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| 1040.1 | Digital and Microsoft Alliance?? | flask2.reo.dec.com::rasmodem47.reo.dec.com::MCMICHAEL | A Cunning Plan... | Tue Apr 29 1997 11:01 | 16 | 
|  | Doug,
I wouldn't hold your breath.  I discovered a fairly major bug (you can't 
log on) in Exchange V5.0 and Outlook 97.  This currently prevents my 
ExchangeLink tool and TeamLinks V3.0 from using these products.  I reported 
it to Microsoft about two months before the Exchange V5.0 launch and 
they've still not responded.
I wouldn't fancy your chances much with a "cosmetic" change if they can't 
even fix the infrastructure!  It's nice to have an enterprise computing 
alliance!!
Ian.
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| 1040.2 |  | AXEL::FOLEY | http://axel.zko.dec.com | Tue Apr 29 1997 18:39 | 6 | 
|  | 
	Two months prior to launch of Exchange, the only thing
	getting fixed was serious showstopper bugs.
							mike
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| 1040.3 | hello, who's in charge? | STARCH::HAGERMAN | Flames to /dev/null | Tue Apr 29 1997 20:55 | 19 | 
|  |     Yes, but, if we're at least in theory a showcase for large
    exchange installations, I would think that we would have a feedback
    mechanism (presumably set up by the people who set up the
    changeover) so we could get "real live feedback from a big
    installation" back to them. I'm not asking for an immediate
    fix, although it would be nice, I'm wondering whether there is
    a link from Digital to Microsoft for this specific product.
    
    If not, where's the beef in the claim that we get something out of
    all this? I am trying very hard not to be cynical, but it would
    be a lot easier if somebody who had some responsibility for all
    this would enter a note saying "you can send comments to xxx and
    they will be forwarded to Microsoft as a part of the official
    Digital large-system trial".
    
    Otherwise it's just us individuals against MS, which doesn't sound
    hopeful...
    
    Doug.
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| 1040.4 | Still a *huge* TeamLinks fan! | flask2.reo.dec.com::rasmodem24.reo.dec.com::MCMICHAEL | A Cunning Plan... | Wed Apr 30 1997 09:59 | 16 | 
|  | Re: .2
I consider not being able to log on from a 16-bit application a show 
stopper!  Also, I reported the problem as soon as they made the code 
available to me.  What's the point of releasing it if they don't want to 
know what's wrong with it?
Re: .3
Couldn't agree more!  Do you have the influence to do anything about it?  
I've discovered that I certainly haven't!
Ian.
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| 1040.5 |  | AXEL::FOLEY | http://axel.zko.dec.com | Wed Apr 30 1997 14:55 | 20 | 
|  | RE: .4
	The release schedule for 5.0 was a mess. As soon as the
	first RC went out, all changes/fixes were pretty frozen.
	A true showstopper would be if the Win95/Winnt client
	didn't work. Microsoft isn't much interested in 16-bit
	apps so that probably doesn't constitute "showstopper"
	status for them, especially if the V4.0 16-bit client works.
	(assuming here that it does)
	Believe me, there were ALOT of beta testers p.o.'d at the
	Exchange group for not releasing an RC2 kit and not putting
	in some of the bug fixes they wanted. Microsoft was on a 
	mission with 5.0 to get it out the door asap.
	These are all my opinions, gleamed from what little I know
	of the workings of the Exchange group. (having met many
	of them)
							mike
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