Conference 7.286::sports_90

    THE OFFICIAL FIRST REPLY TO THE OFFICIAL CINCINATT1 BENGALS NOTE
    

    Anyone have anything close to a reliable accurate report on Ickey's
    knee?    Any substance to the rumor that he may miss the start of the
    coming season, or even more?
    
    Just_Sick_About_The_Ick
    

    OFFICIAL LAST REPLY TO THE CINCINNATI BENGALS NOTE
    
    OK, OK, I'm just kidding :)

    
    Icky's just another flash in the pan, destined to be a non-impact
    player for the remainder of his career.  
    
    It's what he gets for blessing us with the "icky Shuffle"
    

    re:.4
       Kind of like Bernie huh?
                                       Denny

    
    Wrong Denny...  Bernie never blessed us with any such garbage.. 
    
    Songs like Bernie Bernie were written about him, not by him.  
    
    There's no need or place for activities like the "ickey Shuffle" in 
    Pro Football.  
    

The injury to Ickey was the primary reason that the Bengals fared as poorly as 
they did this year. A healthy Woods would have put them in the middle of the
playoff picture. 

Even if you hate the shuffle you have to admit he's a heck of a running back.
He might not be as dominant as Christian Okoye but when you combine him 
with James Brooks you got as good a running back tandem as Rathman and Craig.

 I certainly hope he can come back 100% this year. If anyone has any details
please keep me posted...


Metz

re no place in football for the shuffle:

	I'm not a Cincy fan, but I'd say it fits in right
	about here:

		"the human drama of athletic competition"

'Saw

       When I said 'kinda like Bernie' I meant the "flash in the pan,
    destined to be a non-impact player" part.
                                      Denny

    
    re: -1
    
    You mean like the Patriots?  Flash in the pan... one season and
    gone...?

       Yup!
                                        

       That's the ticket slasher, we caint take no guff from these
    Wannabees!
                                         Denny

    
    re: .12
    
    Sure, If I rooted for a team that had never won an NFL championship,
    I'd say the same thing... but since I don't... I don't have to worry
    about it.

    Isn't there an 'Infantile Banter' Notesfile somewhere?
    
    
    Warmest Regards,
    
    Nelly

    
    Nellie, the 'infantile banter' note is 171.
    

       Right Nellie, that's why all this was started by a Browns fan. See
    note 171.4.
                                   Denny

       Have the Cavs ever won ANYTHING??
                                   Denny

    Wrong again Denny, all this was started by you see .5. 

    I simply stated my opinion that Ickey will be a distant memory in a 
    few years, you started the bashing which has now taken up 14 additional
    notes.   

    Getting back to the discussion at hand.. (Sports, Denny, which is 
    something you rarely have anything to add too, unless you picked it out
    of the Globe.)  

    It's my opinion that Cincy lives and dies on Boomer's arm not on the 
    running of Ickey Woods.  Brooks is a different story, I'd love to have 
    this guy (or another runner with his speed and tackle-breaking ability, 
    like Craig) on my team.  Ickey has had one good year, he was also blessed
    with a great O-Line.  The fact that he's a horse means that once he's
    in the secondary noone's gonna bring him down.  With that line, any big, 
    punishing runner should get big numbers, especially with the added 
    offensive threats of Boomer and Brooks.  He wasn't highley touted coming 
    out of college, so something tells me there's more to the picture than
    Ickey's raw ability, namely the line and the offensive style.  Then
    there's this shuffle thing...  puke.. it's one thing to get beat by 
    such an obnoxious team, but to have it rubbed in your face is another.  

    Bottom line, I don't think Ickey's as important to the Bengals as 
    everyone seems to think, any big horse with decent speed and moves
    should be able to take his place.  Boomer on the other hand usually
    determines the outcome, when he's on, forget it, you're in for a rough
    day.

    /Jeff 

    
    Woods had one excellent season out of one. 
    
    There are several players in the HoF that were not that highly touted
    coming out of college. Several others that are highly touted never make
    an impact. 
    
    I saw on Sportscenter a week or so ago that he is on schedule for his
    rehab and everything is looking good.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    Great to see so much interest in the Bengals note.
      Keep the notes coming.The mighty Bengals won't disapoint you
          this coming season.They will dominate the AFC CENTRAL.

                   Alibengal Scotland's No1 Bengal Fan.

I suppose if the offensive line was the key then Ickey's backup (forget his 
name) should have been able to step right in this year and have a 1000 yard
season and lead the NFl in touchdowns. Did you see it happen ? I didn't. 
This guy is just as big as Ickey and the o-line didn't change much last season.

I wonder why it didn't happen ?

Maybe...just maybe...Ickey Woods is a better football player then you give 
him credit for ?

nahhhhhh.....


  Bengals in '90,


       Metz

    
    Hoot,
    
    Maybe I jumped the gun a little by writting of Ickey.  But he
    was sucking big time last year before he went down with the
    injury.  Some of the "experts" said it was a blessing he did get
    injured because he wasn't producing AT ALL.  One good year, that's all
    he has shown so far, period.  Let's see how he produces this coming
    season before we either bury him or proclaim him the second coming of 
    Jim Brown.
    
    /Jeff

Surprised that nobody has commented on this...

Max Montoya, All-Pro OL and 11 year vet for the Bengals signed with the LA (or 
whatever they are these days) Raiders. 

The Bengals had left Montoya unprotected as a Plan B free agent thinking he
wouldn't leave the area (has a big Mexican restaurant over in Northern KY).
They were wrong. When Al Davis waved some big bucks at Max, he was gone. 

Wyche said they screwed up and wouldn't have put him on the unprotected list if
they even thought he would leave. Supposedly there was an "understanding"
between the Bengals and Montoya that they were going to re-sign him after the
free  agency period was over. 

Wyche also said that Brian Blados will start in Montoyas spot. 

Not a wise move for the Bengals.

Bruce (a Browns fan in Cincinnati who gets bombarded with Bengal news)

    That's really bad news regarding Montoya.He was a key player on
    Cincy's offensive line,and i don't think much of his replacement
    Blados.Cincy made a blunder not protecting a player of his quality.
    I would appreciate any other info on the Bengal's as up to date
    information is pretty hard to get here in Scotland.  
    
                              Bengals for the Bowl 1991

    Here's some information hot off the press:-
    
            Headlines from this week's Cincy Tribune
    
            BENGAL'S OWNER DISTANT RELATION TO SCROOGE
           
            It was revealed earlier this week that the Bengal's owner
            was directly related to scrooge. When quizzed about this
            the tycoon said "I always try to get sumthin' fur nuthin'.
            That's why most of the best players are leavin'"!
    
            read 'em & weep!!!!!
                                
                                the world's famous Hootsmon.

Bengals lose Ira Hillary WR to Vikings. Also lose a backup offensive lineman 
(can't remember his name).

Bengals sign Paul Palmer RB from the Dallas Cowboys (was a #1 pick of the
Kansas City Chiefs a couple of years back).

Bruce

    Is there anybody out there.
    Does anyone know the mighty Bengals schedule for next season,would
    be glad of any info.Hows Ickeys knee healing.
    
                 TIGERS FOR THE BOWL 1991
    

    No info on the schedule, but this past Sunday I met #64 (if I remember
    correctly), Bruce Kozerski.  He's married to the daughter of a
    neighbor, and they were up for the weekend.
    
    He was just inducted into the Holy Cross HOF last Sat.  They stayed
    for Mother's Day, then left for home.
    
    What a BIG guy!  Hands as big as a ham.  Very much involved with
    his little son Mathew, 2 years old.
    
    I'm a Pats fan, but I always try to catch the Bengals on TV so I
    can see him play.  Then, hwen his father-in-law starts talking about
    him, I can add a little to the converstion.

    His wife, Beth, is a real sweetheart.  She was, and still is,
    a quiet girl, with a great smile and a pretty face.  
    
    Lee

    re .37
    
    Well I'm a big BENGALS fan too.  I don't know the whole BENGALS
    schedule, but I have been making a list from looking at other teams
    that have been posted in the notesfile or the football notesfile.  Here
    is what I know.
    
    week 1  Jets
    week 2  @Chargers
    week 3  Patriots
    week 4  @Seahawks (Mon. night)
    week 5  ?
    week 6  ?
    week 7  @Browns  (Mon. night)
    week 8  @Falcons
    week 9  ?
    week 10 ?
    week 11 Steelers
    week 12 ?
    week 13 @Steelers
    week 14 ?
    week 15 @Raiders
    week 16 ?
    week 17 ?
    
    
    I also know that we do not play any of the folling teams:
    
    Eagles,Broncos,Redskins,Cowboys,Bills,Dolphins,Packers,Bears,Chiefs
    
    Of the eight ? one is the Browns, and two are the Oilers.
    
    Like you I also would like to know how Ickey is doing, and if anyone
    can fill in the blanks on my schedule please do so.
    
    Thanxs
    
    Mike Doll

    re .39:
    
    The AFC Central plays the NFC West this year, you can add games against
    SF, LA Rams, and New Orleans (not sure where or when).
                                        
    
    py

    Watch out for WEEK 2!!
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

Week 2


My two favorite teams battle it out aginst each other.....


can't wait....


Boomer vs. Billie-Joe.......


Metz

�Boomer vs. Billie-Joe.......


Sounds like the WWF....

    re .41
    
    Yeah, the BENGALS better not run up the score too much or they will
    catch flack from the media like they did after the 61-7 (or was it 3?)
    game against Houston last year.   :-)
    
    
    Mike
    

�< Note 171.44 by ORACLE::DOLL "Calvin meets Bart, news at 11" >

        great p_n Mike!  The combination of the two would be the
    quintessential youth of the 90's...  What a hellacious thought! 8^)
    
    sean

    Thanx Sean!  Quite a fearsome twosome!
    
    Mike.

    Sun Sep 9	Jets
    Sun Sep 16	at San Diego
    Sun Sep 23	New England
    Mon Oct 1	at Seattle
    Sun Oct 7	at Rams
    Sun Oct 14	Houston
    Mon Oct 22	at Cleveland
    Sun Oct 28	at Atlanta (night)
    Sun Nov 4	New Orleans
    Sun Nov 11	Open Date
    Sun Nov 18	Pittsburgh (night)
    Sun Nov 25	Indianapolis
    Sun Dec 2	at Pittsburgh
    Sun Dec 9	San Francisco
    Sun Dec 16	at Raiders
    Sun Dec 23	at Houston
    Sun Dec 30	Cleveland

Starting CB Eric Thomas blew out his knee in a pick-up basketball game and is
lost for the upcoming '90/'91 season. 

This mornings Enquirer said he was going up for an uncontested layup and just
landed funny. They compared the injury to Joe Walters and Ickey Woods in
severity. 

Wyche said they will probably move Rickey Dixon to CB and put Solomon Wilcots
at strong safety. They also will give their draft picks (picked DBs in the 2nd
and 6th rounds) a close look.

Bruce (a Browns fan in Cincy)

    I just heard that Lewis Billups may miss the coming season due to
    a jail sentence.He apparently pointed a loaded gun at a policeman
    and may end up serving a six month sentence starting August.I wonder
    if anyone stateside could confirm this story.
    
                   Alan a Cincy fan in Ayr

    Haven't heard that, but I did hear that Boomer tore up his knee
    real bad in a bar fight...  he may be out for the entire season...
    
    

Making my monthly check-in to this note...

Re: Billips

Lewis Billips was indeed charged and convicted of some felony stemming from the
incident where he pointed a semi-automatic pistol at an off-duty policeman
while driving on the interstate. He was convicted and will serve his sentence
(I think it was 6 weeks in jail) after the NFL season.

Biilips however, has been a hold-out this year and has yet (at this date) to
report to camp. With Eric Thomas out for the season, Ricky Dixon out for 4-6
weeks for a 'scoped knee, and Billips hold-out, the Bengals are HURTIN' at
cornerback. I've caught bits and pieces of their pre-season games and they have
made the likes of Marc Wilson look like All-Pro. 

Re: Boomer

Naaaah, he's fine. Say, how did the Cleveland press handle Wyche's appearance
at the dunking booth up in Cleveland?

A Browns fan in Bengal-land,
Bruce

    re .51
    
    I heard on cnn yesterday that somebody who was a hold-out finally signed.  
    Since I was out of the room and at the time wasn't aware of who if anybody
    was holding out I don't know who it was.  I assume that it was Billips.
    
    What is the news on Ickey Woods, haven't heard anything (good or bad)
    about him all year.  Is anybody still holding out?  Who will take the
    spot vacated by Montoya (sp?)  I have heard next to nothing about the
    Bengals here in Mass.
    
    
    I'm moving back to my home State of Ohio (Dayton) in about a week,
    it'll be good to cheer for the Bengals, and get Playoff tickets for the
    REDS.
    
    Mike

    I hope your right about Billups signing the Bengals secondary is
    a disaster right now.They have conceded about 600yards against the
    pass in two preseason defeats against Tampa and Atlanta and that
    was second string Qbacks.I heard Tim M,gee has'nt signed yet.As
    for Ickey i heard he was fit but Wyche is'nt saying to much about
    him.Would appreciate any other info.
    
    Big Al Scotlands no1 Bengal Fan

    re .-1
    
    Tim McGee signed late last week.  Bengels traded Joe Kelly, perhaps
    their most talented linebacker and an offensive lineman, perhaps Joe
    Walter, to the Jets for unsigned 2nd round pick Reggie Rembert. I don't
    what went through Rembert's head but he became expendable when Rob
    Moore showed he's the real thing in camp.  I'd still have liked to see
    Rembert with the Jets, but I can't argue because the Jets had some big
    holes to fill at LB and the OL.
    
    Dan

    Scott Jones was the offensive lineman included in the Rembert deal.
    
    John

    A good start to the season for the Bengals,2 good come from behind
    wins.Has anyone got any stats for the opening games.

    Hope you 'aint talkin' to yourself there boy !!!
                                                    Hootsmon........!

    Cleveland Browns Defending AFC Central Champions.
    Cincinnati Bengals Defending AFC Central Cellar Dwellers.

    Clevescum Brown(spot)s(tm) defending Afc Central Champs
    Clevescum Brown(spot)s(tm) impending AFC Central Cellar Chumps!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    I wasn't following the preseason real well and have one question about
    the Bungles:
    
    Where has Ickey "The Dancing Dork" Woods been.  I haven't seen his name
    anywhere recently.  Was he a one season wonder who couldn't cut it in
    the NFL anymore, or what????????
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Ickey is on the"physically unable to play" list for the Bengals.
    
    
    
    
    Steve

TSN reports that Icky has resumed practice and should join the active list
in week 6 I believe. Icky swears to comeback strong....

    
    Ickey is living up to my prophecy of being a flash-in-da-pan.  
    
    Hopes he's forgotten how to dance during his 1 year lay-off.  
    
    /Jeff

    Woods was out for almost all of 1989 with a knee injury.  I'm not sure
    if he's on Injured Reserve, the Physically Unable to Perform List or is
    active, but he hasn't played yet this year.  I think he was pointed out
    on the sideline, in civilian clothes, on Sunday.
    
    John

    Great victory on the road for the mighty Bengals.Has anyone got
    any stats for the game.Hows the defense playing against the run.
                             
                         

    Cincinatti		14 	 7	 7	 3	 3	-	34
    LA Rams		 0	 7	14	10	 0	-	31
    
    			Cin	LA
    First Downs		26	26
    Rushes-Yards	28-99	26-113
    Passing		464	364
    Return Yards	13	37
    Comp-Att-Int	30-44-0 25-46-0
    Sacked-Yards Lost	1-7	2-8
    Punts		4-41	6-42
    Fumbles-Lost	4-2	1-1
    Penalties-Yards	10-69	6-45
    Possession		39:10	32:46
    
    All-in-all there doesn't appear to be any defense 8^)
    
    The Wizard

    Bernice just got intercepted and the Bung(ho)les have the ball first
    and goal at the 2.  
    
    The real story is that the "Dancing Dork" returned to the field for the
    Bung(ho)les.
    
    Score is Bung(ho)les    14
             Brown(spot)s(tm) 3
    
    JaKe
    

    Hey Alan,
    	     don't you fancy jumping the bandwagon & supporting a team with
    a good record this year ? Heh heh !
    
    Davie...(alias Hootsmon)....(alias Dan's Scottish understudy)

    
    Bandwagon... how can a guy from Scotland even talk about bandwagon 
    jumping... how is it that you latched on with the Bengals... you
    liked the color of their uniforms... or was it when they made it
    to the super bowl that you jumped on the bandwagon...

    re .68
    
    Ole Wallace, where HAVE you been ? Lasted year, I couldn't get rid of
    you in the last month of the season. 
    
    It's amazing how a 48-17 plastering can make a man run for cover ...
    
    heh heh heh
    
    Doc

    It seems you've stired up a hornets nest Davie.These guys think
    your a Bengals fan but we both know there's only one true Scots
    BENGAL fan and thats me BIG AL FAE AYR.As you say Davie its good
    supporting a team with a good record but i would'nt say were 
    Bandwagon jumpers having supported the same team for the last 
    seven years by the way thats when they started to show it in 
    Scotland Groanowaski.By the way Doc the i'am looking forward
    to DEC 23rd when their will be a few OILSLICKS left on the
    Astroturf in the JUNGLE.Give me a phone GROANoski and we'll
    talk about Monday nights game. HA HA
    

I can hear the the pipes playing "Scotland the Brave"
and I can hear the Claymores rattlin'...

Beware all, these boys know more than just tossin' the caber.
They take their American Football very seriously in Scotland!


'Saw

    
    re: -.71
    
    Don't worry, I won't be phoning you... i don't talk to guys who
    wear skirts!

    .74
    
    Better than any bowling pin comment Groner ever thought of.
    
    Made me pee my skir...er...pants...yeah...that's what I meant.
    
    	--dan'l

    re .74
    
    beeeeeUtifuuuull !!!!!!!!!!!
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!

Boy, you guys are really pushing it.

You can say we're cheap, you can say we're miserly, you can
even say that haggis is disgusting, but don't start talking
about kilts....

'Saw 

    
    re:  .76
    
    Midwife, how do you know I wear button-fly jeans... were you
    checking me out or something?  BTW, I'd like it to be public
    knowledge that DrM (after losing in a one-on-one hoop game
    last year) declined a rematch after our last DEC league game.
    He claimed he was tired out from the 15 minutes he was in the
    game...  HA HA HA
    
    re: .77
    
    A kilt is a skirt... look up the definition in the dictionary.
    

    re .78
    
    I have nothing to say to glorified B-league players who wet their pants
    at the sight of A-league comp.
    
    BTW, Paul ... what was the score of that Monday night game ? We beat
    the Bungals 48-17 ... I'm sure the Clowns rooooled right ???
    
    heh heh heh ...

    
    Doc, you are a wimp plain and simple... go back to B division where
    you belong...!

    Groanoski cant take the heat he's cracking up.He can't face up to
    the fact the Brownspots are going to be the Central cellar dwellers.
    He's already slagging of his team and coach in fact i can see him
    jumping on the 49er bandwagon.He just can't handle the pups getting
    stomped.
                   The Kilted Warrior

�                  -< Groaner found with claymore up his ass >-
�
�                   The Kilted Warrior


Gotta love it.  Just gotta love it.

Thanks for makin' me smile this morning.....

'Saw

	This stuff is close to crossing the border of good taste, if it
hasn't already. No need for sexual innuendos in here, guys. Please, get it
back to the topic in the title.

	Jim M.

>Please, get it
>back to the topic in the title.
    
    OK, Boomer wears a skirt.
    
    No, sorry, that's Bernie.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    Boomer refuses to talk to the press unless he is wearing his 
    favorite plaid skirt. 

    
     Do any of you guys know if Tim McGee will be playing this weekend 
     against the Falcons ??
    
     Ashman (hoping-wyche-whips-glanville-again)
    

 McGee is listed as probable for the sunday nite clash....

 mike    

    
    
    Alibengal here....
    
    
    Ever notice how those skirt-clad fans are silent when the HasBenGals
    get pasted by a lowly team?

    A crunch game coming up against the Steelers a week on Sunday.The
    Bengals have got to improve defensively to have a realistic chance
    of winning the central.
    
                          

    
    	AFC -- appears to be well on it's way to being settled.
    
    		Steelers by two games
    
        The difference being the two spankings put on the cats.  Soon
    	to be gee-tar strangs
    
    Roy L.

    I think you're being a bit over confident,the mighty Bengals will
    take the Steelers this coming Sunday and go on to win the Central.
    I saw Bubblehead Brister blowing on TV about how easy it was going
    to be big mistake.Bengals by 10.

    
    The Mighty Bengals are 5-4... ha ha ha... put a fork in 'em!
    

    The Bengals are 5-4; the Steelers are 5-4.  This week they are the only
    game with both teams over .500!
    
    Dan

    
    I don't think there was a game between two teams over .500 last week. 
    I can't see how you can call it parity with a few 9-0 and 8-1 teams and
    everyone ekse 3-6 or worse.

    rep 91
        Steelers come to the jungle and get mauled,never get to confident
        about beating the mighty Bengals.
                     TIGER TIGER BURNING BRIGHT WHO IS THE CENTRAL GUIDING
                                           LIGHT.
                                                BENGALS BENGALS

    
    The mighty (6-4) bengals... ha ha ha...!

    Does anyone know the severity of Anthony Munoz injury

    Same says he expects Munoz to play Sunday.
    
    	--dan'l

    Re: -2
           He has been reported to be having chronic shoulder pains. The
    physio reckons the cause is that he's carrying the whole team, ho ho !!
    
    Fancy jumping on the Dolphins' bandwagon - it's your only sure way of
    earning an interest in the playoffs !
    					 Hootsmon.
    		

    Bengals got a good victory last night and keep in the playoff race.
    The fish on the other hand got squished.Maybe the two will meet
    in the playoffs where the Tigers will have fish for dinner.
    The mighty Bengals did not concede a touchdown to the Squeelers
    this Season and have'nt lost to them since 1987.
    
    
    
                             BENGALS KEEP IN HUNT

    The mighty Bengals lost a close one at the Jungle last night,but
    they gave a good account of themselves.Once again the central is
    wide open,i thinkto reach the playoffs the boys will have to win
    a division i dont think there will any wildcards looking at the
    other divisional standings.Does anyone know anything about Ricky
    Dixons injury.