Conference hydra::dejavu

    Hi Vivian,
    
    There must be something about your energy that attracted Grandpa
    to you.  Being a member of the family is important, and the ring was a 
    good focal point and acted as an initial attention getter.  Grandpa
    was right - the best thing you can do for him is to pray and to
    encourage him to allow those in spirit who are concerned and care
    for him to get closer and guide him along.  I'm sure that there
    are many spirit friends who would be eager to assist him.
    
    I think the power of prayer is underestimated.  Directed positive
    thought definitely has an effect.  So many troubled spirits could
    be helped tremendously by a prayer being sent their way.  I for
    one will remember your grandmother and "grandpa" in my prayers.
    
    If you would like some assistance or guidance, I can recommend
    someone that you could call.  Let me know and I'll send the info
    via mail.
    
    Regards, Carole
    

    P.S.
    
    I would be interested in hearing of your other experiences.  You
    must have quite a healing energy about you if spirit is attracted
    to you for assistance.
    
    c.
    

    	If no one minds my asking this question, how does a spirit (I
    won'task what a spirit is exactly) get "trapped" between dimensional
    planes?  
    
    	I have heard that one way is if a person dies suddenly in a
    traumatic accident - it's as if his/her spirit is knocked out of
    their body so "fast", that the person does not know they are physically
    dead.  Is this what happened to your grandfather, or was he "misdirected"
    like the spirits in POLTERGEIST were (I'm just citing an example)?
                                                                             
        Larry
    

    I'm not really sure about grandpa, I never got to even meet #7.
    I also don't know how he died.  My grandma was a wild woman and
    liked to keep secrets regarding her husbands.  Grandma died a
    couple of months ago, and no one has seen, felt her around since.
    But she was so mad at life leaving, that I think that she was 
    happy to leave with no regrets or needs. She always told me that
    death would be the ultimate "get even" for them jerks who won't
    leave you alone to live your life as you see fit.  You have to
    realize that she was a mountain woman who was married the first
    time at 14.  I saw a movie about Annie Oakley and she reminded
    me of grandma.  All spit and vinigar.
    
        I do know that when my brother died in a tramatic accident, he 
    kept coming back and pointing out particular items for me to do.
    One of them was to please contact the love of his life who had 
    moved to Arizona.  when I contacted her, he didn't appear as 
    often or nearly as clearly.  He still appears occasionaly when
    terrible times are happening, mostly to give comfort.  I never
    know when he is going to be there or how long, but I feel 
    strongly that God is letting him visit to insure that the
    family is ok.  I get the strong impression that he doesn't
    want to leave us entirely yet.  (My cat has even seen him).
    It has been 6 years since my brother died.
    
   

    
    I would like to have the number of the person you mentioned in 
    229.1.  Any help would be appreciated.  
    And Thanks, I appreciate it.
    Vivian
    

    
    I do think that being in a coma, would be like sleeping, and
    when death comes, the spirit is confused.  Its like the steps
    of healing after a death of a loved one, first you deny the
    loss, then you're so angry at the waste. I know the last step
    is acceptance.  I think spirits go through the same steps.
    (I am missing a few of the steps of grieving,I can't remember
    them all)  
    
    It seems the spirits that are around me are very benevolent.
    I have three protective spirits around me all the time, where
    ever I go.  They warn me when something is going to happen, 
    and assure me when I'm scared.  I have had friends who are
    mediums say they see them, that they are quite visible and
    the feelings they get are kind.  They even scratch my cat.
    (kitty can't be all wrong)
    
    Vivian
            

    Re .7: 
    
    >..when death comes, the spirit is confused. ...
    
    In ancient Egypt (Khem), where there was a belief that each person
    had more than one spirit, when death approached, the priests read
    to the dieing person out of _The Book of the Dead_.  This was a
    book that helped the basic soul (the Ba) transution to Tuat (the
    abode of the dead).  It's an interesting read, since it takes the
    reader (presumably the listener) through all he or she would experience
    on the way.  The idea was to help minimize the confusion of the
    spirit at the onset of death.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
    
     

    re .7
    
    > It seems the spirits that are around me are very benevolent...
    > They even scratch my cat.
    
    I too have gone to mediums who have seen my spirit teachers and
    friends, and they have also seen the spirits of my kitty friends
    who have passed over.  One particular teacher has taken them into
    her care.  This was very comforting as I was very concerned about
    their welfare, particularly little Sammy who was only one and a
    half years old when he died.  Sammy never realized he wasn't a
    baby anymore and he really needed a lot of mothering and attention.
    He was so sweet...I'm sure my spirit friends have been as touched
    by him as I was.
    
    Carole
    

    	For those of us who do not possess this ability to "sense" ohter
    presences, how does one know if they are there, and does everyone
    have them, and why?
    
    	Larry
    

    I really don't know.  I have very rarely met people with
    the same perception for seeing "others". I don't talk about
    it too often when I see them, I let others mention it first.
    If I am in a strange house and there are "others" there, I
    get a feeling of cold, stuffiness in my head, my heart beats
    very fast.  Depending on the presenses attitude (for lack of
    a better word) I am comfortable, or scared.  If its the latter
    I don't stay long.  I don't mention the presense to people who
    don't know me, especially if they are comfortable there.
    Once I went to a party, walked in, got THE feelings, walked 
    around the house till I located the source, and ran!  Later
    when talking to some friends who knew the people who lived 
    there, found out that they were heavily into black magic
    and strong worshipers of the devil.  I have a severe aversion
    to evil.  I stay away with strong determination from people
    like that.  They disrupt my inner peace tremendously.  Ever
    see someone go into fits around someone they just met? 
    Like trembling, stuttering, headaches almost lose control
    of themselves?  Thats what happens to me when I am around
    evil.  But I'm not sure how others react. 
    Don't know why I've got this sense, I have been close to
    death a few times, maybe it leaked over into my life, maybe
    I saw more then I consciously remember and it makes me more
    aware.  
    Any ideas?
    
    chirp
    
    

    Being an astrology student, and also having sat in circle for
    mediumship development, I became interested in the possibility
    of common natal chart characteristics and began checking the charts 
    of those people that I know who are "sensitives".  What seems to come
    up in the charts quite often is a) emphasis of the water
    element (signs and/or houses), b) Neptune aspects to other planets 
    especially Mercury (mind), Mars and Sun (physical body), c)Neptune in
    the 6th house and possibly the second (both these houses involve the 
    physical body to an extent), d) Neptune in aspect to the angles
    (ascendant, descendant, nadir, and midheaven).                  
    
    Anyone else have any insights regarding sensitivity and the birth
    chart?
    
    Carole
    
    
    

It sounds like you experienced something called Psychometry. Nothing is 
ever lost , experience is held in all things and some people are sensitive 
enough to pick up the hidden vibrations and impressions, organize them
and bring them into their waking consciousness.  These people are called 
'Psychometrists'.  The word is derived from two Greek words, psyche, meaning
'the soul', and metron, signifying a 'measure'.  By this definition, Psychometry
is the power to measure and interpret 'the soul of things'.

                                   
There's a nice little book from which I took this definition; called
How to develop Psychometry, by W.E. Butler - printed by samuel
weiser inc.  The information is basic and easy to understand.



re .6


Some people who posses the 'sixth sense' can communicate with those in
comas and say that it is a place of limbo; a place where one stays until
they make the decision to return to physical life or return to spirit. 
It is a time of conflict which drives some individuals in comas to 
such a point of indecision that they literally become immobile.  Not
necessarily unconscious at the subtle levels.  These 'sensitives' report
communicating with those in the coma and helping them resolve the 
issues to a point of decision.  Apparently we all need contact, no matter
what state we're in.  Some believe that accidents, sickness  etc. are used by 
individuals to provide the vehicles for them to go into coma.


Lora 

an afterthought:

A nice meditation to help discarnates is to center and protect oneself;
ask that the person in question be surrounded in a sphere of pure white
light and call in their highest guidance to align, protect, guide and
heal them.  Ask that they be released and returned to their highest source 
and that the best be done for all concerned.   If you have the ability it's
always faster to contact them directly and bring assistance that way.  I
don't, however, recommend it to those who aren't knowledgeable in such matters.
When dealing with the mind and these energies, intelligence and caution 
should be top priorities.

    Re: .13
    
    I also study astrology as my main esoteric discipline and have had
    the pleasure to cast charts for many active in the DEJAVU community.
    I have also noticed a lot of Neptune energy associated with the
    people who are sensitive.  Neptune/Mercury contacts do seem to assist
    in conscious perception of otherworldly energies.  Other interesting
    factors that crop up have to do with strong Saturns and Plutos in
    people's charts, especially when they contact Neptune.  I am theorizing
    that Neptune enhances a person's sensitivity, Pluto enables one
    to channel and use power, Saturn makes it easier to manifest the
    esoteric on the material plane (and also provides invaluable grounding
    assistance).
    
    Neptune may not be directly involved, by which I mean the aspects
    you describe in your reply--to Sun, Moon, Mercury, chart angles,
    etc.  It may be the chart ruler; this is the case if the sign Pisces
    rises in your birth chart.  And one of the most sensitive people
    I know has Pisces as the chart signature.  As a result, this person
    began developing somewhat later than some (who have felt their talents
    since childhood) and has had to cope with very interesting and
    confusing feelings.
    
    A side note for those of you who are interested: the birth chart
    signature can be derived by finding the principle ELEMENT (Fire,
    Earth, Air, Water) and QUALITY (Cardinal, Fixed, Mutable) that your
    planets reside in.  I can illustrate with an example from my own
    nativity:
    
    	Sun in Capricorn		Cardinal	Earth
    	Moon in Taurus			Fixed		Earth
    	Mercury in Capricorn		Cardinal	Earth
    	Venus in Aquarius		Fixed		Air
    	Mars in Aquarius		Fixed		Air
    	Jupiter in Pisces		Mutable		Water
    	Saturn in Libra			Cardinal	Air
    	Uranus in Cancer		Cardinal	Water
    	Neptune in Libra		Cardinal	Air
    	Pluto in Leo			Fixed		Fire
    
    The most frequently occurring Element is Air; the most frequent
    Quality is Cardinal.  The Cardinal Air sign is Libra; that is my
    chart signature.
    
    Marcia

re .16

There can be several reasons for your discomfort; to name a few:

	o the delta between your personal vibrations and the
          spirit may be so great that it creates the fight/flight
          response accompanying things outside your comfort zone
 
	o the dis-comfort may the the 'spirit's' and not yours

	o the 'spirit' may in fact be 'neg.' - according to your inner
          definition of negative

	o you could be you contracting in the face of something you 
          are in conflict about.....deal with it or not kind of thing

	o it could be a psychological defense mechanism to detach for
	  from a non-spirit problem - i.e. make it supernatural and I
          don't own it.....(I doubt that's what's going on here)

< should this be overcome?


When dealing with mind matters I strongly suggest you follow your own knowing
and not be swayed by others opinion.  How we deal with this kind of thing is
highly personal and it's important to do what WE know is right for us...and
we always know altho we don't always want to face our truth.  I suggest you
look at the fact that you are aware of something there; that it's there for a 
reason and make a clear choice to become more knowledgeable (follow the lead)
or leave it alone.  Be sure there's a message for you somewhere in the 
experience.  

Good luck

Lora