Conference pasta::flex

    I should point out that i only take the BETAGEN on workout days and 
    2 tab's of HMB every day. Also, after 6 weeks i will again load the 
    PHOSPHAGEN HP for 5 day's. Pro shakes are also taken only on workout
    day's. mon-tues and thur-fri.
    
    updates will be every friday.
    
    good luck to me!!!!
    
    
    
    bill

going for that lamborghini, bill?  sounds like a logical supplimentation; got 
some extra money so i can see if it works for me? 8^).  gues you got your tax 
refund, huh?

good luck with the cycle, don't know what to say about the pump, but a couple of
articles in MM2K point out that one would experience more of a pump/cell 
voluminizing effect with phophagain HB than with HMB, however, HMB would prolly 
provide longer lasting effects.

maybe you're getting too much HMB at the beginning of your program? 
supplimenting V2G with the 'cycle' just might help to enhance the pump (and vit 
C before and after exercise, according to some fitness gurus) per MM2K 
reccomendations.

good luck! and mo' power to you for those EARLY morn workouts!

reg.

p.s. FYI (brian and other early bird lifters, too): read some stuff over the 
years and most recent data suggests that early morning (esp w/in 3 hrs of 
waking) may actually be counterproductive to building muscle.

    Good Luck Bill!! I am doing the salts from GNC. Fair result. Just gotta
    keep at the cruel spa to make results. 

    
    	Re: -1
    
    	Please explain what is meant by doing the "salts" from GNC
    	Was this a typo?
    
    	Wayne

    Wayne,
    You are at a DISTINCT disadvantage if you don't have an official Rauh
    Decoder Ring ; )
    Sarah

    Well it's been two week's since i last wrote. not much to tell, have
    added another 10-lbs to my bench press and will most likely go up on 
    everything else next week.
    
    I have made up my mind to join the BALLY'S fitness center down the 
    street from my house, as I can not get the results I want from my home
    gym. Plus my body has become somewhat use to my workout that I need to 
    shock it in order to get these results. 
    
    I did make one change with the sup's, I stopped taking the HMB because
    the BETAGEN has the same amount of HMB in it, so I can save it for
    the end of the cycle.
    
    
    
    bill

	I'm psyched, I picked up the 90 serving BETAGEN for $70, as compared to
$97.99 at GNC. My buddies gym sold it to him for that price.


						Rich..... 

    well i've decided not to join BALLY'S, it was'nt worthe the money.
    for now ill stick with my home gym.
    have added more wt to just about everything. more rep's also.
    things are looking good so far.
    
    almost out of BETAGEN, next week should do it. will load at the end of
    the week.
    
    
    bill

m&f has a little article refuting the claims of eas and hmb; let the next phase 
of nut supp wars begin.

reg.

Interesting.  Latest issue of MM2K lists at least a couple of studies that will
be presented, which seem to confirm that HMB promotes LBM.  One study to be
presented at a symposium in New Orleans in April says that women will see
increased LBM and fat loss using HMB.  Heck, it even helps horses with greater
endurance.

--Scott

the m&f article stated that the info supplied in the findings was misleading and
contradictive.  it stated that the control was stonger to begin with and the end
results showed everyone coming out nearly as strong as their counterparts in the
study.

it also questioned the fact that hmb has been shown to limit muscle damage and 
it's a weel known fact that muscle damage is required for growth.

it didn't argue with the fact that it may help to promote endurance as in it's 
predecssors (alpha luecine ? and KIC) but they argue the increases in strength 
for the 'relatively weaker' subjects to equal that of the stronger control group
by use of hmb alone over such a short period of time.

some very valid points at which our 'friend' bill phillips will be sure to fire 
back on with validation as he's not one to let the dweebs pull the wool over 
anyone's eyes.

reg.

    Another (2)wks have gone by and things have greatly improved.
    I have gone to lighter wt's and higher rep's (so as to shock my
    muscle's) and have seen much improvement. I will continue this for
    another (2)wk's and then go back to my normal routine.
    Although i have not lost much fat, the cut's are beginning to show.
    At the end of the month I will increase the aerobic's and see how that
    work's. All in all I do believe the product's do what they say they do,
    and is money well spent.(For me, anyway)
    
    will keep you posted........
    
    
    bill

lamborghini, lamborghini, lamborghini.... i wish you the best of luck! and job
well done on your efforts!  i was going to use some of my tax return to buy some
supp's, but alas- we owe bigtime this year. :'{

reg.

    I must say, things have gone much better than I expected.
    I have another (3) weeks to go and am looking forward to some time off.
    My energy level is so high right now, you'd think I was on speed.
    
    I am sticking with the workout I talked about 2 weeks ago.
    low wt's with high rep's, this seems to be working just fine.
    
    Ive dropped my bench press down to 190lbs for 4 x 15 this is from
    260 for 5 x 6 with a 1 rep max of 300.
    
    Before starting the cycle I was pressing 220 for 4-5 x 6-8.
    I would say that is quite an improvement in only 2 month's.
    
    When starting out, going heavy seems to be the key. then dropping
    the wt for awhile, then going heavy again. 
    
    I have read those HMB studies and I can only say, for me it is working.
    As with any sup's, different people will get different result's.
    
    The only thing I dont like about my result's is the lack of fat loss.
    but, im really not going for that at this time. 	It would be nice
    to to lose a couple of inches off the mid -section.
    
    will let you know the full result's in 3 week's.
    
    
    bill