Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Why is Washington eliminated?
    If the Eagles lose two, they will be 10-6.
    If the Rams lose one, they will be 10-6.
    If the Redskins win one, they will be 10-6.
    Assuming either Green Bay or Minnesota loses this week, the above
    three teams would be tied.
    The Eagles would have a conference record of 7-5.
    The Redskins and Rams have a conference record of 8-4.
    
    The only thing that I can figure is, they must use the divisional
    tie breaker first, and then use the conference tie breaker.
    Does anyone know if this is true?
    
                                  Steve J.
    

It just so happens that the father of Willard Reeves is a neighbor of mine and
I was interested in knowing more about him.

Thanks,

Cb.

    Re: 60.2

     Willard Reeves is a runningback. He spent all of his carreer in the
     Canadien Football League. Tried out with the Redskins this past year
     and was one of the final cuts in August. Was called back on to the 
     team a week or two into the season, but I thought he was released
     again. He's in his late 20's, might even be 30 years old. A real good
     runner down near the goal line. Big and strong runner

     I'm not sure if he's on the Redskins roster now, a Redskins fan might
     be able to help.

Chuck

    re: .1
    
    	if the redskins, eagles and rams tie with a 10-6 record, the
    first criteria for the tie-breaker is the head to head sweep.  did
    the redskins lose to both philly and l.a.?  if so, there's the answer.
    
    sean

    Re:.-1
    Redskins never played the Rams this season.
    
    Re:.1
    The conference record is used after the head to head, not divisional
    since it is unfair to compare that for different conferences.  The next
    would be common opponents.  I think I ran it down somewhere else before
    (in FOOTBALL I think) and showed that in common opponents the Redskins
    will lose to the Rams.
    
    Charles

    I can't remember the exack(tm) reasons, but I did hear that if the
    Rams won Sunday (which they did), the Skins were eliminated.
    
    JoJ

    
    Redskins fans won't die easily.
    
    If the Redskins tie with the Rams, they lose on record against common 
    opponents.  They lose a tie with Philly on divisional record.  If all 
    three tie, Philly drops out of the first tie-breaker (conference 
    record), and then LA wins tie with the Redskins.  Then Philly and 
    Washington revert back to the top of the tie-breaker criteria, which 
    Philly wins on divisional record.
    
    The Rams can now make the playoffs even with a loss to New England if
    Philly, Green Bay, Minnesota, or Washington (even though they're
    already eliminated, they still affect the tie-breakers) lose.
    
    The Eagles can still make the playoffs with a loss to Phoenix if Green
    Bay or Minnesota lose.
    
    glenn
    

    re .7
     Thanks, that sounds right. I was thinking two wildcard slots, Philly
    drops first tie breaker, that leaves Washington and L.A.
    
                                  wishful thinking
    
                                   Steve J.

    re> 60.2
    Reeves was resigned by the skins....however he was then released
    again......he then signed on with Miami..however Miami released
    him late in the season and he is now out of football......he was
    a good short yardage runner and i thought he'd make it with Miami...but
    they really like S. Smith so Reeves got the axe......hope this helps
    
    steve

    Home               Away
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    Giants             Giants
    Eagles             Eagles
    Cardinals          Cardinals
    Cowboys            Cowboys
    Lions              Saints
    Bears              49-ers
    Bills              Colts
    Dolphins           Patriots
    
    
    Seasons Greetings,
    
    Edwin
    
    

    During Saturday's game, they mentioned that Jim Lachey gave up 0
    sacks this year and only had one holding penalty called on him all
    year. The really unbelievable part is that he didn't make the pro
    bowl.
    
                            Steve J.

    The players who go to the Pro Bowl each year are elected by their
    peers, namely the other pro football players.
    
    If Lachey didn't go, it's because he didn't impress his peers enough. 
    Or because someone was more impressive.  Either way, he wasn't good
    enough to go.
    
    I did see one of the year-end highlights films the other day and they
    showed the monster hit that Lachey laid on Jerry Robinson of the
    Raiders following an interception.  Ouch.
    
    Bob Hunt

    
    Steve J.,
    You are right. Lachey is the best OT in the league. If anyone got
    shafted for the Pro Bowl, he did.
    
    RE: The hit.
    Both missed three games from that hit. Robinson from a concussion,
    Lachey with an injured shoulder.

    Lachey isn't the only skin to get over looked......seems to me that
    the 2nd best offense in the NFC should atleast have 1 player make
    the Pro-Bowl.....
    glad to see we play the Pats in '90.......be nice to get a week
    off durning year.......

    
    Nobody mentioned that the great Doug "one game" Williams got released
    by the QB-rich Washington Redskins.

    And signed one of the Giant's Jeff QB's...

    Doug was released because of the size of his contract. I don't know
    of any team, besides the Jets, paying a backup QB over a million
    a year.
    
                                   Steve J.

    >>of any team, besides the Jets, paying a backup QB over a million
    >>a year.
    
    How about...Buffalo, SF, Miami
    
    JoJ

    Huh ? SF has Young, who will evetually be the starter for the next
    5-10 years. What about the other two ?

considering Young is already 28 and montana intends to play for another 3-5 
years (which would make young 31 at the earliest to be the starting qb)...

I doubt he'll be the starter for the next 10 years :-) Even 5 is stretching
it a bit. Of course if montana goes down this year He could start for the next
5 years....

If I were young I'd be screaming for a trade to KC about now....


Metz

    He was been Metz, but Seifert and Debartolo have both asked him
    to be patient. They are also both trying to find ways to get him
    some decnt playing time on the Niners .... lots of luck.
    
    Even if Montana plays another 3 years, and Young takes over at 31,
    he's a young 31 - very few hits, no major injuries. If he's been
    taking care of himself, he should play well for at least 5 -7 years
    (I suppose 10 was a bit extreme unless your name is Blanda :-)....

    Oops, sorry, I missed the keyword "backup" in that line.
    
    Never mind....
    
    JoJ

I agree doc that Young is a Young 28....but I think it's past time for him to 
be patient. Joe is the #1 gun on that team and Young knows it. Even if he got
the chance to star at 31 the body just doesn't bounce back from injury as
quickly at that age as it does when you're younger....

If I was him I'd be looking to be moved to a contender like KC or Minny...
Or take a risk at an up and coming team like Detroit....

Metz

    Also it may not be to good for Young's psyche to replace the "best QB
    in football" when Montana finally decides to hang it up.  It's always
    hard to replace a winner.
    
    Glenn

>    hard to replace a winner.
    
It can be very hard to replace a wiener too, but that's a different story...

    But its easy to replace a whiner....
    

    I can't see SF trading Young within the conference (ie. Minnesota),
    and Detroit has Peete ... however San Diego, KC, the Jests, Raiders,
    and a couple of other teams could use a QB.
    
    Heck, given the Cleveland QB's inabilty to scramble or win a big
    game, they could use Young. Denver too ......

    ...not to mention the Oilers!
                                        Denny

    Wrong you are Brooks. ....SD doesn't need a QB.  We're all set.
    
    Glenn

    
    Glenn, Williams isn't a QB, he's a stiff.  Are the Chargers set on
    over paid stiffs?

    Why are you asking me about Williams?  The Chargers aren't interested
    in Williams to my knowledge.  They have Tolliver as the starter and
    McMahon as backup.  I don't think they need a QB.
    
    Glenn

    Glenn, they also have Bobby Beathard who doesn't think that
    Williams is all that good.  Beathard won't make the move because
    he's a good judge of ability.  Congrats a good GM can make all
    of the difference in the world, as long as the owner isn't cheap...
    
    Jeff

    Bobby B. is a good judge of talent, but his thing with Williams
    was based on a suit that the Skins and Williams had going, Beathard
    was a 'witness' for management, so take his facks with a grain of
    salt.
    
    Anyhow, if Doug is healthy (and that's a LARGE if), he can still
    be an effective QB.
    
    re Glenn,
    
    The Chargers are looking good. They'll looking even better if they
    run behind Courtney .... :-)
                      
    Doc
                      
    p.s. Doug being released shouldn't be a suprise to any knowledgable
    fans except Paul The girlyMon ... but he ain't exaczakly what we'd
    call knowledgable right ? :-)

                   Redskins Draft-First Day

Round/   Player              Comments
Pick
----     ------              ------
2/46     Andre Collins,LB     Played Safety two seasons, might play there
         6-1,224, Penn State  in pros. Had 130 tackles in '89. Good speed
                              and range. Good on pass coverage. Can play
                              Special Teams.

3/76     Mohammed Elewonibi,  Winner of Outland Trophy in '89 as college
         G,6-4 5/8,300 BYU    football top lineman. Great size. Quick feet
                               and hands make him tops in pass protection.
                              Can pull.

4/86     Cary Conklin,QB,     Has size and arm. Passed for 2,569 yards
         6-4,215, Washington  and 16 TDs in '89. Plays hurt. Can throw
                              deep. Consistency is a question.

4/109    Rico Labbe,DB,       Jack Bicknell , his coach at BC says he is
         5-11 1/4 Boston      "powerfully built" great for strong Safety.
         College              The Labbe family lives about 1/2 hour from
                              Redskin Park.
5/130    Brian Mitchell,RB,
         5-10,195, SW Louisiana 

    
    The reason Elewonibi lasted so long is that he has had several
    operations on his shoulder and was considered a medical risk.

 Grade: B- No number 1 choice. LB Andre Collins can cover RBs out of the
           backfield, plays Special Teams well. Might be a liability on
           running downs because of size. Redskins glad to select big
           G Mohammed Elewonibi, see the 300-pounder in situation pass
           protection.

           DT Kent Wells possibly a factor in a few years hence, is less
           a project than
           DT Thomas Rayam. Sleeper ILB Jon Leverenz, who has had knee 
           problems. Needed DB in DB-poor draft.
           Picks:                           Round/Selection
           Andre Collins, LB, Penn State        2/46
           Mohammed Elewonibi, G, BYU           3/76
           Cary Conklin, QB, Washington         4/86
           Rico Labbe, DB, Boston College       4/109
           Brian Mitchell, RB, SW Louisiana     5/130
           Kent Wills, DB, Nebraska             6/160
           Tim Moxley, G, Ohio State            9/243
           D'Juan Francisco, DB, Notre Dame    10/262
           Thomas Rayam,DT,Alabama             10/270
           Jon Leverenz.LB, Minnesota          11/297

    RE: Elewonibi
    I had read that in the New England Patriots notes.
    Sounds similar to when the Redskins drafted Tracy Rocker who
    was( I believe) an Outland Trophy winner/Interior Lineman.
    
    Hope it works out, well.

                              1989 Record: 10-6-0
  Date     Team            Time
  ----     ----            ----

  Sep  9   Phoenix           1
  Sep 16   at San Francisco  4
  Sep 23   Dallas            1
  Sep 30   at Phoenix        8
  Oct  7   Open Date
  Oct 14   NY Giants         4
  Oct 21   Philadelphia      1
  Oct 28   at NY Giants      4
  Nov  4   at Detroit        1
  Nov 12   at Philadelphia   9  Monday Night Game
  Nov 18   New Orleans       1
  Nov 22   at Dallas         4  Thanksgiving Day Game
  Dec  2   Miami             1
  Dec  9   Chicago           4
  Dec 15   at New England    4  Saturday Game
  Dec 22   at Indianapolis   8  Saturday Game
  Dec 30   Buffalo           1

                       
      Date      Opponent       Time

      Aug 11    Atlanta        7:30pm   Saturday
                at Chapel Hill

      Aug 17    Pittsburgh     8pm      Friday

      Aug 25    at Cleveland   7:30 pm  Saturday

      Aug 31    LA Rams        8pm      TNT/Friday*

    
                               USA Today
    
     Fruitlees contracts talks have Washington Redskins quarterback Mark
     Rypien planning to play out his option and try free agency next season,
     his agent said Wednesday.

     Rypien, concluding his original five year contract, stands to earn
     $600,000 with incentives this season, though his base salary is
     $250,000. He is seeking a two year deal worth about $3M. The Redskins
     offer is approximately $2.4M for three years.

     "We're quite a bit apart and at an impasse," said Ken Staninger.
     "We're just trying to get what the average quarterback in making."

     Redskins General Manager Charlie Casserly said the team wants to 
     re-sign Rypien but not at his asking price.

     Staninger said Rypien had elected NOT to hold out and force the issue
     because "it was not in the team's best interest or in Mark's. But it
     appears we're going to have to play out our option and try free agency
     next February."
    
    
     Edwin

 too bad for Rypien there's no free agency.....

 mike

    � "We're quite a bit apart and at an impasse," said Ken Staninger.
    � "We're just trying to get what the average quarterback in making."
    
    Smart strategy for the agent of an *average* quarterback like Rypien.
    
    The goal for *every* player should be to be so good you don't need an
    agent.  Look under "Montana, Joe" for more details.  Certainly not what
    you would call the *average* signal caller, no ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    What is "average" in this case?
    
    The average salary of the starting QB's in the league, or, what
    the salary seems to be for a QB with "average" talent?
    
    Can be a HUGE difference.
    
    Lee

    I was just trying to come up with a play on the words of Rypien's agent
    when he said he wanted the salary of an "average quarterback", which,
    in every definition of the word, Mark Rypien is.
    
    Bob Hunt

    >I was just trying to come up with a play on the words of Rypien's agent
    >when he said he wanted the salary of an "average quarterback", which,
    >in every definition of the word, Mark Rypien is.
    
    He came on very strong when Gibbs let him throw the ball more the
    second half of last season.  By the end of this season, Rypien may
    well be considered a better than average QB.
    
    Dan

    RE:.42
    
    Rypien statictically was the fifth best quarterback in the NFL
    last year.
    
    Montana had Bob Woolf for an agent. Montana credited Woolf with
    financially putting him back on his feet. With Ed Debartalo(sp)
    a generous owner, Montana got what he wanted and pocketed the
    money which would have gone to his agent.
    
    I really don't know the salaries of [statistically] comparable 
    quarterbacks, but what he is asking doesnot appear to be too out of
    line. The Redskins are playing hardball because of Stan Humphries.
    Perhaps it has more to do with the salaries of the top players
    on the team--Monk, Green, etc.
    
    Edwin

    � He came on very strong when Gibbs let him throw the ball more the
    � second half of last season.  
    
    Which must be why Gibbs went out and got yet another classic one-back
    in James Wilder.
    
    � By the end of this season, Rypien may well be considered a better
    � than average QB.
    
    And the Skins may well have a "better than average" record.  Which
    would mean a 9-7 card and *maybe* the extra wild-card slot.
    
    They're a solid third in the NFC East.   About average, I'd say.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Keep dreaming Bob, Rypia is one of the best young QB's in the league.
    In 1988, he led the league in passing for several weeks. Last year, he
    had a Pro-Bowl season (except for those (&@!^ fumbles every time he was
    sacked).
    
    Being the 2nd best QB in the divison isn't bad, if the Top Dog is named
    Cunningham.
    
    And Mark has better wideouts.
    
    Look for 3,500 yards, 25 TD's .... and the Skins to go 11-5.

    
    If Ryp wants to hold out ....
    
    
    
    BRING BACK DOUG !!!!!!!!!
    
    

    RE:.49 Doug Williams
    
    That makes it three times we are in agreement--twice in one week,
    you're wreaking my image of you.
    
    Perhaps we'll go through another year without agreeing.
    
    Have you been drinking weird water or something ?
    
    Edwin

                          USA Today Fri 31 August
    
     Today's USA Today indicated that he is seeking a two year deal worth 
     about $3M but that  the Redskins are offering $3.2M over three years
     instead of the  $2.4M for three years mentioned in yesterday's report.
 
     Can anyone from the DC area verify which is correct ?
    
    
     On Thursday Ken Staninger, Rypien's agent refused to talk about
     the plan [to play out option year].  Coach Joe Gibbs , however, said
     pressure goes with the job. "I think the key for any quarterback is
     how well you handle the pressure," said Gibbs. " It can only be a
     distraction if Mark lets it be."
    
     Edwin
    

    
    Ok.  Where did the 'skins fans go.....
    
    Well, let me get my 2 cents in about Doug Williams.  I saw the
    Washington-Dallas game last year (Sunday night on TNT, or whatever),
    and basically, flat-out, Williams singlehandedly lost the game.  Clark
    and Sanders and Monk were wide open all game, and he kept overthrowing
    and underthrowing them.  If Rypien didn't have the 4 fumbles against 
    the Raiders, Williams *NEVER* would have played again.  
    
    Well at least he's gone now.  
    
    As for the season, as long as they beat the Eagles at home, I don't see
    how they can finish worse then 2nd if they stay healthy.  The best the
    Eagles can hope for is 5-3 in the division.  The Eagles have the Rams
    this week, and lost a good defensive player last week (yes, I forget
    his name.)  Let's be honest, the Eagles are not going to be plus 26 
    in the turnover dept this year!!!!!   No team is that
    lucky/good/whatever you want to call it!!!!

    
    Also, I'd love to get some good tickets for the Redskin-Patriots
    game this year (Saturday, 4pm game in December. Brrrrhhhh.)  
    
    Anyone, know anyone who has season tickets?????
    
    john

    Re: -2
    
    The player that the Birds lost is Mike Pitts. He had knee surgery today
    and will be out six weeks.
    
    Dennis
    

    Lots of Patriots - Redskins tickets available at the box office. 
    Probably lots of scalping (no pun intended) action in the parking lot
    before the game.
    
    Should have no trouble.
    
    John

    1-800-543-1776 for Pats tickets.
                                              Denny

    
    Ya just might want to wait a while on the Pats - Deadskins tickets.
    
    Just watch the Pats notes file.  By Dec. 15 the Pats will have no
    playoff hopes, the weather prediction will be for a wind-chill factor
    of minus 105, and the game will be played at night to boot.
    
    Should be able to pick up tickets for a song.
    
    Dickster
    

    WHo is leading the 'skins in recieving, tds, etc. 

>>    WHo is leading the 'skins in recieving, tds, etc. 


Who is on first.

    Whats on second.

    I don't know is on third

                           RECEIVING TURDS?!?!?!

                WHAT THE HELL KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT!?!??

                        (Can they say that in here?)


                            I'm really shocked!

                     TTTHHHHHHUUUUUUUUDDDDDD!!!!!! (tm)

   Mike JN

    WHo is starting for da skins at QB this week

     Scoring: Lohmiller leads NFC with 27 points

     Rushing: Byner 41 atmps 182 yds 4.4 yds avg

     Recieving: Sanders 16 for 197 yds 12.3 avg 1 TD

     INts: Green 3 for 20 yds 1 TD

     Redskins lead the NFC with Give-aways/Take-Away with +8
     only 1 fumble lost.

     Edwin
    

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           Is There a Washinton Redskin Fan Out There ??
    
    
     Can someone tell me what the status of a guy named ORR on the
    redskins is ? Or direct me to note that will .
    
    thanks
    steveo
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          Forgot to Mention he Played Tightend in Preseason !!
    

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     No.  Player             P    Ht.  Wt.  Exp.

      2   Ralf Mojsiejenko   P    6-2  212    6
      8   Chip Lohmiller     K    6-3  213    3
     11   Mark Rypien        QB   6-4  234    4
     16   Stan Humphries     QB   6-2  223    2
     20   Alvoid Mays        CB   5-9  180    1
     21   Ernest Byner       RB   5-10 215    7
     23   Todd Bowles        S    6-2  203    5
     24   Kelvin Bryant      RB   6-2  195    4
     28   Darrell Green      CB   5-8  170    8
     30   Brian Mitchell     RB   5-10 195    R
     32   James Wilder       RB   6-3  225   10
     34   Brian Davies       CB   6-2  190    4
     35   Martin Mayhew      CB   5-8  172    2
     37   Gerald Riggs       RB   6-1  232    9
     40   Alvin Walton       S    6-0  180    5
     50   Ravin Caldwell     LB   6-3  229    4
     51   Monte Coleman      LB   6-2  230   12
     53   Jeff Bostic        C    6-2  260   11
     54   Kurt Gouveia       LB   6-1  227    4
     55   Andre Collins      LB   6-1  230    R
     58   Wilber Marshall    LB   6-1  230    7
     60   Fred Stokes        DE   6-3  262    4
     63   Raleigh McKenzie   C-G  6-2  270    6
     66   Joe Jacoby         T    6-7  310   10
     68   Russ Grimm         G    6-3  275   10   
     69   Mark Schiereth     G    6-3  285    2
     71   Charles Mann       DE   6-6  270    8
     74   Markus Koch        DE   6-5  275    5
     76   Ed Simmons         T    6-5  300    4
     77   Darrly Grant       DT   6-1  275   10
     78   Tim Johnson        DT   6-3  261    4
     79   Jim Lachey         T    6-6  290    6
     80   Joe Howard         WR   5-8  170    3
     81   Art Monk           WR   6-3  209   11
     83   Ricky Sanders      WR   5-11 180    5
     84   Gary Clark         WR   5-9  173    6
     85   Don Warren         TE   6-4  242   12
     86   Ron Middleton      TE   6-2  255    5
     87   Terry Orr          TE   6-3  227    5
     88   Jimmie Johnson     TE   6-2  246    2
     89   Walter Stanley     WR   5-9  180    6
     91   Greg Manusky       LB   6-1  242    3
     99   Tracy Rocker       DT   6-3  288    2
    
    
    Edwin
    BTW: By my count there are 43 [ 4 missing]

    The only game I was able to see was the game on TNT. It was the
    first that the 'Skins went back to the two-tight-end versus the three
    wideouts. This was for Stan Humphries benefit because Rypien is on IR.
    
    The short of it is that Terry Orr is third behind Don Warren and Jimmie
    Johnson and because the 'Skins have been in the three wide receivers
    alignment, Teryy has NOT recorded a single catch this season.
    
    The game against the Giants this Sunday will be telecasted in New
    England which means I will be looking out for Terry.
    
    I have not seen any memtion of his being injured,etc.
    
    Edwin