Conference hydra::dejavu

    Re .0 (Doug):
    
    There was a touch of mysticism (not necessarily fully "mystic")
    among many folk of those days.  If you're in Massachusetts and happen
    to tour Old Sturbridge Village, for instance, you'll find on the
    ceiling of a master bedroom in one of the homes some Masonic symbols
    (mystic type).  My wife and I visited there during what was billed
    as "corporate appreciation week," and I noticed this (how many people
    look at ceilings?  There may be other surprises to be found, if
    ...).
    
    The "all-seeing eye" might also be a representation of the Eye of
    God, which would be in line with the "In God We Trust" motto on
    other money.
    
    >2. What do the Latin words "ANNUIT COEPTIS" and "NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM"
    >   mean? Look on the back of your greenbacks.
     
    I believe the latter of those means something like "a new secular
    order," which, cvomparing the united States' government to what
    else was out there at the time, is logical.
    
    >1. Does anyone know the significance or meaning of "The All Seeing Eye" in
    >   either the occult or mystically oriented literature?
     
    It's just that there are more than one of them.  The most famous
    is the "Eye of Horus," which represented (usually) the right eye
    of the god who was the son of Osiris; it represented the sun,
    daylighjt, and beneficence.  The Eye of Horus can be seen on many
    fishing boats throughout the Mediterranean, to this day. 
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    The eye on the reverse of the dollar represents collective purpose or
    the Eye of God.  It appears between the words "Annuit Coeptis" which
    means "He has smiled on our undertakings."    Notice that the pyramid
    it caps has 13 layers (for the 13 original colonies) with the year 1776
    inscribed on the foundation in Roman numerals.  "Novus Ordo Seclorum"
    means "a new cycle of the ages" (you guys should like that). 


    John M. 

    
    	Pyramonster:    That creature whose picture appears on 
    			the backside of the dollar.

    Reply to the last .-3;
    
    The dollar is printed by the Federal Reserve Corporation. The
    symbolism used is their symbolism and may have meant different things
    to the Founding Fathers. Anyone know who Ok's the design of the
    plates?
              
    I won't bore you with conspiracy theory but the Fed. is not part
    of the government even if certain board members are. The Fed. is
    an autonomus corporation that the Congress uses to get around Article
    1 section 8 of the Constitution.                             
    
    Whatever symbolism used is _their_ symbolism.  I like most of their
    symbolism though... (Any arguments? We might need to start another
    topic. B^)

    If you want some literature on the subject, read the _Illuminatus_
    trilogy, and _Principia Discordia_.  _Illuminatus_ is supposedly
    fiction, but, who knows...
    
    Elizabeth
    

    Though the Fed prints the dollars, didn't the founding fathers create
    "The Great Seal of the United States of America" long before the
    Fed was in existence (i.e. the eagle holding an olive branch and
    arrows and the meaning of that seems beyond the creative powers
    of the Fed).  So, my question is, who designed the seal of the
    United States? Though the Fed chose to put it on the back of the
    currency, I don't think they came up with it.
    
    My point is, if the founding fathers created it, the fact that they
    put a mystical symbol on the "Great Seal" is significant to me,
    and perhaps to others, if for no other reason than that we have
    been seeing that symbol and those Latin words (thanks, John, for
    the meaning) all these years without realizing what they meant.
    
    This is great! To be able to put out a question like that and get
    such an instananeous answer.  I hope someone is going to preserve
    this entire notesfile for posterity...it would make
    interesting reading 300 years from now.  Perhaps we'll recognize
    ourselves when we do?...   : )  
    
    DW

Interesting topic.

Just a quick comment about the eagle and arrows next to the "all 
seeing eye."

Franklin I believe wanted the US bird to be a turkey.  The Indians
revered the Eagle as a sign of strength.  The thirteen arrows in the 
Eagle's claw represent the thirteen colonies.  That is rather obvious. 

What is often not known is that an Indian leader I forget his name 
told a treaty meeting in Lancaster Pennsylvania in 1744 that the 
colonies should be united.  To give an example he took a single arrow 
and broke it easily.  He then took thirteen arrows and he demonstrated 
strength, power and unity.

This did not go unnoticed by those attending.  Actually it turns out 
that Ben Franklin not only attended treaty meetings with the Six 
Nation Indians as a delegate but he also served as the "official" 
printer of these affairs.  Franklin's reporting of treaty doings began 
in 1732.

In my research I found that several books were written about the Six 
Nations describing their form of government in the 1700's.  A form of 
government some believe acted as an example to our American form of 
government.

The Six Nations controlled the geography of what is now New York State 
into Canada, as west as the Mississippi and as far south to Georgia.  
From the Indian point of view they controlled this land politically, 
economically.  They had what was called "The Great Peace." All Indian 
nations were invited to join.  If they didn't there would be war until 
they did.  At that point, they were adopted into the Six Nations and 
became truely brothers.

I haven't read it, but there was a recent National Geographic that 
talked about this.

- Howard (who's undergraduate degree is in political science and 
native american studies; some real useful stuff:-)

    
    It is my understanding that several of the founding fathers of this
    country (such as Paul Revere, etc.) were Freemasons.  Back in the
    1700's, Freemasonry was considered a "mystery school".  (A man by
    the name of Count Saint Germain was a predominant force in Freemasonry
    in Europe, and he helped found the Rosicrucians...).  The "All-seeing
    Eye of God", I believe, is connected to the third-eye chakra, which
    is the energy center for psychic awareness (ESP, premonition, reading
    the Akashic Records, etc.).
    
                                            Linda
    

    Interesting topic !   The society founded in the US was supposed
    to be the New Order of the Ages (Novus..... etc.).
    
    Bacon's, "New Atlantis" also hints at the US carrying the
    torch of freedom and leading the world into the Golden Age
    of Enlightenment.
          
    The eagle, of course, from the days of Rome, carrying the arrows
    in one claw, and the olive branch in the other signyfying we
    prefer peace, but will fight to defend it.
    
    There is a smaller version of the Statue of Liberty in France facing
    WEST towards the US.  The torch of mysticism was passed from France
    to the US. Certain Frenchmen, by the way, financially backed the
    Revolution.  In addition, the Smithsonian Institute was named after
    a man whom no one really "knew". This same individual reportedly
    being referred to later on in history as "Uncle Sam" !
    
    Most of the previous replies can be substantiated by a visit to
    the U.S. Library of Congress, especially the Rosicrucian
    involvement with aiding the fledgling U.S.
        
    The US is at a cross-roads. Will we, in fact, make it into the
    Golden Age. or will our internal turmoil and struggles destroy
    us ?

    
    Interesting.  I've also heard that the founding fathers (Thomas
    Jefferson in particular) were Freemasons.
    
    There is a conference on Freemasonry somewhere - just saw it announced
    about a month ago in the EASYNOTES.LIS update.  I don't have time
    to check it out myself though.
    
    For another view, I believe there is also a topic on Freemasonry
    in the CHRISTIAN conference......
    
    Cindy

    An official version, from American Heritage Magazine, June/July
    1982:
    ...
    This Three committee, Seven designer symbol is the one we see today.
    ...
    DuSimitiere, an intelligent and talented Swiss born Philadelphia
    arist...chosen as a consultant...placed the motto...E Pluribus Unum,
    plucked from the title page of London's "Gentleman's Magazine"
    
    In the crest he placed "The Eye of Providence in a triangular
    radiance..".  Later it was described as "an Eye in a triangle
    surrounded with a glory.  At the same time it was placed at the
    tip of an unfinished pyramid.
    
    The original congressional committee (there were a total of three.)
    consisted of Franklin, John Adams and Jefferson.
    
    Inthe end, it was a rush job, under deadline pressure, because the
    Peace of Paris (to conclude the Revolutionary War) was to be signed
    and we had to have a seal for That...
    
    thanks

    Dave Pierson

    RE 8 and 10:
    
    Many of our founding fathers were indeed Freemasons.  This includes
    Franklin, Sam Adams, Paul Revere and George Washington, who, I believe
    was Master of his Lodge at the same time he was President of the
    U.S.  Alas, Jefferson's connectino is Freemasonry is speculation
    - there is no hard evidence to support the contention.
    
    The All-Seeing-Eye is a Masonic symbol.  It represents the Diety,
    our Creator, who knows our most private thoughts.  Given the fact
    that a large percentage of our founding fathers were Masons, it
    is not surprising that our heritage includes not only some Masonic
    symbols, but much philosophy which is Masonic in flavor.