Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    
    re -1
    
    Yes I use Steinberg Software exclusively for this very reason.
    
    I am assuming that you mean Sattelite which allows you to modfify
    patches and load the subsuequent sysex into your sequences.
    
    It works well, I have never used any other patch editors.
    
    No complaints so far !
    
    
    					Paul.
    

    Thanks for your response!
    
    Indeed I mean the satellite.......this is really great!
    
    How are the sounds coming with SYNTHWORKS and is the interface user-
    friendly? 
    
    Pete

    
    
    Re -1
    
    Yes synthworks is pretty user friendly although from program to program
    there do tend to be changes in implementation, depending on the age and
    level of sophistication of the programs. I have synthworks programs for
    D50, DX/TX and have had in the past Fb01. They all worked I use them
    actively and am happy with them. I am just about to take delivery of
    the latest versions as part of the pre-paid upgrade schemes. Currently
    I only have a 1 neg 1040 which I may upgrade to a Stacy when they have
    setlled down in terms of delivery and development. This will enable me
    to load all the Steinberg programs together and away we go !
    
    In theory you can use sattelite without synthworks if you can get
    somebody to send you some synthworks files on disk. The editing is
    fairly low level e.g. Fatter brighter etc...
    
    				Paul.
    
    

	Paul,

	Still got your TX802?  Steinberg/Jones has just come out with v3.01
	for DX/TX Synthworks (I got a copy of the update letter and order
	form from Chad - I didn't get one though I should have).  We'll be
	ordering our upgrades pretty soon (DX/TX for me, D-50 for him).  
	The full list of upgrades is as follows:

	Avalon 					v1.1		$15
	Synthworks DX/TX 			v3.01		$15
	Synthworks K1 				v1.51		$15
	Synthworks M1 				v1.55		$15
	Synthworks D-50/D-550 			v1.52		$15
	Synthworks D-10/-110/-20/-5/MT-32 	v1.51		$15
	Synthworks Proteus 			v1.01		free

	Note: all software is for Atari ST series computers.

	Their address (in the US):

	Steinberg/Jones
	17700 Raymer St.
	Suite #1001
	Northridge, CA 91325
	(818)993-4091


	-Dan

    
    
    re -1
    
    Same note at the same time.
    
    I obviously got a similar circular in the U.K. at the same time.
    
    Interesting difference all the updates in the U.K. are free, given you
    pay for postage and the disks. (which you send to them !)
    
    Makes a change for things to be cheaper in the U.K.
    
    					Paul.
    

    
    
    re -1 and 2
    
    I would still like to have a go at transferring some synthworks files
    over the net. Chad and I tried with bulkdump but I don't think we made
    it work.
    
    Anyone like to try again ?
    
    				Paul.

Paul, let us try some SYNTHWORKS D50 patchbanks...

Addendum to the US Steinberg Update list:  

Avalon is $25, not $15

Chad

PS: Seeing as I only paid $50 in the first place for my SYNTHWORKS D50 I can't
complain too much :-)

	Paul,

	I must confess, I really haven't done much with SYNTHWORKS (yet) other
	than organizing files, so all I have for data files is the Steinberg
	library and all the patches/banks found in DYO780::[MIDILIB].  If
	you just want to check if we *can* transfer SYNTHWORKS files, then
	sure we can still go for it.

	Dan

    
    
    re last few
    
    Just so happens that when I got home last night that my self addressed
    envelope was waiting for me with the two disks inside. Not bad seeing
    as I only sent them off last Saturday (lunchtime).
    
    I will post up 2 banks tonight one for d50 and one for DX, Lets see how
    we go. I am always interested in hearing other peoples patches as they
    give you ideas for the things that can be done, that you hadn't
    previously thought about. If you see what I mean ?
    
    The 2 new progs have some obvious changes and have been significantly
    upgraded. I am not sure, given that the real purchase is the dongle,
    whether it is legal for me to post the programs as well. Given that the
    upgrade charge is supposedly to cover admin postage etc...
    
    This could save you the wait and the money.
    
    
    					Paul. 

>    The 2 new progs have some obvious changes and have been significantly
>    upgraded. I am not sure, given that the real purchase is the dongle,
>    whether it is legal for me to post the programs as well. Given that the
>    upgrade charge is supposedly to cover admin postage etc...
    
>    This could save you the wait and the money.
 
	Well, thanks for the offer PK, but I'd like to stay within the law.
	My guess is that Russ Jones wants his cut of the pie :^).  Like Chad,
	I got Synthworks for a fairly discounted price (I think it was $150
	reduced from $250) so paying out the $15 for an upgrade doesn't 
	bother me so much.

	I would very much like to hear some of your patches for the DX/TX.
	Like I said, though, in one of my previous, I've been using Synthworks
	only as a patch librarian up to now and for doing some minor 'fooling 
	around' so I haven't got any to share with you.  Also, some friends of
	mine are borrowing my TX802 and I don't know when they'll be finished 
	with it.

	Dan

    
    
    I wasn't for one minute suggesting that we "break the law" I believe
    that Steinberg take the view that it is "ok" to transfer the programs
    because they are no use without the dongle anyway. Thus the free price
    in the U.K. So the files as it were are in the public domain it's the
    dongle thats protected. Interesting ?
    
    In terms of TX DX stuff I could load up my 2 libraries and you can see
    if you can load them. Hows that ?
    
    					Paul.

	Yo Chad,  you said you were gonna call Steinberg/Jones today right?
	Why not ask them why we have to pay $15 for upgrades when those
	in the UK get them for free?  Maybe we *can* copy the software.
	See what they have to say.

	PK,  if you could upload the data files to 
	MIDI::MIDI$DUA0:[DAN.MIDI.DEPOSIT], I'll see what I can do with them.

	Thanks,
	Dan

Well, good news!

I just got off the phone with the guy at Russ Jones Marketing, who is the
distributor for Steinberg stuff in US.

He said that indeed yes I could get my upgrade copies from someone else as
the licensing was the hardware key more or less.  He said the fees he charges
are for the disks, copying fees, his time, handling, etc.  He said that that 
would be fine.

Chad

    
    
    So I just happen to be sitting here in my studio with the disks to
    hand.
    Should we give it a go ?
    
    					Paul.

	Go for it Paul - if you could put them in .ARC format and copy them
	to MIDI::MIDI$DUA0:[DAN.MIDI.DEPOSIT], we'll check it out.

	Maybe I should go home (across the street from here) and see if it
	works now rather than waiting until tonight....  :^)

	Dan

Paul,

did you get my Mail I sent about an hour ago? (concerning this)

Chad

    
    
    re -1 -2
    
    Chad and I exchanged the D50 software last night and it seems to work
    OK. 
    
    Dan I will do the TX/DX stuff tonight.
    I Look forward to getting your library.
    Do you think it is safe to ARC a synthworks library file.
    
    						Paul.

>    I Look forward to getting your library.
>    Do you think it is safe to ARC a synthworks library file.

	I don't know - we'll see :^)

	Dan

    >>    Do you think it is safe to ARC a synthworks library file.
    
    >        I don't know - we'll see :^)
    
    Of course! :-)  I loaded in the bank Paul sent no problem!
    
    Too bad everybody doesn't have similar upgrade policies!
    
    Chad

    PK,
    	I just finished downloading DXTX.ARC and then de-arced it and,
    alas, it didn't work.  I got a nice string of bombs after it had
    loaded most of the way.  Any idea why it didn't work?  I've got a
    monochrome Mega ST2, had the hardware key in place (verified that
    this was OK by loading v2.0) and I even copied what seemed like
    necessary files from my 2.0 disk (DX.RSC and a couple others).  Is
    there only one DX.PRG program now?  Before, they had separate ones
    for B&W and Color.  One last thing - I transfered it via Jeff Lomicka's
    Whack facility and Stransf.  Any ideas?
    
    Thanks,
    Dan
    
    PS.  Are the files in the .ARC the only necessary ones now? (4 files?!?)

    
    
    
    OK...
    
    I transferred the ARC file in Kermit Binary mode. I haven't used
    Stransf so I can't comment on whether that would affect the issues.
    
    There were 4 files (I am sure I left these instructions somewhere)
    The .PRG sits in the usual open area on the disk. The MROS file has to
    go in a folder called MROS the other file which is a .BIT file goes in
    a nother folder, the name escapes me for the moment. I think it is
    DXTX.DAT I will check at home later. CHAD has the details as this
    worked correctly with the D50 program. Lastly there was A library file
    which as you know is aprrox 300k bytes, this was an experiment to see
    if this type and volume of data will work. If you need more info we
    could try a Landline call through DTN 845 2162
    
    Or vaxphone BAHTAT::KENT
    
    	                              Paul.

    Thanks PK - I was neven informed by Chad (thanks Chad!!! :^) that I had
    to create different folders.  I'm glad I haven't blown anything away
    yet.  I'll try it again after talking with Chad tomorrow and I'll post
    results again.
    
    Dan

	Paul,

	I spoke to Chad at about 9:00 PM last night and got it working
	shortly thereafter.  I had to create just the 2 folders DX7.DAT
	and MROS and then move the right files into them.  I'm glad to
	see Steinberg has 'cleaned up' their product by not requiring
	you to run different programs for color and monochrome systems.
	
	I also loaded in the library you sent me - it appears to have
	worked - I have no way of telling right now as I don't have my
	TX802 back from friends yet.  All the right categories and patch
	names seem to be coming up though.

	Some questions: is this library the same one that was included with
	2.0 of DX/TX?  (I haven't compared the two yet)  Have you included
	some of your own patches in here?  Also, was there an update to the
	manual?  Chad said something about 'on-line documentation' but after
	looking through the different menus for 10 minutes last night, I 
	couldn't find anything that resembled documentation.  If there was
	a hardcopy upgrade, is there any way I can get a copy?  If you don't
	feel it's worth it, then nevermind.

	Thanks,
	Dan

	PS.  Thanks again for taking the time to upload and copy everything -
	     I really appreciate it.

    
    
    well chaps it's good to see that you are up and running. Now what I
    want in return in some voices !
    
    Answer 1.
    
              The library I sent was one of the 2 that I use on a day to
    day basis. I can't remember what the make up of these but they are
    certainly a mix of my own and other patches. I also have another of
    similar size let me know if you want it.
    
           2.
              The only documentation that came with the disks was a small
    Readme file which gave some detail about running under Mros. I can copy
    it over if you want it was only about 30 lines. You are right there are
    quite a few new features which should improve things. Do you have V1.5
    of Cubase yet ? Now that really is something. Automated sliders moving
    up and down on-screen during the mix are just "the end".
    
                               Good Stuff.

Hi Paul,

>    well chaps it's good to see that you are up and running. Now what I
>    want in return is some voices !

	Oh, so it was bribery, eh?  :^)  I don't know when I'll be getting
	my TX802 back from friends, but I'll get some patches to you ASAIC 
	(as soon as I can).  It may be a few months...

>    I also have another of similar size - let me know if you want it.
    
	Well, if you're willing to give, I'm willing to receive :^)  I'd
	love to hear what you've done with 6-op FM. 

>    The only documentation that came with the disks was a small
>    Readme file which gave some detail about running under Mros. 
>    I can copy it over if you want it was only about 30 lines. 

	Again, if you don't mind copying it, I'd like to just read what
	it says (it may be quicker for you to just retype it if it's that
	short).  Does it have any bearing on SYNTHWORKS by itself? or does
	it require Cubase?

>    Do you have V1.5 of Cubase yet ? Now that really is something. 
>    Automated sliders moving up and down on-screen during the mix are 
>    just "the end".
  
	Sorry, if I may have disillusioned you, but I'm a die-hard C-LAB 
Notator user.  I've only seem the mag ads on it.


Dan

    
    
    re -1
    
    
    Er yes it was bribery......
    
    I will dig out the readme files, but I don't see they will be that much
    user without cubase. Looking forward to getting the libs.
    
    					Paul.

Paul,

I got my ST back running yesterday on sick leave.  I'll reARC the 1-2 D50
banks I mentioned and upload them by the weekend.  I'll MAIL you when
I've done it.

Thanks again

Chad

You get time off when your ST is sick? :-)