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    Bill
    
    If your still looking for a protien suppliment, Let me tell you I
    finally found a protein bar that actually Gasp   TASTES GOOD!!!!
    
    As shocking as this might sound SportsPharama just introduced a bar
    called PROMAX Bar.  It taste like a chocolate peanut butter bar.  You
    can eat this without gagging.  Amazing 280 cal 5 .G fat 36 G carb  20 G
    protien.  The fat content is high though but I think it must be the
    peanut butter.  It also has 28 G sugar!  Thats why it tastes so good.
    
    I mean its not as good for you as a Designer Shake, but for a protien
    bar it is edible.
    
    Brian

    Brian (all),
    
    Try out Infinity2's E.N.E.R.G.Y Bar.  It has a chocolate-coconut taste
    and is the best tasting health bar I have found.
    
    From the bar's wrapper:
    
    Nutrition Facts:
    Serving Size  	2 oz.
    Calories		180
    Fat Calories	10
    
    Total Fat		1g	Total Carb.	33g
    Saturated Fat	1g	Fiber		3g
    Cholest.		0mg	Sugars
    M.C.T.s		5000	  (Fructose)	18g
    Sodium		49mg	Protein		9g
    
    % Daily Values (DV):
    Vitamin A	15%	Vitamin B12	20%
    Vitamin C	60%	Vitamin D	10%
    Calcium	15%	Magnesium Chelate  25%
    Iron	10%	Phosphorous	25%
    Vitamin B	75%	Selenium	10mg
    Vitamin B6	15%	Chromium Chelate 25mg
    
    Ingredients:
    High performance Carbohydrate Complex (consisting of crystalline
    fructose from barley, corn and organic honey), Superior Energy Complex
    (consisting of Coconut and Medium Chain Triglycerides), Fructose, Milk
    Chocolate, Pure Egg White Albumen, Raw Almonds, Lecithin, Natural
    Vitamins-Minerals (Amino Acid Chelate), Electrolyte Complex, Natural
    Flavorings, our special blend of Digestive Enzymes.

    thanks for the info on the bar's guy's. but remember, i cant eat
    chocolate. this is why i am looking for a high protein shake or
    something i can mix with a meal. i think i will go with the designer
    protein for meals, and stay with the mega mass 2000 for a shake...
    
    
    
    
    thanks again.
    
    
    bill

    Why can't you eat chocolate?
    
    Infinity also has a product/program called Proteabolic.  Check 'em out
    at http://www.infinity2.com/.
    
    -Andy

    gee, could it be an allergic reaction?
    
    just the smell of it makes me ill.
    
    valentines day, easter & halloween are my worst enemies.
    
    
    
    bill

bill, you're so very cursed! it's horrible, i tell you, horrible! i don't know 
what i would do without chocolate! (other than prolly lose a few lbs, but then 
life with be just that much less fun and rewarding).

there are quite a few mixed berry fruity type flavored products on the market 
right now that don't taste all that bad, just most are too sweet for me; 
chocolate is just about the only sweet that i can tollerate in extremely large 
quantities: curse those candy bar manf for coming ou twith the 'king size' bars!

reg.

    Eccept for a teaspoon of sugar in my tea, i dont eat sweets.
    even jelly/jam. i cant take sugar, never was into sweets, even as a
    kid.
    
    thanks for the help.
    
    bill

    the curse of the waiste line... chocolate!! I even took the Nic into a
    candy shop in Bedford, that place that looks like an Alphs retake. And
    she was buying some stuff, and I could not resist much more of that!!
    Drool! Drool! Drool... munch!
    
    The funny on the candy that we use during the holidays is that Eva,
    gets the stuff hand over bag. And I sneek into her bags, and throw the
    stuff out little by little! Halloween candy, dump it little every
    night! Easter..... whelp... someplace after the chocolate rabbit...:)
    
    Worse is this guy who sits next to me has a drawer full of candy bars,
    and there is a small line of folks padding thru his office looking for
    snacks. The temtation is great!! Resist! REPENT!! HELL FIRES AND
    CHOCOLATE BARS!!:) DEMON rum!! Wow... get carried away don't I...:)
    
    

    Ok I started a note in the Ihat it when string but feel this is more
    appropriate here.  As you know I have been having trouble increasing my
    caloric intake.  I read in a M&D magazine (I read it twice to be sure I
    didn't misread the article).  That you need to have 4 grams of protien
    per 1 lb of body weight to increase mass.  That is an absolutely
    incredible amount of protien.  How does one do that?  I eat 5 meals a
    day, that means each one has to have a min of 144 grams of protien. 
    That means my diet has to jump up to 4800 calories!  Even if I
    suppliment shakes how can I achieve this ratio?  I mean a designer
    shake is 17 g protien, 2.5 g carb, 1 g fat for a total of 90 cal.  I
    would have to drink 3 of those things a meal and add more protien to my
    normal diet?  This information can't be right?  I remember Bill Oulette
    was on a similar diet years ago, but anyone else use this much protien? 
    if so how do you do it?  This basically means I need to add 1000 cals
    more per day and all that basically needs to be protien.
    
    Brian
    

	Four grams of protein per pound of body weight? That's crazy, I hear a
lot of the experts say 2 grams per lean pound of body weight but never four.
Protein is toxic to the liver in massive amounts and I consider four grams per
Lb pretty massive.One of my good friends is on this months M&F cover, he weighs
like 275 ripped and his protein intake is 475 grams per day and he's a pro. His
only job is to eat, sleep, and lift, so he can do this. My advice is to try to
eat 2 grams per lean Lb and to throw away that magazine. Still, since you don't
like protein drinks I think even 2 grams per lb is going to be very hard to
ingest.


						Rich......

    There is a lot of evidence of protein spill in the urine when taking in
    too much.  Do you have a reasonable doctor who can help you here? Maybe
    experiment with the gr. of protein until you reach the saturation
    point? It would take weekly urinalysis, but if your HMO or whatever has
    a sports medicine group you might be able to weasle into a study of
    some sort.  Teaching hospitals might help, too. Please do some MEDICAL
    research, not just BB research, before you risk your liver and kidneys.
    Sarah

As I recall (and I may recall incorrectly); there are some litmus type "sticks"
(the little paper strip things) that can be used to detect protein in the urine;
no need to be a urinalysis.

--Scott

didn't we have this discussion once before? 

too much protein can really mess up the body, if one doesn't assimilate it very 
well.  i read an article a long time ago stating nearly the same things and the 
editor(s) as well as other nutritional professionals advised against consuming 
that much protein unless one is of the rarest of the genetic gifted that can use
all that protein on a daily basis.

i believe the medical community, bb'ers, wl'ers, fitness enthusiasts of all 
types that are looking to put on muscle have all come to agreements that the 
reccomended dose is far too low and that 1.5 - 2.5 gm protein per lb bodyweight 
is more than enough to do the job one is looking for.

i think thta's too much for anyone to do for extended periods of time, anyway.

reg.

p.s. rich - new issue coming out of M&F? i wonder if he'll be on my subscription
or the newstand issue? anyone else notice that?: a  lot of mags have different 
covers for subscriptions vs newsstands?

    Hey Reg
    
    Who cares if we had this discussion before, I mean it's not like this
    file is filled daily with a kajillion topics 8^).  Besides if the
    discussion was had, I could not find it because I did a bunch of
    different searches and anything that far back should be considered
    outdated.
    
    I didn't say I was going to do this diet, I just couldn't figuire out
    how one does it.  I mean there are only 3.4 grams of protien in an egg
    white.  You would have to eat 42 egg whites to consume enough protein
    in one meal to make the 144 grams I would have to take each meal.  
    Please I have a hard enough time eating 10 in the morning.
    
    So even if I look at the 2 grams of protien per 1 lb of body weight
    your talking 72 grams of protien per meal.  I can't do even that! 
    Thats still 21 egg whites for breakfast or 10 egg whites plus at least
    two protien shakes, gag....
    
    So how do you pack on the necessary protien without killing yourself,
    anyone got an suggestions?
    
    brian

oh, now i wasn't being snide (i signed it reg, didn't i?); i just meant that we 
bantered about with this before and (the part i forgot to add) we didn't come to
much of a conclusion then either. 8^)  that person must do nothing all day but 
sleep, eat, and lift [obviously sponsored to allow that type of luxurious 
lifestyle]; i'm sure it includes a lot of drinks and a lot of eggs [i think the 
article i read yrs back stated something like 2 dz eggs/day!!!!], anything 
concentrated as i don't know how anyone could spend that much time eating and 
exercising enough to keep in shape and growing muscle at the same time.

talk about good genes!

ogr...reg.

    
>    So how do you pack on the necessary protien without killing yourself?

	    I guess most of us can't.

	Reg,
		His name is Jay Cutler, he's from my home town of Sterling. He
was on last months subscription cover, and he's on this month's newstand
cover(different pictures). I noticed they run two covers too, he told me he was
on last months cover, so I went to the store to find he wasn't, then my buddy, a
subscriber came over with the same issue with him on the cover. More exposure
for different BB'rs I guess.


							Rich....

Cutler? why is that name so familiar? was there a noter in here with that 
surname? hmmm....

so, Rich, i take it this is a 'local' bb'er? if so, way cool to be on a major 
pub's cover!

reg.

    
    
    Jay Cutler isn't local anymore. He's been in plenty of magazines over
    the past 2-3 years, beginning when he was about 17 or 18.

	He's still pretty much local, he went out to Venice, wasn't for him.
Lives in West Boylston now. He's 23 and didn't really get into bb'ing until he
was 18, so no magazine covers back then. He has in the last year been on all the
big ones, I even saw a picture of him in MM2K. I was talking to him a few weeks
ago, he just got his pro card by winning a major amature show. He's still really
down to earth, hasn't let all the quick success go to his head, he's a real good
guy. 

						Rich....