Conference hydra::dejavu

    Don't forget the year of the Fire Horse. The last one was 1966.
    It is every 60 years. It is said that those people born in
    those years and in the 6th month especially are bad or have a
    tendency to be. Don't remember where I read this one. Perhaps
    a Chinese buff could expand?
    
    Russ
    EW
    
    I'm sure a certain contingent will have a field day with
    the numbers. 6/6/66 etc! Just coincidence anyway. :^)

    re .1
    hmmm.  What is the skew between Chinese New Years and "western"?
    The Boar (1947 edition...) matches me "frighteningly" well.
    Interestingly enough, my middle name is said to be derived from
    the "Wild Boar" family.

    thanks
    dave "wild boar" pierson

Frederick,

Did you get that off of a placemat at Chinese resturant?  I see them
there all the time. ;-).

Actually, my eleven year old daughter recently bought a book on
Chinese astrology (why???, I don't know....).  I looked through it
and matched the descriptions up with people I know.  Seems to map
in a generic sense but it seems like it can go beyond the generic
stuff with a little research.  The signs, according to this book,
don't actually correspond to gregorian calendar years.  There are
actually date ranges for the signs for specific time periods that
are 'near' calendar years.  So if you are born near the beginning or
end of the year you may fall into the preceeding or following sign.
If anyone is interested in the actual ranges let me know and I'll
look them up.

Terry (the rabbit)

    re: .3 (Terry)
    
         Yeah, you caught me!  Actually, I hadn't seen them before,
    but felt that they were interesting.  I was sort of curious to 
    see how they would interplay with "Western" astrology...seems
    similar to me to the newspaper-type horoscopes that are printed
    daily (amusing but not too substantive.)  Perhaps at a deeper
    level there is more validity (as with astrologers who are serious
    can provide far more meaningful information than a horoscope can.)
    
    Frederick
    (doesn't saying what animal you are give away your age?)  ;-)
    

.3> Terry (the rabbit)    
.4>    Frederick
.4>    (doesn't saying what animal you are give away your age?)  ;-)
    
Frederick,
he is not giving away his age; at least I cannot find a rabbit in your list.

:-):-)
Arie

    RE: .3 (Terry)
    
    Hahahahahaha!  I have seen the same placemat!
    
    You know, I was going to enter that info, but Frederick beat me
    to it.  He'll do anything to get to me.  :-) :-)
    
    John M.
    

    
    	   I've been seeing this placemat for years.  One thing
    	Fredrick left out were the negatives... down here the
    	placemats also tell which among the animals are the WORST
    	matches.  I don't happen to have one handy, but I'll snag
    	one next time I'm grabbing some Mongolian Beef and Hot
    	and Sour Soup.  Yum!
    
    	   If you care, I'm a rat.  Yes, I freely confess it!
    	I match the description fairly well too.  Women do find
    	me irresistable.  I do spend freely (perhaps that's the
    	irresistable quality about me).  Any my birthday falls
    	right smack in the middle of the year, too.  Fancy that.
    
    	   It's still a lot of hogwash.  
    
    	- Greg

    RE: .7 (Greg)
    
    I have always thought you were a rat.
    
    I am a horse.
    
    Frederick has a pathological fear of spreading "negative ego" so
    it is not surprising that he would omit the bad parts.
    
    John M.

    re: placemats
    
          Actually, I reprinted the entire placemat except for the
    artwork.  Maybe these people preferred the positive aspects to
    the more sensationalistic negative ones.
    
    re:  John
      
          Yes, I will admit to having a fear of my own negative ego...
    to the extent of killing my ego, NO, but I wouldn't attach the label
    pathological to it.  And *I* supposedly get along with Horses...imagine
    that!  
    
    Frederick (horse-laughing into cosmic conformity)
    

re: .4 (Frederick)

>     (doesn't saying what animal you are give away your age?)  ;-)
    
Well not exactly, I'm either 67, 49, 37, 25, 13, 1 or not yet born, 
er I mean, incarnated... ;-)

Terry (rabbit_or_hare_I_dont_care_I_fit_the_whole_description_I_swear)

    re: .10
    
        Terry, you are correct, of course, but when we throw in the
    familiarity or personality aspects, it narrows it down quite a bit.
    I seriously doubt that you are not yet born or only 1 (especially
    since you have an eleven year old child) and your grammar is more
    developed than most 13 year olds.  It is also highly unlikely that
    you are 25 (since you would have fathered at 12) and most 67 year
    olds would be bored silly with this notes file, I think.  That leaves
    37 and 49.  Since your demeanor is more towards youth (in my
    perspective) I would pick 37.  
         I think my age could be similarly deducted as could that of
    many others.  There are a few who would be more difficult but almost
    all could be pinned down to at least one of two choices, I think.
    
    Frederick
    

    So Terry, what's the verdict?  >:-)
    
    
    
    John M.
                                       

  Chinese astrology is said to have originated with Buddha, and while I have
 not studied it in depth, I have looked at it enough to fill in the following
 details for those who are interested in taking a closer look.  If you just
 find this several-thousand year old tradition which is totally unknown to you
 to be "a lot of hogwash" then you might as well hit the NEXT UNSEEN key now.

  Chinese astrology is different from the astrology that we are familiar with
 in several ways.  The primary difference is that Chinese astrology is based
 upon the 28 day Moon cycle instead of the Sun Cycle.  I believe that there
 are 13 Moon cycles per Chinese year, and the yearly day or two remainder is
 why the Chinese New Year falls on a different day each year (from the end of
 January to sometime in February).  This also explains why every 60th year
 needs an extra 'leap year' Moon cycle to keep New Years day from creeping
 through the rest of the year (apparently this is called the year of the Fire
 Horse as stated in .1).

  Also, as has been indicated, in Chinese Astrology your 'sign' (animal) is
 determined from the year of your birth, as opposed to the month/day.  Also,
 in Chinese Astrology the ascendant is determined based only upon the time of
 birth in a daily cycle which is unchanging throughout the year and throughout
 the world (see below for times).

  While the systems are vastly different, they are not necessarily contradictory
 or exclusive of each other.  Both may be equally valid for their intended
 applications.  While the correspondence is not exact, there is a strong
 correlation between the Chinese zodiac animal symbols and the familiar
 astrological signs.
							Chinese
	Chinese	 Yin /	Astrological	Female /	Ascendant
	Symbol	  Yang	Sign		 Male		 Times
	-------	 -----	------------	--------	---------
        Rat      Yang   Sagittarius      Male		11p -  1a
        Ox       Yin    Capricorn        Female		 1a -  3a
        Tiger    Yang   Aquarius         Male		 3a -  5a
        Hare     Yin    Pisces           Female		 5a -  7a
        Dragon   Yang   Aries            Male		 7a -  9a
        Snake    Yin    Taurus           Female		 9a - 11a
        Horse    Yang   Gemini           Male		11a -  1p
        Sheep    Yin    Cancer           Female		 1p -  3p
        Monkey   Yang   Leo              Male		 3p -  5p
        Cock     Yin    Virgo            Female		 5p -  7p
        Dog      Yang   Libra            Male		 7p -  9p
        Boar     Yin    Scorpio          Female		 9p - 11p

  Also, if you check those 'animals' which get along best, you will notice
 that a conversion into signs will show that the other two signs with the same
 element (fire, earth, air, or water) are always included.  For example, the
 Rat <Sagittarius fire> gets along with Dragon <Aries fire>, Monkey <Leo fire>,
 and Ox <Capricorn earth>).  I cannot explain the non-element relations (eg.
 Capricorn above), but the matching of signs of the same element always holds.

  While I have not evaluated this system in detail, I have a strong tendency to
 support any system that provides additional opportunities for New Year's Eve
 parties  ;-}

						Todd .. the Monkey

    
    RE: .13
    	
    	Wow, I honestly thought those chinese calendar thingies were
    just made up stuff. I didn't know there was such a thing.
    
    	Are there any books explaining this? It seems like this may
    be easier to work with. But than again it might be as much fun as
    a chinese typewriter.
    
    Craig (the Dragon who is 12, 24, 36, 48, 60, or 372 (which is young
    	for a Dragon))  ;-)

    A very nice book, with a good overview of chinese astrology for
    the beginner, which was suggested to me to start off is
    	The Handbook of Chinese Horoscopes
    	by Theodora Lau
    	Published by Harper and Row
    	Copyright 1979
    The calendar contained in the book is from 1900-1995
    
    
    MTH
    

		Lunar Agricultural Almanac

	Matching    East and West


Closest Dates		English trans  		West Sun	East
on West calendar        of Chinese terms	sign	      Moon Sign


Jan 21 to feb 5		Severe Cold	      Aquarius		Tiger
Feb 5 to feb 19		Spring begins	    Jan 21-feb 19

Feb 19 - mar 5 		Rain Waters	       Pisces		Rabbit
Mar 5 - Mar 20		Excited Insects	    Feb 20- Mar 20

Mar 20 - apr 5 		Vernal Equinox		Aries		Dragon
Apr 5 - apr 20		Clear and Bright    Mar 21 - Apr 19

Apr 20 - may 5		Grain Rains Come	Taurus		Snake
May 5 - may 20		Summer Begins	    Apr 20 - may 20

May 20 - Jun 6		Grain Fills		Gemini		Horse
Jun 6 - jun 21		Grain in Ear	    may 21 - jun 21

jun 21 - jul 7		Summer Solstice		Cancer		Sheep
jul 7 - jul 22		Moderate Heat       jun 22 - jul 21

jul 22 - Aug 7 		Great Heat		Leo		Monkey
aug 7 - aug 22		Autumn Begins        jul 22- aug 21

aug 22 - sept 8 	Limit of Heat		Virgo		Rooster
sept 8 - sept 23	White Dew            aug 22 - sept 22

sept 23 - oct 8 	Autum Equinox		Libra		Dog
oct 8 - oct 23		Cold Dew	     sept 23 - nov 21

oct 23 - nov 7 		Hoarfrost Descends	Scorpio		Boar
nov 7 - nov 22		Winter Commences     oct 23 - nov 21

nov 22 - dec 7 		Little Snow		Sagittarius	Rat
dec 7 - dec 21		Great Snow	     nov 22- dec 21

dec 21 - jan 6		Winter Solstice		Capricorn	Ox
jan 6 - jan 21		Little Cold	     dec 22 - jan 20

re: .11, .12 (Frederick & John)

Yep.  37 it is.  Good deduction there Frederick!!!  Now, what size
shoes do I wear??? ;-)))

Terry

    re: .17
     
         9 1/2
    
    
    Frederick
    

re: .18  

Okay, so you know my shoe size, big deal.  How old was I when I broke
my right leg?  Ha! see if you can get that one...

;-) Terry

    re: .19
    
    
         Three
    
    
    Frederick
    

    re: .20
    
    Seven. 
    
    Terry    

    re: .21
    
          Oh, I read the wrong lifetime...sorry.  You see, it was in
    India, you were three and your leg was broken when your father
    accidentally sat on it.
    
    Frederick
    

    You never broke it!
    
    Ha!
    
    Bruce

    RE: .22 (Frederick)
    
    If you are not a channeler, you should be.
    
    
    John M.