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    Jamie?
    
    What you bin smokin'?
    
    Laurie ;^)

    .. and where can I get some? :-)

    My wife just got this book from the library and can't put it down. It
    is one of those things when you read it you feel you are reading
    something that you've known for a long time. I would recommend the book
    highly, although I cannot say how accurate it might be. I will mention
    however that it is possible from this book to arrive at comparisons
    with future astrological and astronomical phenomena (and personally
    with the Mayan Calendar as I am studying this too) to verify and / or
    estimate certain hot-spots in time where significant events are likely
    to happen.

�    My wife just got this book from the library and can't put it down

I had that once when our library started using this new plastic sealing
technique on the covers!!!! :-)))))

But, seriously - the book sounds really good. It freaks me out when I get 
that feeling you mention that you know what you are seeing or reading is
somehow RIGHT or that you somehow KNOW there's something in it. I have had
that with "What Dreams May Come" and hard it through part of the film
"Communion" too! Eeek!

								- JIM CAD*

    There is a very interesting story which has appeared in many books
    regarding Nostradamus and a "trick" he played on his assistant.
    
    Before he died, Nostradamus told his assistant that he would one day
    dig up his grave and open his coffin. His helper said that he would
    never do this to his master. Around twenty years later, the same
    assistant was out having a right good booze-up with a mate, when they
    decided in a drunken stupor to dig up the grave of Nostradamus and open
    the coffin. The assistant didn't remember that he had told that he
    would do this twenty years previously.......untill they opened the
    coffin and found a plate hanging round the skeleton of Nostradamus. On
    it read the exact day and year that he would be unearthed, and he was
    spot on.
    
    It'd bring me out of a drunken haze pretty damn quickly I can tell you.
    
    Fact or fiction, who knows, but one fascinating bloke. I can't read
    enough about him.
    
    Ian

>    one of the quatrains was; "The only person who would ever successfully
>    interpret the whole work would appear at the end of the 20th century".
>    But this interpretation was not made by this person, but by another who
>    could not accurately do the interpretation. So is this Hewitt person valid?

A good question. If what you have written in quotes is a literal, or accurate
interpretation/decipherment of the quatrain in question, then one must clarify
what is meant by "the whole work" and "would appear".

"the whole work" means precisely that. My understanding is that this book is
probably an interpretation/decipherment of about 1% of Nostradamus' quatrains.

The other, "would appear" leaves us open to our imagination possibly, when one
considers the space-people, time-travel, possibly walk-ins etc. It was not
specifically mentioned that the person would be born in the twentieth century.

...meant to augment .0...

Sergei

    The autumn selection from the book club was terrible and I discovered
    that I could get a discount on the Nostradamus book, so I gave in and
    ordered it. It arrived unannounced last Friday evening. I say
    unannounced because when the postman calls with a parcel that will not
    fit through our rather slim letter box he usually leaves a form saying
    when he will try to deliver it. This time it just dropped in out of the
    blue, sort of unpredicted.

    There is a large section telling us how the marvelous new decoding
    works. There is also a bit showing how the decoding method, when used
    on the quatrains referring to events in the past, show staggering
    precision.

    Now people like me, who have a somewhat cynical outlook on life, tend
    to think, "It is one thing `predicting' the past since you know the
    answers, but predicting the future is entirely another kettle of fish."
    So I took a look at the earliest predictions in the book and discovered
    that some of them should already have happened.

    Well, I for one, must have slept through the ascension to the British
    throne of Charles the III during the end of 1991, and I must have dozed
    off again during his Coronation on the 2nd of May this year. I wonder
    if his mum was there?

    Now the book was sent to the publishers in 1991 so it is assumed that
    these events were in the future. However these amazing predictions were
    mysteriously absent from the advertising blurb, one can but wonder why.

    One event that was still in the future when the advertising blurb was
    written was of course, the outcome of the American election. Here the
    date was absolutely correct, uncanny that, but alas the predicted
    results were wrong, Bush and Quayle were shown the door by the plebes.

    Still in the future and looking to turn out correct is the ordination
    of women priests in the Anglican church. Mind you that doesn't really
    take a lot of ability since it was fairly obvious for years that it was
    on the cards.

    So if you are a resident of California and you are positively dreading
    five past seven on the 8 of next May you should take heart in the fact
    that the present predictions do not seem to have much to do with
    reality.

    Jamie.

 My but you must be a sound sleeper!

Karl

    Not to poo-poo Nostradamus, but anyone can be a prophet with a little
    careful analysis of human behaviour, as long as you're not bothered
    about time.  Of course, if you're an astrologer, too, you can read the
    stars and highlight future probabilities - and if they come true, hey
    you're a brilliant prophet.  Assuming that the people who interpret
    your results also read the stars, that is
    
    There's nothing new under the sun .... history has a wonderful habit of
    repetition.  :^)
    
    Brian

DCOPST::BRIANH::NAYLOR 
    
>    There's nothing new under the sun .... history has a wonderful habit of
>    repetition.  :^)
    
    So look for the patterns and make your own predictions.... then go
    write a book and give yourself an archiac sounding name and get rich
    and send us all on a trip to somewhere interesting..

    Funny you should mention writing, as I have written a book, although
    nothing like this subject - sort of faction, really.  I'm also working
    as editor on a book my wife wrote about 6-7 years ago but never got
    round to putting into publishable form.  That one is now being touted
    around various publishers.  No rejections - yet :-)
    
    Let's have a little fun with predictions though.  Here's one that's
    virtually guaranteed to come true if you wait long enough ....
    
    There will be an uprising by the world majority population against the
    white minority who have "ruled" for so long.  The outcome will
    initially be a bloody war in which no-one emerges as victor, followed
    by a period of chaos and famine.  The survivors will embrace a new
    order of humility and mutual cooperation.
    
    Sound familiar?  I personally guarantee that it will happen, and if it
    doesn't you have my permission to come back after the next millenia or
    so and wail bitterly over my grave .....
    
    Brian

    Well, It appears as though the "George Bush" re-election prediction
    was wrong.
    

    Yup and the old "Red Alert" in 1714.0 also foresaw Bush being
    re-elected. Never mind the next one is the earthquake next month, I
    wonder if that will prove to be a fake too?

    Jamie.

    Someone told me the other day that Nostradamus predicted a
    major earthquake for the Northern Arizona area on May 7th
    this year.  Does anyone know anything about this particular
    prediction?  
    
    Ellen (in Tempe)
    
    

    March 1st 1994. NBC has a 2 hr special relating  to many prophycies
    from ancient psychics(including  Nostradamus) for the year 2000.
    sounds interesting. 8-10 PM on the east coast...
    
    

    Caught most of the show.  Found it interesting.
    
    I am not well versed in the works of the prophets discussed, except for
    the Book of Revelation from the Bible, back in my religious zeal days,
    and some very elementary knowledge of Edgar Cayce.
    
    Perhaps those in this conference who are versed can provide their 
    observations of the show, if they saw it.
    
    I did find it interesting that the common thread running through all
    of the prophet's works was the environmental turmoil due around the 
    year 2000-2001.  As far as I could ascertain, they ALL predict doom 
    and gloom around that time period.  Rather bleak.
    
    The revised map of the US after all the disasters was interesting also;
    almost cut in half; gonna get crowded.  
    
    -Bill  

    I saw that show last night and it was AWESOME!  A great show!  Did
    anyone tape it?
    
    :), danielle

    I have been read only for a very long time, but now I would like to put
    my 2 cents in.  I found the program some what entertaining, but a
    little too much Hollywood.  By the end of the program I felt as if I
    had just sat through a propaganda film for the environmentalist.
    Don't get me wrong, I am not against conservation of the environment,
    just some of the lobbying that goes on for certain causes.  Again, this
    was just a "feeling" I got from the program.  
    
    I am certainly tired of hearing about the "end of the world as we 
    now know it" theme that is predicted at the end of this Millennium.  
    There are plenty of notes in this conference referencing this,
    and I tend to agree with those that think it is just reacation 
    to a millennium or century change.
    
    Kathy

    I only caught about 20 minutes of this near the end. I turned it off.
    It seemed a typical re-hash of all the prophecies we've been hearing
    about since the 1970's, starting with Hal Lindsey and the "Late Great
    Planet Earth" and the Nostradmus movie narrated by Orson Welles. 
    It's not that I don't consider them possibly valid, it's
    just that I've gotten tired of hearing the same thing so many times.
    
    The skeptic in me asks "if they are ALL predicting big problems at
    about the same year, then is it remotely possible that most of them are
    copying ONE SOURCE? Probably Revelation or Nostradamus?" 
    
    I'd also like to examine each and every prophecy of each and every
    prophet, tabulate the right answers, and get an idea of the accuracy of
    all these folks (like is done with Scallion in another note). 
    TV has the bad habit of presenting one side only.
    
    - Russ 

    I know hwat you mean about the "re-hash" aspect of it Russ but I liked
    having a condensed vrsion of several 'futurists' as some liek to be
    called, on one show.  I also got good ideas for books I'd like to take
    a look at.
    
    I have never heard of that guy Scallion and his interpurtation of the
    US "after" was fascinating to me....I look forward to reading more
    about him.
    
    And yes it was very 'hollywood' but hey it was up against the Grammies!
    I also noticed they squeezed most of their commercials into the ;ast
    hour - the first commercial wasn't aired until 8:27 - I'm sure they
    were hoping mpst people would be hooked by then and wouldn't channel
    surf.
     
    Jt

    Re .21:
    See note 1870, and also portions of the "natural disasters" topic for
    more on Gordon-Michael Scallion's predictive (in)ability.
    
    Mark

    Thanks for the pointer Mark - I did a DIR/TITLE=Scallion after my note
    and have read almost all your notes.
    
    Jt 

    I viewed a  tape of that Ancient  Prophecy program and found  it to
    be a mixed bag of predetermined  conclusions by the producers.
    
    The 1999 prediction by  Nostradamus has been getting many interpret-
    ations through the years and the  form of the prediction that was
    read was not an  accurate translation. I have my opinion and  many
    others have theirs.We shall see in July 1999?
    
    The Edgar Cayce sequence was the most potent one for me since his
    "readings" are all on file and unable to be altered.Unfortunately,
    I hope he  is wrong on  this one.
    
    Rog
    

I saw a repeat of that show last night.  It lost me for two reasons.

1) it was too much of a dramatization of the information and felt
rather sensationalist.

2) GMS has so little credibility with me that I don't bother to waste
my time on his predictions.  

It seems to me that predicting significant events to occur at the millenium
is old hat (happens every thousand years with similar but lesser levels
every 100  8-).  Why would the universe conform to an artificial date
system created by humans?

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