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| 472.1 | Toronto for World Rounders Champs! | OTOU01::GANNON | Mind that bus! What bus? SPLAT!! | Wed Jul 17 1991 14:16 | 4 |
| What? Again?
They always seem close -- but don't quite make it. Still best of luck
to them.
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| 472.2 | Pittsburg Pirates win in 5 games | FROSTY::FAUCHER | | Wed Jul 24 1991 08:30 | 5 |
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They'll never beat the Pittsburg Pirates....
Pittsburg Pirates 1991 WORLD CHAMPIONS.
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| 472.3 | Maybe Some Year | RHODES::NEWFELL | | Tue Aug 20 1991 14:28 | 10 |
| The Blue Jays are a good team but they always choke during the
latter part of the season. It seems like they just don't have
enough to finish off their opponents. I would like to see them
win at least once in the near future. I am a die hard Red Sox
fan having lived in Massachusetts all my life, so I hope
the Sox's catch up this year and crush the Blue Jay's hopes.
Maybe someday when the Sox are in last place and not even in
contention then the Jays will win the pennant and the World
Series. Then again, talk about hard luck, I wish the
Red Sox's would win the World Series.
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| 472.4 | it is to laugh | TROOA::GOBRIEN | Blue Jays tickets accepted here | Tue Aug 20 1991 16:25 | 5 |
| It is indeed humourous to observe fans of the team that has gone for
the better part of a century without winning the World Series to
declare that an expansion team of 15 years 'always chokes'.
Glenn
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| 472.5 | In the know | KAOFS::D_NYMAN | | Mon Aug 26 1991 12:48 | 3 |
| As a fan of the Red Sox's, he is probably an authority on chockers
:-))).
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| 472.6 | | OTOOA::POND | | Mon Sep 09 1991 12:47 | 12 |
| Update time...
Well, let's see now. Monday morning, Jays just swept the hapless
Indians this weekend. In fact, I think we went 12-1 on the season with
Cleveland.
And oh yeah, 5-1/2 up on the Red Saps and 6 up on Detrotch, with a few
weeks left in the season.
Pack it in Boston fans...
Pittsburg? I'm not even going to lower myself...
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| 472.7 | Choking again | CGHUB::FAUCHER | | Thu Sep 19 1991 15:55 | 9 |
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The sox are only 2 games out at the moment. Looks like the
Jays are in the CHOKE mode.
Don't knock the Pirates they're 10 games up.
Oh well! Sox and Pirates in world series.
Pirates win in 5 games.
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| 472.8 | a Red Sox fan should know about choking, but... | TROOA::GOBRIEN | Glenn O'Brien | Fri Sep 20 1991 09:23 | 7 |
| Jays have been in first since June. Regardless of the size of the
lead, the Sox have not caught them. The Jays have been consistent in
the second half, while Boston has had a good streak, then a bad streak,
etc. Patiently waiting for the Boston collapse to follow the current
winning streak.
Glenn
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| 472.9 | Detroit was 1st briefly | SKIVT::W_PIPER | bill piper | Fri Sep 20 1991 12:00 | 5 |
| re: .8
Seems to me the Tigers were in first place for a day or so, no?
-piper
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| 472.10 | never out of first | TROOA::GOBRIEN | Glenn O'Brien | Fri Sep 20 1991 12:27 | 9 |
| re: .9
That's correct: no. The Tigers were briefly tied for first, but never
alone in first. Please note the gap between Detroit and Toronto now.
Then, as now, having the second place team closing the gap is
unimportant. The Jays have won when they had to win, and the Red Sox
can not continue to play .800 ball.
Glenn
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| 472.11 | | NETCUR::REID | Calling Elvis... | Fri Sep 20 1991 16:46 | 9 |
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Greetings from Boston!
Sox will sweep the Yanks this weekend and the Jays will wish they never
heard of California. Sox will be up by 1/2 game on Monday. Have a good
weekend!
Marc
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| 472.12 | Good Monday Morning Marc! | TROOA::SMCDONALD | | Mon Sep 23 1991 09:05 | 11 |
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GREETINGS FROM TORONTO MARC!!!
GUESS AGAIN!!!!
re:-1
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| 472.13 | | NETCUR::REID | Calling Elvis... | Mon Sep 23 1991 10:36 | 11 |
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re: .-1 <<< GUESS AGAIN! >>>
okay, I'll guess I was wrong? But, remember, it ain't over until the
fat lady sings and orders out for pizza.
This is gonna be fun....
Marc
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| 472.14 | | OTOOA::POND | | Mon Sep 23 1991 12:18 | 11 |
| What I hate are these people who make a big point out of the fact that
the Red Sux are 'only one game out in the loss column'.
Come on guys, a spade is a spade, they're 1-1/2 games out. Just
because they have played less games doesn't mean you can automatically
count that as an extra win.
At this point, it will not be decided until the last weekend of the
season.
JP
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| 472.15 | Well...... | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Sick in a balanced sort of way | Mon Sep 23 1991 12:36 | 7 |
| It's hard to beleive that only a month or so ago, the Sox were 11� out
and were only � out on Sunday. The Jays have got to be worried.
Anyways, Pittsburg vs. Minnesota in the World Series and just like the
Stanley Cup finals, Pittsburg wins in 5.
Glenn
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| 472.16 | another point of view | TROOA::GOBRIEN | Glenn O'Brien | Wed Sep 25 1991 09:41 | 5 |
| Jays up by 2, 3 in the win column. :-)
Magic number and number of games remaining is 10.
Glenn
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| 472.17 | | OTOOA::POND | | Wed Sep 25 1991 12:38 | 11 |
| I was thinking about this on the way to work this morning...Minnesota's
magic number is 3. If they clinch by Thursday, then they will roll
into SkyDome this weekend for their first game(s) after winning the
West.
What do you think they will not start their regulars, and not really
play very hard? In which case Toronto whups 'em. Or maybe they would
extra motivated, knowing that they will have to face the Jays in the
ALCS...
Thoughts?
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| 472.18 | | OTOOA::POND | | Mon Sep 30 1991 12:19 | 13 |
| -.1
Well, this didn't happen, but may be very well the case next weekend.
If it really matters by then, since the Jays will probably clinch
against California this week.
Magic number = 3
Where are all the Boston fans now�? Big bad Milwaukee swept ya eh?
I'm starting to hear a distant swelling of music and an overweight
woman clearing her throat...
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| 472.19 | UPDATE PLEASE | GVA01::ATKINSON | Just the facts kid | Mon Sep 30 1991 12:39 | 5 |
| Can't seem to access HECKLE::BASEBALL, seems to be that the JAYS are on
schedule though! How many games are they up? How many games left? Magic
number still 3?
Alan
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| 472.20 | by request | TROOA::GOBRIEN | Glenn O'Brien | Tue Oct 01 1991 15:20 | 49 |
| AL East Pennant Race
W L PCT GB GR
Toronto 87 70 .554 - 5
Boston 83 73 .532 3.5 6
Magic Numbers
Toronto's number (Blue Jays wins + Red Sox losses) is 3
Boston's number (or tragic number) is 10
Games remaining
Toronto California - Oct.1,2 at Minnesota - Oct.4-6
Boston Detroit - Oct.1-3 Milwaukee - Oct.4-6
Toronto's record versus the American League up to
30-Sep-91
Home Away Total
Detroit 5 - 2 3 - 3 8 - 5
Boston 2 - 5 2 - 4 4 - 9
Milwaukee 4 - 3 3 - 3 7 - 6
New York 3 - 3 4 - 3 7 - 6
Baltimore 3 - 3 5 - 2 8 - 5
Cleveland 6 - 0 6 - 1 12 - 1
23 - 16 23 - 16 46 - 32
.590 .590 .590
Minnesota 4 - 2 2 - 1 ($3) 6 - 3 ($3)
Chicago 3 - 3 2 - 4 5 - 7
Oakland 3 - 3 3 - 3 6 - 6
Seattle 3 - 3 4 - 2 7 - 5
Kansas City 3 - 3 4 - 2 7 - 5
Texas 4 - 2 2 - 4 6 - 6
California 1 - 3 ($2) 3 - 3 4 - 6 ($2)
21 - 19 ($2) 20 - 19 ($3) 41 - 38 ($5)
.525 .513 .519
44 - 35 ($2) 43 - 35 ($3) 87 - 70 ($5)
.557 .551 .554
East 23 - 16 23 - 16 46 - 32
West 21 - 19 20 - 19 41 - 38
West (proj.) 1 - 1 2 - 1 3 - 2
46 - 32
44 - 40
90 - 72
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| 472.21 | | NETCUR::REID | Calling Elvis... | Tue Oct 01 1991 16:35 | 17 |
| re: 18
< Where are all the Boston fans now�? Big bad Milwaukee swept ya eh?
< I'm starting to hear a distant swelling of music and an overweight
< woman clearing her throat...
We're still here, barely...
Is that what *you* thought that sound was? Down here *we* thought it sounded
someone choking :-)
The next reply should be of interest to you guys....
Marc
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| 472.22 | | NETCUR::REID | Calling Elvis... | Tue Oct 01 1991 16:37 | 37 |
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RED SOX PLAYOFF ODDS
(....Provided by an economics whiz at another major Mass. company)
As of now (10/1/91) the probability is 4%.
If Boston wins tonight and Toronto loses: 11%
And Boston wins tomorrow and Toronto loses: 28%
And Boston wins Thursday (Toronto off day): 37%
And Boston wins Friday and Toronto loses: 74%
Below are the assumptions used for computing the probability that the Red Sox
will at worst have a playoff game vs. Toronto. The probability of Boston and
Toronto winning are provided based on the estimated pitching matchups. The
odds vs. 5 are also provided.
Tues Weds Thurs Fri Sat Sun
Boston Clemens Hesketh Morton Gardiner Bolton Clemens
Det/Mil Tanana Terrel GullicksoOdette? Plesac Wegman
Prob'lity 67% 60% 53% 57% 57% 65%
Odds to 5 10 7 6 7 7 9
Toronto Guzman Candiotti Stot'myreKey Guzman
Cal/Min Fetters McCaskill Tapani Erickson Bad
Prob'lity 63% 60% 50% 50% 65%
Odds to 5 9 7 5 5 9
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| 472.23 | | OTOOA::POND | | Tue Oct 01 1991 16:54 | 11 |
| re: -.1
That's really amazing stuff! Great job! Wow!
But doesn't this still mean that the Sox are big losers?
Just thought I'd throw that in...
Buds will have to hit better than last night to clinch...think maybe
they're counting their chickens before they've hatched...my guess is
still Wednesday, but we'll see..
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| 472.24 | Jays clinch at least a tie | TROOA::GOBRIEN | Glenn O'Brien | Wed Oct 02 1991 08:34 | 20 |
| The Blue Jays have clinched at least a tie with the Red Sox, as the
magic number drops to one. To tie, the Jays would have to go 0-4,
while the Sox go 5-0.
Toronto beat California behind yet another tremendous outing by Juan
Guzman. Guzman (10-2) has now won 10 consecutive decisions as a
starter, breaking the team record of 9 held by Dave Stieb. Boston lost
8-5 to the Tigers, but needed 3 runs in the bottom of the ninth to make
it that close. Clemens took the loss, proving that even he is human in
September.
The four millionth fan will arrive at the SkyDome tonight, to watch Tom
Candiotti (13-13) try to clinch the Jays' third division win in six
years. The previous attendance record, set last year, was broken on
Monday.
It's not over till the fat lady sings, but when she sings, it will be O
Canada in the ALCS!
Glenn
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| 472.25 | the numbers don't lie - Toronto is great | TROOA::GOBRIEN | Glenn O'Brien | Wed Oct 02 1991 08:52 | 55 |
| AL East Pennant Race
W L PCT GB GR
Toronto 88 70 .557 - 4 Magic number is 1
Boston 83 74 .529 4.5 5
Detroit 81 76 .516 6.5 5
To those who beleive the Jays are sometimes a 'choke' team, please note
that over the previous five seasons, NO OTHER TEAM in major league
baseball has a good a September record. In each year, the Jays have
played above .600. Even the year most often associated with this
'choke' label, 1987, was one of their best Septembers. It is not
remembered that prior to the last seven defeats, Toronto had a 19-5
record to get into first by that 3� games.
September Record
W L Pct GB Post-Season
1987 19 12 .613 2
1988 22 7 .759 2
1989 17 11 .607 - L 4-1 to Oakland
1990 18 12 .600 2
1991 15 12 .556 - vs. Minnesota
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91 52 .636
Below is the Blue Jays team history. Currently, the Blue Jays are 53
games below .500, but over the past 8 seasons, they have averaged 90
wins a year, and are on track to win 90 this year. Also interesting to
note is the coicidence between odd-numbered years and performance.
Their three titles have come in 85, 89, and now, 91 (87 should have
been as well).
Blue Jays History
W L Pct
1977 54 107 .335
1978 59 102 .366
1979 53 109 .327
1980 67 95 .414
1981 37 69 .349
1982 78 84 .481 First respectable finish
1983 89 73 .549 In pennant race until late August
1984 89 73 .549 Finished second to World Series Champs
1985 99 62 .615 First Division title, lost ALCS to Kansas City
1986 86 76 .531
1987 96 66 .593 Lost to Tigers in the best 3-game series ever
1988 87 75 .537
1989 89 73 .549 Second AL East title, lost to Oakland in ALCS
1990 86 76 .531
1991 88 70 .557 Third AL East title
1157 1210 .489
Avg 83-90 90 72 .557
1991 88 70 .557
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| 472.26 | Congrats to the JAYS | CGHUB::FAUCHER | | Thu Oct 03 1991 08:05 | 13 |
|
Congratulations to the Blue Jays for winning the ALCS East
division.
I hope that they can beat Minnesota for the league championship.
But I still say that Pittsburg will win the world series.
Bert
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| 472.27 | #4,000,000 | KAOOA::VLASIC | | Thu Oct 03 1991 09:01 | 2 |
| Just wondering....does anyone know what the four millionth attendee
received last night?
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| 472.28 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Sick in a balanced sort of way | Thu Oct 03 1991 10:30 | 1 |
| A boot to the head!
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| 472.29 | kaidok | KUTIPS::LACAILLE | Half-filled bottles of inspiration | Thu Oct 03 1991 11:21 | 5 |
|
Gee Glen, don't take it so rough...how is the old head doing
anyway? Still swollen?
Charlie
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| 472.30 | | OTOOA::POND | | Thu Oct 03 1991 12:08 | 8 |
| Phase I...done. The American League East 1991 Champions Toronto Blue
Jays. Kinda has a nice ring to it, eh? And on Wednesday, as I
predicted.
Well now it gets interesting. I would really like to see Atlanta vs.
Toronto for the World Series.
Thoughts?
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| 472.31 | If he can do it maybe I can do it! | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Sick in a balanced sort of way | Thu Oct 03 1991 13:22 | 5 |
| Anybody but the Dodgers!
I'd like to see Lasorda in a trebuchet!
Glenn
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| 472.32 | No Series win for Jays | VAOU02::BOTMAN | Pieter Botman - Vancouver EIS | Thu Oct 03 1991 13:22 | 24 |
| The Jays deserved their AL East title. Considering how successful they
have been financially, and the level of fan loyalty in general, I
expected the Jays to be "contenders". Any team with the largest
attendance should automatically be contending - if they aren't,
they are misusing their funds!!!
But this doesn't make them world champions - wealth alone can't create
a dynasty. They need experience as well as ability. They need
traditions as well as $$$.
I was in T.O. when they were awarded their franchise. The city went
nuts for a while. I (being an Expos fan) resent the self-assumed title
of Canada's national team. Further I made a prediction then, and I
stand by it (even in these tough times for the expos):
The Blue Jays *may* reach the World Series before the Expos, but
will not win it before the Expos.
Part of my prediction stems from the above comments concerning
tradition and experience. Cash can buy a lot in baseball (witness
the Yankees of the mid 80's) but it can't buy a world series.
Pieter
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| 472.33 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Sick in a balanced sort of way | Thu Oct 03 1991 13:25 | 2 |
| I hear they are putting in a trebuchet in the Big-Owe so they can get
rid of those slabs of concrete that keep falling off.
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| 472.34 | And then reality set in... | TROOA::SMCDONALD | | Thu Oct 03 1991 13:43 | 7 |
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RE: .32
come on Pieter!!! The Expos????
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| 472.35 | Besides, no trebuchet is big enough. | SWAM2::MCCARTHY_LA | Martians are stealing my underwear | Thu Oct 03 1991 13:51 | 9 |
| re: .33 and that other one, too
Glenn,
Lasorda in a trebuchet, eh? That's that sort of talk that can get you
banned for life from LA_STUFF... not that I'm threatening, you
understand, but, ahem, someone might accidentally put you on the
University of Calgary Alumni Association mailing list ... I don't
imagine that you'd like that much, now would you ....
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| 472.36 | Raise Their Rent! I can't afford to subsidize them! | KAOFS::LOCKYER | Garry | Thu Oct 03 1991 14:23 | 8 |
| I think it's wonderful that the Jay's are on the road to the World
Series, but can anyone explain why those of us living in Ontario,
particularly those outside Toronto, have to pickup the deficit
for the Skydome? If the Jay's are so financially succesful, why
are my taxes going (or is going to go) up?
Garry
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| 472.37 | | TROOA::SMCDONALD | | Thu Oct 03 1991 15:12 | 5 |
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What about the Montreal stadium???
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| 472.38 | ex | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Sick in a balanced sort of way | Thu Oct 03 1991 15:41 | 3 |
| Still no concrete answers on that one.
Take a ride on the Grand Canal and ask lyin' Brian.
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| 472.39 | Baseball subsidies...not unique to Canada | TROOA::SOLEY | I will not belch the national anthem | Fri Oct 04 1991 09:52 | 26 |
| It's not quite as simple as all that. On paper at least Skydome is
breaking even, in fact, discounting interest payments it makes a tidy
profit. The only problem is that the stadium corporation has $350M in
loans outstanding, just paying the interest on the loans eats away all
of that lovely profit. Now the provincial government has guarenteed those
loans, this means that if any of the loans were called and the stadium
corporation couldn't pay the government would have to. Things could go
along like this for a long time, as long as the stadium corp keeps
making it's interest payments it's unlikely anyone will call the loans,
but someday, maybe sooner than later we'll be left holding the bag. So
for the time being at least you're not subsidizing the Jays.
I got a kick out of the recent press coverage of the 1 year anniversary
of Toronto losing the Olympic bid to Atlanta, seems nobody who's
whining about this has noticed that the people who were involved in the
Olympic and Expo bids (absolutely, positively guarenteed to make gobs
of money they tell us) are in large part the same people who
absolutely, positively guarenteed that the Skydome would make gobs of
money.....
Baseball subsidies are not a uniquely Canadian thing, Spy magazine had
an article about a year ago which detailed the subsidies teams recieve
in the form of very cheap rent for publicly financed stadia, I seem to
remember that there is at least one team that only pays $1 a year to
play in the municipal stadium.
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| 472.40 | | SIOG::EGRI | | Fri Oct 04 1991 10:41 | 10 |
| I'm from Montreal too and I hope that the Blue Jays win the Series
before the Expos. If they don't, Canada will have to wait an awful long
time for the Expos to do it. Heck! by then they may not even be in
Canada anymore.
Ted.
P.S. Congratulations Toronto, those attendance figures are amazing and
show up Montreal fans for being what we really are. Philadelphia
Phickle Phans.
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| 472.41 | | NETCUR::REID | | Fri Oct 04 1991 11:56 | 10 |
|
Congrats to Blue Jays - a real class act. Really cool the way the
players came out of the dugout and waved to the crowd. Strangely
enough, the same night was "Fan Appreciation" night down here at
Fenway. The players did not come out to acknowledge the fans, and
probably would have given us the finger anyway....
Good luck,
Marc
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| 472.42 | | OTOOA::POND | | Fri Oct 04 1991 12:23 | 20 |
| Remember the line in Monty Python's Holy Grail, where the father of the
bride said to the folks assembled at his daughter's wedding reception,
after Lancelot had (mistakenly) slain most of the wedding party (and
punched the mother of the bride in the face) in a vain attempt to
rescue the groom from the occasion:
"...now, now, these are happy times, let's not dwell on these
unfortunate happenings..." (or something like that).
In other words, if I had intended to start a Montreal Choke-spos note,
I would have! This note is strictly reserved for discussions of the
Jays.
Look's like Cito has set the starting rotation for this weekend's
series with Minnesota, but has said nothing yet about the ALCS. I also
noticed that Las Vegas was favoring (heavily I think) the Twins over
the Jays in the Series, citing home field advantage at the Hubert-dome
as a major differentiator.
Thoughts lads?
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| 472.43 | The official reference. | OTOOA::POND | | Fri Oct 04 1991 17:30 | 23 |
| Lancelot: Oh, sorry... See what I mean, I just get carried away... Sorry...
Sorry... Sorry everyone...
Guest 1: HE'S KILLED THE BEST MAN!
Other Guests: [general moans "aaw...", turning to angry grumblings.]
Egbert: Hold it! Hold it! Please, hold it! This is Sir Lancelot from the
court of Camelot, a very brave and influential knight, and my special
guest here today.
Lancelot: Hello...
Guest 1: HE KILLED MY UNCLE!
Other Guests: [More angry grumbling.]
Egbert: Please! Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not
bicker and argue about who killed who... We are here today to witness
the union of two young people in the joyful bond of holy wedlock.
Unfortunately, one of them, my son Herbert, has just fallen to his
death.
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| 472.44 | Eat 'em up Jays! | POLAR::RUSHTON | տ� | Fri Oct 04 1991 17:37 | 8 |
| I think that scene should be re-enacted in Skydome on the occasion of
the Jays winning the World Series, using the fans as the wedding
guests. Cito could be Launcelot.
Yes, yes I can see it now...we could even start a rumour that the Jays
eat their dead.
James Pond could be the colour commmentator. Wow, man!
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| 472.45 | DID EVERYONE FALL ASLEEP | CGHUB::FAUCHER | | Fri Oct 11 1991 08:12 | 12 |
|
Has everyone gone to sleep??????????????
Here the Jays are in the playoffs and no comments are
entered.
I guess the you have very few Jays fans in Canada.
Bert from N.H.
Pittsburg will still win the world series.
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| 472.46 | no point posting twice - read BASEBALL | TROOA::GOBRIEN | Glenn O'Brien | Fri Oct 11 1991 08:49 | 6 |
| Most of the chatter is in the BASEBALL conference. Press 7 on your
keypad to enter, or type ADD ENTRY HECKLE::BASEBALL
There is a note on the Jays, and another on the ALCS.
Glenn
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| 472.47 | | OTOOA::POND | | Fri Oct 11 1991 12:28 | 3 |
| Gone to sleep?!? No way, we've been too busy watching Kelly Gruber
shaking his hips and sweet-swinging John Olerud (Canadian
in-joke...Americans may not get).
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| 472.48 | What happened????? | CGHUB::FAUCHER | | Mon Oct 14 1991 07:59 | 56 |
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What have the Blue Jays and the Red Sox have in common??
WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR
Bert
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