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| 4637.1 | | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Fri May 10 1991 11:55 | 15 |
| Is Chelsea spayed? If she is not, and she just finished weaning
kittens, she could be reacting territorily to Bailey, who is also not
spayed. This kind of thing happens in my house all the time, since I
have whole females running around. It seems to be a natural course of
breeding for us. That is one reason why I separate queens with kittens
from the rest of the household.
Does the kitten live with you too (the one that belongs to your
daughter)? If so, that might make it worse.
Spaying all the girls would probably help, and so would giving them
time. I have found that spayed cats are less "serious" about their
threats to each other than whole cats.
Jo
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| 4637.2 | Thanks | EXIT26::CATALANO | This is HELL, REALITY comes later | Fri May 10 1991 13:45 | 13 |
| No, Chelsea isn't spayed. She will be in time. The kitten lives with
my daughter so thats not the problem.
I have tryed wiping them all down with the towel, then rubbing it on
Chelsea, I have tryed holding each of them together and tryed to show
the other isn't going to eat her up. Nothing is working so far. And
as I said, I don't want either one of them hurt. And I don't want to
see either of them change their loving nature.
Thanks for the help tho. Maybe when Bailey is fixed it will change, I
sure hope so, I know she does too.
HC
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| 4637.3 | *HOW LONG IS TOO LONG....* | AIMHI::OFFEN | | Fri May 10 1991 14:27 | 15 |
| I'm having the same problem with Lightning and Patches, both spayed
females. It has been going on for 17 months. I've tried the water
bottle treatment, the loud *NO*, and anything else I could think of.
I really understand what you are going through. Lightning is and will
always be #1. Patches is a stray we took in. She is a very loving
cat. I am determined to *wait this one out*. Lightning accepted
Deja and Thunder because they were babies, but Patches was an adult
when I brought her in.
If anyone has an answer or solution, I'll also be glad to try it....
Sandi and the Storm Troopers
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| 4637.4 | | ISLNDS::GASKELL | | Fri May 10 1991 15:18 | 22 |
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The cats could also be responding, in part, to how you react when
they fight, (like the child that annoys its parents for the attention).
I have seen Tigger walk up and down in front of the sleeping Chuckie
until the Chuckster wakes up and attacks him (Tigger). And they
aren't playing either, it's quite vicious. Instead of taking sides
I now give them both a squirt with the water bottle and don't comfort
either cat. I've had some initial success--they both ate on the
kitched floor this weekend without fur flying. It's only been 10 months!
Miss Moppet, on the other hand, let the Chuckster know that "Moppet
don't play that" and he mostly does what she tells him to, but she's
a female--Tigger's another male although both neutered.
It's traumatic, but hang in there it usually takes a little time,
but worth it. Just tell them that YOU say who stays and who does
not, not them.
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| 4637.5 | | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Fri May 10 1991 20:26 | 26 |
| I think that .4 has a point. I have a household full of whole cats,
female and males, and have added every combination to the mix. I don't
have that much problem with the adjustments, just a few days of
hissing, but nothing major. When someone hisses or swats, I either
ignore it and let them work it out, or I squirt all those involved.
I do not comfort any of them after a spat.
Also, one thing I learned early on is to never force cats on each
other. When I had my first two cats (ever), I did that and they never
got along. I would often hold them both at the same time, forcing them
to be face to face, inches apart. It was too much, and I didn't know
not to do it. Let them each have their own space, and let them work it
out. My first two cats *never* adjusted, and after 4 years I finally
decided that the best thing to do was to find a new home for one of
them. I also picked up a book by Carole Wilbourn that had a chapter on
introducing cats, and have used her methods since then.
Also, you have to give them time. And I mean time, like at the very
least 6 months. I introduced Kaisha, a 3 year old whole Birman female,
to our household and it was good six months before she felt safe and
wouldn't hiss at everyone else. She wasn't aggressive to the others,
she just felt threatened all the time and acted defensively. She is
doing great now, it has been a year and 3 months and she acts like she
has always lived in our house with these other cats.
Jo
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| 4637.6 | stress | KAOFS::J_GREGOIRE | | Sat May 11 1991 03:24 | 54 |
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Well since we are talking about introducing new cat,let me tell you
about my introduction of my little Aby to my old Siamese.When I found
out that I was going to get my baby Abyssinian I started to worry about
how hard it was going to be for a while for my Siamese to get use to it
so for two weeks I kept tell Sebastian that he better like his little
brother.so the night the breeder brought me my baby Aby I brought
Sebastian over to a friend so i would feel more relax while I was
talking to the breeder asking him question and getting my papers,I
could tell that he was a little bit nervous about leaving the two
months old Aby with me knowing that I owned 12 lbs Siamese so when he
left I decided to spend a little bit of time with my new baby that i
named Pharoh so after a while I went to get Sebastian,when i putted him
on the floor he when to see the new cat I was tense & watching every
mouvement ready to rescue my new cat,I don't have to tell you that
there is a huge difference between the two of them,anyway Sebastian
got close to that little baby but Pharoh was afraid and started to arch
his back and started hissing at that huge cat in front of him WELL
guest who got scared that's right it was "Sebastian" who ran away.The
second day they were sleeping together on the sofa and the day after
that Sebastian was cleaning pharoh, and he's not even jalous by the new
cat this is so bizzare I never thought that Sebastian was going to
mother the baby this is so cute and I am glad that I won't have to
worry about all the problems that comes with introducing new cat to an
old one.
I understand what you are going trought it is terrible to see your love
one not getting along.I think that some cat just don't like some cat it
must have something to do with chemistry some can learn to like other
and some just don't.Before I got this baby I tried to have another cat
3 years ago and just did not work out so i had to give the kitten away,
and now i got that little Abyssinian and things are doind just find it
is strange but cats are like humans sometime and meet some other cat
that they just don't like at all, if you know what i mean by that,it
happen with us also just think about a person that you cannot stand and
just think about putting that person to live with you for the rest of
your life sure! that some of us would get use to it but i'm sure that
some of us would not get use to it , so it is the same with cats.'
that's why sometime you haveto find another home for one of them.
After a while if you see that it's not working don't torture you're
self you have to make a decision at one point .
self
Jean...
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| 4637.7 | could use some help | EXIT26::CATALANO | This is HELL, REALITY comes later | Fri Jun 21 1991 13:19 | 8 |
| HI
I have a question and I hope someone can help me with an answer.
Can a cat be pregnant and the vet not be able to tell? Its about 21
days since she was in heat and she was with a male the whole week.
Thanks
Helena
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| 4637.8 | | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Fri Jun 21 1991 13:25 | 15 |
| Yes, if it has only been 21 days since the day of the first breeding,
then it could be too soon for the vet to tell if she is pregnant. Wait
until day 28 from the first day of mating and have him check her
palpate her again.
At about day 21, you may notice her nipples "pinking up". Normally, a
cats nipples are the same color as the rest of the skin on her tummy,
whitish. When they are pregnant, the color of the nipples turns very
pink. But this doesn't occur until *about* the 21st day.
Could be that your cat didn't conceive until later during the week that
she was with the male. So, it may be a few more days before any signs
are apparent.
Jo
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| 4637.9 | | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Fri Jun 21 1991 13:26 | 5 |
| Just noticed that you were counting 21 days from her heat. You have to
count 21 days from the day the first breeding took place. When she
came into heat wouldn't matter. It is when she was bred that matters.
Jo
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| 4637.10 | | EXIT26::CATALANO | This is HELL, REALITY comes later | Fri Jun 21 1991 13:33 | 12 |
| Ok, lets see, she came into heat May 30th, he came down May 31st. I
was away and my daughter put them both downstairs alone. She said she
heard crys and such but never went downstairs to see if anything
happen. :-(
When I came home, they were all lovey to each other, kissing, cleaning,
laying with each other. But that ALL I saw, they were together
downstairs another two or three days. Soooo, I'm not sure either.
This would be her second litter, he has never been mated. I was hoping
tho, I'm going to have alot of people mad at me..... :-)
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| 4637.11 | the people can wait til she's ready | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Fri Jun 21 1991 14:30 | 13 |
| I bred a girl on June 3rd and she is showing signs of pregnancy
already, but this is her fourth litter.
Your girl would between 21-29 days today depending on what day of
togetherness she was actually bred and conceived. The vet should
be able to palpate kittens right now, unless there were too many
and they were too big to distinguish. But, he should at least have
been able to tell that she was pregnant.
Do you know how to tell if she is pregnant by reading her behavior.
That might be a possibility since this is not her first litter.
Jo
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| 4637.12 | missed, I guess | EXIT26::CATALANO | This is HELL, REALITY comes later | Tue Jun 25 1991 08:49 | 11 |
| Hi,
Sorry I didn't get back, I wasn't in yesterday. I thank you all for
your help, I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens.
As far as seeing how she acts when she is pregnant, I wasn't around for
the first one, she was givin to me later. I'm almost sure she isn't
tho, as you said the vet should have been able to tell and he felt
nothing. Soooo, I guess we just wait it out.
Helena
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