Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    
    	I love this tune!!! I would like to know how the CD is!?
    	Anyone Anyone Anyone? Bueller Bueller?
    
    	Thanks 
    	SueJ

    Yeah.....  I think we all would like a full review of this!  What's the
    scoop???
    
    					G
    

I saw them a while back at Pearl Street Nightclub in Northhampton MA. I
went to the show because their last album, "Slow, Deep, and Hard" (beautiful
album cover if you get the uncensored version) had some
pretty aggressive hardcore tracks.  I was very dissappointed to find a bunch
of mellow, glam-rock posers with teased hair playing psuedo-rock to a bunch
of incredibly bored post-punk kids.  We couldn't even mosh to this self-
indulgent garbage.  If you like the new song (there is a longer version of
it on the LP), then you should check them out.  Veteran fans can look 
elsewhere.

    How long ago did you see them???  They may have changed....  But any
    guy that wears more hairspray than I do doesn't need to be viewed in
    my book......  I like the hard core types (not what I fondly refer to
    as glam pigs).....
    					G
    

A saw them early in the Spring.  I think the Northampton 
band Doom Nation opened for them.  Their songs are very
repetitive and the tempo was SSSSLLLOOOOWWWW.  I 
liked them when they were hardcore, with a more 
aggresive groove.  After 30 minutes I almost fell asleep
at the bar.  I think I left before they played their
"sell out" tune.  If you've heard a band on WAAF, then
you *know* they've sold out to corporate big-wigs. ;-)

Just found out that T.O.N. will be appearing today, 3:30 at the Leominster
Searstown Strawberries. Since i've been out of work on STD and bored out
of my mind...I may go check it out. But if its too much of a scene im
sure I'll turn around and come home. I did however pick up the latest
CD as it was on sale.....so far...its does sound slow..but I havent really
listened to it much yet.
    
    Andy

>    Since i've been out of work on STD 
    
    If I had one of those, I don't think I'd tell anyone about it...

    
    yeah dood, use a condem, everytime!

    STD = short term disability!!
    
    but doesnt indicate what my disability is!! ;-)

    >    yeah dood, use a condem, everytime!

re: 1033.6
    
    well I checked out the Strawberries scene...
and turned around and went home.....good thing I live near by!!
There was a line....not too long..but I think if I liked the
CD better and was about 10 years younger I would have
hung out.......oh well!!!

    >>    yeah dood, use a condom, everytime!

                    -< like that is going to help >-

    
    Why yes, Mike, it will help.
    
    

    damn right it will..the last thing a chap needs it to catch the
    "galloping knob rot" or something worse! =8^0
    
    
    
    
    						ian

    
    Hi,
    
    Well, I saw Black No. 1 video on eMTyV and think the guy was scary
    looking, could be a decent vampire with his cheekbone structure! :)
    
    As for the album, slow is a work for most of it, very heavy, sort of
    gothic-like with the keyboards. Does a cover of Summerbreeze! I was
    dying when I heard that one! CW is an awesome tune, but I like the
    dark "Suspended in Dusk" right before Black No. 1, and of course the
    best line of the last tune "Oh baby, Lily Munster....ain't got nothin
    on you" I liked this album so much that I went out and got Slow, Deep,
    and Hard and The origin of the feces and was surpised that the latter
    appears to be live, they do a cover of "Hey Joe" to Hey Pete, and also
    Paranoid by Black Sabbath. Now, again, these two discs appear to be
    remastered/remixed because the cover of TOOTF is not the same as the
    first one I saw of it. Also, Bloody Kisses in now selling with a VHS
    tape of Black No. 1 with it! Damn! Figures I'd already have the CD and
    now this!
    
    If you like dark, moody, slow music, that is fairly heavy, you may like
    it. If not, it may not be your cup of tea! I have a strange range of
    music I listen to, and I like the newest one. But then again, I also
    listen to the likes of "Brand X, Savatage, Dream Theatre, Helmet, Rush,
    Robin Trower, SRVaughn, George Duke, Stanley CLark (occasionally the 
    last two), Hot Tuna, etc....." NO RAP, unless you put Rollins in that
    arena, which really doesn't fit too well!
    
    Mike
    

    
    Type O Negative will be appearing in Newbury Comics on Sunday 7/16/95
    at 2:30 PM, hot off the radio this morning. I may hit there on the way
    to the show! They even said Peter is in Playgirl, what a poser eh?! Not
    that I am going to get PG mind you! They did say plenty of copies of
    their "new" CD Bloody Kisses, geesh, the thing has been out for well
    over a year (according to the stamp on the back of the CD liner....).
    May be interesting, but it is going to be hot as hell supposedly, that
    could put a crimp in it, since I'll be driving 2 hrs to get to the show
    and back again.......!
    
    (mental/metal) Mike
    

    Hey ! Good Idea... Pleae let Mr.Steele know that his interview
    in a recent mag was simply awesome! ;)
    
    SueJ

    
    SueJ,
    
    What magazine was this? I'd be interested in reading the article to see
    how he comes off on it, angry/agressive/mellow/normal, etc....I may end
    up trying to get there anyways as it is on the way to the show! I am
    getting psyched, and will be even more so by sunday!!!! I won't be like
    some in here with "Type O Negative Roolz!" as they are ok, as I said in
    an earlier note here, my musical tastes vary widely. Take this morning,
    I was listening to Slayer, then Pantera, then Type O ;-)
    
    (mental/metal) Mike
    

    
    Karen and I caught the end of these guys last night when they
    supported Queensryche and they seemed ok.Half way through the last
    song,the roadies came on stage and atarted dismantling their set.The
    band kept playing and occassionally turning 'round to see what was
    happening.At the end it was obvious they were upset but the bass player
    made a joke about it something like "we only pay these guys 'til 8pm
    and they refuse to work later".Then he tore the strings of his bass and
    the keyboard player pushed over his keyboard!I felt kinda bad for them
    but they did get quite a good reception from the crowd.
    
    					ian

    
    Why did you feel kinda bad for them? I did also, but because they
    didn't get to play long enough! It was funny when they started taking
    the stuff down while they were playing, yes, 8:00 was referenced, but
    so was $4.25/hr! ;-) They were pretty good, opened with Cinnamon Girl
    from "Suspended in Dusk" intro.....I was psyched when they started it,
    but then the CG switch came....I was bummed a bit! They only did like 6
    songs......christian woman, are you afraid, blood and fire, black No1,
    cinnamon girl, and one or two others......decent though. I'd love to
    catch them in a club though next time!
    
    Mike
    

    
     I felt bad because they didn't get to finish their set.
    
    
    						ian

    
     I felt bad because they didn't get to finish their set.
    
    
                                                    ian
    
    I thought that was part of the act since they were almost done with
    Black No. 1.....I wished they would have played another 45-60 minutes
    myself! Man, I was psyched when they opened with the intro to Suspended
    in Dusk, I REALLY wanted to see them do that and Kill you Tonight.....
    I should have gone last year when they were with Prong and White Zombie
    in Worcester. Someone told me they were here about 3 months ago in
    Boston at one of the clubs.....I didn't hear a thing about it on the
    radio either..... I hope they will be back soon! All in all, it was
    decent, even though the soundman should have been fired! His bass
    wasn't that prominent until the last song IMO. Also wish we could have
    met them at Newbury Comics, but the line was around two sides of the
    building......
    
    Mike
    

    Im sure it was part of the act !
    
    Wish I were there.... 8{
    
    SueJ

    ..i sincerely doubt that what occured at the end of their show was part
    of the act...if it was, then they're the most unprofessional band i've
    ever seen play at great woods.....IMO it wasn't an act....the roadies
    started to break down cuz they had to get out of their for Qryche to
    go on at 8:30...play their 2.5 set..and get outta their by 11pm..which
    is pretty standard at Great Woods ..as i believe the agreement with the
    neighbors is that all concerts will be done by 11pm.....p.s...through
    the binoculars ..the 'negative' boyz looked pretty pissed off...../k
    

    
    Well, even if it wasn't part of their 'act' that night, they took it in
    stride as far as I could tell, and I was in Row T in the pavilion(sp).
    He didn't sound p*ssed when he mentioned about the 'working past 8:00
    pm' bit, and $4.25/hr wages ;-)  Still, I'd have liked to see Type O
    play an additional 30-60 minutes. QR was AWESOME though, very very good
    show IMHO.
    
    Metal Mike
    

    you were behind us....while the bass player was gracious in what he
    said to the audience (never let them see you sweat, ya know)...apparently 
    you didn't see the bass player rip his strings off his bass and stomp 
    offstage.......or the keyboard player knock his stuff over and a 
    variety of other things which would indicate that they tweren't too
    happy....IMO Qryche was really good and I really like Qryche and they are 
    head and shoulders above many bands that call themselves musicians...I
    didn't think the show was AWESOME....course you  may be using that word
    the way others use the the word 'and'...which is all too often in my
    opinion....awesome should be reserved for things like a volcano 
    erupting...;") ..I've heard Tate sing better although his off night is
    miles above other peoples 'great' night..vocally speaking...also IMO..
    a show should end on a high energy note..you know..leave the people 
    charged up and wanting more...........their last 40 minutes was
    pretty much testing out the new material...which is fairly dirge like..
    ...had i been arranging the set....i would have ended with a couple of
    rockin tunes....the 'bar' thing they did..while atmospheric was kind of
    boring to us..... ian said it before.....this tour is really the geoff
    tate show...and while i think he's great.....(and with the new haircut
    he looks like christopher walken...)...i wonder how the other band
    members feel about being background for him.......i was ticked that
    they didn't play 'last time in paris'........./k
                                         

    
    
    As I said, I saw him break his strings, I also caught the aftermath of
    the keyboardist semi-trashing his keys. He broke his strings down in
    florida also. I haven't sent mail to a friend who caught them there
    with QR a few weeks or so ago, but he is a QR fan and loved the show,
    other than them not playing O:MC in its entirety. They didn't play Last
    time in Paris during their Empire tour when I saw them (first time) in
    the centrum. They should have started earlier if time was that much a
    constraint on the bands......And I still say the show was awesome in
    the respect that they put on a hell of a show compared to the last
    time I saw them, mind you I've only seen them twice (now) and this was
    much more elaborate/melodramatic than O:MC in its entirety along with
    at least half of Empire, a couple from Rage for Order and one or two
    from The Warning, I wish they would have played Queen of the  Ryche and
    The Lady wore Black, along with more older stuff off Warning. All in
    all I did enjoy the show, which is what I expected, no less from them.
    
    I really, REALLY wanted to see Type O play longer though.....as I do
    like them, they are a tad different in their lyrics :-) and he has an
    attitude towards a particular female I never found out who she was, an
    ex-girlfriend/lover/fiance probably....I'd rather see Type O in a club
    due to the limited material they do have, although they do some decent
    covers, Paranoid, Black Sabbath, Cinnamon Girl, Summer Breeze, that is
    what I got a kick out of while listening to them.
    
    QR is good, I liked Geoff with the new dew and film clips, fits right
    in along the lines of MindCrime mini movie/film. As for the band
    members taking back seat to him in the show(s), he is the frontman, and
    they do backup vocals, leads, duet leads, etc....no major bass solo,
    drum solo was ok, but I liked his double-bass Tama kit he was playing
    last I saw them, he is a very good drummer though! Anyone else catch
    the show and have their opinions?
    
    Metal Mike
    

    
    Well, I just picked up Peters first band - Carnivore, thrashy, hard
    core, speedy stuff, come to find out they only did 2 albums, of course
    a couple songs were left off this disk (Hendrix's Manic Depression,
    BUMMER!) and another one or two shortened to fit onto the CD. I thought
    it was only their second one - Retaliation, but it contains both self
    titled and the latter. After they disbanded for whatever reason Pete
    formed SubZero which later became Type "O" Negative. Now to go find
    SubZero because it appears to be all the current members of TON. I'd
    like to hear what they sounded like!
    
    The writeup in the sleeve sounds like they (Carnivore) would have been
    rather interesting to catch at a show, dressed up like post-nuclear
    warriors with furs/leather/hockey equipment/chains/whatever.....and it
    says Pete is 6' 6" tall. Big dude!
    
    Well, gotta run........
    
    mental/metal mike
    

    
    	I picked up "Bloody Kisses" last week, and have listened to it
    	1.5 times so far.  Not bad at all.
    
    	As was mentioned, it's pretty slow, but heavy.  Psychadelic Furs-
    	like vocals mated to Danzig music ... and on a couple songs, they
    	actually could have passed them off as Danzig songs.
    
    	What's the song "Loving You Is Like Loving the Dead"?  Is that
    	the name of it?  My favorite so far ... long, but good.
    

   > 	What's the song "Loving You Is Like Loving the Dead"?  Is that
   > 	the name of it?  My favorite so far ... long, but good.
    
    That's "Black #1".
    
    Excellent album.  I couldn't stop playing it for quite a while after I
    got it.  
    
    

    
    Go and get "Slow, Deep, and Hard". No news on anything new from them.
    More punkish on that one, angrier/faster stuff, but some slow stuff.
    5th song on S,D&H reminds me of sabbath sound! ;-)
    
    Mike, who thinks Peters voice/vocals are cool, and would probably scare
    shane who likes van weenie halen!!!
    
    

    
    	I listened to the album, came in here and read all the replies
    	yesterday, and said, "Wow ... I'd love to hear their cover of
    	"Summer Breeze"".  Little did I know I'd already heard it and
    	didn't even recognize it.  8^)
    

    
    You should have heard them when they did Neil Youngs "Cinnamon Girl"
    when I saw them open for Queensryche! They started off with "Suspended
    in Dusk (you GOTTA hear that tune!) which psyched me up, then went into
    CG by Neil....cool!  Suspended in Dusk is on one of two Bloody Kisses
    discs I have. I got the first one with only 9 tunes, the new re-release
    has 13, of which most are from the first release but not Suspended. It
    would have been the ULTIMATE title song for Interview with the Vampire!
    
    Mike
    

    Type O Negitive definatly has a vampire feel with thier music.  Thet do
    fuc*ing rip in concert........never thought you cvould mosh to some of
    thier stuff but I guess I was wrong!
    

    
    	"Bloody Kisses" spent almost a month in the changer in the
    	Duster, and almost every time I drove the car I played tracks
    	1-3.  They've got almost a hypnotic effect.
    

    
    Ah, You gotta crank Suspended in Dusk (if you have the disc with that
    tune on it! First release of Bloody Kisses, only 9 tracks) from their
    first release of Bloody Kisses, the second re-release has 13 tracks and
    SID is NOT on it! Also, Black No. 1 Rocks too!
    
    They were good in concert even though their soundman sucked for 2/3's
    of their set, bass wasn't really noticable but the guitarist CRANKS!
    and the guy on the keys was banging away on them too! I would have
    loved to have seen them in a club though!
    
    

    
    I gave The Orgin of the Feces a listen over the weekend (thanx Rick)
    and I was good. It's live, but it is still good.
    
    How many albums do these guys have out??
    
    Dave

    
    re: -1
    
    Type O Negative have 3 releases (4 if you count the re-release of
    Bloody Kisses)
    
    Slow, Deep, and Hard
    The Origin of the Feces (fake live album and has most of first album)
    Bloody Kisses ( 9 tracks, has unreleased Suspended in Dusk)
    Bloody Kisses (re-release with 13 tracks)
    
    Suspended in Dusk would have been AWESOME on Interview with the Vampire
    movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gotta get a listen to it if you can! I have both
    discs.
    
    They are supposed to have a new release sometime this spring/summer
    time frame.
    
    Mike (who likes peter steeles vocals)
    

    
    Thanks for the info. I'm beginning to really like this band.
    
    Dave

    
    re: -1
    
    ALRIGHT! Another convert! Now I gotta get others into listening to
    Nevermore and Amorphis!
    
    

    
    	I'm trying to do the same with Horslips ... I think I've got-
    	ten 2 people from here to like them.
    

    Add me to the convert list.........
    
    Paully
    

    
    Maybe we don't want you......

    
    
    Now, now Davey
    
    Paully can't be all that bad..............
    considering he likes Type O!!!!
    
    Oh and Paully I will remember to bring
    in the other disc you requested.
    
    Rick

    
    
    I get the distinct impression that I really like
    this band..........can't seem to remember tho'.
    Haven't heard them in awhile cause Paully still
    has my CD. (hint,hint)
    
    I'm sure ya gotta be done with by NOW!!!
    
    Rick
    

    
    Just picked up "October Rust" by TON yesterday....talk about a
    different style/progression for this band! I consider it fairly mellow
    compared to their earlier stuff, BUT...
    
    
    
    I LIKE THIS DISC so far! Tracks are as follows (with some comments)
    
    1:  Bad Ground (a joke leading into track 2)
    2:  no title, band saying thanx for buying the record, hope ya like it
    3:  Love you to death - I like it!
    4:  Be my druidess - decent tune, slower beat like #3
    5:  Green Man - another mellow tune
    6:  Red Water (Christmas Mourning)
    7:  My Girlfriends Girlfriend (radio hit no. 1 I believe)
    8:  Die with me
    9:  Burnt flowers fallen
    10: In praise of baccus
    11: Cinnamon Girl
    12: The glorious liberation of the people's technocratic republic of
    vinnland by the combined forces of the united territories of europa
    13: Wolf moon
    14: Haunted
    15: another non-title track (short) with them thanking you again,
    etc...
    
    Overall I like it, but it sure is a different direction than I thought
    they would go after the last couple releases! I give it a thumbs up.
    If you like peter's more melodical singing with some lower end
    occasionally and something most others would enjoy you may like it. I
    personally like peter's vocal style, low end, mid-range, etc...and I
    think he has a powerful voice and it shows here that he can sing rather
    well IMO.
    
    

    You will all be thrilled to know I finally ordered Bloody Kisses.
    
    8)

    
    re: .46
    
    Well...
    
    IT'S ABOUT BLOODY TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now go and order October Rust too!
    
    ;-)
    

    Yes sir, sir.  8)

    bloody kisses-reminds me of the time I......

    'PRIL.......
    
    What about your car payment young lady!!
    
    I though you were sworn off CD purchases???????
    
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    Paully 8)

    That's waaaaaaay too many form feeds.

    You
    
    really
    
    think
    
    so
    
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    8)

    Cute... ;)
    
    
    and its ok to splurge once a month.. ;)

    Paully, thanks for being my conscience.  8)
    
    Now I feel so guilty when I splurge!!  And hungry, did I mention that?? 
    8)

    I am the little guy over your shoulder! ( the red one with the horns
    and tail!) 8)
    
    Paully

    
    	April, did you get the original "Bloody Kisses" or the new
    	re-release?
    

    Don't know yet.  Stay tuned!!

    
    	The old 1 has "Suspended in Dusk", the re-release doesn't.
    

    
    	type o negative will be performing at the pavillion on
    	4/13... in portland maine... tickets are $18 and are 
    	available at strawberries.
    
    	

    I wanna know why October Rust sucks.  Can someone please tell me this?  

    
    	I don't know ... it just does.
    

    
    re: last couple
    
    It doesn't totally suck, BUT I was MIGHTY surprised with it to say the
    least! I do like "love you to death" though.
    
    

    
    	you forgot to put IMHO, because as humble as it is,
    	i don't agree with you. i don't think it's excellent
    	but i like it.... it far surpasses their attempts
    	on `slow deep and hard'.
    
    	was i too hard on him, slab?

    
    	He'll be OK, I'm sure.
    

    I'm not a "him".
    
    8P

    
    	Prove it.
    

    Make me.

    
    	Ooh, my kind of woman!!
    

    Any woman who is not a man is your kind of woman.

    
    	Go ahead, get me on a technicality.
    

>>>    Any woman who is not a man is your kind of woman.

and so is Lola...

    
    	i didn't think gender was a significant point in relation
    	to slab, just that it had orifices.
    
    	sorry, ::BARBER_A it won't happen again, although i still
    	disagree with your commentary on ton's latest.
    
    	

    Hey, no prob Super Denise! It was an honest mistake.
    
    How do you think October Rust compares to Bloody Kisses?
    
    Now for some ACTUAL commentary, besides "it sucks", "does NOT!":
    
    All the songs on OR sound the same, instead of going from punk/thrashy 
    to near pop-ish like on BK.  And they speak directly to the listener 
    which would be cool if it were more like a narrative, but it sounds
    just plain cheesy they way they do it.  They must've been high or
    something.
    
    'pril 

I heard Bloody Kisses and was highly unimpressed but for Christian Woman
and Summer Breeze,the Seals and Crofts cover. These guys brag about their
talent in the liner notes, but I think someone's been lying to them.

Good Halloween or spatter film music.

    
    	glad you didn't take it too personally, `pril. (may i call
    	you that?)
    
    	MHO of BK to OR....
    	i heard them for the first time on BK... it happened to be
    	the record of the month for columbia house, and i gave it
    	a listen. i thought they were fantastic. being one of those
    	depraved gothic-type music lovers that i am... it fitted 
    	perfectly into my listening tastes.... i then went out to
    	look for more of their stuff... and ended up with origin
    	of the feces and slow deep and hard... inasmuch as i liked
    	origin, i didn't appreciate the latter that much, too thrashy.
    	it seemed to me that they were trying to decide which path
    	to follow...thrash ... gothic. when OR came out, i was pleasantly
    	surprised they continued somewhat on the same vein as BK.
    	i love their interpretation of cinammon girl... 
    
    	if you listen to the conversation at the beginning of the
    	tape (after their `little joke') josh mentions they were high
    	when they put OR together. in interviews, (check out the web)
    	they say they create their music for the fun of it... there 
    	are no `hidden agendas'. so take it as you will...
    
    	the only bad thing i can think of to say of both, BK and OR 
    	is the wasted tape space they use to thank you for buying the
    	tape, for listening to the tape, joke, and to see us on the 
    	road. 
    
    	you did ask. 
    
    	denise

    Yes you may.
    
    Yes I did.

    Metal Heads & Drugs...get the f#ck outta here!   [^;=
    
    	You people got me all confused now.  Colombia House sent this to me
    the other day (October Rust) and I haven't opened it and don't know
    whether to keep'er or send'er back?  And I'm also unfamiliar with their
    stuff...can anyone give me a close comparison?
    
    	J

    Send 'er back.  Get Bloody Kisses instead.

    
    	I second the motion.
    

    
    	yo ::TYSICK, have you heard of nick cave and the bad seed???
    	how about morphine, leonard cohen and lou reed???
    	wrap them all up in a shake n bake bag and you get 
    	type o negative...
    
    	a little bit of all my favorite things.

    It's sad they didn't have enough sense to put down the pipe while
    trying to be productive musicians during OR.
    
    Not too impressive, IMO.

    
    Yo Jay,
    
    Seeing as how I really don't get out to buy music as much as I used to,
    if ya don't want it, I'll take Oct Rust off your hands......  Gladly
    pay ya for your troubles.
    
    Think about it man.
    
    Laters,
    

    Let the games begin!
    
    	Actually Rick, I might give it a listen to on the weekend and
    decide from there.  Chances are though, it's not down my alley.  What
    ya lookin to pay?  Cause I'm sure ya don't wanna pick up the 24$ price
    tag that CH nailed me with?  [^8=
    
    	J

    
    
    Hey J,
    
    Give'er a spin and if it ain't your style drop me a line outside of
    notes and we'll talk about it.  Chances are if I wanted to get it in my
    neck of the woods, I'd probably have to order it anywho.  My area is
    still a little conservative in it's musical tastes.  =)
    
    Laters

    
    	i saw TON at the pavillion in portland this sunday...
    	the band DRAIN opened for them, an all girl band from
    	stockholm.... thrashy, splashy...and from the guys near
    	me...dead sexy.
    
    	TON were great... they're awesome live!
    	they did LYILLTD, christian woman, black #1, MGG, snow,
    	and a few others...
    	
    	they started a bit late, and a gangsta rap group filled in.
    	(i think pete said they got there late...i think that's what
    	he said) but they made up
    	for it by adding a few more songs... we got out of there at
    	about 11:40, a good half hour plus than expected for a sunday
    	nite.
    	they were worth getting back home after 2 am.
    
    	i think they're back at the pavillion on the 17th.