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| 542.1 | Ottawa has it! | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Sat Jan 11 1992 00:49 | 1 |
| Where can you ice skate outdoors for several miles in Toronto?
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| 542.2 | Toronto has it, too | BRADOR::HATASHITA | Hard Wear Engineer | Sat Jan 11 1992 13:57 | 4 |
| Take your skates to Nathan Phillips Square and go around the rink
about 600 times.
Kris
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| 542.3 | Nathan Phillips don't cut it! | TROOA::MSCHNEIDER | vi.... the editor from hell! | Sun Jan 12 1992 09:01 | 7 |
| Ottawa is a certainly beautiful to look at thanks to the NCC and all my
tax dollars. Of course its entire reason for being is to house our
federal politicians in isolation from the rest of the world.
re. -.2 Skating the canals is fabulous ain't it! Did that last
February and it made me love Ottawa in the winter, despite the cold and
snow.
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| 542.4 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Sick in a balanced sort of way | Mon Jan 13 1992 07:26 | 7 |
| Re. Kris
If you're expecting to find culture in bars and dance clubs.... stick
to yogurt! If it's night life you want, go across the river. Just don't
do it under the affluence of incohol.
Glenn
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| 542.5 | | KAOFS::S_BROOK | | Mon Jan 13 1992 10:12 | 18 |
| To live in Toronto, you have to be a millionaire, or live out in the
sticks. To take advantage of Toronto's "cultural centres" (concert
halls etc. downtown) you can't live out in the sticks. So what it
boils down to is for Mr Joe Average (married with family), he cannot
really regularly enjoy those advantages of Toronto.
It takes 30 minutes to go from Kanata to Orleans. It takes 30 minutes
to go from the 401 & Yonge to Pickering in the middle of the night,
any other time it's 3/4 hour minimum. Toronto is close to a nightmare.
Toronto has more destitutes, more drugs, more violence .....
Toronto is a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there
again.
Stuart who spent 4 years in Toronto and was more than happy to return
to Ottawa!
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| 542.6 | | KAOFS::S_BROOK | | Mon Jan 13 1992 13:46 | 17 |
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Hey Kris,
Speaking of Toronto vs Ottawa. Just imagine! When the Ottawa Senators
begin their NHL season and the play Toronto and win......you'll have
one more thing to complain about...............
Yawn.......!
Bruce D.
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| 542.7 | I'll take Ottawa... | KUTIPS::LACAILLE | Half-filled bottles of inspiration | Mon Jan 13 1992 16:10 | 16 |
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I do not like big cities...period.
I grew up in Montreal, which I find much more fun to visit
but that not under discussion here, is it.
I almost had to move to Toronto, but one trip scared me off
for good. Occasionally, I get sent there for a course, and
am always happy to get out of there.
Ottawa itself, is not where I would live, but the nice thing
is, I live in the country and can get to anywhere in the
cities of Ottawa, Nepean, Orleans or Gloucester within an
hour. As well, I bought a house and can still afford to live!
Charlie
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| 542.8 | Works for me! | OTOU01::BUCKLAND | Quality is not a problem | Tue Jan 14 1992 09:25 | 17 |
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� 3) The closest thing to culture in this town is the goop growing
under my shower mat.
Kris,
I don't know what you define as culture but I find the ballet and opera
at the NAC really enjoyable.
Then there's the museums, the market, Hull ...
I grew up in London (England not Ontario), now there's culture. But I
wouldn't want to live there again. It's like Toronto, too big, air's
not as clean as here, and it takes too long to get anywhere unless
you're rich enough to live downtown.
Bob
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| 542.9 | | BRADOR::HATASHITA | Hard Wear Engineer | Tue Jan 14 1992 11:27 | 23 |
| > I don't know what you define as culture but I find the ballet and opera
> at the NAC really enjoyable.
Me too, Bob. But that's all there is. The NAC. Maybe the Ottawa
Little Theatre. The choice is too slim.
> Then there's the museums, the market, Hull ...
Culture in Hull? There are sights in Hull (boy are there sights) but I
can't call the Museum of Civilization cultural. :-)
I think that the cost of living in Toronto is an urban myth. I find
the cost of living in Ottawa to be higher. Gas prices, clothes prices,
grocery prices are all higher in Ottawa. As far as living downtown: I
rented a very large, beautiful old duplex within five minutes of Yonge
Street for less than I'm paying for a smaller (about 2/3 the size)
duplex in the Glebe (downtown Ottawa). And I'm told that rent has
come down in Toronto since I was there.
On the other hand, I needed a lock, deadbolt, and alarm system in
Toronto. I get by with less here.
Kris
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| 542.10 | | KAOFS::S_BROOK | | Tue Jan 14 1992 13:17 | 30 |
| For a family, unless you've got double income, you cannot rent or
buy in downtown anywhere (except maybe Carleton Place!). You've
got to live out in the 'burbs. And for that, Toronto is a darned
sight more expensive, unless you want to live in Barrie, Guelph
or Oshawa, and then you face mammoth commuting bills, and then
getting to things "cultural" is as long as getting to work!
You've also got to properly compare apples with apples and not
apples with crab apples if you are going to compare prices for
accomodation. Find a place like the Glebe in downtown Toronto
(for safety as well as style and so on) and then compare prices.
Food and gas are more expensive in Ottawa ... no doubt, but you
can afford to insure a car here ... and companies will insure you
here. I was told last year, that in spite of 1 clear years
driving and no tickets in that time, that were I to move to
Toronto and look for insurance ... a) I'd be lucky to find a
company willing and b) I'd be paying almost double what I am
paying in Ottawa. Home and contents insurance is also significantly
higher in Toronto.
Most people commute far less in Ottawa, so their travel costs work
out lower in spite of higher gas prices, and we spend far less time
sitting in traffic jams wasting time and gas.
Over all the cost of living for a family is probably lower here.
Stuart
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| 542.11 | | BRADOR::HATASHITA | Hard Wear Engineer | Tue Jan 14 1992 23:21 | 11 |
| My car insurance went up when I moved from Toronto to Ottawa. It was
an unpleasant surprise. It only went up by about $20/year though.
The place I rented in Toronto was in the Annex. The place was nicer
but the neighbourhood wasn't. I figured that should cancel out.
I dunno. I've spoke to other displaced Torontonians and they say the
same thing about cost of living being higher in Ottawa. But you're
right about the traffic.
Kris
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| 542.12 | re: Higher insurance rates | KUTIPS::LACAILLE | Half-filled bottles of inspiration | Wed Jan 15 1992 12:07 | 13 |
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Kris,
Either - 1. you are getting shafted, or 2. The insurance company
found out about a traffic violation when you changed addresses.
Toronto is notorious for having higher insurance premiums as
compared to Ottawa.
Charlie
ps Could be that you weren't driving to work in Toronto and
you are here??
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| 542.13 | | SIOG::EGRI | | Wed Jan 15 1992 12:32 | 7 |
| I'm a Montrealer living in Dublin, Ireland. Could any of you supply
some numbers when speaking of things like rent or gas/petrol prices or
car insurance so I can put everything in its proper perspective?
Ta very much!
Ted.
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| 542.14 | Some dollars and sense | KAOFS::S_BROOK | | Wed Jan 15 1992 13:31 | 12 |
| Ottawa Toronto
Gas 48 58 cents per litre
Car Ins. 400 600 $ per annum
House Ins. 250 325 $ per annum
Avg. House 160000 240000 $ average house in area
(purchase price)
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| 542.15 | Where do you get 48�/l??? | OTOU01::BUCKLAND | Quality is not a problem | Wed Jan 15 1992 14:06 | 6 |
| re: .-1
Think you've got the gas prices a-about-f unless you know somewher I
don't. ;-)
Bob
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| 542.16 | Oh, Canada, we pay our tax to thee... | KAOOA::HASIBEDER | Trekkie DECie | Wed Jan 15 1992 15:10 | 16 |
| Hull (across from Ottawa in Que.)
Gas 56.5 �/litre
Car Ins. 600 (5 yrs. no accidents, no tickets, to/fro work <20kms.)
(was quoted 1300 by "The Personal" if I lived in Kanata!)
House Ins. 400 (Based on $120K evaluation - Aylmer)
Property 1900 (+400 School Taxes)
Taxes
Total taxes paid (visible and invisible) in 1991: >55% of gross
income. Now that's gross!!! I am seeking economic asylum!
Otto.
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| 542.17 | $1.09/USgallon | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Wed Jan 15 1992 15:30 | 2 |
| Hehehehe... I paid 28.7 cents (ok 32.8 CDN) per liter for my last fillup
down here in no-tax land.
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| 542.18 | H0H 0H0! | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Sick in a balanced sort of way | Wed Jan 15 1992 18:52 | 8 |
| Well, up here the taxes are worth it! Our Prime Minister doesn't barf on
planet wide television, and you don't have the Grand Canal!
Live Free and get taxed to death!
I am a jelly doughnut!
Glenn
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| 542.19 | 53� /litre in Carleton Place maybe ... | KAOFS::S_BROOK | | Wed Jan 15 1992 19:05 | 14 |
| re .15
You are indeed correct ... the gas prices are head about face.
What is so very galling is the fact that in the Valley (i.e.
Carleton Place etc.) gas is about 52.9 and is consistently lower
than Ottawa, while the oil companies say that our costs are
higher than Toronto because of transportation costs ... hahahaha
Gas is shipped bulk to Ottawa and then distributed through the
Valley and they pay LESS than we do ?????? And worse is that the
Ontario and Federal beauracrats believe this codswallop!!!!
Stuart
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| 542.20 | Competition from more smaller stations does it | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Thu Jan 16 1992 08:59 | 2 |
| Gas is cheap (US$0.99/USgallon) in Anchorage, but expensive (US$1.59/USgallon)
in Valdez, right next to the oil terminal.
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