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| 1004.1 |  | SIMUL8::RAVAN | I got my facts blurrin' | Mon Jan 04 1988 08:54 | 15 | 
|  |     I think you're already a candidate for the "Saint Francis" award;
    you've given a tormented kitten eleven happy years that he wouldn't
    have had.
    
    As for the decision - it is a tough one, and only you can make it.
    My opinion would be that as long as *all* of you are leading happy,
    fulfilled lives, keep on as you are; but if it gets to the point
    where keeping Blackie comfortable is draining the energy from everyone
    else, it might be kinder to let him go instead of working yourself
    to desperation.
    In any event, someone who cares for animals as much as you must
    will certainly do the right thing.
    -b
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| 1004.2 | Bless you | 32096::BURLEW | Purr is my favorite sound! | Mon Jan 04 1988 12:01 | 7 | 
|  |     Bless you for taking Blackie from the shelter and for loving him
    enough to care for him now.  I'd keep on caring for him unless he
    seems to be in pain or unhappy.  But, as .1 said, only you can make
    the decision.
    
    
    Ande, Sherlock and Serena's mom
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| 1004.3 | The "right" thing | RATTLE::LANDRY |  | Mon Jan 04 1988 12:16 | 21 | 
|  |     You must be on heck of a person to have given so much (and still
    are) to that poor baby.
    
    My opinion (like everybody else said, it's your decision) I would
    put the little sweetie down.  I own 2 beautiful babies, and I have
    certain "rules".  If one should ever not be able to
    eat, take care of bodily functions, or is in pain, I have made up
    my mind that I would put my kitty out of its misery, even tho it
    will kill me. 
    
    You say that Blackie purrs, etc, but a vet once told me, an animal
    can take alot of pain before you even know it is hurting.  So even
    tho Blackie seems to be happy, maybe he/she is putting up with the
    pain because he/she doesn't want to let you down.  Don't we wish
    they could talk??
    
    Well, you are going to need all the support you can get, and I hope
    that you can find it in your heart to do the "right" thing.  So
    far, you did a wonderful job, so I am sure the decision you make
    will be the "right" thing.  My prayers are with you.
    
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| 1004.4 |  | AIMHI::UPTON |  | Mon Jan 04 1988 13:48 | 18 | 
|  |     
    
    	I think what you have done in the past and are doing today are
    admirable.  The only question I would ask myself in this situation
    is - does Blackie still have quality of life.  If he is in a
    separate room without the other cats and you for hours, is he
    really happy?  As far as purring goes - cats who have been hurt
    badly and in terrible pain will purr.  It does not mean they are
    content and happy.  We too had to make a decision with our 16 yr.
    old male - it was painful and we still miss me, but he wouldn't
    have lived a good life the way he was.  Only you can make the
    decision, but really soul search that what you are doing is the
    best for Blackie and not that you hate to let him go.  Remember,
    if you love me - let him go.
    
    	Our thoughts are with you...
    
    	
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| 1004.5 |  | AIMHI::UPTON |  | Mon Jan 04 1988 13:49 | 8 | 
|  |     
    
    	re 1004.4
    
    	Sorry slip of the fingers - should have wrote:
    
    	If you love HIM - let him go.
    
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| 1004.6 |  | VAXWRK::DUDLEY |  | Mon Jan 04 1988 14:44 | 25 | 
|  | Hi Martha!   I'm sorry to hear about Blackie, he is such a sweetie.  How
	soon after your relocation to Europe did this begin?  I'm just
        wondering if the stress of the move was the instigator?  How do
        you determine mental incompetence anyway, beyond symptoms?  Are
        there any scientific means?   How does the vet know that Blackie's
        incontinence is due to mental, as opposed to physical, deteriora-
        tion?
        If you were still living in Stow, I would be happy to cat-sit for
        Blackie and pick up after him, after all, it would only be a little
        worse than what he used to do when you went away. (-:
        I think that if you really think that Blackie is still happy and
        enjoying his life, you should continue with what you are doing until
        you feel the time has come when you can no longer continue.  You will
        know when that time arrives, just as I believe you will know, if or 
	when the time arrives, when Blackie is no longer happy with this
        arrangement.  Either way, I know it's futile to say you should not
        feel guilty whatever the decision, it seems inevitable for those who 
        go the furthest 'above and beyond the call of duty' (as would most of
        the members of this conference).  Try to be consoled with the know-
        ledge that you have done and will do what is best for Blackie.
Best Wishes,
Donna
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| 1004.7 | FEELINGS | AIMHI::OFFEN |  | Mon Jan 04 1988 14:57 | 7 | 
|  |     I understand the dilemma you are in and the feelings that must be
    tearing you apart.  You are ONE HECK OF A LADY.  Blackie has had
    eleven beautiful years with you.  You WILL make the right decision,
    whichever it is. 
    
    Sandi
    
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| 1004.8 |  | BUSY::MAXMIS11 | Serendipity 'R' us | Mon Jan 04 1988 15:57 | 8 | 
|  |     
    If you listen to the kitty, he will tell you when the time comes.
    My Missy was over twenty years old when she said "Mom, it's time".
    I went thru a similar heart tug of war for some time before she
    told me.  Then my course became clear.  That's how I know that I
    was not a minute too early or late.
    
    Marion
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| 1004.9 | I'm serious about this | VAXWRK::SKALTSIS | Deb | Mon Jan 04 1988 16:34 | 9 | 
|  |     Martha,
    
    There was an article in one of the cat magazines several years ago
    about a breeder in NY whose shouse was furnished with antiques and
    persian rugs. She diapered the cats. Honest.
    
    If Blackie is otherwise OK, why not give it a try?
    
    Deb
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| 1004.10 |  | SHIRE::CEHRS |  | Tue Jan 05 1988 07:11 | 11 | 
|  |     .9
    Deb,
    I cannot try to put diapers on Blackie. He only has partial control
    over his hindlegs (which means his walk is very wobbly and keeping
    the equilibrium is sometimes hard for him) and this would definitely
    impair the little control he has. Besides, all our chinese carpets
    and a great deal of our furniture (sofas, armchairs, etc.) have
    already taken a real beating from his "behaviour" before he was
    confined to one room. Thanks anyhow.
    Martha
    
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| 1004.11 | You're doing great! | CYGNUS::KENNEY |  | Tue Jan 05 1988 09:42 | 14 | 
|  |     Martha,
    
    My feeling is that you are a wonderful owner and have found an
    acceptable solution to your problem.  As long as Blackie is happy,
    I would just continue what you are doing.  If he gets along well
    with your other cat, perhaps you could leave them both in the room
    together and Blackie will have more company than your visits.
    
    Perhaps another area of the house would be less of a problem to
    keep clean -- like a bathroom, perhaps, with Blackie's bed and toys.
    
    Good luck.
    
    Elizabeth
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| 1004.12 | You're doing fine | 31093::WASH | Enjoying the experience | Thu Jan 14 1988 03:39 | 16 | 
|  |     Hi Martha.
    Sounds to me like you're doing the "right thing" already - in other
    words, I echo the votes already cast in this topic. I tend to agree
    with Marion's reply (.8), listen to and observe Blackie, he will
    give you better advice than we could. It may seem bizarre to the
    non-pet owner, but we all know that our pets can communicate to
    us in a language inherent in our relationship to them. You have
    grown attached to Blackie and can "read" his responses, I think
    you will know if/when it's time to let him go.
    
    Until such a time, enjoy the company and companionship that he
    offers - if it becomes a burden to sustain his life, then consider
    the alternatives. Sounds to me like Blackie has lived a fruitful
    existence in your care, so be content with all your future decisions
    regarding him.
                                  Marvin
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