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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1105.0. "Post-mortem survival test announcement." by CADSYS::COOPER (Topher Cooper) Tue Aug 08 1989 17:24

    The following notice appears in the current issue of the Journal of the
    American Society for Psychical Research (Vol. 83, #3, July 1989, p.
    286).  This is the entire notice and I have no other specific details,
    although I could answer questions on the general concept of tests of
    this kind.
    
    					Topher
    
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    				   NOTICE
    
    		      Has Arnold Barber Survived Death?
    
    Arnold Barber is dead.  He left a test message enciphered under a
    system designed by Arthur S. Berger called the "By the Numbers" Test
    for Survival.  The key for the message is a single word.  Mr. Barber
    intended to communicate this key after death to enable his message to
    be deciphered and so to provide evidence of his survival of death.
    
    The Survival Research Foundation, which is investigating the question
    of human survival after death, will pay $1,000 to the first person who
    sends the Foundation the key word that will decipher Arnold Barber's
    test message.
    
    Please send any key word purporting to come from Mr. Barber and a
    description of how and when it was obtained to:
    
    			Survival Research Foundation
    				PO Box 8568
    			Pemboke Pines, Florida 33084
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1105.1a closed mind is a terrible thing for hasteFREEBE::TURNERMon Aug 20 1990 16:4013
This doesn't prove a thing. Who was looking over his shoulder while
    he encrypted it? Guardian angels or familiar spirits might have
    a vested interest in this. In the bible the first lie was "Ye shall
    not surely die" said to Eve. I was always taught that this lie is
    still being told. Just because a "spirit says he's someone doesn't
    make it so. How do you know? What are your assumptions? Just because
    a spirit knows info that no one else would know but the dead, doesn't
    constitute proof. Jesus spoke of death a a sleep, shich makes a
    lot of sense to me. All it takes is a tiny bit of damage to the
    reticular activating system and a person never wakes up again. Rotting
    away to dust is major damage by comparison. 
    
    				john
1105.2REGENT::WAGNERTue Aug 21 1990 08:5019
    john:
    
    	Shades of paranoia; I'm sure that making sure no one was around at
    the time  was the easiest part of the experiment.  If no one was aware
    of the experiment when he encoded it, no one would have been tempted
    to "look over his shoulder."  Speaking of temptation, I'm not sure what 
    the rest of your paragraph has to do with what was discussed in .0 but 
    one comment I would like to make on that part of your paragraph:
    
    	Actually, it must have been Adam who said the first lie since, when
    God asked him, he was the one who passed responsibility and blame to eve 
    for his own misdeeds.  Then Eve turned around and shirked her 
    responsibility by blaming the serpent. From MY perspective, the serpent 
    was the only one telling the truth; there is no death except for physical 
    death. Just my opinion(and a workable one.)
    
    
    Ernie,
    	Ernie
1105.3Serpent told a half-truthXLIB::JACKSONCollis JacksonTue Aug 21 1990 10:451
...which is much more dangerous than any lie...
1105.4And the Whole Truth?REGENT::WAGNERWed Aug 22 1990 08:365
    And in some circumstances, the whole truth can be even more dangerous;
    especially when it involves those of us who refuse to hear it (:'>  ). 
    
    Ernie
1105.5Worthwhile nevertheless...CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperWed Aug 22 1990 12:4113
RE: .1 (john)

    I quite agree.  Obtaining veridical information, supposedly from the
    spirits of the dead, can never eliminate the possability that the
    information was obtained from other sources -- including noncorporeal
    observers and some information gathering ability intrinsic to the
    living medium (ESP).  The hope is that by gathering many different
    kinds of evidence and looking at the patterns within that evidence that
    post-mortem survival of the personality may emerge as the most
    plausible of the alternate hypotheses.  As a piece of that larger
    effort, therefore, I support this research program.

					Topher
1105.6Got it !WBC::BAKERWhatever happened to Fay Wrey...Fri Nov 16 1990 12:2411
	I've got the secret word !!! I know what Barber said:





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