend any money
    should volunteer to work the boston marathon.

     I gotta agree about volunteering. It's something you do freely,
    without a gun to your head because you enjoy it or believe that what
    you're doing is important. It can also be a colossal pain in the A&#.
     I've done it for a USGA event at our club and for other events, but
    because I wanted to. I don't even go to the Seniors tourney because I
    don't like the course, the place is a zoo and I don't think DEC gets
    enough out of it for what we put into it. I've always thought we should
    spend the same dough on targeting some large customers and having a
    Corporate Outing with Peter Jacobsen or someone like that who is
    legendary in doing that type of thing. The only measurements I've seen
    are press clippings. I know I'm missing a chance to see good players,
    but this tournament just doesn't interest me.
    
     Hey, don't get me wrong - I salute those who do volunteer. They work
    hard to make things happen. But - it ain't gonna be me. Too much
    politics, and the tournament just isn't that great.
    
    --Jack
    
     

    Anyone know about what time the big names (Chi-Chi, etc) are teeing
    off?  I'm trying to determine what time to arrive.  I'm not planning
    to spend the entire day at the tournament so I want to make the best
    use of my time.  This is for Saturday.  I was thinking of showing up
    around 10:00.
    
    Frank

    chi-chi is not playing. first tee-off is @ 7:00.

    	If you plan on arriving around 10 o'clock, plan for a long walk to
    the course. The close parking lots fill up fast and you may have to
    walk a mile or so if you arrive later on...... As to who tees off when
    on Saturday, it's determined by the scores of Friday.

    
    	Forgot to get tickets from Employee Services, now, none to be
    found.  If anyone has extras not being used, would be much appreciated.
    Thanks in advance.   ESMAIL::NELSON

    
    
    Aren't there going to be any tickets available at the gate?
    
    

    
    Sure there will be tickets at the gate ! at $10 a pop  !!
    
    I like the free ones from DEC better ! If you can get them !
    

    Hi,
    
    Since we are on the subject...  I am also looking for a few "free" tickets...
    MAST::LENEHAN  223-6904
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Eunhwa

    
    This note is entered to record the status of the Digital Senior Classics
    tournament taking place September 11-15, 1991 at the Nashawtuc 
    Country Club in Concord, Ma. 
    
    Please respond if and when you get information....
    
    My only tid-bit of information I overheard from one of the judges.
    
    Chi Chi Rodgriguez ( sp ? ) will not be in this year's tournament because 
    of a nagging neck injury.
    
    Bob Charles will be here to defend his 2-time champion title.
    
    Trevino and a bunch of the top senior money winners will be there.....

    Can someone help ?
    
    What time will the first tee off be on SUNDAY and about what time
    will the last group finish ?
    
    Also coming from Marlboro... How do I get there ? I plan on heading
    over to Maynard then Going down 117. Is Nashatuc on 117 ?
    
    Thanks
    PASCO
    

>    What time will the first tee off be on SUNDAY and about what time
>    will the last group finish ?
    
The pairings can be found in that mornings paper.  The last group will finish
4 hours after they tee off.  (Those seniors move right along.)  I'm not sure 
about the first tee time, I do know that marshall's for the first 3 holes are
supposed to be there by 7:00.  I would guess the first group will tee off
about 8:30.

Larry

    
    
    In today's Boston Herald they list Tee times and who is in those times
    
    I would assume they would do the same thing for Sunday in the Saturday
    edition.
    
    

    
      trevino and jim colbert were 6 under on the leader board at lunch
    time.
    
        trevino came very close to hitting the flag stick on the role on
    the par 3, 196, hole number 12 or 13....straight shot right at the
    stick...
    
    We'll see who finishes on top....

    	Well as we all know by now, Rocky Thompson was the winner in less
    than desirable conditions......  Glad to see him win as it was only his
    2nd victory in all his years on the pro tour. He won at Syracuse
    earlier this year, but never won during his years on the regular tour.
    I walked with him on Friday keeping the stats/scores. He hit a few
    monster drives, but made three sand saves for pars. Beard and Dalziel
    were his partners that day. Rocky wasn't very talkative, but Frank
    and Doug were very pleasant.
    	On Saturday I was out with the "nasty" bunch. Bruce "Stoneface"
    Crampton, Simon Hobday and a real nice guy, Al Geiberger. Simon had a
    couple of bad holes and was NOT a happy person, turning the air blue...
    Other than that, he nor Bruce said a word. Geiberger had a good round
    turning in a 69 to get into 2nd place. He would have had the lead but
    he hit OB on his tee shot on 18 and came in with a 6.
    	Sunday I was with Harold Henning, Jim O'Hern and Joe Jimenez. Joe
    is a super senior(60+) and is not very big, about 5'6", 150 lbs but can
    crush the ball. On #7, driving distance hole, he hit 302 yards
    outdriving Jim Dent. On #18 the other driving hole, he was the longest
    in the group at 262 yards. There were longer drives before the heavier
    rains came.
    	Any other worker stories out there?

RE: Long drives

I don't  know if I miss something, but I was a marshall Friday (beautiful
day!) and Sunday  (ugly  weather...)  at the 403 yards dog-leg left 11th,
and I very few drives were hitting past the 175 marker (= 220/230 yd drives)

Don't get me wrong, I wish I could hit the ball myself,  been 10/20 years
younger the way these guys do,  but  I  was  more  impressed  with  their
approach shots to the green.

Tavo

    	Tavo,	On the 11th most of the guys were hitting a 3 wood
    off the tee. On  the driving holes, they let everything out. The
    driving distance holes were 7 and  1 I agree, I wish I col;d hit the
    ball like them. They're very upset if they hit the wrong side of the
    green, I'm just happy to hit it. :^)

Does anyone have the dates for this year's Digital Seniors handy.  I know it's
in July, but don't have the precise dates at my finger tips.  I'm just trying
to plan my vacation & don't want to be out of town at the wrong time!

Larry

    
    Digital Seniors Classic Aug 7-9
    
    see note 1419.
    
    Joe