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Do you have titles to any books on the subject?

Alison

re .1:

_The Energies of Consciousness_, edited by Stanley Krippner and Daniel
  Rudkin, Interface Publishers

_Kirlian Electrophotography: Data Package A_  published by Mankind Research
 Unlimited, Inc.

The second of these is a saddle-stiched paperback with some fundamentals;
the first is a hardcover of collected papers on Kirlian photography, the aura, 
etc.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

    The jury may indeed be out on Kirlian photography, but it's still
    out on all psychic phenomena.  I had the pleasure to meet a person
    who could see people's auras, and had been able to do so since
    childhood, although the person had made no study of what the pretty
    lights and colors meant.  From the little I have studied, the colors
    are supposed to correlate somewhat with the energies in the chakras,
    and the predominance of a color in someone's aura is supposed to
    indicate what energies they find easiest to use.  There are two
    systems I've seen for this color correlation; one I learned in a
    polarity therapy course, the other I call the "Rainbow" system.
    They only differ in their perception of what colors are related
    to the lower chakras; from the Heart chakra up, they both agree.
    
    	Chakra			"Rainbow" System	Polarity System
    	------			----------------	---------------
    	Root			 Red			Yellow
    	Sacral			 Orange			White
    	Solar Plexus		 Yellow 		Red
    	Heart			 Green			Green
    	Throat			 Blue			Blue
    	Third Eye		 Indigo			Indigo
    	Crown			 Violet			Violet
    
    The colors may also vary according to your energy patterns of the
    moment.  This is interesting when I consider what colors my client
    saw in my and my husband's auras.  My husband's contained deep green
    and yellow, mine was silver-white, electric blue and indigo.  Since
    I was engaged in doing a synastric reading (always a challenge)
    and he was supporting my effort by preparing dinner, cleaning up,
    doing dishes and so on, perhaps our colors reflected the energies
    brought to, and generated by, our tasks.  If the colors my client
    described were indeed my "reading" colors, it pleases me greatly,
    since the combination suggests heightened feeling connections, com-
    munication and intuitive/psychic perception.
    
    Marcia

    Re .3:
    
    Picking up a little on that, there is a significant amount of
    discussion on whether what's "photographed" in a Kirlian Photograph
    is the same stuff someone who sees an aura "sees."  They both
    apparently have "enveloping" characteristics.
    
    It might be, however that the Kirlian "aura" is an artificially
    induced envelope that has been energized by the high-frequency field
    of the Kirlian generator (a sort of specialized Tesla coil).  That
    they might occupy approximately the same space, in that case, would
    be incidental.
    
    Some folk sell "aura giggles" that use an iodine-crystal filter
    that presumably enables those who have the capability to see auras
    to train to do so.  Advertisements for these goggles can be found
    in magazines like _Fate_ and tabloids like _Inner Light_.  However,
    most of the ads run something like "IS THIS THE HUMAN AURA?" --
    which implies that they're not willing to swear what you'll see
    is _really_ the aura.  And since the basic goggles go for something
    like 20 smackolas....
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    "Aura giggles" -- he he he heh heh ha ha ha
    
    That's the best typo I've seen all year.  The product sounds like
    a good laugh, too.
    
    Marcia
    
    PS.  Seeing auras is a talent I've always wished I had.  The closest
    I come is "feeling" auras, feeling heat and tingling sensations
    in my hands when performing polarity energy balancing work (I once
    took two courses in this).  The tingling in particular is palpable
    some distance from a person's body.  One person I know who occasionally
    sees auras has tried to assure me that this experience is just as
    authentic as the visual one.
    
    Marcia

    re .4, .4"
    
    "aura giggles" was indeed a typu.
    
    However, an aura giggle would go something like:
    
    "Haw awr awra aura aura haw!"  ;-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    RE: 169.0
    
    I can see auras, not in as much detail as some people, but I can
    make out the color, and any strong shadings.
    
    To do this, all I do is to look at the person, kind of unfocus my
    eyes, and I can see it.  Some people with very strong auras I can
    see without doing this, simply looking in that person's direction
    is enough.
    
    RE: 'aura giggles'
    
    Steve, are you suggesting that auras look funny?  :^)
    
    Kathleen

    re .7
    
    > ... Stteve, are you suggesting that auras look funny? ...
    
    Kathleen, I never thought of it that way.  However, maybe it's that
    when someone who's never seen an aura before puts on the goggles,
    he of she will say something like, "Hmm... that's funny." ;-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    	My wife can see auras, and describes the process similar to
    what .7 says...and the lighting and background help bring out the
    aura (a white background makes things much easier).
    
    	It seems our two and a half year old daughter can also see auras,
    but our son can't. We were driving at night, and each time we passed
    a streetlight (the kind which looks pink) she asked us about a "green
    circle", what it was. She kept pointing at the streetlight, and
    trying to get our son to see it. Dorian, my wife, sees auras not
    just around people, but around anything that is living or electrical.
    
    	Ed

    I recently found a book regarding aura's that I am enjoying
    and learning alot from.  

    Phychic self-defense and well-being by Melita Denning and Osborne
    Phillips.
    
    For the past three weeks, I have not been able to sleep through
    an entire night, I have been getting *visitors* every night that
    have been trying to keep me awake.  Last night, I started following
    the advice in the book regarding strengthening the protective aura
    and had the first full nights sleep since the visits have been so
    strong.  Obviously this works.  The book has quite a bit of information
    on protecting yourself in all kinds of everyday situations.  
    
        
    Vivian
    

    Have you read Dion Fortune's book on psychic self defence?  If not,
    I reccomend it.
    
    Elizabeth
    

    What is psychic self defense?  I'm curious about this.  Can someone
    tell me a little about it, or point me to a note that explains it?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Jerri

    Note #12 (titled Rushing In . . .) has some good suggestions.  I'll
    look for any others.
    
    Marcia

I got this from a mailing list I am on, which brings to me things I
    otherwise wouldn't know (and people I otherwise wouldn't know).
    It's about auras and chakras and emanations and such, and this was
    the earliest note I saw in the directory that had much to do with
    it.  I don't personally know Sunny, but she sounds like she knows
    what she's talking about.  IAnd Now, Fascinating Facts from the 
    West Coast brings You....
    
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From: [email protected] (Sunny Kirsten)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Question to Sunny
Date: 12 Dec 87 08:19:50 GMT
 
> From: [email protected] (Jamie Gold)
> Some hospitals are using a technique to replace X-ray that involves
> surrounding the patient with a very strong magnetic field. This, I think,
> is supposed to make the cells (or their nucleii, or maybe their atoms) line
> up in such a way that different types of cells show up differently in the
> resulting picture.  The end result is a much sharper picture than X-ray,
> ultrasound or CAT scan.  My question is whether this technique would
> disturb the auric and other fields of the patient, and with what result?
> and how does that compare to X-ray, ultrasound and CAT scan?
 
Firstly, I am not in any way familiar with the diagnostic procedure you've
described.  But the first thing I have to respond with is this...
Since the only clear concept we have here, whether it is actually what
they are doing, or not, is this... that they're subjecting the patient
to a strong magnetic field... we'll look at how that would affect someone.
 
The aura of the body, and the function of the body's chakras is an
electromagnetic phenomena.  One of the currently practiced forms of
psychic healing, known as "the laying on of hands", is also known as
"magnetic healing".  This is practiced by some modern Christian groups,
and maybe others.  It is very similar to the healing techniques I have
learned indirectly from Berkeley Psychic Institute which do involve
the laying on of hands.  Each of these practices involves "healing"
the body's magnetic field, balancing it.  In more detail, we're affecting
the etheric body and the physical body, since as we know from physics,
an action in one aspect of the ElectroMagnetic field will affect the other.
 
So, the first thing we can conclude, is that placing a body in a STRONG
magnetic field, is going to overwhelm it's existing balance, and FORCE
a new pattern on it... hardly a passive diagnostic technique...
so our next question would have to be...
is the effect of this going to be healing?
is the effect of this going to be dis-ease from interference?
 
I dunno.
 
But my first reaction is this...
If the magnetic field is a simple static field (DC), it would have
less effect than one which was active (AC) and changing.  The body will
be very much affected by the change in magnetic field, and the rate of
change (the frequency of the AC field).
 
It has been proven scientifically that the body IS indeed adversely
affected by proximity to strong RadioFrequency fields (which are
ElectroMagnetic).  Microwaves are dangerous.  etc.  Lower frequencies
could be disruptive too, especially if they were in the range of
frequencies of the body's normal function 0-10KHz.
 
All of the examination and diagnostic techniques used in modern medicine
are intrusive to the body.  They have to be, for they deal with only
the physical body, which is bound by the laws of time and space, and
so must be examined within the constraints of time and space...
which means that to look at an interior organ, we must physically
intrude on the outer body.  Reminds me of "Bones"'s comments upon
beaming down from the Starship enterprise to some "backwards" culture
where they "sewed flesh like cloth".
 
Because psychic reading techniques look at the energetic body, the
etheric body, the astral body, they work not only through flesh, but
remotely, unbounded by time or space.  
 
When you're manifesting an illness, a dis-ease, which originates in
your spirit, it will first manifest in your dreams.  If you ignore
those, it will manifest in strangers around you (you will attract
situations mirroring yourself), and then if that is ignored, in
those close to you (family, friends, mate), and if you still refuse
to see the signs of your problems, you will begin to manifest them
as physical symptoms, physical illness.  
 
Since I got into psychic healing, I don't get physically sick.
I think I've had maybe 3 colds in the last 2 years.  I used to get
them all the time, with massive infected throats, etc.  By being
continuously aware of my psychic health, and healing on that level,
I don't have to manifest physical problems as my form of becoming
aware of what's going on with me.
 
I personally wouldn't go to a doctor unless my psychic healers told
me that my problems required one.  I'm not planning to get that sick.
 
 
-- 
This view of 1 astral reality is courtesy of:
Sunny Kirsten, Astral Consultants			(415)457-7555 (voice)
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    Re .14:
    
>> Some hospitals are using a technique to replace X-ray that involves
>> surrounding the patient with a very strong magnetic field. This, I think,
>> is supposed to make the cells (or their nucleii, or maybe their atoms) line
>> up in such a way that different types of cells show up differently in the
>> resulting picture.  The end result is a much sharper picture than X-ray,
>> ultrasound or CAT scan....
    
    I believe the writer is talking about an NMR scan.  It seems medically
    safer than a CAT scan because no radioactive substances are used.
    
>The aura of the body, and the function of the body's chakras is an
>electromagnetic phenomena.  One of the currently practiced forms of
>psychic healing, known as "the laying on of hands", is also known as
>"magnetic healing".  This is practiced by some modern Christian groups,
>and maybe others.  It is very similar to the healing techniques I have
>learned indirectly from Berkeley Psychic Institute which do involve
>the laying on of hands.  Each of these practices involves "healing"
>the body's magnetic field, balancing it.  In more detail, we're affecting
>the etheric body and the physical body, since as we know from physics,
>an action in one aspect of the ElectroMagnetic field will affect the other.

    Well, _do_ we know that Aura and/or chakras are strictly
    electromagnetic?  I think the jury's still out on that one.  There
    is even some question whather the "aura" revealed in Kirlian
    photography is the same thing as The Aura.
    
    Until that, the above has to remain an educated guess.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.         

    
    I'm curious about the comment on microwaves.
                                    
    Does anyone have any further information on this?  I live near the
    MTI Haystack Observatory and our house is subjected to this kind
    of thing when the very large dish is aimed in our direction (all
    of the TV and radio broadcasts are affected).
    
    Any information/sources/etc. would be appreciated.
    
    Cindy

RE: .15
    
    The current term is no longer NMR ("Nuclear Magnetic Resonance")
    since people were spooked by the word "Nuclear" although it refers
    simply to the nucleus of the atom and not to nuclear energy or
    whatever.  It is now known in the medical field as MRI ("Magnetic
    Resonance Imaging") though NMR is still the term in chemistry.
    
    Without denying the existence of The Aura, or even that the images
    produced by Kirlian photography may be somewhat *correlated* with it,
    the evidence seems pretty tight that Kirlian photography does not
    in any real sense make The Aura visible.  This does not change the
    fact that it may well be a valuable diagnostic tool which is being
    overlooked because of its "fringe" associations.
    
    One of the ways that science interacts with the public is the
    generation of buzz words.  In the fifties you could buy atomic
    toothpaste, eat atomic cerial, etc.  In the twenties the buz word
    was "electric" you could buy electric hats and electric umbrellas
    (note: these were perfectly ordinary hats and manual umbrellas,
    etc..  Maybe they had been "exposed" to an electric field or maybe
    it was simply a superlative).  And the "magic" word in the second
    half of the 19th century was "magnetic" (and to a large extent
    earlier).  Everything which seemed odd was explained popularly as
    magnetic.  You have a cold: try Dr. Smiths Magnetic Elixer.  You
    have gout: wear a magnetic garter belt (which might or might not
    contain an actual magnet).  At this point, following the earlier
    use of the term by Mesmer, it began to simply be assumed that whatever
    was going on in healing had to be "magnetic" and in some traditions,
    the word has never been dropped.
    
    There may or may not be problems associated with strong magnetic
    fields effecting the human body -- particularly with long exposure.
    There are certainly problems with some frequencies of oscilating
    magnetic/electric fields, and spirited debate about other frequencies.
    But the properties attributed to the "etheric body" are not consistent
    with a magnetic origin: that is, to me, the fascination of
    parapsychology that *no* currently understood mechanisms adequately
    explain its results.
    
    				Topher
    

	Many people ask for proof concerning the Unseen World;
	remember, it is called the Unseen World because it
	can't be seen with normal human faculties.  The only 
	way to see the Unseen World is when you have developed
	and learn to use the faculties of your higher vehicles; 
	the common name for this practice is Clairvoyancy.  

	When you are Clairvoyant, you will be able to see, 
	prove and corroborate what has been entered here 
	regarding the Unseen World; until that time, no-one 
	can prove anything for you, you will have to prove it 
	to yourself.  By the way, I am not clairvoyant.

	At the present time, "few" people are able to consciously 
	use their higher vehicles to explore the Unseen World,
	the "majority" of humankind are only able to fully use
	the physical vehicle (the human body), the astral vehicle
	is partially under control, and the mental vehicle is
	not quite fully developed yet.

	Even if someone tries to show you proof of something
	in the Unseen World, you could still say that you were
	being hypnotized, or tricked, and there is no guarantee
	that you will believe it.   Having said that, I will 
	also tell you that even though it can't be seen, some
	people are sentitive enough to feel or sense it.  

	One such instance has to do with the etheric double 
	(human aura), many people can feel the energy flowing 
	out of the human body, but if you can't feel it, you 
	probably won't believe it, such is human nature.  

	Many of you may have heard of Kirlian photography, where
	pictures of the human energy flowing out of the body have
	been captured on negative plates, so if you wanted hard
	concrete physical proof, there is one instance of it,
	though many people still refuse to believe it.  

	The size of the human aura varies depending on the individual;
	for most of present day's humankind, it "usually" extends 
	a few inches away from the body, in the case of Adepts
	(The Great Ones) it can be many miles, and the aura of
	some Adepts is large enough to encompass a whole planet
	or even a whole Solar System.
	
	Most people may be sensitive enough to feel their own
	aura, try this experiment.  Extend out, away from you,
	the fingers of both of your hands so that your hands
	form straight lines.  Now, keep your hands parallel
	to each other, slowly bring them together, but make
	sure they do not touch each other.  Bring them closer
	and closer together, until they are about 1/4" to 1"
	apart, then slowly move them apart and then back again
	closer together, repeat this back and forth a few times 
	until you feel a tingling on the tips of your fingers.

	That tingling you feel on the tips of your fingers
	is the energy flowing out of your hands which forms
	the aura that surrounds the whole human body, but is 
	stronger and more noticeable on the finger tips because 
	that's where the flow of energy is the strongest, specially 
	when it is consciously directed by the human Will.  

	Remember the old custom of raising your hand and facing the
	palm of your hand towards a friend as a form of salutation ?.  
	What do you think takes place when you do that ?.  I'm sure 
	you can figure it out by yourself.

	Many of you who practice meditation may have experienced
	the same tingling sensation on your fingertips, I know
	I have; during meditation the flow of energy is intensified
	and it can get to be so strong that you sometimes feel
	your whole body like if it was a balloon that was being
	pumped up with air.  

	Those of you who have had this experience know exactly what 
	I'm talking about, but for those who have never experienced it, 
	I'm sure you will be saying to yourself something like: 
	"Sure, if you say so, I'll believe it when I see it".  
	I'm not criticizing anyone for feeling that way, I'm just 
	pointing out that such is human nature, and that you have 
	to convince yourselves, no-one else can do it for you.		

	We all accept and talk about atoms, electrons, neutrons,
	protons, etc., yet we haven't seen any of them.  A scientist
	can show me an impression made on a photographic plate
	by a streak of light and say: "That's an electron."  And
	I could say: "Really ?... If you say so ".  Is that proof
	enough for you ?.

	If you don't feel that what has been given is the truth,
	then you should ignore it and continue looking for until
	you find it; eventually, the truth will be found by all
	who search for it; the truth can only be one, and in the 
	end, the truth shall prevail.	

	By the way, for those who may be interested, these are 
	my own words, I am not quoting from any books, but the 
	basic information used here to explain the facts has 
	been gathered from books.

Such an authoritative tone!