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    tj,
    
    The extraction sounds similar to what I've heard termed a 'pull out'
    used in spiritual/energy healing.  It is when the healer helps you to
    recall the experience which caused a 'disease' to occur in a specific
    part of the body, by remembering the cause and then having the healer
    'pull out' the fear/anger that has been stuffed into that area.
    Seems to be very effective in my experience.
    
    I'm unclear about soul retrieval.  Could you explain further?  My
    confusion is when you refer to more than one soul leaving the body to
    escape the experience.
    
    Interesting topic.  Thanks for inputting it.
    
    Ro
    

                                            
    Re. 0 (Green)
    
    Hi there!
    
    This procedure of extraction sounds very similar to a chapter I read 
    in "Travels" by Michel Crichton entitled "An Entity", where he worked 
    with someone who was able to banish an unwelcome entity in his aura at 
    the astral plane level.  Crichton had created it to protect him from 
    some difficult childhood years, however the entity was now holding him 
    back from forming intimate relationships with people as it was 
    manifesting itself in his life in the forms of harshness, secretiveness, 
    and so on.
    
    "Travels" is an autobiography of sorts, where he talks about his 
    various explorations of the physical world and non-physical realm and
    what he learned from them - mostly learned about himself. Excellent 
    book. 
    
    Taunya - please write more, particularly about the retrieval - thanks. 
    
    Cindy

    Ro -
    
    Further explanation on soul retrieval - 
    
    When something very traumatic happens to an individual, emotional
    or physical, it can cause part of you to literally leave the body
    to escape the extreme physical and psychological pain associated
    with the incident.  As explained to me, this is to help you to survive,
    to continue on.
    
    At ages 2, 9, 15, incidents occured to me that caused parts of me
    to leave because they could not endure the trauma.  Shamans use
    terms like `soul loss' and `soul retrieval' to address this.
    
    The person who did the extraction for me could not tell at which
    age the spiritual intrusion entered, but said it seemed old.
    
    Soul retrieval is a very powerful technique that can cause
    side-effects, such as emotional crises or a need to make changes
    in one's life (you have regained a part of you that has been missing
    for years).  My two year old was happy when she was found (she was
    in a dark void).  The 9 yr old was hiding in a closet facing the
    wall, full of sadness.  The 15 yr old was quite sassy (found in
    a dark void also).  I feel that it is very necessary to bring these
    parts back, but am experiencing the pain, anger, and sadness associated
    with the original traumas.  It will take a lot of integration and
    work to welcome back and join together these souls that were lost.
    
    A very positive feeling I am experiencing is that of being much
    more aware and `here' than I've felt in a long time.  I will be
    meeting with the person who did the extraction and soul retrieval
    next week, she will go on a diagnostic (shaman) journey to see if
    she can receive input as to what I can do to further the healing.
    
    Enough for now - have a good weekend.
    
    tj
    

    Cindy .2
    
    That does sound similar to what I know so far.  Also, I should have
    clarified that the spiritual intrusion occured at the same time
    as one of the traumas - I was open and vulnerable.
    
    I had a session prior to the actual work in order for the guide to
    to journey and determine what healing would be helpful.  It was
    then, with the help of her power animal, that the spirit intrusion
    and soul loss was discovered.
    
    The next session (my son was with me, age 16) was when the extraction
    and soul retrieval was done.  The extraction was first, followed
    by the retrieval.  The power animal was very instrumental in removing
    the extraction.  It was thrown towards a body of water.  It is the
    shaman belief that when a negative energy/entity is submerged in
    water it is transformed to positive when emerging.  Also, a rattle
    was used over the area where the intrusion was to bring it to the
    surface.  A crystal was used in conjunction with a journey to find
    the lost souls.
    
    Now I'm really saying good night & have a good weekend.
    
    tj
    

    TJ,
    
    This may sound dumb, but, I'll ask anyway. What made you realize that
    you need help to retrieve your lost parts of your souls? Or was it
    coincidence to find out that's what you needed? What I'm trying to say
    is that you took the initial step to go to this lady who helped you,
    but did you know that you needed some sort of spiritual help before got
    to her?
    
    I don't mean to intrude, but was just curious, since most people who go
    through traumas don't end up with soul retrievals, and don't even know
    about them.
    
    
    YFI

    I am uneasy with the idea of "souls" as the terminology here.
    Are they actully souls or would it be better to use the word
    "thought forms".  I think this would sound more accurate.  The
    whole notion is rather fascinating.
    
    jp

    Response to .5
    
    Was this a coincidence on discovering the need for the soul retrieval?
    
    In a sense it may have been.  But then I believe that when the timing
    is right, new knowledge is placed in your path.  There was a workshop
    coming up in Shamanism/Process Work that I was going to participate
    in.  This was an advanced workshop, and I had not attended the one
    just prior to it.  However, I did have other previous exposure to
    the Shaman beliefs.  One of the leaders of the workshop wanted to
    meet with me pior to the workshop beginning to determine if was
    `ready' for the advanced group.  During that session she went on
    a Shaman journey for me to see if there were any suggestions or
    questions that needed to be addressed before beginning.
    
    It was during this session that she was made aware of the need for
    a extraction and soul retrival.  I consider myself very fortunate
    to have had this encounter.  I am aware that it will take a long
    time to integrate the intensive work that we did during the actual
    extraction and soul retrieval.
    
    It was very interesting to me that two of the ages, 9 & 15, coincided
    with traumatic events that happened to me but I was unaware of until
    my sisters told me about them.
    
    Response to .6  (why not call them them thought forms instead of
    souls?)
    
    Because of the spiritual realms involved and the belief that is
    parts of yourself that are split off (lost souls), thought forms,
    to me, misses the intensity and depth of the occurrene/event.
    
    References for those who would like more info:
    
    Shamanism: Archaic Techniques by Mircea Eliade
    Mastering Your Hidden Self by Serge King
    
    
    On Journeying:
    
    The Way of the Shaman: A Guide to Power and Healing by Michael Harner
    
    
    tj
    

    How would the Shaman explain Multiple Personality, the condition
    that usually occurs in response to unbearable physical trauma at
    an early age, but in which the alternate personalities appear to
    stay in the body rather than to leave it?
    
    Virginia
    

    RE.8
    
    Multiple personality vs soul loss - 
    
    This question came up for me also, when I was reading `Birth of
    a Modern Shaman'.  Tayla suffered extreme mental, physical, and
    sexual abuse when she was young; she experienced severe trauma even
    in the womb.  Later, in the integration of the resulting multiple
    personalities, some personalities were welcomed into the `oneness'
    and some were souls that had attached themselves to Tayla when she
    was very vulnerable and open and they were sent on their way.
    
    This is even a more complex example.  There was no mention in the
    book of soul retrieval.  It raised a lot of new questions for me.
    
    I will ask my guide when I next meet with her, how all of this,
    (if it does) relates to the different situations.
    
    tj
    

    re: .10
    
    Were the souls that had attached themselves to Tayla when she
    was vulnerable Tayla's souls?  And where were they supposed to
    go when they were sent on their way?
    
    Virginia
    

    Re.10
    
    There were spirits attached to Tayla that were not her's.  When
    they were dismissed, it was not mentioned where they went.  When
    I had the extraction done, my guide told me that the entity would
    not want to leave, as it liked where it was and did not know where
    it would be going.  I did experience a sharp, quick physical pain
    when it was pulled out.
    
    tj
    

    Re.11 (Green)
    
    Taunya,
    
    That's exactly what happened to Crichton (in his "Travels" book).
    
    Cindy

    Re: .7
    
    Hi TJ,
    
       I was curious to know, if you dont mind me asking, you had mentioned
    in note .7 that two of the ages..9 & 15 coincided with traumatic events
    that happened in your life but was unaware of them until your sisters 
    told you about them...   What were these incidents...??
    
    If its to hard to talk about it,  I can understand, I was just curious.
    
    * Cindy... 
    
        The book you mention in note .2 sounds very deep,  I think I might
    look into getting a copy....
    
    
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