Conference hydra::dejavu

>                     -< Communication - Spirit to spirit >-
    
>    So what is it that makes communication possible between us in the 
>    physical body and those who are discarnate?

Karen,

why don't you include the "spirit-to-spirit-communication" between two persons
alive, ie *telepathy*?

Arie

    Arie,
    
    You are one step ahead of me!  I almost went into telepathy in the first
    note, but decided to save it for a subsequent one.  Thanks for the
    pointer.
    
    Kb
    

    How does communication take place?
    
    Spirit communication takes place by the process known as telepathy. 
    Telepathy is a natural means of communication between all spirits.  Most 
    people, I believe, can recall at least one experience of tapping into 
    or receiving another person's thoughts.  This happens quite often with
    people who are closely connected with one another, particularly within
    intimate one on one relationships, (friends or significant others), and 
    within families.
    
    In western culture we tend to question and not accept this process of
    communication as being valid.  There are many more cultures in the
    world who not only consider it valid, but use it daily as a means of
    communication.  A woman friend of mine related an interesting story to
    me a year or so ago.  She went home to Trinidad where this form
    of communication is accepted, to visit her family who she hadn't seen in 
    quite some time.  She was sitting talking with her mother and all of a 
    sudden her mother stopped and put her hand to her forehead for just a 
    few moments as if she was thinking about something.  Then she resumed 
    talking but not until she apologized saying that she had forgotten to 
    tell her son to also pick up some bread at the market and she was 
    letting him know.  Her apology came in that she felt embarassed that
    they still did not have more *modern* means of communication (like a 
    telephone) available.  The son later returned from the market with the 
    loaf of bread.  
    
    I also recall hearing that other cultures teach a similar technique to 
    their children.  If the child should become lost, s/he is instructed to 
    send a thought to the parent and to concentrate on his/her physical 
    surroundings and to send that picture to the parent.  The parent then 
    receives a visual image of the place where the child is which assists 
    in finding the missing child.
    
    This same telepathic process is used in communicating between incarnate 
    and discarnate human beings.  When you develop as a medium or channel,
    you learn how to attune your mind to the more subtle levels of
    consciousness.  This is often done through meditation.  Meditation
    allows a person to attune and access more of the subconscious,
    non-censoring aspects of the mind, where this type of communication
    takes place - regularly - our conscious minds are just not always aware
    of it.  In this respect, the conscious mind acts as a mute button and 
    with good reason.  Although the conscious mind can frustrate and limit us 
    many times, it serves a very good purpose.  It allows us to focus 
    ourselves in the physical world to perform the tasks necessary for the 
    physical body to literally survive here.  I imagine there are very few 
    people who could handle being open and receiving communication from 
    several different worlds at once.  To use the analogy of a radio, the 
    conscious mind acts as the tuning dial to focus us in on one station 
    at a time rather than receiving 3 or 4 simultaneously.      
    
    Attunement to spiritual realms can also occur through many right-brain
    activities such as dancing, playing an instrument, and various forms of
    artwork.  Particularly if we do these activities inspirationally. 
    Oftentimes spontaneous insights come to us through these activities and
    also through the more mundane activities such as washing dishes,
    driving a car, walking...  Not all of our "ah ha's" may be messages 
    from discarnate shipmates, some may be from the higher self,
    but all of them tend to foster the notion that within this grand cosmos
    we *are* able and can learn how to tap into outher levels of life and 
    awareness.
    
    One other note - telepathy is the exclusive means of communication
    between human beings without physical bodies.  And the thing about
    telepathy is that the pure intention behind a thought is not only very 
    much apparent, but *cannot* be hidden.  Telepathy is a total and 
    complete means of communication.  In the physical world it may be easier 
    for us to cloak our intentions, and perhaps for us to even hide them
    from ourselves, but not so in the more subtle realms of spirit. 
    
    Actions then become secondary in importance.  Intention, or what you
    *think* about what you do is the most important thing to consider.  If 
    our actions are chronically discordant with our intentions, eventually 
    we will find our world crumbling down around us one day and wonder why.  
    The answer will be found in our intentions.
    
    This is one of the reasons why human beings in spirit can be so helpful
    to us in the body.  Our pure intentions are very much evident to them, 
    whereas they may be unclear to ourselves.  They often seek to help 
    us align our intentions with our actions thereby assisting us to *live*
    more deeply from our true selves.
    
    Kb 
    

    Just to qualify something I said in the previous note about intentions:
    
    My statement that ....if our world is crumbling down around us one day 
    and we're wondering why - the answer can be found in our intentions,
    was lacking a bit in perspective.  There are other reasons beyond
    simply an incongruency between actions and intentions that can cause
    our world to crumble.  I should not have stated that as such an
    absolute.
    
    Also, if our intentions are unhealthy in the first place, our friends 
    in spirit will try to assist us in healing and transforming them into 
    more positive ones first before they help us to align our actions with 
    our intentions.
    
    Thank you,
    Kb
        

    RE: .3 kb
    
    >  In this respect, the conscious mind acts as a mute button and 
    >with good reason.  Although the conscious mind can frustrate and limit us 
    >many times, it serves a very good purpose.  It allows us to focus 
    >ourselves in the physical world to perform the tasks necessary for the 
    >physical body to literally survive here.  I imagine there are very few 
    >people who could handle being open and receiving communication from 
    >several different worlds at once.  To use the analogy of a radio, the 
    <conscious mind acts as the tuning dial to focus us in on one station 
    <at a time rather than receiving 3 or 4 simultaneously.      
    
    I met a very interesting artist this weekend.  She is a painter
    and is very gifted.  A mutual friend had asked if I would do an
    astrological reading for the artist as a birthday gift.  This
    woman's work is incredibly rich.  The whole time I was in her
    home, my emotions were being touched on different levels by her
    work.  This is an artist who, I believe, receives telepathic
    inspiritation a lot of the time and from many different levels.
    From looking at her chart and from talking with her, I don't 
    believe she would be able to "close down"  this channel of
    inspiration.  In fact, I feel that if she did not allow this
    outlet into something creative and visionary, she would probably
    become physically ill because the energy is so potently charged.
    
    This was an experience that changed me on some level.  It certainly
    gave me first hand experience with a whole different arena of
    spirit communication than the one I work with, which is sharing
    of information and healing.  In a way, I feel some sadness in that
    I related to this artist's images so strongly and know that at
    times I also receive intensely real images like the ones she
    paints, however I haven't found the means to translate them into
    physical reality.
    
    Carole

    Carole -.1
    
    You make me wonder if perhaps there are many artists who receive this 
    kind of telepathic inspiration, and that's why some of them have 
    difficulties relating to society in general and are oftentimes perceived 
    as being eccentric, whacked-out, or schizophrenic.  It's sad in a way. 
    It also must be incredibly frustrating for these people at times.
    
    Just curiosity, but did you get the sense that this channel of potent 
    visionary energy poses problems for her at times?  And if so, how does
    she deal with it, or is that something you were able to help her with?
    
    Also, I hope you find the means to translate your intense images into
    physical reality.  It sounds like it might be very important for you to
    do.  Perhaps some form of art could work for you?
    
    Kb
    

   RE: .6 kb
        
   > You make me wonder if perhaps there are many artists who receive this 
   > kind of telepathic inspiration, and that's why some of them have 
   > difficulties relating to society in general and are oftentimes perceived 
   > as being eccentric, whacked-out, or schizophrenic.  It's sad in a way. 
   > It also must be incredibly frustrating for these people at times.
    
     Yes, I think this can often be the case.

   > Just curiosity, but did you get the sense that this channel of potent 
   > visionary energy poses problems for her at times?  And if so, how does
   > she deal with it, or is that something you were able to help her with?
    
     It does cause problems and we did discuss this during the reading.  
     Just having someone to talk with that understood the dynamics was
     of some assistance.

   > Also, I hope you find the means to translate your intense images into
   > physical reality.  It sounds like it might be very important for you to
   > do.  Perhaps some form of art could work for you?
    
     Yes, I would love to be able to put the images onto canvas with oils.
     And perhaps do some work with pottery or clay sculpture.  What happens
     is that I get overwhelmed with the intensity of the imagery and don't
     have the slightest idea of how to reproduce it the way I am seeing it.

     C.

    Carole,
    
    Hmmmm.  Maybe we'll have to wait to create these images in more subtle
    realms after our life here.  I know of no way to capture with physical
    tools what you describe.  I have started to do artwork as well with
    pastels.  It does help, but you are right.  It just doesn't seem to do
    the imagery justice.  Oh well, we can always see how close we come
    though, right?
    
    smile,
    Karen
    
    

re: .7 (Carole)

     > Yes, I would love to be able to put the images onto canvas with oils.
     > And perhaps do some work with pottery or clay sculpture.  What happens
     > is that I get overwhelmed with the intensity of the imagery and don't
     > have the slightest idea of how to reproduce it the way I am seeing it.

     Don't try to!  If you feel the desire to release creativity try to do
     so without any expectations regarding the result.  For me, first and
     above all, art is a process not a means to an end.  If I get hooked on
     the outcome and set specific expectations every mark I make is measured
     against the expectation and frustration usually sets in.  Sure I care
     about what becomes the final step in the process but I try to let it
     grow with me, not let it lead me.

     When I feel the need to be creative (paint, draw, pottery or whatever
     else comes to mind) and I make excuses not to do it, I usually end up
     ill in one way or another.  I encourage you to plunge in!

     Terry

    
    
    RE: .9 Terry
    
    Thanks Terry!  Your words are true....I *have* been making excuses.
    Another one that usually crops up just about now is "I don't have
    the time".  Won't that negative ego *ever* shut up! ;-)  Again,
    thanks for the encouragement!
    
    C.

    Terry .9
    
    Only recently did I discover the benefits of seeing art as a process. 
    Before that time, I would draw images and get a little frustrated
    because I would say to myself "I can 'draw' it better than that".  Then
    spend time drawing it over with mixed results, but end up losing the
    original inspiration.
    
    Then I happened on art therapy and met an artist who encouraged me to
    as you say, see art as a process of expression.  It helped
    tremendously.  I began a journal which is composed of both written and
    art expressions.
    
    Thanks for the encouragement,
    Karen
    

    re: .10, .11

    To keep this tangent going for just a bit...
 
    It really is the process that is important to me and can be very helpful
    (as you, Karen, have discovered).  What is even more interesting to
    me is that it is a model for what I feel the life process is all about.
    I strive to take what I learn about the creative process and apply it
    to my everyday living (this is part of the therapy aspect for me).  Art 
    is not a goal, neither is life.  As our paintings (or whatever), and our 
    life unfold we need to be open to the possibilities and potential for 
    growth via change and not fear the outcome or measure the assumed affect 
    of change against our view of how our ego perceives the final result.

    Carole, I use the same excuses too.  I find when I do it is usually 
    because I have a preconceived notion of how I want something to turn out
    and, from experience, I know it is very difficuly to reproduce an initial
    image/idea.  I know that during the process I'll have to deviate from my
    initial goal and I fear that the final result won't stand-up to my 
    expectations.  The neat part is that when this happens, I can look at my
    life and see that I am usually in a situation where I am faced with the
    necessity for change (sometimes small, sometimes big) and am held back
    because of the fear of the uncertainty of the result.  When I realize this,
    I go to work (on canvas or paper).  If I can get through the creative
    process unscathed, this can help me move ahead in my "real-life" decision
    making and take the steps to cause change.  It really helps.
   
    To help to tie this to the topic, I feel that art and the crative process,
    for me, is a way to "connect" to both my Higher Self, Counselors and who 
    knows who/what else in such a way as to provide needed assistance.  Not 
    only can the result of a creative endeavor be a means of communication,
    so can the process.
    
    Terry

    
    As there are many ways to live life, so there are many ways to create
    what we call art - in images, words, music, whatever. 
    
    Many artists work with a vision in mind or before them, and in giving
    themselves the flexibility to create the vision and adjust, create and
    adjust, they achieve their goal - more or less.  I say more or less
    because I know artists who never quite perfect the vision, and keep
    adding/changing. editing, reworking even after others have accepted the
    so-called completeness of what they've done. As a writer, I'm guilty of
    editing and re-editing even after my work has been published. Actually,
    I think musicians and dancers may have the greatest latitude in their 
    ability to rework their creations each time they perform them.
    
    If I were to offer advice, it would be to avoid getting hung up on the
    process itself, and hold onto the vision. 'Wasted' materials are far 
    less costly than wasted dreams.
    
    
    Gloria
    
    off on the tangent with you all... 

    Gloria, et al...reading the past few replies has just
    sparked a vision.  Now I want to capture it!  
    
    k

    
    This is great - I've never had much of a desire to draw, however I love
    the snow mountain oil scenes and have decided to give them a try. 
    There is this fellow on PBS television who has written a book entitled
    "The Joy Of Painting".
    
    Cindy

    re: .15
    
    Gee, with a name like Painter, how could you go wrong? ;-) ;-)
    
    (sorry I couldn't resist.)
    
    	- Bill

    Gloria .13
    
    Yeah!!!  I love it:
    
    >	Wasted materials are far less costly than wated dreams.
    
    :-)      dance ~ dance ~ dance     hum ~ hum ~ hum  
    
    K .14:
    
    Hi Karen!  Glad you caught the vision (or it caught you?).  
    Go for it!
    
    - the other Kb
                                                              

    Thanks, Karen!  Yup, it just caught me right out of the blue.
    
    This IS an important tangent.  
    
    Karen (KEB)