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| 4220.1 | Shel should see the vet - sounds like a flea allergy | CUPMK::TRACHMAN | EmacX Exotics * 264-8298 | Tue Dec 04 1990 12:15 | 12 | 
|  |     Sounds like a flea allergy.  I would reccomend bathing her once or
    twice a week, and then a visit to your vet - she may need a steriod
    to counteract the allergic reaction from the bites, which are forming
    scabs.  You might also consider spraying your house thoroughly
    with a carpet spray, and vacuum EVERY day.  Comb your cat every
    day also.  Fleas are nasty,and difficult to get rid of. Doing
    just one thing, like spraying, isn't enough.  You will need to
    treat the animal, the house, and the carpets, and vacuum.
    
    Good luck,
    
    E.T.
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| 4220.2 |  | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Tue Dec 04 1990 15:50 | 5 | 
|  |     If she is spayed, then male cats shouldn't be interested enough in her
    to be biting her on the back of the neck.  They like to practice on the
    real thing.
    
    Jo
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| 4220.3 | Try garlic | SUBURB::HARWOODJ | Judy Harwood - RDL - 899 5879 | Wed Dec 05 1990 12:12 | 5 | 
|  |     If it is an allergy to fleas, then you could try giving her
    garlic tablets.  This has worked a treat for our 3/4 year old
    kit-cat.  She rarely gets bothered by fleas now, and on those
    rare occasions when one dares take a bite, she doesn't show 
    any adverse reactions.
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| 4220.4 | n | BUNDLE::WHITE |  | Fri Dec 07 1990 12:52 | 8 | 
|  |     
    re: 4220.2
    
    My Mother's cat Susie has been spayed for years and that doesn't stop
    the constant reoccurance of male followers.  Susie often has bites on
    the back of her neck. 
    
    ....Cheryl
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| 4220.5 |  | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Fri Dec 07 1990 13:20 | 10 | 
|  |     As they say...
    
    
    your mileage may vary.
    
    
    ;^)
    
    
    Jo
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| 4220.6 | Spayed females have no desire for sex | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Fri Dec 07 1990 13:24 | 10 | 
|  |     But seriously folks, male cats tell female cats by scent.  A male cat,
    no matter how horny, shouldn't be trying to breed a spayed female 
    because the smells aren't right.  If this is happening to your mother's
    poor cat, then the vet might not have done a thorough job on the
    spay.  That can happen.  If your female cat is being harrassed like
    that then you might check into it.  I am sure that she isn't too crazy
    about these "attempted rapes."
    
    
    Jo
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| 4220.7 | Anybody got an answer??? | SANFAN::FOSSATJU |  | Fri Dec 07 1990 19:46 | 31 | 
|  |     This spayed female/male harrassment subject has been driving me crazy
    for the longest time.  I have one female and two males all of which
    have been spayed and nutered.  A complete job was done on the female
    but it's the boy's I'm wondering about - even though I know that all
    their stuff was removed as well.  My husband and I were present for two
    of the operations and I saw it with my own eyes - yep - they got it
    all.
    
    Both of the boys, at separate times, start out like they're playing with
    her and then then proceed to mount her and "assume the position" biting
    her on the back of the neck - and at times she's managed to take off
    with Stitch or Gino on her back - like a bucking bronco.  She hisses,
    spits, growls, swats at them (they both have had some scratches on
    their noses) and takes off to a high place to get away from them. 
    This can happen at any time - sometimes in the middle of the night I
    hear things sliding off the dining room table as she's running to get
    away from one of the "horney" little brats.  The water bottle doesn't
    do it, raising my voice while seperating them (no-no-no) has no effect
    - I just manage to get in between and rescue her from the non-existant
    big event - like she really gives a da*n.
    
    Can some one please explain why nutered males will go after a spayed
    female like this.  I can just imagine that it's got to put some kind of
    stress on her?  Friends think it's funny to watch these antics,
    especially if one of them gets on her and then forgets what it is he's
    supposed to be doing and walks away shaking his head.  I think the poor
    little lady has had enough!!
    
    ?????????????????
    
          Giudi
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| 4220.8 | hormonal imbalance? | BTOVT::MUNROE_R | LET'S GET BUSY! | Mon Dec 10 1990 12:35 | 5 | 
|  |     re .7)
    I think it could be some type of hormonal imbalance.  About 10 years
    ago, I caught our female (spayed) dog trying to mount our female
    (spayed) cat.  They were both about 3 years old at the time.
    --Becca
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| 4220.9 | hmmmmm, interesting... | FORTSC::WILDE | illegal possession of a GNU | Mon Dec 10 1990 13:05 | 17 | 
|  | re: .7, .8
given that hormones are the basis for the sexual behavior of all animal
species, I believe it is on target to credit this behavior to hormones.
Now, I have two sexually mature, spayed, females, and two neutered males
and have never seen this form of play -- however, my boys were both
neutered at 6 months of age - before they were ever exposed to any
incentive to be sexual.  They have been kept indoors-only from birth
and were never exposed to whole females other then their mom.
If your males were neutered after they had begun to be sexual, or if
they are exposed to sexual influence from other cats in the area, perhaps
whole females going into heat nearby, that may be triggering this
response of theirs.
I would suggest that you discuss hormone therapy for the males - something
to suppress their sexual play...you are right, I think, this is certainly
stressful to your female and should be treated.
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| 4220.10 |  | SANFAN::FOSSATJU |  | Mon Dec 10 1990 13:59 | 17 | 
|  |     re.9
    
    Well, here's the kicker.  Pippin managed to slip into one heat at the
    age of 6-1/2 months - she was spayed shortly after - Gino at the time
    was 4 months old (now he's a Siamese) and while she was in heat he
    tried to to the deed.  He managed to mount her but kept falling off!
    (this was a true sight to behold).  Question - do you think this bit of
    sexual activity at the age of 4 months could have caused a lasting
    Impression on him?  
    
    So she got spayed at 45-1/2 months and he got
    nutered 3 months later (6 months).  Stitch has never been around a
    whole female and none of the cats go out beyond the front stoop when we
    collect mail or the paper - so maybe it is run-away hormones.  Stitch
    is going in to the Vet this January for his yearly check up and I am
    definitely going to pin Dr. Scott down - last time I brought it up he
    just kind of shook his head - maybe he didn't think I was serious
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| 4220.11 |  | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Mon Dec 10 1990 14:12 | 11 | 
|  |     I think that this is an act of aggression and has nothing to do with
    sexuality.  The males in your house are trying to dominate her.  I 
    agree that the hormone therapy will help, but only because it will 
    curb the aggressive tendencies of the males.  
    
    The reason that they do nothing once they get on her back is that this
    isn't a sexual problem.  Just getting on her back is a display of
    dominance.  Check with your vet about the hormone therapy.  Your poor
    female will thank you.  :^)
    
    Jo
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| 4220.12 |  | SANFAN::FOSSATJU |  | Mon Dec 10 1990 14:14 | 11 | 
|  |     re:10 - oops - sorry - something happened during my reply - and that
    shouldn't have read 45 months
    
    Anyway - I am going to pin the Dr. down and see what he has to say
    about this.  Yes, I believe it is stressful - the poor little thing
    will let me pick her up after one of these bouts and let me carry her
    off to safe place burying her head in my arm pit on the way.
    
    Giudi
    
    Mother to two over sexed nutered males
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| 4220.13 |  | CRUISE::NDC | Putiput Scottish Folds DTN:297-2313 | Tue Dec 11 1990 07:42 | 12 | 
|  |     This seems like a good place to interject this...  Last night I
    caught Dundee spraying!!!!!!!  This is the same cat that was nursing
    kittens a few months ago.  He seems perfectly fine, but boy am I
    confused.  ;-)
    
    Seriously tho, the kittens are about 5.5 months old now and I think
    Angel is in a mild heat.  This is probably what's stimulating the
    behavior (Dundee has been neutered since he was 9 months old).
    I'll be calling the vet about ovaban this morning.  I'm going to
    try and maintain him on the lowest possible doseage.
      N
    
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| 4220.14 | Flea bites... | PARITY::HOWELL |  | Tue Dec 11 1990 09:37 | 17 | 
|  |     Hello again,
    
    The cat went to the Vet and she is allergic to flea bites.  We have
    some flea spray for the floor, chair, etc. and flea spray for the
    cat.  Cat is to be held by the scruff of the neck and pump sprayed
    until she is thoroughly wet, keeping this out of her face and eyes.
    The house is to be vacumed before spraying.  After this the little
    scabs should go away.
    
    There is a new cat in the neighborhood, don't know if it is male or
    female.  This could account for the pucture wound in the neck.  We
    have seen no more of this kind of wound on our female cat.
    
    Thank you everyone,
    
    Barbara
    
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| 4220.15 |  | WR2FOR::CORDESBRO_JO | set home/cat_max=infinity | Tue Dec 11 1990 13:07 | 6 | 
|  |     The wound on the back of the neck could be from her scatching there.
    I am glad that the problem is just fleas.  You should be able to
    control that without too much trouble now that winter is here.  Can be
    much more difficult to handle in the summer.  
    
    Jo
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