Conference hydra::dejavu

    That's really good, Cindy!

    
    Geese also leave the area when the going gets tough. ;-)
    
    
    guy

    Ah... they're not stupid either... good for them. :-)

    
    Mary,
    
    Although the source is unknown, it was read to us by the Energy
    Balancing workshop leader, Nijanand, during my trip to Kripalu 
    last week.
    
    Immediately we all asked for a copy....
    
    Cindy

    
    re: .3 (Mary)
    
    Certainly this is a sensible way for geese to have adapted.  But
    for human beings....well, we have more options.  We have the
    ability to choose to stay and fight our fears.
    
    guy

    
    Oh, to be a goose......

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>    Certainly this is a sensible way for geese to have adapted.  But
>    for human beings....well, we have more options.  We have the
>    ability to choose to stay and fight our fears.
    
     Actually, guy... geese have options too.  Should they fight the
     urge to fly as soon as the first hunter fires or should they stay
     and face the rifle?  :-) ... seems to me that the smart goose is
     the one that finds a more comfortable pond to swim in.
    
     Seems to me that when it comes to fight or flight throughout the 
     course of our own evolution... the flighters probably outlived the
     fighters.
    
     And why fight fear anyway?  I mean... fear is a response... it's a way
     of gauging a situation... it's your self telling you something...
     expressing a concern for you.  To stop and analyze the emotion rather
     than act on it is to lose valuable time in a critical situation, don't
     you think?
    
     Of course... there are times that one cannot flee ... and there are
     times when one should not flee..

    
    re: .7 (Mary)
    
    Of course whether to stand your ground or not depends on the 
    situation.
    
    So, no, it's not a good idea to face a gun.  But what the geese
    are fleeing from is, generally, winter and famine.  Then again,
    not everything from a gooses life is going to be analogous to
    our own - even in a mythological sense.
    
    I was speaking in terms of human fears and emotions.  I've never
    been a goose, but I doubt they have quite the same degree of 
    conscious ability to decide they're going to brave the winter.
    
    Human fears (the ones *I* was thinking about) are more often 
    derived from bad thinking processes than from instinctual drives.
    In the case of humans, it does us well to analyze the thoughts
    behind the fear....unless someone's got a gun to your head.
    
    guy

>    Of course whether to stand your ground or not depends on the 
>    situation.
    
     True enough... some things just aren't worth fighting over.
     ... most things actually...
       
>    So, no, it's not a good idea to face a gun.  But what the geese
>    are fleeing from is, generally, winter and famine.  Then again,
>    not everything from a gooses life is going to be analogous to
>    our own - even in a mythological sense.
    
     Rather sensible geese though... seems to me anyway.
        
    >I was speaking in terms of human fears and emotions.  I've never
    >been a goose, but I doubt they have quite the same degree of 
    >conscious ability to decide they're going to brave the winter.
    
    That's where geese seem to have more on the wing than humans 
    sometimes. :-)  
    
    Why brave the winter when there's food and warmth down South?  
    Humans don't follow their own instincts though... they
    have to analyze everything to death and agonize over every little
    thing.  
    
    Sometimes it's better to follow your instinct .. don't you think?
    
>    Human fears (the ones *I* was thinking about) are more often 
>    derived from bad thinking processes than from instinctual drives.
>    In the case of humans, it does us well to analyze the thoughts
>    behind the fear....unless someone's got a gun to your head.
    
    Some people get so caught up in the analysis though, guy... that they
    forget the goal... the goal becomes the analysis... sort of like
    one of those little gerbils running on a wheel...running, running...
    never getting anywhere...
    
    Of course, other times it is better to analyze the thoughts behind
    the fear as you've said... unless (of course) someone's got a gun to 
    your head. :-)

    
    What if it is your instinct to analyze? ;-) ;-) ;-)
    
    Actually, I'm not so big on analysis, at least in the long run.
    Analysis should be about 10 seconds....then a decision should 
    follow, along with action.  Okay, 10 seconds may be a bit short,
    but I believe, as do you, that people get lost in the analysis
    part and never do anything.  The real answers only come after
    you've made your decision and are in the middle of doing the
    action part...;-)
    
    what this all has to do with geese I haven't the slightest about....
    
    ;-)
    
    guy

    
>    What if it is your instinct to analyze? ;-) ;-) ;-)
    
     Oh... I can see one goose that isn't going to win this one. :-) :-)
    
>    Actually, I'm not so big on analysis, at least in the long run.
>    Analysis should be about 10 seconds....then a decision should 
>    follow, along with action.  Okay, 10 seconds may be a bit short,
>    but I believe, as do you, that people get lost in the analysis
>    part and never do anything.  The real answers only come after
>    you've made your decision and are in the middle of doing the
>    action part...;-)
    
    true..
        
>    what this all has to do with geese I haven't the slightest about....
    
     I'm not sure either but it's beginning to make me hungry.    ;-)
    
mary    

    
    How about some goose flesh? ;-)
    
    guy

    Ohhhh :-)
    
    At this point, I'm beginning to relate to them .. I'll probably never
    be able to eat roast goose again.... until Christmas that is. :-)

    Justt don't give me a goose. :-). BTW geese bite children in the butt.
    I've seen and heard of it several times.
    
    PJ

    I've seen the goose thing going around for a while now.  While the V
    formation is correct, the part about geese helping wounded geese is not
    true (just ask a goose hunter).  I believe I have read in other places
    that they mate for life and that mates do stay together if one is
    injured, but I'm not certain of those sources.  I don't know goose 
    language well enough to verify what they're saying when they honk.  
    In fact, I doubt if anyone knows goose language that well!
    
    Mary

    
    Kripalu is strictly vegetarian...
    
    Cindy

    re: .6 (Marilyn)
    
         You want to be goosed?   Shouldn't be a problem.
    
    
    ;-)
    Frederick
    

    
    Shoulda known you'd want to get in on the goosing action...;-)
    
    guy

    re: .18 (Guy)
    
        Depends on who it is and what the reception committee is
    like.
    
    ;-)
    Frederick
    

    As a sidenote to the general theme of this topic, [domestic] geese
    have been kept by mankind since ancient times to serve as 'burglar
    alarms' since they are somewhat territorial, raise quite a ruckus
    when aroused, rather easily perturbed, etc.  Geese are credited with
    alerting the citizenry of Rome in 390 B.C. to an attempted stealthy
    invasion of Gallic soldiers who otherwise would have had a considerable
    surprise advantage.  Presumably geese still serve as 'sentinels' or
    'burglar alarms' even today in parts of Southeast Asia.

    Um, I have known several farms in the recent past that kept watchgeese.
    
    Mary

    Re. .17 Frederick,
    
    Sorry I was out yesterday, and didn't see your note till this morning.
    I guess I should phrase my replies more carefully. Actually, all these
    replies are giving me goose bumps :^)
    
    For my affinity with geese, take a gander at my reincarnation note, 
    somewhere around the latter 1200's here in DEJAVU.
    
    Marilyn
     

    My grandparents had neighbors who obtained a few geese.
    Since there was water on my grandparents land, the 
    geese would frequently visit.  They accepted my grand-
    parents and never bothered them (grandfather use to 
    feed them too so I guess they like the place even more).
    
    They could be across the street on their own property,
    but should anyone enter my grandparents property they 
    would cease their activity and come over honking and
    chase the intruder off.  Many a meter reader or oil
    delivery man took off in haste.  Even I had to call 
    ahead for protection. 
    
    Joanne

    I want a place like that.

    Mary,
    
    When you get the land in Maine homesteaded, just get yourself
    some domestic geese.  I believe you have some water (a little
    stream), should be just what they want.
    
    You're heading towards it,
    Joanne