Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    I Think The Old_Farts Should get A Little More Respect in Here.
    
    
       Crazy_Classic_Al

    I'm tired of all these Colorado jerks puttin' everyone down.
    -ss(in cognito)

    
    	All you CXO people, please take a look at note 1.* ... even
    	though I didn't write it, I agree with everything that was
    	said there.
    
    	And you might want to take a look at 2.*, which I believe I
    	DID write ... so you can be quite sure I agree with every-
    	thing that was said in THAT note.
    

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    	Please read (and heed) these rules:
    
	...
    
	2)  Etiquette

    	...
    
            Also, derogatory remarks about bands/performers/etc. are
            not welcome unless they're backed by legitimate reasons
            and/or facts.  An example is "XXX sucks!!"
    

         Okay, okay, I'm sorry. I did get way out of line. In the future,
    I'll try to keep my disagreements on a more intellectual level. 

    I always give reasons why bands suck.
    -ss

    
    	Oops, sorry ... unfair generalization when I said "CXO people".
    
    	I should have said "The people to whom this is relevant".
    

Most of my Mystic Powers replies are a direct violation of Rule #2...  Oops.

        It would have been still more appropriate if you would have said
    "The people who do not belong to the SLABOUNTY fan club". You can go
    ahead and kick me out of this conference - my noting quota is up and
    I'm leaving. I need to get some work done anyway. 

He'll be back...  I bet a dollar.

         Okay, you win. I don't know which is worse - working or hanging
    out in this lame conference. I know it goes against conference policy,
    but I have to say this sucks. IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    

    
    	Let's be a bit fair here, Ed.  I neither said NOR hinted at
    	anything even remotely similar to that.  The rules were writ-
    	ten long ago, and have been in place for about 8 years now,
    	without any complaints regarding their content.  So if all of
    	the participants before you could follow them [or at least
    	acknowledge their existence], there's no reason that you should
    	be any different.
    
    	You have to admit that coming in here at 9:30AM, after leav-
    	ing here at 6:30PM, to almost 100 replies, 90% of which are
    	completely content-free, is a bit much, yes?  I would LOVE to
    	come in here at 9:30AM and see 100 replies DISCUSSING* new
    	bands, and new releases by old bands, and concert appearances
    	by old and new bands, etc., etc.  What I DON'T want to see is
    	3-4 people going back and forth with "They suck", "Yup", "Al-
    	ways did", "Always will" for 20 replies at a time.  This ac-
    	complishes absolutely nothing except for a waste of CPU cycles
    	and bandwidth.
    
    
    	* DISCUSSING should include some sort of content, maybe list-
    	  ing plusses and minuses of a band/song/album.
    

    
    	RE: .11
    
    	You see, Ed, a situation can "suck", and you can tell us about
    	it, without violating conference policy.  But non-music-related
    	stuff like that can be put in note 99.
    

zzzZZZZ

Please send my dollar to 

HLO2-2/B10

Thanks in advance.

Tim

    
    e_walker
    
    what a nasty little boy you are!Does your mummy know you're out?
    
    
    						ian

    Just to remind everyone, KDX200 lives in *my* office at CXO3 (yeah,
    right up the hill from CXO1).  This means I share *my* workstations 
    resources with my fellow music lovers.
    
    ...and part (a very small part) of my responsibility is for the content 
    of files stored on said vaxstation and it's compliance with corporate 
    policy.
    
    I'll give you folks a little history:
    
    Shawn didn't mean to generalize about CXO.  However, towards the end of
    nearly every fiscal year, the manufacturing management teams at CXO1+2
    put on a big push to meet the numbers.  If you've been around DEC for
    a while, it's all quite normal.  
    
    However, it seems, there are always a few folks from the manufacturing
    and assembly lines in CXO who come in to this conference and stir up the 
    sh*t.  Last year they all lived on COMET until Quantum came along and 
    bought the DDM business. 
    
    As a matter of fact, a couple contractors from CXO met their fate one 
    day last year, when they went a little too far in this very conference.  
    They got escorted to the door...Not so much for what they said here, but 
    for the investigation that proceeded after they mouthed off and drew 
    attention to the probably content of their directores...  Needless to
    say, it wasn't work related - sex drugs and rock-n-roll: EXCELLENT
    reading!
    
    Now, I don't LIKE to play hard ball (wagagaga) with anyone, but suffice 
    it to say that I know everyone down at CXO...and have the ability to make 
    life hell for systems users...and not only to run my NET_LINK_KILLER.COM
    (which would clobber DECNET object-to-object communication requests)...
    
    ...Ever heard of ACL's and ACE's?? (that's Access Control List and
    Access Control Entries)?  Gawd, I *love* this stuff!! 
    I It's REALLY cool, see... they allow privileged users and system managers 
    (like me) to revoke access to any system object with a simple command.  I 
    find it very useful for keeping finance weenies out of the engineering 
    databases and vice-versa...But I digress...Sorry.
    
    Anyway...
    
    Ed, if work sucks so much perhaps you can have a talk with Terry and 
    see if he can't find something else for you to do...??  I know Terry,
    pretty well, dude, and he's always looking out for the interests of his
    employees.
                                
    Just trying to help.
                                                                           
    jc (Host/mod/VMS-bit-slinger)

         Blacklisted again! Well, there goes HEAVY_METAL. Although you do
    have to admit that I really got people noting in here. So long!
    

    Tim - Does this mean I owe you a buck?
    :-)
    

    $10 says he'll still read this conference.  And I bet if we taunted him
    enough he'd start writing again.  He says this conference sucks.  But
    it's exactly what he's looking for.  He thrives on telling people with
    different opinions other than his that they suck and that everything
    they like sucks.  He is driven to trying to fluster people.  He's
    probably nothing like his notes if you ever met him.  He's probably a
    nice guy.  He probably just has an alter ego when he is safe behing a
    computer terminal where he can tell everyone else how much they suck.
    
    Shane, who is just guessing
    

You mean - like prc?  Prc was a (very) reasonable person in real life.  In
notes, well, dir/author=cook ought to help out here.

Oh that's right  He deleted all his good notes so we couldn't collect them and
go to personnel.

Tim

    
    It's called being "terminally brave"...But Cook WAS the king...
    
    There are also terminally beautiful women...Check out the article
    in this months playboy on cybersex (it's funny as HELL!)...

    
    BTW - Cook HAD to be reasonable in person, else someone woulda
    kicked his arse in a swift and merciless manner...Several noters
    here come to mind as would be executioner... 

>    $10 says he'll still read this conference.  And I bet if we taunted him
>    enough he'd start writing again.  He says this conference sucks.  But
>    it's exactly what he's looking for....
    
    Shane,
    
    I've been noting for more years than you've been drinking beer and
    I must say, I amazed at how quickly you've caught onto noting.
    
    "This is my last note" is the NOTES-equivalent to "the check is in
    the mail".
    
    Whenever anyone says that, I immediately look for people to make this
    sucker bet with.
    
    He's reading the file, and you're right.  Eventually he's post
    something again.   I'd bet on it for sure.
    
    	db

    Now... getting back to the issues of "XXX sucks" notes.
    
    We had this problem in the old MUSIC conference and I proposed and
    implemented a solution which I think worked rather well.
    
    I frankly think that Ed and folks like him should be able to post
    "XXX sucks" notes to their hearts content.  I don't like censorship
    and I think "negative notes" (albeit more constructive ones than what
    we've seen recently) are a good thing.   I don't want to be inhibited
    from saying "Here's why I just don't like this album�".
    
    However, there is a legitimate issue in that those kind of notes can
    be either disruptive in various kind of ways or (for most people)
    just plain and thoroughly uninteresting.
    
    What the rule I instituted was that each artist could have TWO notes.
    There would be a "XXX" and an "XXX Sucks" note.
    
    Those folks who wanted to read about XXX didn't have to choose between
    next unseening over a "XXX suck fest" (a series of notes from people
    saying how much they hated XXX) and thus, potentially missing some
    non-suckfest notes or having to wade thru those notes to get to the
    content they were interested in.
    
    It allowed people who wanted to post "sucks" notes to post them and the
    only cost to folks (like most of us) who have no interest in those
    was to occassionally have to hit "next unseen" across those notes.
    
    It worked rather well, and you might wanna consider it for H_M.
    
    	db
    	former MUSIC moderator
    
    � or (just as an example) "Here's why Steve Morse is infinitely better 
      than Joe Satriani".  ;-)
    
    p.s. "Blossom" and "Quincy" SUCK!!!!!!!!   ;-)

    
    	Hmmm, I wonder who your p.s. was aimed at.  8^)
    
    	They do NOT suck ... they're 2 of the better shows that have
    	ever existed.
    

    
    	And BTW, I have no problem with someone telling us WHY a band
    	sucks ... but a constant stream of "XXX sucks" replies is of
    	absolutely no value to anyone and is only good for a waste of
    	disk space.
    
    	Whether the constructive criticism is done in the same note
    	or a different note really doesn't matter to me, but the key
    	word here is constructive.
    

    
    
    Hey, i've got an idea if someone thinks something sux they can put in
    those upper -<sux dail XXX-XXXX>- and if anybody wants to know why they
    can call and find out....     %^)
    
    
    
    								Dawg~~~~

    
    
    Oh , by the way I won't hear the phone because i've got my headphones
    on 11.............    B^)
    
    							Dawg~~~~

    Shawn,
    
    I'm sorry, but I gotta disagree.
    
    >>absolutely no value to anyone and is only good for a waste of disk
    space.
    
    It's all a waste of disk space.  Is there a shortage now?  
    Besides,  being a fan of heavy metal I must say that there are times
    when a person may feel they don't like a song or band for whatever
    reason that may not be explainable. Sometimes when I hear a song it
    just grabs me & I love it. Other times I may hear a song that
    really, unexplicibally, sucks.  With the type of music I like, I'm sure
    I hear more $%it about how sucky my music is than any of the bands in
    here(except ABBA).  Is it so much to be able to express the same? I
    don't think so. Lighten up and use that comma key over there to the
    right of the keyboard.
    -ss

    He can't do that, he's a moderator.  He must read every single entry
    for content.

    Agreed. Noting is all about expressing and hearing opinions. If I like
    a band and you don`t, tell me it sux-I don`t care. I am comfortable
    with my own opinions and I don`t mind hearing anybody elses. Some
    people in this conference obviously can`t stand to hear other opinions.
    If you people want people to agree with everything you like, you need
    to talk to yourself in the mirror.

    
    	You're both right, in a way.  There are times when you don't
    	like a song but don't know how to explain it, so it suffices
    	to say "it sucks".  That's fine, but the problem occurs when
    	you start doing it all the time in several/many topics.  What
    	value does that add?  Do we really need a run-down of every
    	song that you think sucks?  I know I don't, and I think I
    	speak for most people in here at the same time.
    
    	I'm sure that I'VE given a simple "it sucks" answer from time
    	to time, in here or otherwise, when I couldn't explain why I
    	didn't like a song.  But you can bet that over the past 8+
    	years you can count the number of times that that's happened
    	on the fingers of 1 hand and still have enough fingers left
    	over to play with yourself.  8^)
    
    	This conference serves a few purposes:
    
    	1)  What's out there
    	2)  What's coming out soon
    	3)  What do I like
    	4)  What do you like
    	5)  What don't I like
    	6)  What don't you like
    
    	Take a look at #4 and #6 for a second.  If you give people an
    	idea of what you like and don't like, and the reasons behind
    	your choices, there are actually people in here [me included]
    	who will go out of their way to
    
    	1)  Notify you/others that new stuff is coming out that you/
    	    others might like
    	2)  Review stuff that's already out that you/others might like
    
    	There are a bunch of us who have been in here from the start
    	[I created the original version of this conference back in
    	April of '88] and have a very good idea what each other likes
    	and/or doesn't like, and more importantly, WHY we like or
    	don't like it.  And it's not unusual for messages to be sent
    	back in forth [NOTES/MAIL] on a personal level informing a
    	person here or a person there that a new album is coming out
    	that that person would probably like, because [s]he likes that
    	band.  OR, a new band is on the scene and their material cont-
    	ains qualities that that person would appreciate because they
    	are similar to another band that that person likes.  Etc., etc.
    
    	So take off your coat, stick around for awhile, and see if
    	you can fine-tune your sensitivity meter ... and people WILL
    	be quite cooperative.
    

    >>enough fingers to play with yourself
    
    Nope. It's a two-handed job.
    -ss

    
    	Ummm, that orifice is intended to be an exit and not an entrance.
    

    Aahhh, I thought you said play BY yourself

    The bottom line is: It is fun to stir up sh## on the internet. We said 
    alot of those remarks just to see the reaction we would get, although
    they were our true feelings. It seems to me that these kinds of
    comments make it more interesting to read these notes. But since most
    of you think it`s childish and all, I guess you don`t think it`s
    amusing. So, I guess I could try to keep my comments on a mature level
    but I probably won`t be replying much because my musical taste if a bit
    strange.
              _and I`m sure you`all won`t miss me too much
                                                          

    No, the bottom line is:  This is NOT the internet, this is EASYNET,
    the internal Digital network.  What you enter on EASYNET is _owned_
    by Digital, and Digital is liable for it.  The entries that have
    been entered this week (mostly from THEMAX::, MFGFIN::, BSS::,) have
    shutdown conferences before.  Don't spoil the fun for everyone else
    because you think this is Usenet.  
    
    Reading 2.0 might be a good start for the uninitiated.
    
    imho,
    steve

    Save it, pal.
    

>>>    Save it, pal.
    
I think I can just reach him...

SMACK!!!

There.  That felt better.



Trust me "pal", as Coop said, people have lost jobs over similar stuff ...

Tim

    Sounds to me like you`re the one with an attitude problem buddy.
    The first time somebody makes you feel silly you want to smack `em.
    Nobody asked you, but you`re still giving you two cents worth. Aren`t
    you? You need to work on your own hostilities.

    Re: Save it, pal.
    
    Wow, real snappy retort.  I'll have to write that one down for
    future use.
    
    Hey Coop!  I'll up the ante to two bucks a piece.  8^)

    RE:  .31 and .33
    
    Now, those are the best notes you guys has entered in this conference 
    so far.  You stated opinions, you backed them with your feelings on
    the matter.
    
    My fellow noters here have a good point.  This is NOT the internet.
    The internet is not moderated, and no one is responsble for it's 
    content.  If it were the internet, I'd post a picture of my a$$ and 
    ask people to kiss it.  ;-)
    
    The difference between the Inter/Intranet and the EASYNET is that in 
    the case of this file (and GUITAR, COMMUSIC, MUSCLECARS, HOME_STUDIO
    and others I host) is that *I* am accountable for what *you* guys post.
    I wouldn't endanger my career for your lack of noting etiquette.
    
    My fellow noters here probably have two reasons for giving you grief
    about the way you note:
    
    a) They don't want to lose this conference...you might think it sucks
       but I for one have met a lot of good friends thru this medium
       (including my wife).  We love it.
    
    b) They don't want to lose their host (at least I hope they don't :-)
       Since I don't expect that John or Charlie (your system managers)
       would care to host half a million blocks of conferences for you,
       I'd hope that you'd respect the hosts wishes to chill.  I'm being 
       nice now...
    
    
    

    I'm really glad that there is a H_M conference around. :-)
    
    It's a form of stress-relief for me to read it....and personally, I
    don't mind the little injections of negativity & put-downs.
    
    I usually get quite a chuckle outta some of the things that y'all say.
    
    I do have to admit that there are a couple folks out there that DO go
    a little too far with the insults....BUT...C'est la vie....:-)
    
                                  *** Kit ***
                           

    THere's something else that Coop left out in his differentiation of
    us and the internet.
    
    The collective readership of this notesfile has a right to determine
    the content and make-up of the file.  The only rules we have to answer
    to are Digital's policies.
    
    If the vast majority of the readers don't want no-content "xxx sucks" 
    notes, the moderators are well within their rights to accomodate the 
    wishes of the readership.  It would be the same as us saying we don't
    want discussions of the US Mid-East policy.  Perfectly good topic, but
    not for THIS notesfile.
    
    If you don't like that, it doesn't mean something's wrong in here, or
    even that anything is wrong with you.  It just means that this is NOT
    the right conference for you.

    The collective readership of this notesfile has a right to determine
    the content and make-up of the file. The only rules we have to answer
    to are Digital's policies.
    
    Um, ok...
    
    If I use the search command, I can find an endless array of cuss
    words. Everything from sh** to fu**...
    
    Especially from Mr. Cook, dating back several years. I know we're
    all consenting adults, but Digital's policies are very specific
    about profanity, yes? And topic #2, it specifies the rules around
    using profanity, were those just for show?

    Why were you searching for cuss words?  

    
    	Patrick, when I see them I do delete them.  Sometimes they are
    	overlooked, and all I can say is "Oops".  You'll probably get
    	the same answer from Coop.
    
    	Do things like this actually offend you so much that you feel
    	the need to bring them up every time you happen to think of
    	them, or do you just like to be a pain in the butt?
    
    	8^)
    

    Patrick, I bet you were the biggest tattle tail in school.
    
    I sure hope you don't have internet access.

Pain in the ass

    	Thanks!
    
    	Everyone knows the old "if you don't like what you see, stop
    	lookin' at it". If anything bothered me, I'd stop lookin' at it.
    
    	Shawn, you are a better man than me any day, I could never keep
    	up with the mountainous data entry happening in this file.
    
    	My fingers are arthritic from trying to type the english language
    	let alone learning how to spell cuss words. I still can't spell
    	the seven bad words George Carlin likes the best...

    
    
    Uhh, Hey Face.. you got anything better to do than to look for
    swear words throughout DEC conferences?? 
    
    You ARE a pain in the ass! 
    
    

    Re: -1
    
    you said 'ass' !!! I'm telling !!!! nah nah nah nah !!
    
    Shane, who wanted to steal the Donkey Xing sign that I saw in Hawaii..
    it had a picture of a donkey with the XING underneath...everytime we
    saw it we would say 'hey you !! get your ass out of the road !!"
    

I didn't know donkeys could write...