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| Title: | Psychic Phenomena |
| Notice: | Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing |
| Moderator: | JARETH::PAINTER |
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| Created: | Wed Jan 22 1986 |
| Last Modified: | Tue May 27 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 2143 |
| Total number of notes: | 41773 |
1194.0. "Trivial precognative dream." by CADSYS::COOPER (Topher Cooper) Wed Jan 03 1990 17:04
Apparent precognative dreams about disasters or major victories,
personal or public, are the most dramatic and therefore the most
discussed and remembered. But careful surveys indicate that many
if not most seemingly precognative dreams are about minor or even
trivial things. I thought I would share one such event here.
On Sunday morning, December 24, 1989 I was staying at my wife's
grandmother's house in the Bronx. I had a dream about (in part) being
in a kind of boat race held in an arena -- something like the Roman
coliseum when they would flood it to present naval battle shows. When
I arrived I found that the vessels were large elaborate, but rough-hewn
dugout canoes. In fact, when I thought about it (in the dream) I
realized that I and my team-mates had made our boat ourselves, as had
the other teams. The contest as such made little sense: we paddled as
fast and as hard as we could, but in no particular direction.
Occasionally attempts would be made by the contestants to tip over
or otherwise disrupt the other boats.
The image was unusual and vivid enough that when I awoke I mentioned
it to my wife, something that I only occasionally will do.
Later that day I read an article in the New York times. It was on
a back page (page 36, section 1 part 2), but included a picture. It
was not until the next day that the relation struck me.
The article was about how the giant, 64 foot Haida indian dugout canoe
which has been on display at the American Museum of Natural History in
New York since 1883 was being restored. It is too large to be casually
moved (I imagine that they would have to rip walls down) and so the
restorers are working in full view of the public -- in effect the
restoration effort has become a temporary exhibit (this is deliberate,
they could have shut down the hall instead).
Upon reading this I felt a minor wave of nostalgia: as a child and
teenager I had often visited the museum and had always been fond of
the canoe and its wooden passengers.
I don't know whether or not this was a "true precognitive" dream or
just a coincidence, but large dugout canoes are not commonly
encountered either in my life or my dreams. Although I am not now
keeping a dream diary, I cannot remeber ever having dreamed about
a dugout before and some skimming of some of my old diaries, did not
reveal any such dreams. Also note the apparent classical subconscious
word-play transformation: museum to coliseum. And of course the
restorers, working in the canoe are on display in a large room (like
athletes in a stadium), and are doing things whose purpose is probably
for the most part completely mysterious to the onlookers. To my mind,
at least, the parallels are striking: as striking as one normally gets
in dream versions of events from the day before (so much so that I
had to double check the Times at the library, just to be *sure* the
article hadn't actually appeared on Saturday).
Topher
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| 1194.1 | | USAT05::KASPER | All life can be a ritual | Wed Jan 03 1990 22:01 | 27 |
| Very good Topher! Aren't dreams magical? I'll share two that I had; one
of a significant event and the other on a more personal level.
On the night before the October stock market crash a few years back
I had a dream in which the accounting firm Coopers & Lybrand found
some "irregularities" in the books of Xerox and made the news public.
The Xerox stock began to fall so fast that the SEC stopped trading
on the NY exchange.
This is very unusual for me since I am not in the least bit interested nor
do I own any stock. I record my dreams and this is the first one I had
had that involved the stock market or anything financial.
The other occured the night before I attended a workshop. Leaving out
the details of the dream, there was a sequence in which I was trying
to make a deal with a man to buy two damaged file cabinets. The man
told me that because the cabinets had "grease marks, scratches and dents"
he would sell them to me for half price.
The next morning the person conducting the workshop used that exact phrase
(grease marks, scratches and dents) in a discussion about working with our
chakras.
Neat when it happens, the trick is discovering why...
Terry
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| 1194.2 | precognitating a precognitative dream | USAT05::KASPER | All life can be a ritual | Sun Jan 07 1990 19:03 | 13 |
| re: .0 (Topher)
Okay, this is strange. I record my dreams using a tape recorder and
usually over the weekend transcribe them onto paper (computer, actually).
Well, I just finished the group from this past week. Guess what. On
January 3 (recorded it at about 3:00am on the 3rd), I had a dream in
which I was looking for a dug-out canoe. Your note was posted around
5pm in the 3rd.
You figure it out.
Terry
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| 1194.3 | Precog^2, I love it. | CADSYS::COOPER | Topher Cooper | Mon Jan 08 1990 11:23 | 27 |
| RE: .2 (Terry)
> You figure it out.
As a parapsychologist, that's what I've been *trying* to do for 17
years or so. Get back to me in 10 years or so and I'll tell you how
I'm doing. :-)
> <<Seriously now>>
Can you give me any concrete idea of how often your dreams include that
particular idea? To see why that's important, take the following
extreme case: if every night one dream or another included that image,
then there would be absolutely nothing odd about you having it on the
night before I posted my note.
Also, purely being technical -- your dream was *retrocognitive* for
my precognative dream, *clairvoyant* or *telepathic* for my intention
to post, and *precognitive* of my posting, or... most likely, of the
event of you *reading* my posting.
Were there any relevant context to the canoe? Was it a particularly
large one, or roughly the size of a "standard" sport canoe? Did you
record any context which would have placed the canoe "on display" in
any way, or was it being used for sport or demonstration?
Topher
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| 1194.4 | an idea | BRNIN::BEST | | Mon Jan 08 1990 13:19 | 11 |
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Topher,
If I had had that dream I would probably have interpreted it in
and of itself the symbolism being as rich as it was (and of course,
I would have contrasted it with whatever was going on in my life).
I would consider the finding of the canoe in the newspaper as being
synchronistic - perhaps the only meaning being to remind you that
a satisfying interpretation to that dream had not been found.
Guy
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| 1194.5 | Some details | USAT05::KASPER | All life can be a ritual | Thu Jan 11 1990 10:48 | 13 |
| RE: .3 (Topher)
I looked through my three years worth of dreams (I have written some
software that extracts and builds a dictionary of symbols) and it is
the only dream in which a canoe or any kind of dugout vessel occurs.
We (don't know who the other person was) were searching for it (don't
know why) along a river or canal. It was the size of a normal canoe
but rough looking. When we found it, it was empty and lying along
the shore near a cave entrance. There were no others in the dream
at this point. The terrain along the river was heavily wooded.
Terry
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