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    1967 Chevelle $$$$$$$$$$$$  For Sale
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         Nest::Pollier or Pollier@NRO.     Mimi Pollier

    
    
    	I'm upgrading the brakes on my 69 Chevelle and I need to find 
    	a spindle and rotor assembly that is cheaper than the stock re-
    	placement equipment. I've heard about some late model conversion
    	kits, but don't know from who or what they use.
    
    	Jeff

      My brother put '78 Trans Am spindles on his '72 Skylark.
    It is a job and a half.  There are a few kits on the market to 
    supposedly make this procedure a bolt-in, but the ones he looked at were 
    junk.  
      He had to ream out the the stock ball-joint holes (uppers I believe),
    and use outer tie-rods from the TA as well as the upper ball joints.
    Also it lowered the front of the car a bit.
      The worst part of the job is trying to get the car aligned.  The
    stock alignment specs won't be usable anymore, and to get the car
    lined up right he had to use tubular adjustable upper A-arms.
      These adjustable A-arms are really nice, but they are very expensive.
    Also he used a MOPAR adjustable brake valve to fine tune the front and
    rear braking.
    
      You might not run into these problems, but keep in mind the can of
    worms you could be opening.
    
    Rich

    There are people in Hemmings that advertise the complete change over
    kit for around $230. While this sounds expensive it does include
    everything needed to do it, spindles, rotors, backing plates, caliper
    mtg brackets, calipers, master cylinder, proportioning valve and lines.
    
    I'm converting my 67 Firebird to power discs and so far I spent close
    to that for parts. The one item that is most expensive on the change
    over is for new rotors. You can get them thru JC Whitney for $63 each,
    which so far is the cheapest I've found.
    
    Check some swap meets, I was able to get spindles for $20 for the pair
    with the backing plates and caliper mtg brackets.

    re .2 69 Chevelle from sign in maybe SS
    
         Could it be an SS with drums up front ?
    
            Dean

    Here is a list of interchangeable GM Disc Brake Assemblies
    
    Buick Special           67-72
    Camaro/Firebird         67-69
    Chevelle/Malibu         67-72
    Monte Carlo             70-72
    Grand Prix              69-72
    Nova and "X" clones     68-74
    F85/Cutless             67-72
    GMC Sprint              71-72
    Tempest/GTO/Lemans      67-72

    
    	The thing I would like to do is update to Camaro or 
    	Firebird, or Impala ect. something late model where 
    	I'm not spending $75 to $120 per rotor. I've talked 
    	with some people that have done this and most say the
    	kits are the best way to go. but who has the best and 
    	most complete kit. I've been watching HOT ROD, CAR CRAFT,
    	and HOT RODDING. Where can I get a Hemmings cat.?
    
    	Jeff

    
    	RE: 71.5 
    		Yes, It is a disc brake car. The front end is worn 
    	out, needs bushings and rod ends and ball joints and of course
    	the ever so expensive rotors.
    
    	Jeff

     If you can get friendly with someone in a salvage yard you could ask
    them to look up the interchanges in a Hollanders Book. It may have to
    be of an older vintage as I am not sure how far back each issue covers.
    
    Lou
    

    Just received my 4 speed pedal assembly from Chevelle World in
    Oklahoma. Now I am ready to convert my 71 Monte Carlo. For anyone
    looking to do this the Chevelle World pedal assembly consists of every
    part necessary (pedals, rods, springs, clips, rubber pieces, etc) and 
    they are all new, no used parts. Cost was $219 + shipping.
    
    Chris

    Is anyone familiar with the Judge RA III?  It looks like a GTO. 
    There's a '69 for sale in my area.
    
    Mike

      In '69 the Judge was a stripped down version of the GTO.  The RA
    III was a good engine for a driver, but not as serious for drag racing
    as the RAIV.  A friend of mine built a 400 to RAIII specs many years
    ago, and the mid-range power was excellent.  Judge optioned GTO's are 
    usually priced higher today than a regular GTO, due to the limited
    production amounts.
    
    Rich

    well almost exactly one year after selling my 71 Torino BB
    I've gotten another muscle type car...You might have guessed
    its not from the blue oval camp ;-( because I'm in the GM
    note.  anyway its a 71 Cutlass in need of everything (or thats 
    what it seems like now) I got a decent deal on it so that'll
    leave me money to spend it.
    
            Dean

    
    
    A CutLASS.....oh Man....you must have gotten the car for almost Free
     to bee seen in that thing.  Darn car is only worth $1700 in mint
    condition and that's only if it's a Supreme.
    
     Oh well,  use it for a Beater !!!  :-)
    
    
       /Mr. Ford
    

    whats an F-85  I see reference to it alot but I've never seen one
    is it just a low buck Cutlass ???
    
    	Dean

    "F" is usually a suspension RPO designation.  F85 i'd gather
    would be a suspension package different than stock.  I'd assume
    this is a step up from a normal cutlass, maybe the suspension which
    is included in the W2 or 442 model.  An F85 would only be missing
    the performance engine, if this is the case.  I haven't heard of
    an F85 cutlass, but I'm not an Olds guy.
    
    MadMike
                                                    

    Thanks Mike...yea I've seen that GM likes to use F* to
    indicate suspension levels but where I've seen the F-85
    reference is like in a description ie Cutlass, 442, F-85...
    maybe its a like the old Poncho T-37=Lemans kinda thing.
    I'll do some more looking see what I can find...
    
     Dean

    The first "small" Oldsmobiles (early '60s) were known collectively as
    F-85s. This was before the Cutlass moniker was born. This was not just
    an internal design designation. They were advertised that way, possibly
    to capitalize on something implying speed because of the similarity to
    a military fighter plane name.
    
    Bruce

    Olds F-85 Delux Jetfire - 1962-63.
    
    Based on the bucket-seat Cutlass coupe introduced in '61, but powered
    by a TURBOCHARGED version of the aluminum V8 available for the
    F-85/Skylark at the time.
    
    Also Olds F-85 Cutlass 4-4-2 1964-'65 Olds counter part to the GTO.
    
    /tb/
    

    F-85 was a separate model designation similar in
    use to Pontiac's T-37.  A real bare bones compact
    (at the time) car.  An F-85 was essentially an Olds Cutlass
    with a cheap interior, usually a 6 cyl, etc.
    
    The F-85 designation was used as late as '69, and maybe later.
    
    Rich

    I am looking for some expert assistance on an investment car.  My
    brother-in-law saw a (according to him) absolutely beautiful "69" SS
    396 Chevelle converitble at a place he was doing business at.  He asked
    about the car and the owner of the company replied it was his but he
    was going to have to sell it soon due to an impending divorce.  The
    information on the car is as follows:
    
    69 Chevelle SS 396 Convertible
    Jet Black with Gold stripes
    Black interior and top
    4 speed manual
    Factory Air (rare???)
    Engine and front end (suspension) all redone and beautiful
    Engine was bored .30 over when rebuilt
    Claimed car has no bondo and has never been damaged
    An original Arizona car, came with him when he moved up here
    Claimed all numbers match and is all original
    
    My questions are, how do I verify this information, and what things
    should I examine closely.  I am looking for a nice investment car that
    will apreciate, and I will have to do little with to make nice.  I am
    kind of a muscle car addict however I am a novice when it comes to the
    actually creating of a nice restoration.  
    
    From my research I understand that the 69 was a $350 option and not a 
    line of its own and that nearly 90,000 were sold, of which 9000 were 
    convertibles, however I can't find any info on how many of them were 
    SS models.  A second question is this engine could be ordered in 3
    flavors 325, 350, and 375 bhp versions.  How does one tell which one
    you have and if it is the original motor, and how do you tellif is an
    original SS and not just a look alike.  My brother-in-law does not know
    this man but talked to him for about an hour, while looking at his car
    and seems to think at first impressions he's ok, but my theory is let
    the buyer be aware and informed.
    
    He is asking $8400.00 for it, and from my research this seems to be a
    fair price if it is as nice as it sounds.  I looked in 2 different
    books and one rates a #2 car at $14000-$22000 and a #3 at $9000-$14000. 
    The second rated it just slightly lower.  So what do you experts think,
    I welcome any constructive and simple information.
    
    						Humble Muscle Car Admirer
    
    						Allen L. Grooms
    						Anglin::grooms 446-2520
    the car

Allen,


 Pick up a copy of the Chevelle SS Restoration guide put out by Classic
Motorbooks. I've seen it at Barnes and Nobles for $25. It will have all
the information required to come as close as possible to authenicate it. 
  The better informed you are the better when purchasing in
the musclecar market

Chris

    Chris,
    
    I took your advice and stopped by Barnes and Nobles and looked over
    their Auto section, quite impressive, especially if you are a Camaro
    owner.  The had everything you ever wnated to know about Camaro's, and
    a pretty good selection on the Dodge line, as well as GTO information,
    but I'll be darned if the had any information on the Chevelle's.  I saw
    the book's you were refering to, looked exactly like what I am looking
    for, but nothing for the Chevelle.
    
    I still haven't had an opportunity to look at the car yet, due to a
    death in the family we have been pretty busy with more personal
    matters, maybe this weekend.  If you can come up with any more info for
    me I will take what you got.  Thanks -Allen- 
                    

Allen,

  Try Chevelle Classics in CA (1-800-243-8355). Stock number for the
book is NC22599. It was $22.95.

Chris