Conference iosg::all-in-1

2493.0. "EDIT a MailMessage (WP E) after MOVEing is possible..." by VNABRW::EHRLICH_K (Never met a Lady like her before!) Wed Jan 29 1997 14:08

Hi,

today I found -for me and CoV- really nasty problem within ALL-IN-1 V3.1 and 
V3.2. Maybe this is the way it works, but this I can't believe ;-)

MOVING a mailmessage - doesn't matter if local or remote - from one
drawer to another one (e.g. from the V32_MAIN_drawer_on_Node_A to a
V31_MAIN_drawer_on_Node_B) works pretty fine. The mailmessage is really
moved, all attributes seem to be here (e.g. status=READ,type=MAIL).
The MOVE is done by using TeamLinks V2.7.

But now: User tries to EDIT it by using EM E (form EMC).
         Message appears on the screen: 'You can't edit a READ message -  
         please file the text first' Right! Ok!
But then: User is clever and uses EDIT from the WP subsystem (form WP):
          Bingo, (s)he can MODIFY it.
          And when you now go back to the EM subsystem and do a Read
          or a forward you don't forward the original message, this
          means you can easily 'replace' mails. Waaaarrggghhhhh...

<<Modify-flag is yes...>>

Will be a good idea when WP will prevent this 'feature'.
Many thanks in advance for all your thoughts!

Cheers
Charly

On the V3.2 System before moving away. (The original message)

------------------------------------- TOP --------------------------------------
                            Showing ALL-IN-1 message
 
Subject:             I/A:Enrolment f�r Auslandstrainings
Title:               Enrolment f�r Auslandstrainings
Sender:              ECKNER_M
Sender's Full Name:  Michael ECKNER @AUI
Sender's Tel No:     DTN: 754-2506
Current Drawer:      MAIN
Drawer Owner:        EHRLICH_K
Current Folder:      DIGITAL                      Status:            READ
Type of Document:    MAIL                         Document Number:   004454
Date Created:        01-Jun-1995 09:32            Modifiable:        NO
Last Modified:       01-Jun-1995 10:02            Deletable:         YES
Date Sent:           01-Jun-1995 10:03            Forwardable:       YES
Date Received:       01-Jun-1995 10:04            Autoforwarded:     NO
Deferred Date:                                    Read Receipt:      NO
Expiry Date:                                      Read Receipt Sent: NO
Priority:            FIRST_CLASS                  Delivery Receipt:  NO
Sensitivity:         COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL         No of Attachments: 0
Importance:          NORMAL                       Handling:
Reply Requested:     NO                           Data Type:         WPSPLUS
Reply-by Date:
Reply Sent:          NO
MR Id:               20408010605991/671855@DECAUX
Interpersonal Message (IPM) Id: A956ZVUCED9X1
User Agent Content Id:          A956ZVUCED9X1
VMS Filename:        OA$SHARA956:ZVUCED9X1.WPL
Addressees:
  TO:  Karl EHRLICH @AUI                 ( EHRLICH_K )
#...#


On the V3.2 System after the MOVE:

------------------------------------- TOP --------------------------------------
                            Showing ALL-IN-1 message

Subject:             I/A:Enrolment f�r Auslandstrainings
Title:               Enrolment f�r Auslandstrainings
Sender:              ECKNER_M
Sender's Full Name:  Michael ECKNER @AUI
Sender's Tel No:     DTN: 754-2506
Current Drawer:      MAIN
Drawer Owner:        EHRLICH
Current Folder:      TEST                         Status:            READ
Type of Document:    MAIL                         Document Number:   000039
Date Created:        01-Jun-1995 09:32            Modifiable:        YES
Last Modified:       01-Jun-1995 10:02            Deletable:         YES
Date Sent:           01-Jun-1995 10:03            Forwardable:
Date Received:                                    Read Receipt:      NO
Deferred Date:                                    Read Receipt Sent: NO
Expiry Date:                                      Delivery Receipt:  NO
Priority:            FIRST_CLASS                  No of Attachments: 0
Sensitivity:         COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL         Handling:          WPSPLUS
Importance:          NORMAL                       Data Type:         WPSPLUS
Reply Requested:     NO                           Autoforwarded
Reply Sent:          NO                             by this account: NO
Message Id:
Interpersonal Message (IPM) Id:
User Agent Content Id:
VMS Filename:        [.DOC9]IRL38023.WPL
  
Addressees:
  TO:  Karl EHRLICH @AUI                 ( EHRLICH_K )
#...#
    

    I think you'll find that when the message is edited, the user name
    underneath the From (if you read it) will have changed, although the
    pretty name doesn't change. If not, then it certainly does change when
    you *SEND* it, when the pretty name should change too.
    
    I can't remember when we did this fix, but I think it was V3.1.
    
    If not, then we missed a path somewhere!!!!

    Hi Graham,
    
    	thank your very much for your reply. Yes, you'Re right, the name
    is changing. 
    
    But this explanation doesn't solve the problem. It shouldn't be
    possible to edit an original mail-message in any circumstances.
    Then you could easily allow EM E, too.
    
    So, the question now is, will a modification to WP E to
    have the same checks as in EM E be enough, or is it better to
    have a change in the MOVEing code, that the modify-flag is untouched,
    e.g. = 'N'. And that you have to 'file' the message first, so that
    the original mail-message isn't really touched.
    
    What I also found (see .0) is the the date-received is 'blank', too.
    
    IPMT time??
    
    Many thanks again for your opinion.
    Cheers
    Charly

    I'm afraid that this has been discussed numerous times in the past, and
    it's been decided that this is the way ot works. We think that the name
    change is enough to make sure that the message is recognised as a copy
    of the original.
    
    So, your IPMT would most likely be rejected.

    Hi Graham,
    
    	ok, accepted. I'll inform CoV that's the way it works. 
    If they don't like this feature then they can customize WP E
    by themselves.
    
    Many thanks!
    Cheers
    Charly
    

Karl,

CoV will love Exchange as the ability to modify mail messages with no date stamp
change or name change is standard - a feature inherited from MS Mail.

Dave