Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    
    
    I had an M1R out on demo for a couple of weeks and am pretty (99.9 sure
    the answer to your question is yes !                              
    
    				Paul.
    

    Sure can.  All multi-timbral synths have a "multi" mode in which the
    thing will act like (x) different synths.  Patch change commands xmited
    on channel 2 will affect only channel 2, etc.  The Korg is no
    exception.  If you don't see this type of response, chances are that
    the synth is in OMNI mode (respond to every message on every channel).
    
    Whether or not you can get your pedals limited on one channel is a
    function of the controller.  If you can tell it to xmit on one channel,
    you've got it made.
    
-b

    Re .2
    
    Thanks.  I've only owned one truly multi-timbral synth (the K1000),
    which could do this, so I didn't know if ALL would allow it.  Looks
    like I'll be able to do what I expect (my pedals *can* be set to
    xmit over any channel).  
    
    Now, if only the T1 were available (at least to try it out ... ) !
    
    	-Jim

    ?  You mean the TX802 didn't work this way?  Hmmm.

-b

    NO, from my limited use of the TX802, it did NOT work this way.
     You had to specify in each "performance" which MIDI channel was
    assigned to each of the multi-timbral parts.  Unless I missed something
    in the TX's owner's manual ...
    
    	-Jim

    
    
    I have a tx802 and it certainly does work this way. In fact I basically
    have one perfromance I use which is set at 4 instruments 
    
    			2   6    6   2   In terms of tymbrality
    			11  12   13  14  IN terms of Midi channels.
    
    The only nit with this is that there doesn't appear to be anyway
    other than VIA sysex to tell an instrument whether to look at the
    internal bank or the RAM bank of voices. Other then that it works
    well and acts as 4 seperate synths. 
    
    
    				Paul.

    Re -.1
    
        Yes, but you must set up this multi-timbralily (and specify
    which MIDI channels to receive on) for EACH performance.  What the
    K1000 and apparently M1 do, is you can set the instrument to MULTI
    mode (not avail. on the Tx802, I don't think), and set MIDI channel
    2 to be patch X.  Then, you can call up ANY patch on Channel 1,
    while Channel 2 stays at Patch X.  I know of no way this could be
    done on the Tx802 ... for example, I wanted to set up the Tx802
    such that a certain bass sound was ALWAYs played for notes received
    on MIDI ch. 2, yet allowing me to change patches (performances?)
    on MIDI ch. 1 to piano, then strings, then trumpet, etc., etc.,
    while having the bass sound always play via MIDI ch.2 -and I didn't
    want to have to set this up in for all 64 performances!  On the
    K1000 I could do this via MULTI mode, with NO programming ... do
    you see the difference between what I describe and what .6 describes?
    
    	-Jim

Jim,

	The way I've done it is to stay within 1 performance.  If the TX802 is
set up to respond to *voice* changes and not *performance* changes, then there's
not much of a problem.  You can have up to 8 different MIDI channels/8 different
voices and when a 'program change' occurs, it will affect only those 'synths'
that are responding to that particular channel.  Everything else remains
untouched.  I hope I'm clear...

Dan

    
    
    The reason that the TX802 has no multi-mode is that it is basically
    permanently set to multi-mode. What decides is the format of the
    performance.
    
    I see absolutely no difference between what you want and what I
    described in .6.
    
    					Paul.

    Re. -.1, etc.
    
    Yes, Paul, I can see your point (that within a Performance, you
    can have the functionality of Multi-mode).  What I could do on the
    K1000, and *not* on the Tx-802, is to select a "performance" (Kurzweil
    didn't call it a "performance", but it did allow for things like
    splits, layers, etc.) on the MIDI channel I was playing the K1000
    keyboard on, WITHOUT affecting which "performance" I'd selected
    on MIDI channel 2 via another controller.  I suppose the difference
    is that on the Tx-802 you can select Voices over various MIDI channels
    if your one Performance is set up to handle that, but you *can't*
    select a different layer or split "setup" for use by one controller,
    while you leave another controller's "setup" (or "performance")
    untouched, on the Tx802.
    
    Whether the K1000 and Tx802 are similar or not in support of Multi
    Mode ... I don't know, what I *do* know is that there is a
    functionality I could achieve on my K1000 that I couldn't achieve
    on the Tx802 in the same simple, easy way.
    
    	-Jim

RE: .0

	I have an M1 so I thought it was worth a few more words on exactly
how the question in .0 is done (since I was curious so I looked it up in
my manual) :-) :

	The M1 has "programs" (tailored sounds) and "combinations"
(of programs). Combinations come in various flavors (Spilts/Layers/single/multi
/velocity-split). If the "multi" type of combination is used then up to
8 different "programs" may be selected for playing at the same time. Each of
these 8 can be controlled by a separate MIDI channel. Thus you could be
playing say a trumpet on MIDI channel 1 (controlling the first program
of your combination) and then change programs on say MIDI channel 2 (sending
a program change message for the 2nd program of your combination). Note
that this is all within a single "combination". I suspect that if you
were to change combinations on the fly that you would at least get a glitch
in a trumpet note even if both combinations had the same MIDI channel
defined for use for program 1. Also note that "effects" are tied to the
combination so even if you switched programs by midi control your effects
would stay the same.
    Somehow it seems like the above is not as clear as I wanted it to be
but maybe it helped someone ......

					Sigh,
						Tg

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TLE::GRIEB                                           49 lines   2-OCT-1989 20:27
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	For all you M1/M1R owners out there I thought I would start a
note for M1 tricks/hints (since I found one that might be interesting).


One of the first problems that people discover with the M1 is that it
has a relatively simple sequencer. Not only is it short on features
but it also has a very small event capacity when the machine is set up
in it's default mode. I found a pseudo work around which may be obvious
but then again maybe not...

The M1 has 2 different internal memory organizations.
	1. 100 patches/100 combinations/4400 event sequencer
	2. 50 patches/50 combinations/7700 event sequencer

Well you say to your self, "Self, how can I use that 7700 event mode
without losing instant access to all those nice 100 patches and 100
combinations that Korg gave me?". Well here's the trick. You buy yourself
a plug in RAM card for the M1 ($80??) (This is not a multisound card
with more sounds, it's just more memory). Then you transfer the 100 patches/
100 combinations that come with the M1 into the memory card and leave it
plugged in all the time. Now you set the M1 internal memory format
to 50/50/7700 seq mode and wha-la:
	1. Instant access to all original Korg patches/combinations
	   (Each selection function supports I00-I99 AND C00-C99 for
	    access to the memory Card)
	2. Sequencer now can store 7700 events
	3. You've got 50 patches/50 combinations for your own to play with
	   (the internal ones)

This is the mode I have been using for some time now and it seems to work
pretty well. You can also format the Ram card to hold 7700 sequence events
by itself but alas the machine software is too braindead to allow you to
manipulate it like the internal memory. The only problem that I have found
with this mode so far is that certain copy operations will not copy from
the RAM card memory (for instance you can copy a program from one
internal "program slot" to another but you can't copy a "card program"
to an internal one). Since I have a patch editor on my IBM-PC I simply
xfer the patch to the PC and then back to the internal slot to get acound
these types of problems. Otherwise you could just re-enter the patch
in the internal memory directly. I suspect that the ones I have found are
simply places that the Korg M1 Exec writers simply forgot to support
the card programs but there seem to be very few places where this is
a problem. As I said, it seems to work pretty well.

Now, when the M1 memory upgrade comes along things "might" be big enough !

						Tg

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	I just thought of another tidbit I picked up that might be of
use to someone:

The M1 has the following "undocumented features":

1. If you hold down the INT and CARD buttons while you power up the M1
   the current ROM version will be displayed on the LED display

2. If you hold down the INT, CARD and COMBI buttons while you power up the
   M1 it will REINITIALIZE the ENTIRE MACHINE. DO NOT DO THIS unless you
   have some way to recover the original patches and combinations that
   come with the M1 as they are SOFT and this proceedure will ERASE them.
   You can either save them through some MIDI device or buy the plugin card
   that KORG now sells with them on it. I have had only one case so far
   where the machine got Soooo... confused that this procedure was
   needed. (the symptom was that the BANK HOLD button appeared to be
   broken). Doing this procedure and then reloading from a sys-ex MIDI
   dump fixed the "broken" button and saved me a trip to the repair shop!!

    To add more to this question ... I tend to think that what I did
    with the K1000 *isn't* possible, at least in the same, simple way,
    on the M1 ...
    
    On the K1000, there are "programs" and something else like an M1
    "combination", but I forget Kurzweil's word for it.  I could have
    on Channel 1 a COMBINATION with, say, bass on the left, and a layer
    of piano and Epiano on the right part of the keyboard.  Then, on
    Channel 2, I can have, say, a layer of Baritone Horn and Trumpet.
    I can then change the "combination" that's on Channel 2 to some
    other sound, yet not affect the "combination" on Channel 1.
    
    I tend to think, from what I read here, that I can only change
    "programs" on the M1, within a Combination.  For example, if I have
    	
    	Combination #1: bass to left of Middle C,
		    piano-layered-with-Elec-piano from Middle C upwards
    
    	Combination #2: trumpet/trombone layer
    
    	Combination #3: Organ to left of Middle C, Trumpet from Middle C up
    
    Then, can I have Combination #1 play when notes are received on MIDI
    channel 1, and Combination #2 play when notes are received on Channel #2.
    Then, if I change, on Midi Channel 1, to Combination #3, will the
    Combination (#2) that I've got on MIDI channel 2, still play as expected?
    
    		-Jim

    It should.  You're talking about different levels of programming
    here, Jim.

    The basic sonoric unit (BSU - viz, patch) in a Kurzweil consists of 1
    to 4 layers, each of which can have its own split-point and other
    various characteristics (similar to layer 4 'patches' within one
    patch).  When you had a split on the Kurzweil, you weren't dealing
    with multiple BSUs - you were dealing with only one.

    The Korg 'combination', as I understand it, is also treated as a BSU,
    and should respond in like fashion.  Or, to directly answer your
    question, changing Combo1 to Combo3 on channel 1 will not affect Combo2
    (on channel 2). 

-b

    Re -.1
    
    Hey, that's the clearest description/definition I've seen yet on
    this topic!  Yup, 2 levels; and at the "basic" level, you can have
    multi-timbrality going on, all within one "BSU".  I get it - and
    await the T2 so I can try this out!
    
    Thanks for the simplification!
    
    	-Jim

    Now that I have my T2, I can (unfortunately) report that the "BSU"
    on the Korg is the Program and not the Combination.  To do what
    I want, I need to set up in EVERY combination, a "call to" a Bass
    program.  Of course I can set this to be any MIDI channel I want,
    etc. but I can't have bass on Ch.3 unless I explicitly set up ALL
    combi's with BASS on channel 3 (at least on the T2, that's fairly
    easy, I can probably change all 100 combi's in about 10 minutes).
    And I can very quickly select which Bass sound I want "on the fly"
    as long as I have all my "favorite"  bass programs near each other
    (for me programs A70-A79 are all Bass programs)
    
    -Jim