Conference misery::feline_v1

    Technically, I believe, CFA is the largest and most international Cat 
    Association.  In order to register a cat or kitten in CFA, both
    the parents must be CFA registered and the kitten must be litter
    registered by the breeder (owner of the mother).  This is done to
    protect the breeder from selling a cat without papers only to have
    the new owner "register" the cat and future kittens anyway.  Only
    the breeder can make the decision as to whether a particular kitten
    is  to be registered or not.  
    
    CFF is a much smaller association, concentrated mostly in the
    Northeastern and Midwest areas.  CFF will register your kitten if
    you have a valid CFA registration with a three generation pedigree.
     
    I believe the process is similar for other associations.
    
    Your kitties breeder must register her in CFA, but in order to do
    that, your kitties mother must be registered.
    
    As far as CFA or CFF being better, it depends on what your looking
    for.  CFA Cat Shows usually have better quality cats on the whole
    than other associations.  Although, there are not alot of CFA shows
    within driving distance for me from Mass.  A Grand Championship
    in CFA is probably worth  more than a Grand in any other association.
    
    I enjoy showing CFF more though, because I find the people friendlier.
    I can get to more CFF shows easily because they tend to be concentrated
    in the Northeastern Area.  
    
    What are some of the other major differences between CFA and CFF
    that others have noticed?  
    
    I show in both associations, I prefer CFF, but will usually show
    CFA if there are two shows in conflict.
    
    cin
    
    

    Let me see if I've got this straight.  If a cat is registered in
    CFF you can only show in CFF.  But if its registered in CFA you
    can show in any Association.  My Sheena's Sire was registered in
    CFA, but her Dam was CFF.  She is registered in CFF, being that
    most show around here are CFF (as you said) I shouldn't have a problem.
    
    Thank you Cin!
    
    Corine

    To register CFF or ask for information the address & phone number:
    
    Cat Fancier's Federation, Inc.
    Office of the Recorder
    9509 Montgomery Road
    Cincinnati, Ohio  45242
    
    Don't forget folks, that you can register your HOUSEHOLD PETS in
    CFF -  they will be Parade of Perfection scored for the year in
    CFF - CFA does not do that.
    
    

    I also understand that starting with the new show season May 1 that
    CFF registered Household Pets will compete for Companionships, Grand
    Companionships and Master Grand Companionships.  
    
    Right, Elaine???
    
    Purrs
    cin
    

    Righty on, Cin.  Only we will have to keep track of the scores
    ourselves - CFF isn't going to let us know when our cats move
    from Companion, to Grand Companion, and on to Master Grand
    Companion.  We household pet folk are really getting quite
    competitive - this ought to be really interesting to see
    which of our cats get Granded first!! Whew, ought to be
    quite the season for HHPs next year!  My friend 
    wrote this proposal and CFF passed it!  Makes me want to
    take Yurii out again to MGC him!  Hmmmm..  
    
    Also, keep in mind folks, that the National CFF awards
    banquet is being held this July 2 in conjunction with the
    CFF International Cat Show at the Park Plaza Castle - same
    place as last year - not sure, banquet may be open to the
    public - if you come to the cat show on Sunday, you can
    see which of our cats made Top Ten Nationally for the year or
    Top Twenty - I'm sure if any of us make it, we will have the
    rosette hanging on our cages!  
    
           E.T.

    Is CFF going to confirm the Companionships, Grands and Masters???
    Or is it going to be an honor system???  I would think that CFF
    would have to keep track in some way or another.
    
    Championships, Grands and Masters for the Pedigree Class also have
    to be kept track of by the owner.  CFF will let you know if your
    cat has Granded or Master Granded, but there is no specified time
    period for them doing this. So, if you don't keep track, and CFF
    doesn't tell you, you could be showing a Master Grand as a Grand
    for a long time!!!
    
    Is this confusing???
    
    cin
    

  
    
    Ok cin, you're getting me even more confused.  I hope that someone
    is going to be there at the show where I first show Silver as a
    Cat instead of a kitten.  I am not going to know what I am doing
    and I am going to need LOTS of help.  How do I find out what points
    my cat got?
    
    Holly
    

    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this.  Silver's first show as a cat
    instead of a kitten is on April 23.  The day after her 8 mo. birthday.
    
    
    Holly
    

    Yes, they will confirm - we have to send info in and in return
    we get a ribbon of some type - I'll dig around and see if I
    can find the complete info - am really busy both work and 
    home - getting ready for Plymouth, MA.  The last 4 shows
    of the season are very close together - 3-26, 4-10, 4-16,
    and 4-23/24 - two are overnighters, ugh!
    
    CFF has a computer so things should improve very soon!
    
    E.T.

    re: .2 and showing/registering in CFA and/or CFF
    
    I am only familiar with registering CFA cats/kittens in CFF, so
    don't count on the reverse registration having the same rules.
    [RULES!  Each association has different rules.  And if that isn't
    bad enough, each class (e.g., kitten, cat, household pet) are
    all different also!  AAAAAAAAAAAArrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhh!]
    
    You MUST have a CFF registration number to show an adult cat in
    a CFF cat class competition (not necessary for kittens).  However,
    if your cat's parents have CFA registration numbers, then if you
    send in a CFF registration form with the parents', grand-parents',
    etc. CFA registration numbers, breed, color, name, etc. and a
    check for about $6, you WILL get back a CFF registration for your
    cat.  note:  your hand might get cramped before you finish the
    forms.  I had to do several cats at the same time :-(
    
    Is any of this clear???
    				Penelope

Sorry this is late, but I don't read FELINE much anymore.

Every registry has its own rules, but most of the major U.S. cat registries
have a cross registration program.  That is, if both parents are registered in
one, another registry will accept that pedegree as proof of ancestry.  However,
there is a catch. 

If the cattery of the parents (damsel) is registered in an association, then 
the litter MUST have been registered for the kitten to be registered in that 
association.
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As far as CFF vs. CFA.  This is largely opinion.  I do not agree that better 
cats are shown in CFA, just different ones.  This largely depends on breed and 
color class, but in general for every "better" cat in CFA I'll show you what I
*think* is a "better" cat in CFF. 

I chose to be more active in CFF > 10 years ago and this had nothing to do with 
the cats -- It had to do with people and politics.  Enough said on this because 
I do not wish to start an argument.

I must say, however, that in recent years the same problems that plagued CFA 
appear to be showing up in CFF and this is a shame.  Most of these problems are 
only visible if one is active in the fancy on the national or regional level.
Like everything else in the world, all can be traced to human power trips.

If you chose to show locally only, then the choice of organization is 
irrelevent and comes down to location and acquaintances.

    I show mostly CFA, and have recently found that CFA will not transfer
    a registration from another association.  One of the reasons being
    that other associations only require a three generation pedigree
    for registration, where CFA requires a five generation pedigree.

    I also show some TICA and have found in my particular breed that
    the quality of the cats is better (in my opinion) in CFA.  I also
    feel that no matter which association you show in, there will be some
    degree of politics, like it or not.  We do not have CFF here on
    the west coast (I have never heard of a CFF show here) so maybe
    it is different.  I do like what they have done for the household
    pets.  I got started by showing my household pets and still do 
    ocassionaly bring them out to a show.
    
    Jo

    Hi Jo, I was wondering if you can help me with a question?
    I have been hearing through the kitty vine that CFA is now
    registering HHPs - if that is true, are they also P.O.P.
    scoring them for the season?  
          
    I have to say that CFF does give us (HHP folk) a fun season!
    Some here in the northeast say that HHP exhibitors are more
    competitive than the exhibitors in the championship classes.
    I can't imagine "why" they would say that!!!!
    In this area, the entries for HHPs in a CFA show run only
    about 10 to 15 cats, where at a CFF show we sometimes have
    30 to 40+ per show.  The new business of Companion Cat,
    Granding and Master Grand Companion Cat has been FUN!  When
    your cat Grands or Master Grands, you receive a framing certificate
    and a large rosette.  With 20+ CFF shows a season, it's expensive
    to show more than one association (if you go to all the shows) !!
    Do you show in the northeast at all?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Elaine                              

    Hi Elaine,
    
    Sorry it took so long to answer (only 200 unseen notes to go!!!).
    
    CFA does not register Household pets, but our region does score
    them for regional awards.  I am not sure if this is just our region
    or if other CFA regions do the same.  The HHP class at CFA shows
    out here averages about 20 cats.
    
    TICA is pretty prevalent out here.  They register HHP's and recognize
    titles for them.  (Master, Master Grand, Double Master Grand, Triple
    Master Grand, Quad Master Grand, and the ultimate... Supreme Master
    Grand)  They compete with the same rules that the purebreds do with
    the exception of no written standard.  They compete in color classes
    and earn points in the same manner as the PB's.  One of my cats,
    Mysinhs Chantilly Lace, was 5th Best Household Pet Kitten in our
    region.  TICA seperates the kittens from the adults just like they
    do with PB's.
    
    Household pets out here are also scored by the Happy Household Pet
    Cat Club.  Some of my cats have placed in the past.  I can't remember
    what year or what place tho.
    
    Household pet exhibitors out here *are* more competitive than the
    Purebred exhibitors.  Just ask any judge!  They will tell you.
    
    You sound like you may be the east coast version of our Tricia Huisman.
    She has quite a few cats (only her hairdresser knows for sure) and
    all of them are wonderful, beautiful, loving little show stoppers!
    She had a cat at the National Morris award competition last year,
    Her Royal Highness, Lydianna, Duchess of Padwell.
    
    Talk to you soon,
    
    Jo

    Thanks, Jo.  Gee, I had just heard that CFA was registering HHPs.
    Hmm.  Thanks very much for the info - if you hear any more on
    the subject, will ya let me know?  I guess I'm like the only
    lady that lived in the shoe that had so many kids she didn't
    know what to do - at least I have figured out what to do -
    The Inn is full, etc.
    
    Thanks very much,
    
    Elaine

    Well Jo, I called CFA regarding registering Household Pets.  Their
    response to my question, "Does CFA register Household Pets?", was
    "CFA will register them (take your money) but there is nothing
    to be accomplished by doing so.  The reason they encourage folks
    to register Household Pets is to encourage them to alter their
    Household Pets.  If they have an altered cat, they would for a
    small sum receive a certificate (registration) saying that their
    cat is registered."
    
    I asked if there were any past, present, or future plans to
    P.O.P. score Household Pets within CFA, and the answer was NO.
    The CFA Office was unaware of any such plans.
    
    Guess that answers my question.  Guess I (anyone showing HHPs) should
    be a lot more appreciative of CFF and all that they do for HHP
    exhibitors!!
    
    E.T.