| T.R | Title | User | Personal Name
 | Date | Lines | 
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| 548.1 | Sign us up... | MSEE::KELLEY | Custom clubs/club repair | Mon Mar 13 1989 13:19 | 10 | 
|  |     
   	Rich,
    
    	You can sign the wife and myself up for the tourney. Do you
    	think you will lose a lot of people due to the fact that
    	5/26 is the day before a long weekend?
    
    	Gene Kelley	MSEE::KELLEY    261-3193	Handicap 9
    	Pat Kelley	CVG::PKELLEY	261-3156	as many as she
    							can get...
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| 548.2 | Sign me up | TRACTR::OSBORNE |  | Mon Mar 13 1989 13:32 | 4 | 
|  |     You can count me in for the 26th.  I would not be able to make the
    25th.
    
    Thanks,        Stu Osborne MKO1-2/D27  DTN 264-6213
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| 548.3 |  | TOOK::RASPUZZI | Michael Raspuzzi | Mon Mar 13 1989 13:48 | 5 | 
|  |     Boy would I love to play but I am scheduled to be married that
    Saturday. I don't think I can get out of that one :-).
    
    Maybe in the fall,
    Mike
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| 548.4 |  | DOUBLE::DM_JOHNSON | Morality curtails entertainment | Mon Mar 13 1989 13:57 | 11 | 
|  |     ahem....
    
    Daylight by 5:45 at that point (daylight savings) so you hit the
    course at 5:45, off by 6, by 11 you're on your way home. Of course
    if it's a morning wedding then you obviously have not discussed
    life's priorities with your partner. You should schedule that,
    optimally before the wedding just in case there is some
    misunderstanding. 
    
    Denny
    (lots of little smiley faces)
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| 548.5 | Good Luck Mike, But.... | BOSHOG::VARLEY |  | Mon Mar 13 1989 14:10 | 5 | 
|  |      I played the day I got married, and won some cash; also had a few
    beers... Hell, the wedding was in Northboro at 2pm, and at 12 my
    wife to be was at Spag's...
    
    --The Skoal Bandit
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| 548.6 | I'm in Trouble! | IAMOK::OCONNOR |  | Mon Mar 13 1989 14:41 | 3 | 
|  |     Please, can we keep it down to a  dull roar and save the space for
    those who are interested? You guys got me in trouble with the
    moderator! Thanks, Rich.
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| 548.7 |  | DEMING::AUGUSTINE | We Will Survive | Tue Mar 14 1989 07:57 | 2 | 
|  |     count me in 
    
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| 548.8 | One more | ESPN::BLAISDELL | Tax tax here...tax tax there | Tue Mar 14 1989 08:05 | 5 | 
|  |     
         Sign me up as well.  And Gene, stop giving Rich a hard
         time!  ;^)
    
    -rick
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| 548.9 |  | WORDS::NISKALA | Ahh, baseball season finally arrives | Tue Mar 14 1989 08:06 | 4 | 
|  |     	An hour which way from Westminster??  East or west? If it's
    east, I'll probably do it. Where is Crumpin-Fox? Thanks.
    
    Keith
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| 548.10 | When's our tee time? | CSDPIE::GRYGLIK | When's our tee time? | Tue Mar 14 1989 08:23 | 6 | 
|  |     
    You can count me in.
    
    Mike Gryglik  CSDPIE::GRYGLIK  297-3632  Handicap Index is 22.3.
    
    
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| 548.11 | Go West, Young Man.... | IAMOK::OCONNOR |  | Tue Mar 14 1989 08:31 | 7 | 
|  |     Crumpin Fox is in Bernardston, which is where Interstate 91 crosses
    into New Hampshire. West of Westminster. We have one person who
    is coming from New Bedford, diagonally across the state. The intent
    of having the tournament out there is the interest generated by
    note 463 and to give some of us the excuse to travel out there.
    Some of us do not even need an excuse.  Eight down and twelve to
    go. (Thanks Rick.)
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| 548.12 | Me too!!! | DSTEG::SOUZA | Personal Name Provide Upon Request | Tue Mar 14 1989 08:55 | 5 | 
|  |     
    Put me on the list, 
    
    ULCS87::SOUZA
    
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| 548.13 |  | HEFTY::TENEROWICZT |  | Tue Mar 14 1989 09:12 | 11 | 
|  |     Hello, New noter. Count me in........ I'm in Springfield.
    
    What day? If it;s thursday we'll all have to take friday off.
    Can't start a great extended weekend on thursday and then go back
    to work on friday. Now can we....:-)
    
    
    
    Tom
    
    
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| 548.14 | Where do I sign? | BUFFER::MUTH | Asps, very dangerous. You go first | Tue Mar 14 1989 09:23 | 4 | 
|  | 
    Mee too!
    Bill Muth	BUFFER::MUTH	276-8710	Handicap : 8
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| 548.15 | CHECK | DARTS::DIAZ | CMG/CDG/SAMG | Tue Mar 14 1989 10:38 | 12 | 
|  |     Re:< Note 548.0 by IAMOK::OCONNOR >
    One more. Handicap 18
    
    I prefer to have a five day weekend and play on Friday.
    
    Noon tee time will give me the time to get there.
    
    Dtn: 296-4684
    JAWS or DARTS::DIAZ
    
    Tavo
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| 548.16 | just jealousy | MJOSWS::FAGLEY | beat the resident | Tue Mar 14 1989 19:59 | 9 | 
|  |     Gene, don't yell at me... I just got to tell you how much I'd like
    to play... Pa. is too far away!  I think I'm the only Pa. member
    of our little conference.  I'd get an outing going here if there
    was any interest.
    
    Wouldn't it make a nice vacation to come to the mountains of Pa.
    for a weekend folks?
    
    Rick 
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| 548.17 |  | ENGINE::WARFIELD | Gone Golfing | Tue Mar 14 1989 20:33 | 8 | 
|  | >    Wouldn't it make a nice vacation to come to the mountains of Pa.
>    for a weekend folks?
	Now if you threw in a pilgrimage to Latrobe & promised that
	Arnie would be home ....  you would defintely have a deal ;-)
	Larry
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| 548.18 |  | WORDS::NISKALA | Ahh, baseball season finally arrives | Wed Mar 15 1989 10:27 | 2 | 
|  |     	Well, if we go to Latrobe, we can stop in and get some Rolling
    Rock, if they have brewery tours........
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| 548.19 | Yo Tambien. (Me to) | OCTAVE::EORDOGH |  | Wed Mar 15 1989 10:31 | 5 | 
|  |     Count me in.
    
    Imre Eordogh     OCTAVE::EORDOGH	276-8250	H: 10
    
    Gracias.
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| 548.20 | and don't forget | MJOSWS::FAGLEY | beat the resident | Wed Mar 15 1989 11:41 | 3 | 
|  |     re: .17
    
    And lots of Rolling Rock in little green pony bottles....
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| 548.21 | Two more | LEVERS::KALLUNKI |  | Wed Mar 15 1989 13:13 | 6 | 
|  |     We too!
    
    Walter Kallunki	Levers::Kallunki  227-3340    Handicap : 8
    Eunhwa Choe		Jacob::Choe	  223-6904    Handicap : %#&@^!
    
    
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| 548.22 | Trying for Friday. | IAMOK::OCONNOR |  | Thu Mar 16 1989 11:48 | 4 | 
|  |     I will do my best to schedule the tourney for Friday, May 26, to
    accomodate those who can only go on that date. No one has requested
    Thursday up to this point.
    What is the weekend date in Pa.?
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| 548.23 | The Die is Cast! It is ON! | IAMOK::OCONNOR |  | Fri Mar 17 1989 14:23 | 5 | 
|  |     I have twenty-four people interested as of 2pm, March 17.
    I have talked to Ron Beck, the Pro and have actually scheduled the
    tournament for Friday, May 26.  We are on! I will publish all the
    details around the first of May. Now all I have to do is drag thirty
    bucks out of you thrifty New Englanders!!!
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| 548.24 | one more? | EMASS::MURPHY |  | Mon Mar 20 1989 11:48 | 5 | 
|  |     If there is room:
    
        Dan Murphy  Phone: (617)377-4750  Handicap: 15
    
    Thanks
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| 548.25 |  | 5336::OPERJR |  | Wed Mar 22 1989 02:19 | 9 | 
|  |     
    
    
    I am interested also if there is still room.  My handicap is 11.
    My DTN is 223-3800 ( I work third shift though! ), my mail address
    is asabet::J_Reid.
    
    Thanks,
           JIm
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| 548.26 | sign us up | HPSRAD::POULSEN |  | Thu Mar 23 1989 09:06 | 6 | 
|  |     Hi Rich,
    
    Henry and I will play. Sign us up.
    
    Don
    
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| 548.27 | Final Tournament Details | IAMOK::OCONNOR |  | Fri Mar 24 1989 11:44 | 2 | 
|  |     I will issue a note (reply) around 4/15 when I return from Myrtle Beach,
    with all the details of the tournament. 
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| 548.28 | am i to late | HARLEY::DAVE | it's tee time !!! | Fri Mar 24 1989 13:27 | 4 | 
|  |     
    Is there room for one more?
    
    Dave
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| 548.29 | 34 Goin' on 50 | IAMOK::OCONNOR |  | Mon Mar 27 1989 11:02 | 3 | 
|  |     Dave, you are number 34. Send me your handicap DTN and handicap.
    I expect to close the registrations around mid-May. I will be issuing
    more details later.
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| 548.30 | It's tough to be GOLF-FISH | MRBASS::DSULLIVAN |  | Tue Mar 28 1989 13:24 | 7 | 
|  |     
    
    Sounds like a fun day to me. I believe I can take time away from
    the BASS trail to hit the white ball around with some noters.
    
    Dave "BASSMASTER" Sullivan   DTN: 291-7035  Handicap: 11 
    
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| 548.31 | a new noter | ASABET::YOUNG |  | Thu Apr 13 1989 18:15 | 3 | 
|  |     I'm a new noter but I would like to play.  Either the 25th or 26th
    should be fine.  My DTN is 223-9954 and my handicap is 18.
    
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| 548.32 | Send Money | IAMOK::OCONNOR |  | Tue Apr 25 1989 09:02 | 25 | 
|  | Some of you have expressed interest in playing in the Spring Noters Tournament 
at Crumpin' Fox in Bernardston, Ma.
Now is the time to register. To do that, send a check in the amount of $30.00
(per person). Make the check out to me, Richard O'Connor and mail it to 
VRO5-2/B9. I will confirm recipt of the check if you include your DTN.  
I need the money in my possesion by Friday, MAY 19, 1989. 
The tournament date is Friday, May 26, 1989, RAIN OR SHINE.
Tee times begin at noon time. Times will be assigned as I receive the $30.00.
First come, first off.
Sign up individually or in groups.
Directions: Take Route 2, west to Interstate 91. Go north on 91.
Take the first exit, which is EXIT 28A, Route 10 North, Northfield.
Continue on route 10 north for about a mile, you will see the Crumpin' Fox
 sign on the left.  There is an alternate way after you exit 91. Turn
    left on Bald Mountain Road immediatly after getting on route 10,
    then take first right on Parameter and that will bring you to the
    Crumpin' Fox driveway.
Call me (DTN) 273-5387 if you need more information.
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| 548.33 | Where are you? | IAMOK::OCONNOR |  | Mon May 15 1989 11:34 | 8 | 
|  |     I had about 40 people who expressed an interest in playing in the
    Spring Noters Tournamnet. As of Monday morning, I have eight checks
    with four "in the mail".  There is one week left, for those of you
    who have sent checks and who have let me know that they will not
    be there, thank you. For those of you who are still planning to
    attend, please let me know by this Friday the 19th. Thanks.
    DTN- 273-5387   Vaxmail- dissrv::oconnor   a1- Richard OConnor 
    @ VRO
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| 548.34 | Spring Noters Tourney Info | IAMOK::OCONNOR |  | Mon May 22 1989 09:21 | 7 | 
|  |     This Friday is the day for the Spring Noters Tourney. I have 15
    people paid and ready to go. If there are any last minute entries
    call me before Tuesday, 4pm. 
    For those of you who are playing I will have an information sheet
    with the groups, prizes, etc. at the course. I plan to arrive there
    by ten thirty am. Call me if you have any questions. DTN 273-5387.
    (How's that Don?)
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| 548.35 |  | CALLME::MR_TOPAZ |  | Tue May 30 1989 09:25 | 21 | 
|  |        Congratulations to Gene Kelley for walking away with top prize &
       score in the Spring Tournament.  He played a fine round by keeping
       the ball in play (and his woods in his bag), not losing any
       strokes around the green, and playing an occasional unintended
       layup.  Well done, Kelley, and thanks to Rich O'Connor for
       putting it together.
       
       Crumpin Fox is a good course to play -- you're rewarded for
       thinking as much as for shooting, the layout is attractive, and
       the clubhouse facilities are excellent for a course that's open to
       the public. 
       
       Which isn't to say that this golfer doesn't have his usual share
       of grumbles: the course wasn't nearly in good enough shape to play
       'em down, and it was a long way to go for a 9-hole course.  All in
       all, though, it was an excellent day and tournament, and the only
       losers were the people who found reasons and excuses not to show
       up. 
       
       --Mr Topaz
       
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| 548.36 | Thanks | TRACTR::OSBORNE |  | Tue May 30 1989 09:33 | 8 | 
|  |     I would also like to express my thanks to you Rich.  Playing 'em
    down made it a little tougher but I don't think anything could have
    helped my game friday.  That was the worst round I've shot in over
    15 years.
    
    Thanks again,
    
    Stu,
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| 548.37 | OK scores please... | MJOSWS::FAGLEY | beat the resident | Tue May 30 1989 09:41 | 1 | 
|  |     Congrats Gene!... hey howbout some scores folks???
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| 548.38 | checking in | ESPN::BLAISDELL | You can call me HedgeSLammer | Tue May 30 1989 12:13 | 24 | 
|  |      Thank you Rich for your hard work in organizing and running the 
   tournament.  You did a great job!
     Any day I can get an extra round in is a bonus  for me.  So
   after a few early hole frustrations, I was determined to have a
   good time.  My troubles were around the greens.  Like most 
   Robert Trent Jone's designed courses, this one required precise
   iron play as the fairways are narrow, the greens elevated and
   well bunkered, and of course, the strategically placed water hazards.  
   My real gripe is that the par 5's really never gave you a choice whether 
   to layup or go for the green in two (laying up was the *only* smart 
   thing to do).  
     And on a personal note, I just made my tee time.  I got caught in a
   massive traffic jam on rte. 495 in Westford (they shut down 495!!) and
   had a stressful ride up.  It took me a few holes to settle down.  But,
   I was able to give my 2 iron a good workout, got a very valuable putting
   tip from Mr. O'Connor(after the round of course), and won some greatly 
   needed balls for finishing 2nd to Mr. Kelley.
     Finally, thanks to Dan, Tony and Stu for putting up with me and 
   patiently waiting as I took my usual 3-4 shots around the greens.
-rick
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| 548.39 | Thanks from me also... | MSEE::KELLEY | Custom clubs/club repair | Tue May 30 1989 12:26 | 23 | 
|  |     
    	I would also like to thank Rich for a fine job. I would also
    	like to say that I agree with Don (in .35) that the only losers
    	were the ones that didn't show. A good amount of time and effort
    	go into setting up a tourney and it is very disappointing to
    	have a good amount of people to show initial interest and then
    	have less than � the people show up...!!!
    
    	My thoughts on the course are that it is a fine layout. It appears
    	that they have done some resent work (sprinkler system perhaps),
    	which put the course in rough shape, but when the course matures
    	it will be one fine course. The greens are in great shape (wish
    	I could move them up to Charmingfare). Nice club house, pro
    	shop and driving range. It was a good day even though they did
    	try to run us out by starting up the sprinklers on the first
    	tee...!
    
    	As for the scores, lets just say that we left room for improving
    	on our second visit...!!!!
    
    
    	THANKS AGAIN RICH...
    	Gene
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| 548.40 | A Little Humility Works For All of Us | BOSHOG::VARLEY |  | Wed May 31 1989 10:33 | 16 | 
|  |      I can't figure out why you guys played 'em down at "the Fox", because
    members don't!! We recognize that the expanded irrigation has scarred
    the course temporarily, as has winter kill. We'll be replacing all
    current fairways with pure bentgrass in august anyway.
     Hope y'all come back, and as an aside to Tavo, the guy you were
    talking to in the bar (Lary of Northfield) just shot 71 there with
    6 birds. Is he a player?
     True, it is currently a 9 holer, but if you played gold/black tee
    combos, you'd have seen 2 markedly different courses. By the way,
    you CAN go for the 5's from the gold, especially on #5 (i made it
    on Sun.), although you have to kill it down the right hand side
    of #...
    
    Regards,
    
    Jack
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| 548.41 | where were you...? | MSEE::KELLEY | Custom clubs/club repair | Wed May 31 1989 11:13 | 4 | 
|  |     
    	Jack,
    
    	Why weren't you in the tourney...?
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| 548.42 | GOOD ROUND! | DARTS::DIAZ | CMG/CDG/SAMG | Wed May 31 1989 11:25 | 9 | 
|  | 
    Jack,
    
    Yes, Larry seems  to be quite a character, he introduced  himself  as
    the acting Pro at the Pro Shop.  Does  he  work  there,  or  was just
    chating?    It  really  doesn't  matter, anybody hitting 71 can  call
    himself whatever he wants!
    
    Tavo
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| 548.43 | not convinced | ESPN::BLAISDELL | You can call me HedgeSLammer | Wed May 31 1989 11:31 | 20 | 
|  | 
>    combos, you'd have seen 2 markedly different courses. By the way,
>    you CAN go for the 5's from the gold, especially on #5 (i made it
>    on Sun.), although you have to kill it down the right hand side
       Number 5  -  Well, I took a look at my landing area for the driver
                   and all I saw was a 15 yard wide fairway with a lateral
                   hazard (or jungle) on the right and a clump of trees
                   on the left with minimal rough.  Sure you can go
                   for it, but a triple will be a popular score.
    
       Number 8  -  Um, what about that big tree in the middle of the
                   fairway guarding the entrance to the green?  Sure,
                   go for it if your into making trick shots.
    
          I guess if I was a member there, I'd go for the par 5's in
       two for yucks once in awhile, but for money or in a tournament
       there would be no way.
    
    -humbly_yours_rick    
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| 548.44 | In two ;-), ;-) | MSEE::KELLEY | Custom clubs/club repair | Wed May 31 1989 11:50 | 34 | 
|  | 
>>    combos, you'd have seen 2 markedly different courses. By the way,
>>    you CAN go for the 5's from the gold, especially on #5 (i made it
>>    on Sun.), although you have to kill it down the right hand side
>       Number 5  -  Well, I took a look at my landing area for the driver
>                   and all I saw was a 15 yard wide fairway with a lateral
>                   hazard (or jungle) on the right and a clump of trees
>                   on the left with minimal rough.  Sure you can go
>                   for it, but a triple will be a popular score.
    
>       Number 8  -  Um, what about that big tree in the middle of the
>                   fairway guarding the entrance to the green?  Sure,
>                   go for it if your into making trick shots.
    
>          I guess if I was a member there, I'd go for the par 5's in
>       two for yucks once in awhile, but for money or in a tournament
>       there would be no way.
    
>    -humbly_yours_rick    
    
    Jack, Rick,
    
    Are we talking about the same holes...? Hitting down the right on
    #5 you would have no shot...! Did you mean kill it down the right
    on #8 to have a shot at the green...?
    
    I agree with Rick's thoughts about trying for either of them in
    two... In a tourney - no way - in two...!!!
    
    
    Gene
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| 548.45 | That's All Folks! | FIDDLE::OCONNOR |  | Wed May 31 1989 11:58 | 1 | 
|  |     Thanks for all the thanks. 
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| 548.46 | another thanks | WILKIE::PORTER | GUILTY OF FELONIOUS MOPERY | Wed May 31 1989 13:59 | 12 | 
|  | 
	Like to add my thanks to Richard for setting up the tournament -
	also appreciated the hints on how to play the course from "The
	Skoal Bandit" - I didn't use any of them.  Tavo can confirm that!
	He can also attest to the NEW method I taught him as to how to 
	play the ninth hole.  You lay up to the pond, belly a wedge into
	two skips on the water, roll through the bunker and end up with
	a fifteen foot putt.  How else would you play it?
	"Slasher" Stan
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| 548.47 | Crumpin-Fox | AKOV12::ROBBERTZ |  | Thu Jun 01 1989 10:39 | 28 | 
|  |     	A thanks goes out to Rich for the fine job running the tournament.
    	I enjoyed the course and the club house facilities are first
    	rate. The locker and showers down stairs rival a good private
    	club.
    
    	I have to attest to the metal toughness Rick displayed. Going
    	from the parking lot to the first tee is never easey. After
    	struggling on the first few holes you pulled together and put
    	in a fine round. It was a added pleasure following the May 20th
    	round at Stow South where in the same situation a member walked
    	off the course after nine.
    
    	As for my round, my putter was on. My guess is about 15 putts
    	on the front. What I learned of the course on the front seemed
    	to help in shot selection on the back. Selection is one thing,
    	transfering it to the club is another.
    
    	A added thanks to Jack for pointing out sights of interest in
    	the western part of the state. Went to the Clark Museum in 
    	Williamstown, MA. and Hilldee (Todd Lincoln estate) in Manchester, 
    	VT. I got a look at the Equinox C.C. and Inn. The course and bad
    	weather brought Marshal Fields to his death. He was a vacationing
    	guest of Todds at the time. Todd, an avid golfer in the late
    	1800's cut a 300 yard fairway in front of his estate so he could
        work on his game (no mention of his handicap). With the cost
    	and time of maintaining a green at home the thought of a fairway
    	crossed my mind. A little easier for Todd to say with 500 acres.
    
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| 548.48 | Thanks | DARTS::DIAZ | CMG/CDG/SAMG | Thu Jun 01 1989 13:21 | 10 | 
|  |     I enjoyed  very much the outing  and  the  chance to play a different
    course, even if my score  didn't  reflect  my  sentiments, so another
    thank you to Rich.
    
    And even if Stan showed me  the way to get on on the 9th, I won't try
    to put that shot in my bag!   Our  maybe  I  will try it this evening
    since that are the kind of shots sometimes needed  when  playing  our
    league's 3 club tournament.
    
    Tavo
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| 548.49 | A great day!! | CIMNET::DSULLIVAN |  | Thu Jun 01 1989 16:00 | 10 | 
|  |     
      I myself had a GREAT !! day even if the only thing I did was hit
    an 8 iron with 2 iron loft to 8ft of the par 3 (closet to pin hole) and
    subsequently make my only "2".
      Thanks to Richard for putting it together and pairing me up with
    a great guy (Fran Merlone) Thanks again for driving Fran. Congrats
    to all who attended!!
    
      _ Dave Sullivan
    
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| 548.50 | Grrr... | CALLME::MR_TOPAZ |  | Fri Jun 02 1989 07:45 | 10 | 
|  |        re .49:
       
       > even if the only thing I did was hit an 8 iron with 2 iron loft
       > to 8ft of the par 3 
       
       The shot that you beat was a perfectly-lofted 9-iron that bounced
       once, hit the flagstick (giving momentary heart failure to the
       golfer), and skittered 12 feet away.  You're on my list, Sullivan.
       
       --Mr Topaz
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| 548.51 | More FoxNotes | BOSHOG::VARLEY |  | Tue Jun 06 1989 10:25 | 25 | 
|  |      As a post script, I was talking with our Pro Ron Beck yesterday,
    and he was very impressed at how well the tournament was organized
    (hats off to Rich). Unfortunately, at the other end, a bunch of
    scheduling conflicts (lessons, etc.) resulted in the gal working
    in the pro shop not being completely informed about the tourney.
    Hope no inconvenience resulted, as she is a super person, and very
    competent who helps out occasionally. She said the DEC folks were
    great!
     I don't routinely play in stuff like this, so I missed out on a
    nice event, but I'm glad you all had a great time. Re: my note on
    the par 5's, the system here blipped, and part of it was lost. I'll
    try to clarify here. Our rule of thumb is that on #5, if you can
    get to the end of the left hand sand trap, (I can do it from the
    Blues occasionally, but not the Blacks) and you're on the left side
    of the fairway, go for the sand trap on the right of the green.
    On #8, if the tees are up, kill it down the right hand side and
    you can sometimes pump it up the alley between the woods and big
    tree (Lary and I hit 4 & 5 irons recently, but the tees were UP!!).
    As you all said, most of the time we lay up on #5, and nearly all
    of the time on #8.
     By the way, I walked the new 9 a few days ago, and it is so scary
    that we'll be delighted to get to our current 9. I think it's at
    least 3 shots harder... Come on back up!
    
    Jack (The Skoal Bandit) Varley
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