Conference noted::windows95

  One more thing: Please don't ask me to change to an editor other than EDT.

	Geez, get a better terminal emulator Bob.. VTstar runs great
	on Win95. No need to go into DOS. Even Kermit95 works well
	I hear.

	VTSTAR is free internally. 

								mike

Right - this is your terminal emulator screwing up.

			Steve

    Hullo,
    
    VTstar/VT320 is good, and does telent fine. Kermit-95 is good too, but
    cost money. MS-Kermit is free, and has a good VT320 emulator.
    
    But best of all (imho) is eXcursion! you "$creat/terminal/detach" on
    the VMS system, and up pops a nice X-terminal window with (my favourite
    bit) a scroll bar! Of _all_ the things I miss about most other T/Es is
    the lack of a scroll bar.
    
    hth,
    
    H

    re: .4 by BBQ::WOODWARDC
    
    >> scroll bar
    
    If I understand the meaning of scroll bar, it's there in vt320e.  I use
    a buffer of 1000 lines, but I presume it can be set much higher.
    
    For just terminal emulation, I prefer the low overhead of a non-X
    implementation.
    
    Cheers,
    
    /Bill
    

    VT320's scroll bar is extremely limited.
    
    The about-to-ship PATHWORKS32 also includes PowerTerm, which is a *LOT*
    better TE --I use it exclusively now-- and DIGITAL has a great
    licensing agreement.  
    
    
    
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Jacques,

Please contact Jeff Babington DTN 226-6882

    I very much want the PATHWORKS 32 emulator PowerTerm 525 put onto
    internal machines

Regards
Rob Emsley
PATHWORKS Product Line mnager
    

RE: .6

	Point us to a kit of just PowerTerm and I'm sure many of
	us will try it out.

							mike
					who doesn't want to install the
					whole Pathworks kit

>    But best of all (imho) is eXcursion! you "$creat/terminal/detach" on
>    the VMS system, and up pops a nice X-terminal window

  I am confused. Do you enter $creat... from the Xcursion session, or does
$creat... put you into Xcursion?
  I played with Xcursion very briefly a few months ago.

    You install eXcursion on your PC. In its setup you can define host
    account information (including username, password, and O/S type (VMS
    or UNIX) to indicate what kind of shell commands need to be executed
    at the host). You also need to specify authorization for hosts
    (which hosts are permitted to open windows on your PC.) You can then
    tie specific predefined applications such as DECterm to these
    account definitions in the eXcursion setup on the PC and start the
    applications remotely (no need to log into the host first).
    
    You can also just start eXcursion on the PC, then use other means to
    log into a host (e.g. VMS) and direct X output to the PC via
    something like $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=yourpc/TRANSPORT=TCPIP. But
    (once configured) remote startup is much more convenient.

    p.s. -- you can specify which apps are automatically run when
    eXcursion is started so you can have a default set of windows
    without starting each one manually.
    
    p.p.s -- one disadvantage of eXcursion for terminal emulation is
    that it requires a lot of bandwidth, so refresh is somewhat sluggish
    even with a local network connection. It's only marginally tolerable
    over a dialup at 28.8. And the available fonts are very limited;
    they seem to be pretty well suited for a monitor running at
    1280x1024; less so at 1024x768 or lower.

    re: .7
    
    You can run the PATHWORKS 32 setup program and select just the bits you
    want - in your case you can delesect everything and get just the
    required dll's. Then you run the PowerTerm setup, and can use it over
    W95/NT's native TCP/IP.  The only visible sign of PATHWORKS 32 on your
    PC is it's event logger.  Total elapsed time for installation should be
    less than 5 minutes.
    
    I would certainly hope that there would be a kit available on a site
    server or somesuch local to you shortly after it begins shipping in a
    few weeks.  If not, "the whole Pathworks [sic] kit" is farily small to
    pull across the net.
    
    -Steven
    

    Hi,
       I have just moved from a ALL-In-ONE account to Microsoft Exchange
    account, I am on a NT ver4.0 my question is how I can still access
    my Digital Notes files as well a vtx.
    
    
        Ken....

RE: .12

	Get a terminal emulator. Telnet into your VMS system.

RE: .11

	Thanks.. Sounds good. Hopefully someone will post something when
	the final kit is available.

								mike

re .12
There are alternatives to the terminal emulation solution: you can 
get TeamLinks which includes a Notes and VTX Windows client. See 
ABBOTT::TEAMLINKS_WINDOWS for kits and stuff. Be aware they're all 
16-bit apps unfortunately.

You'll probably need DECnet too because many VTX servers (and quite a 
bit of Notes servers) don't support TCP/IP even though the software 
allows it. Since you're on NT 4.0 you'd need PATHWORKS 32, currently 
in field test, see JAMIN::PATHWORKS32

Another (IMHO better) solution for Notes is NetNotes, a native 32-bit 
(Intel or Alpha) notes client. See ISVHUB::NETNOTES.

My personal choice is NetNotes (used to enter this note) and terminal 
emulation (PowerTerm) for VTX.

	Vincent

Instead of the 16-bit Teamlinks applications (though the Teamlinks stuff is
great !) you can try to keep one VMS account to access VTX, Notes et al. and
display their windows on your workstation with eXcursion. 

I've been using this setup frequently (in fact, this reply is entered via
eXcursion and the Motif interface of Notes) as I boot my workstation with
OpenVMS or Windows NT depending on actual needs. So I still have my my
'database' (mail, Notes, Calendar etc.) on our OpenVMS cluster and can use it
even if my workstation happens to run WinNT. eXcursion also allows me to us the
graphical interfaces of TIMA, CANASTA and other fine stuff.

Hans.

	eXcursion just to run a terminal emulator? That's like getting
	an 18 wheel truck to go to the dump. Yea, it works, but really,
	do you need ALL that?

	Get either VTstar (vt320e) or PowerTerm if all you need is
	to telnet into your VMS system.

								mike

    re .16
    
    Agree (see the p.p.s in reply .10 for eXcursion caveat emptors) --
    I've got eXcursion installed on my work PC for access to things like
    Bookreader when necessary, but for terminal emulation I use either
    VT320e or Procomm Plus (the latter being a commercial product with
    more features). Telnet is much more responsive than X for terminal
    emulation.

.16: eXcursion just to run a terminal emulator? 

NO !
.15: Instead of the 16-bit Teamlinks applications ...

When my workstation runs WinNT, I have both eXcursion and VTstar (and KEA!, just
for comparison...) active. Most terminal connections are made through VTstar.

Hans.

  I tried using eXcursion to Telnet to my VMS account from a Win95 PC. It
works much better than DOS Telnet, but I still have some issues:

1. I would like to be able to log out and keep the window open so that I
can quickly log in again without having to restart eXcursion, which takes
time. Is this possible? I would like to make the VMS session go away, not just 
"hide" it, because there is a shortage of lines going into our cluster and I 
don't want to tie up a channel when it's idle.

2. It appears that I can't type ">" or "<". The problem is that eXcursion maps
VT3xx keys to the PC keyboard, which is great except that these two keys are
lost. Is there some sort of trickery I can use to get these characters?
(Remapping the entire keyboard to PC keys, typing a character, and remapping
back to VT keys is not a workable solution.) I type these chars often, so if
I don't have them, eXcursion is useless to me.

3. For Notes, eXcursion defaults to the Motif UI, which I don't like. Is it
possible to get Notes to run in the standard UI?

>1. I would like to be able to log out and keep the window open so that I
>can quickly log in again without having to restart eXcursion, which takes
>time. Is this possible? I would like to make the VMS session go away, not just 
>"hide" it, because there is a shortage of lines going into our cluster and I 
>don't want to tie up a channel when it's idle.
    
    What lines/channels (i.e. resources) are you talking about? Assuming
    you're not dialing in from your home PC, but are on-site using LAN
    connections, the only resources you'd be occupying by leaving the
    session active would be a TCP/IP connection and the VMS login
    process.
    
    In any event, you can certainly leave the eXcursion server running
    and log out of the DECterm session. That will take down the DECterm
    window. You can create a new one from the eXcursion control panel
    (or by right-clicking the eXcursion icon and going to the
    application list); how long this takes depends on how long it takes
    to spawn the job on your VMS host and connect back to the PC; for me
    it takes 10-15 seconds (a bit long, so if I'm using a DECterm
    session I leave it running).
    
>2. It appears that I can't type ">" or "<". The problem is that eXcursion maps
>VT3xx keys to the PC keyboard, which is great except that these two keys are
>lost. Is there some sort of trickery I can use to get these characters?
    
    Check Options...Keyboard in your DECterm window, and look for the
    "Comma Key Sends..." radio buttons.

    1. no way I can see of to leave an 'IP session open. it drops when I
    log out.
    
    2. I just looked in eXcursion control panel: keyboard, and I am
    running:
    
    Primary Mapping: US English
    Allow Client Keyboard Remapping Requests
    Keyboard model: Enhanced 101/102
    Key mapping style: Digital
    Alt Key Passthrough: both Alt Keys
    
    and I can >>>>> and <<<<<< on Unix and VMS hosts until the cows come
    home....
    
    check your settings, and don't forget to try (depending on host):
    
    $stty dec $stty vt100
    or
    $set term/dev=vt200 or $set term/dev=vt100
    
    I'm sure other more sophisticated eXcursion users will have more
    elegant answers... 
    
    .bp

In your DECterm window, type NOTES/NODECW to run notes with the
character-cell interface.

Dave

  Thanks for your help.
  The reason why I'm concerned about keeping a VMS session going all the time
(other than security) is that we periodically get "Max number of users 
exceeded" when we try to log into the cluster. I had assumed that this is the
sum of incoming LAT and Telnet (TCP/IP) sessions. If it is the sum of LAT
sessions only, then I suppose it becomes a non-issue.
  I have found another problem: When I try to run ELF, VTX, or Livewire, the
process hangs. Can I fix this?

  VTX works now. I don't know what I did to make it work.

Re: .4
>    But best of all (imho) is eXcursion! you "$creat/terminal/detach" on
>    the VMS system, and up pops a nice X-terminal window with (my favourite
>    bit) a scroll bar! Of _all_ the things I miss about most other T/Es is
>    the lack of a scroll bar.

Then I hope you'll like PowerTerm's scroll bar features: it allows you to 
scroll using Ctrl+Up +Down +PgUp +Pgdn +Home +End, not just the mouse.

Slobodan

    re: eXcursion and such
    
    "max number of users" is the total of all interactive user processes on
    the VMS machine, whether they are telnet, LAT, direct (ttnn:), set
    host, or what ever. The grand total.
    
    as for 'logging out' and 'logging in' - as a SysMgr - I would rather
    see a dozen 'swapped out' idle user processes, than have that same
    dozen users logging in and out every hour or so. Loggining in to a VMS
    box is 'expensive' on resources, even in these resource rich days.
    
    just my opinion, of course ;')
    
    H

    also, MANY of these eXcursion questions (<>, Notes, etc) are covered in
    depth over in  NOTED::EXCURSION