Conference hydra::dejavu

Nancy, did the prediction feel right to *you* when she said it?

I'd want to know who was predicting before deciding about their accuracy.

    
    RE:0
    
      Seek ye FIRST the kingdom of God and HIS righteousness; and all
    these things will be added! If you come to God, you MUST first believe
    that he IS God, and that he's a rewarder to those who deligently
    seek him!
    
    LORENZO
    

    
    
    A psychic I often talk to was met over the telephone.  It was a
    radio show where the radio audience called in and gave their first
    name and city/town they lived in.  I did that and he told me what
    my question was (it was involved), and proceeded to answer the question
    tho I never heard the answer because of shock/surprise. 
    
    Since seeing him over a period of years, we've become friends and
    often talk.  He would be the first to tell you that you have the
    ability to change what is said.  That about 80% of predictions will
    change because the individual chooses to do so.  Only 20% happen
    as they slip thru without being dealt with.
    
    My advice is to go for the position if it is really what you want.
    Put your whole heart and soul into it if it is important to you.  
    It's your life, don't let someone discourage you.  You may not get
    the position, but by trying, you may make contacts, learn more about
    that area of employment, etc.
    
    Good luck,
    Joanne
    

It depends on 'readings' work. If we can imagine mechanisms
to allow, for example, dowsing by map, or clairvoyance then
it's certainly possible to imagine readings over the telephone.

Basically, most of the things we talk about in this
conference are 'impossible' - so why worry about a
telephone getting in between? :-)

But if the readings depend on some subtle reading of 
the clients body - then the telephone will probably
get in the way. ;-)

John D.

    Re: .2	What's that got to do with the question asked in .0?
    		I don't think anyone asked what the bible says about
    		psychic phenomenon.
    
    Mark
    

M, I think what .2 is saying is, seek the answer from God first, before trying 
psychic-by-phone. (telepsychic??)

I'm less uncomfortable now than I used to be when someone quotes from the 
Bible.  Everything has its place, and I bring those quotes in to my life for a 
reason, if only to find out with what do I disagree.

Many psychics have been able to do some pretty remarkable things with 
only knowing the persons name and where the were at the time of the reading.  
Distance didn't seem to make any difference.  Since this kind of information 
comes from the 'invisible world', from what we don't know, once it is received 
by someone sensitive to it, what difference does their means of communicating 
it to us make?  

I would say it's possible but whether the woman is sincere, that's 
another question entirely.  You have to 'feel' that for yourself.
Since you asked the question and got an answer from the woman,  if
it doesn't feel right (the little voice inside) be careful not to let
what she said 'plant' a suggestion in your mind.  If the job is 
something you really want (and for good reasons) think positively
about it and you can make it happen.

Terry

    I too have wondered about these tele-psychics.  On a local radio
    station (94*ROCK) there is sometimes a psychic who answers questions
    that callers ask.
        
    She will ask for the callers initials or birthday or both, depending
    upon the question.  The mini-sessions are always a hoot, and it
    doesn't seem harmful.  But sometimes she will forbid going into
    a caller's question or will ask a caller to contact her personally
    if she feels certain situations warrant it.
        
    ***************
    RE <.2>
        
    Seek God's answer first?  And then if He doesn't answer, do I hang
    up?		;')                                                  
                                                                     
                                                                     
    Really, I seek him in everything I do.  The passages of the bible
    is not the end-all be-all channel through which He can be sought,
    or through which He communicates.  Remember, for the current Spiritual
    Age: "It is written in our hearts and our minds"!  Not merely in
    ink on paper (how tacky!).
        
    <------<Tony<<<  
    Seeking Hozh�j�
        

>    Seek God's answer first?  And then if He doesn't answer, do I hang
>    up?		;')                                                  

"I always answer, even if the answer is no."  George Burns in the role of GOD 
in OH GOD the movie (part one) %#}

Bible passages can be determined to be The Way/The Channel for some; 
interpreted a certain way, the Bible (as well as many other systems of seeking 
Spirit!) can be quite sufficient!  Something out of paper and ink, standing by 
itself, isn't written with my heart; it's my heart, involved in the reading of 
the Bible, and my mind over my emotions (DISCLAIMER: Not to discount 
emotions!!!) that does the "writing" as it interprets!

Meredith, at Hozh�j�, just hasn't taken it all in yet ;-)

    My Tarot teacher told me that she regularly does readings over
    the phone, but that it is of course much better to be able to see
    the person.  
    
    The way it works, is that she asks ther person who wants
    a reading to pick 4 numbers between 1 and 22.  She uses the "Tarot
    de Marseille" where each card is numbered, and takes the 4 cards
    with the corresponding numbers to do the reading.
    
    This can of course only work well with "customers" who don't know
    the numbers of the cards themselves.
    
    What amazes me is that the majority of her readings (even ove the
    phone) are accurate.
    
    What Nancy doens't tell us in .0 is HOW the reading was done:
    without any support (medium), using cards and/or numerology (eg.
    number of letters in your first name/date of birth) and/or astrology 
    (did the psychic ask your date of birth ?).
                       
    Ines ABEYA @GEO

    Re:  996.10
    
    My reading was done only by asking the psychic a certain question 
    (in this case "Would I get the job I want?") - she didn't ask for
    my birthday, personal information, or where I lived, etc.  
    
    I still haven't gotten the job yet....so maybe she was right!!
    
    Just kidding - I am still trying to keep a positive mental attitude
    about the whole thing.
    
    Nancy                              

    
    	Re .2 and replies  to it, what interest in psychic phenomena
    	do fundamentalist Christians have, or what is the born-again
    	position on psy-phenomena? Some people clearly have this
    	power, some (my mother, for one) have it and don't even *want*
    	it! Do you say it is of the devil?
    
    	Just asking.
    
    Neal/B

    
    .12
    
    perchance this should be a question placed in RELIGION? or 
    perhaps CHRISTIAN?
    
    	but then again what do I know... ;-)
    
    Craig

    
RE .12 (Neal)

>    	Re .2 and replies  to it, what interest in psychic phenomena
>    	do fundamentalist Christians have, or what is the born-again
>    	position on psy-phenomena? ...

Hm. I have found two types of reactions regarding this question, and not only
in Christian fundamentalist circles. The first type is that of fear for the
evil, embodied in "unnatural" phenomena. I have encountered this several times
in Christian fundamentalist circles, and every time I found out that they make
no distinction between "poltergeist"-like phenomena, clairvoyance, healing,
whatever. As far as I know the bible, there is no reference in there to support
this view.

The second type of reaction is found more often in eastern philosophies or
religions. They state that psi-phenomena like clairvoyance, healing, mind
reading etc. are things that you may acquire during your process of
enlightenment. They warn you not to focus on them, since such a focussing
actually may block you from further enlightenment: it focusses you too much on
earth-bound ("physical-world-bound") matters.

>       Do you say it is of the devil?

If, Neal, this is a question to Lorenzo, then I cannot answer it. However, I had
the *strongest* feeling while reading his reply, that he was speaking in line
with my second type of reaction. I have read it like this: please do not focus
on psi-phenomena; focus beyond it, and you may acquire it automatically if you
need it. 

At least, that's the way I appreciated his reply. Lorenzo?

Arie

                                                      
    Re.12 (Neal)
    
    I second the recommendation about going to the IOSG::CHRISTIAN
    conference and asking the question.  There are very few fundamentalist
    Christians who participate in this conference, so might be best
    to go where you would receive the answer you are looking for, complete
    with references to scripture to support their view.
    
    Cindy

    
    
    	Re .15, I'm boycotting CHRISTIAN in protest of their treatment
    	of Mike Morgan, which I felt was atrocious. Re .14, I was trying
    	to get a sense of what Lorenzo was getting at, so to speak,
    	or how the Bible quotation related to the original note. 
    
    	thanks,
    
    Neal/B

    reply to .16, Neal,
    
    Not to worry. It's not the first or last time that has/will happen.
    

    Oh well, the psychic was right!  I didn't get the job.  
    They are going to abolish the requisition I applied for or
    combine it with a different one (which would probably make 
    the position too technical for me to apply for).
    
    P.S.  I am still thinking positive!!
    
    Nancy

    TOO BAD!
    
    Sorry, Nancy! 
    
    
    2 POINTS  for the Psychic!!

    Just wanted to keep everyone informed....
    
    I didn't get the job I wanted at my site; however, I did get a
    job I wanted at another DEC site - shows what positive
    thinking does afterall! 
    
    Nancy

    Re.20 (Meyer)                
    
    Nancy - good for you on your new job - congratulations!  
                                        
    Positive thinking is amazing.
    
    Cindy

	I just "happened" to feel like reading this conference today, 
	and then I just "happened" to see this discussion -- this after 
	having just realized yesterday that some things had actually come 
	to pass that had been predicted	to me over the phone!   To wit:  
	earlier this year I called a physic who had been recommended to me 
	by a friend.   I thought, why not?  I had just had my chart read, 
	and I figured it would be interesting to see if her readings coin-
	cided with what he had said.   Without even asking for my birth
	date, the woman I called started to tell me about who I was and what 
	was going on in my life.  That's not the interesting part.  I told 
 	her the main reason I called was to see what she thought about the 
	possibility of my getting a job in DEC-UK, something my manager and
	I have been working on for sometime which could go either way.  She 
	told me that I would be in England in April, and that I would also
	meet someone (non-work related) while I was over there (not a typical
	thing for me to experience).  I subsequently forgot all about our 
	conversation.	

	It suddenly dawned on me yesterday that both predictions have come 
	to pass!  I have just returned from a two-week trip to REO to check 
	out the prospective job (okay, so she was off by a week), and while 
	I was over there, I did actually meet someone outside Digital who 
	will probably become a good friend if I go back!   As someone stated 
	earlier	in this discussion, we DO have the capability of altering the 
	directions in which we go, but even so, this was such a delightful 
	coincidence that I wanted to share it.   I also believe in the theory
	of "visualizing" yourself in the place that you want to be, so I've
	been doing a lot of that lately, too, which probably didn't hurt.

							--Cathy

    Cathy,
    
    Do you have the name and number of this person?
    
    thx,
    Jean