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    	You mean all the ones you like so much?
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    Yeah Buck, no kidding. What about Mark Slaughter?!
    He talks like Mike Tyson, and sings like Mariah Carey at 78 rpm.

    
    He's way too whiney for my tastes.

    This note could actually have some interesting discussion if people
    would stay in the spirit of it.  I see it as being very similar to the
    "I Just Don't Get It" note in MUSIC.
    
    We will clean out unrelated replies in this note and see if people can
    stay on the topic, then if that's not the case it'll have to be
    removed.
    
    Greg (wearing his Moderator shoes)

    WTF is with Rob Halford and his shaved head and parralel tattoos?
    
     WTF is with the Scorpians where hats all the time?
                     Are they ashamed of being bald?
    WTF-is it with this new VAnilla Ice movie! ACK...YUCK!!!!!!
              "Cool As Ice"?  Movies are going  downhill.....
    
     WTF is with line "Cool ranch dressing" in that one G&R song?
    
     WTF is with Ozzy's "NO MORE TEARS"?  The lyrics don't say anything
    about abortion....Except the talking.
    
                      Frizkid
    

    
    }}  WTF is with Ozzy's "NO MORE TEARS"?  The lyrics don't say anything
    }}  about abortion....Except the talking.
    
    Abortion?  WTF?  Is THAT what this song is about??
    
    'pril (forever-confoozed...)
    

    RE-1
               It's suppose to be.....
    
                   But I just don't get it?!?
    
                            Frizkid
    

     re: .14 .......in these parts cool ranch dressing is a way of
    describing a certain male-oriented excretion.......

    Come again?

    I'd love to!

    WTF is it with POWER BALLADS?
    
    Ever since Peter Criss first warbled the words 'Beth I hear you
    calling' back in the dawn of the 70's it seems metal has been making
    ballads.  Lately it seems like its obligatory!  WTF?
    
    Does it seem like it's only the posers or is everybody doing it?  Why?

    
    I know, even Metallica has done it. Although I will admit, Mystic
    Powers has one power ballad. 

    Don't get me wrong, I like them (IF they're done right), but I could never
    understand why a musical style based on bone-crunching rhythms (don't
    we love it) would want to do ballads.
    
    

    
       UFO was another of the earliest bands to do the Heavy Ballads.
    Check out "Love to Love", if it's not on "Lights Out" then it's
    on "Obsession". 
       Now you got people buying Extreme and Warrant CD's expecting all
    the songs to be like "More than Words" or "I Saw Red" - Fooled Them!
    
    							-B()()M- 

    Even Greg House...admitted HM Ballad hater, knows the words to
    "I Saw Red"!!

    The reason:
    
       Because H_M people do some of the best damn ballads!!
    
               It also shows a sense of humanity among the fur flying. 8)
    
    
            Frizkid
    

    It's a must for any band that wants to get on the radio.
    Alice Cooper and AeroSmith stick aleast one on every one of their
    albums.They all do,except for true Death Metellers...Right Lei?
    I think it doesn't hurt and album,if it's done right.
    
                Crazy_To_many_Posuer_groups_over_do_it_Al

    A ballad shows a sense of versatality.
    
         There is no such thing as poser...There is no such thing as a
    poser.  You will wake up when I snap my fingers and relieze:
    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A POSER.
    
                        Frizkid.
    p.s. We had plenty of girl fans before we even played a ballad.
          I don't think that your giving the girl fans much credit here.
    

    re: Buck
    
>    Even Greg House...admitted HM Ballad hater, knows the words to
>    "I Saw Red"!!
    
    AAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!  AAAAAGHH!  AAAAGGH!!  {in my best Sam Kinnison
                                                 voice}
    
    re: Boom
    
    "Love To Love" was definately on the Lights Out album.  An outstanding
    song!  I never thought of it as a "power ballad" though.  That term
    just makes my skin crawl...
    
    gh

    I can't picture Priest doing a ballad.....Although a few of the early
    releases can be considered....maybe...
    
    jeff

    
    
    They've done plenty of ballads!  You got to listen to their OLD OLD
    stuff..  its great!
    
    
    Goddess F.

    Yeah, there's a great one on Hell Bent For Leather, but the name
    escapes me right now....
    
    "It's been a lifetime, since I found someone, since I found someone who
    would stay..."
    
    |KS|
    

    
    	"Beth" wasn't a power ballad ... it was just a ballad.
    
    	And Judas Priest did "When the Night Comes Down" on "Defenders
    	ofthe Faith", which was definitely a power ballad.
    
    							GTI

    
    Testaments "The Ballad" is cool.
    
    
    

    re .31
    
    There is a ballad on "Killing Machine" (name was changed to "Hell Bent
    For Leather" in the U.S.)  called "Before the Dawn". It's appalling.
    I thought all this ballad-phobia lark died out years ago. I fondly
    remember this usually being practised by novice headbangers with rampant 
    hormones and no girlfriends. 
    
    Barry.

    re: -1
    
    Pardon my ignorance, but what does lack of girlfriends have to do with
    ballads at all??
    
    And if you call "ballad-phobia" lark, doesn't that mean you like
    ballads?
    
    |KS|
    

    
    I happen to like a lot of ballads...I wouldn't exactly call myself
    girlfriendless.
    
    
    

    
     I happen to like a great number of ballads too and I'm far from
    lonely.
              But I do have crazed hormones though. 8)
    
                      Frizkid
    

    Take it easy chaps! No personal offence was intended and certainly no
    criticism of ballads was made in my note. Basically I was referring to
    the state of play a few years back when it was considered, by some,
    wimpish or girlish for a band to produce ballads and affected their
    judgement of bands that did. The comment about hormones and girlfriends
    was just a wry dig at those (usually) younger headbangers who demanded
    nothing but heads down, no nonsense, 100mph songs about death, Satan, 
    more death, Satan etc and could'nt handle anything else. The bit about 
    girlfriends was, shall we say, a light-hearted observation. Next time 
    I'll remember the smileys.
    
    :^)  yours
    
    Barry.
    
    p.s. Anyway, I'm a UFO fan so I'm bound to like ballads are'nt I?
                                      

    re: Barry,
    
    Oh, sorry.  I thought you were calling the song "Before the Dawn"
    appalling!

    
    Re: barry
    
    	Oh sorry..I was just writin' somethin' or other... :-)

    
    
    
    		WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    			wendy o'
    
    
    

    Ballads make me puke,cuz only wimps like them.
    
    Joe Strummer (Aged 13 and a half).
    
    

    
    	RE: .42
    
    	Are you that old?
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    Is that in dog years???  :^)
    
    Chris D.

    Okay, this is ENTIRELY metal related, but all the conversation in the
    Nirvana note got me to wondering about this (filing is sooo boring, the
    mind wanders....)
    
    According to the few men's magazines I've glanced through, males are
    supposed to consider pictures of two women doing each other a turn-on. 
    However, as apparant from the Nirvana note, men kissing each other
    (never mind the stuff the women in Gallery et. al do to each other), is
    considered extremely gross by both men and women.
    
    So WTF?  What's the attraction?  Or are the men's magazine publishers
    of the world perpetrating a falsehood regarding the males of America?
    
    
    
    

    
    I'm not turned on by either....Put me in bewteen the two.........
    women...yeah i would be...put me inbetween the two men...I'd
    be sick...just the way I am............./c
    
    
    
    
    

    What's wrong with Miz Bald O'Connor?!?  8^)
    
    I just think Sethypooh's reaction was just a *tad* extreme.  Sick?
    Really...  I thought the 90s society was over sensationalism like 
    that...guess not?!
    
    Buck, who remembers a lesbian love scene as part of Prince's Lovesexy
    live show, and how it made a few people squirm (but not many)

    Umm.. Speaking as a Moderator here, we'd be treading on a *real* touchy
    area if we get into this discussion in here, so *please* keep it nice
    and Value Differences and all or I will be forced to shut the
    discussion down to avoid all sorts of trouble.  Ok?
        
    Thanks,
    Greg                                           

    
    I was waiting for you, greg... ;')

	Buck, *I* think that two guys kissing (more than a little peck)
	is sick..  I can not help how I feel.  I am not saying that they
	are sick.  They can do what they want, but to *me* it makes
	me squimish.  That is just how *I* feel about it.


							-Seth

>                 -< I am openminded...I just have opinions... >-

	Me too...  What are you opinions Chris...

	(remember be careful how you put it.)


							-Seth

    RE: BJ
    
    *I* think it's the whole "male bonding" thing.  It's still a major
    issue this society needs to work out.  It's *ok* for male sports
    athletes to slap each other in the butt, or hug/kiss each other, but
    it's not ok for male non-athletes to do any of the above.  A dbl std
    fer sure ... go figure?!  
    
    I remember when a close friend of mine went thru a 12 step program to
    get himself off drugs.  Part of the rehab was expressing your emotions,
    which often included big 'bear hugs' for emotional support, etc.  I
    remember myself being very uncomfortable when my friend would do this
    spontaneously in public...for fear that other people would think we
    were gay, or whatever.  Then I thought 'This is stupid...f___ what
    other people think, what's more important is trying to help my friend
    through his ordeal'.  Having put it into perspective, I didn't feel so
    bad about this guy hugging me in public.  Granted, it felt a tad odd,
    but moreso it was because I had this paradigm about society's views on
    such a act, as opposed to the act itself.
    
    Some right wing/religious groups are always trying to surpress any
    headway made into this 'male bonding' issue.  Just recently some
    groups were trying to boycott several major TV networks for presenting
    male conding in such a positive light...as these people felt that was
    not the message they felt should be going out to soceity at large.
    *I* think such exposure is great...I'm always supportive of breaking
    down such social barriers.  Some people just want to live life in such
    a restrictive manner...I think it's unhealthy (see ACOA/incest survivor's 
    issues for reference).
    
    B.

    
    
    Well I'm turned off by homosexuality. There is nothing wrong with it,
    and it isn't bad. I'm just not a homosexual and never will be. And
    I have no desire to be one. If advances are made toward me, I will
    simply say, I'm not intersted. No big deal. 
    
    To quothe my favorite musical lyricist...
    
    Life Is My Own To Live My Own Way
    
    
    Chris

    -1
    
    See my reply in the WTF topic.
    
    *I* just don't see why it is such a big deal.  Gawd, the media has
    ads with pet owners kissing their <insert fav animal here>...people
    don't have a problem with that.  How come?

    -1
    
    I don't think that two men kissing each other necessarily denotes 
    'homosexuality'...do you?  Again, referencing BJ's note...when two
    women kiss, which is quite often, people don't immediately think
    'homosexuality'.  Why then is that term denoted when men are involved?
    
    Buck, wearing his "VoD" hat

>    *I* just don't see why it is such a big deal.  Gawd, the media has
>    ads with pet owners kissing their <insert fav animal here>...people
>    don't have a problem with that.  How come?

FWIW I think that people kissing pets is sick too.  It makes me squimish
also.  So <above> doesn't wash with me.

BTW you said something about sensationalism was over in the 80's, BUT
I am just beining to be an adult, so I am just starting to air my opinions.
So, now is my sensationalism period I guess.  8) x 1000000000

I also don't agree with what you said about sports.  I have never (except
once) seen any two guys kissing in sports.  and I watch a *lot* of sports.
Hugging is cool with me (ex. you and your friend).  Patting on the butt,
I have *never* understood (in sports that is) and I have never done it in
the sports I have played.

							-Seth

    re: Buck
    
    That was really my question.  Why is the reaction to men-kissing-men so
    violent, even if the context is not necessarily homosexual, but women-
    kissing-women is not reacted to in that way, even when it IS explicitly
    homosexual?
    
    Part two was : do men really find depicts of lesbian behavior
    attractive and if so, why?  Most women do not find depictions of men in
    a same sex context attractive (to my knowledge.)
    
    
    Actually, I think Greg's right.  Maybe we best just take this whole
    thing off-line.
    
    

    
    Re: Buck
    
    	I'm not saying any kind of expression implies homosexuality, that's
    just what I was expressing views on. My view on the expressions...well
    I don't think I would enjoy a man kissing me, but I always grab guys
    and bear hug'em...we usually end up wrestling or something, but
    nonetheless.
    
    
    Chris

    re: .55 (Buck)
    
>    I don't think that two men kissing each other necessarily denotes 
>    'homosexuality'...do you? 
    
    No, of course not.  And FWIW I did not think that the guys in Nirvana
    kissing was a sexual thing, just didn't have that feel to it to me.
    
    Also FWIW, I don't have a problem with men touching (in a nonsexual
    way) or hugging, I do this fairly often myself.  I am not a homosexual,
    it has nothing to do with sex.  Someone can think what they will, but
    if they know me, then they know how I feel about things.
    
    It's like Buck said about people kissing animals (formerly in the
    Nirvana note until I moved it here), I think the difference is that
    people don't perceive that as a sexual thing.
    
    The funny thing is that I've had many female friends who would greet
    you with a kiss.  It wasn't a sexual thing, just a friendly thing. 
    Nobody thought anything of it.  But if two males do that, then they're
    branded as being homosexuals...doesn't seem fair.
    
    Then again, in the animal world it's generally the males that are the
    more brightly colored of a given species.  Except for male humans, who
    are expected to dress more sedately then the females.  Why is it ok for
    females to wear lots of color and decorate themselves that way when
    it's not for men?  Why are we backwards from the rest of the creatures
    that populate this planet?
    
    gh

	The animal thing still doesn't wash with me.  I think is it sick
	as well.  

	Re: Greg

	Why ask Why?   8)x 10000000



							-Seth

    I don't especially care for people kissing their pets because I don't
    think it's sanitary.  Has nothing to do with whether it's a sexual
    thing or not...
    
    Sounds like you think of a kiss as some sort of a sexual expression
    regardless of the context, Seth.  I guess that's the difference in our
    definations of what that particular act means.
    
    gh

    Bj,
    
    Hon, methinks you opened Pandora's Box!  ];^>
    
    
    RE: Pooh
    
    But you see, when a million + people see "Joe football star" hug and
    kiss his fellow teammate who just scored a killer field goal, it's
    accepted by the general populus of America.  You don't have a million
    men running to shut the TV off because they are so disgusted, they
    can't stand to watch anymore, etc.  Likewise, put on a documentary film
    like Longtime Companion, which shows little or no same sex scenes, but
    the idea is there, and you have all of America in a b*tch about it even
    being aired on TV!!
    
    I think in urban cities, where there is a greater mix of people from
    all walks of life, reaction to differences (of any kind) is not so
    vast.  But in rural areas, people's view of society is so pigeon-holed,
    people do not know how to react to difference.  Since they don't
    understand difference, they react with fear/hatred.  This is why in
    very rural areas of the south/southwest, you have all these bible
    thumpers, skinheads, and white supremist groups all trying to gear
    their subdivision of society THEIR way (since their way is the only
    way, of course).
    
    This subject is kind of a pet peeve with me, and why I'm involved with
    DEC's VoD program...to try and tune people in to the concept of 
    difference.

>    Hon, methinks you opened Pandora's Box!  ];^>
    
    As long as what spills out in this notesfile follows corporate
    guidelines it's ok, else it's outta here.
    
    gh

	re: Greg

	No, I don't think that people kissing their pets is sexual.
	That is a ridiculous comment.  I think it is sick, probably
	because it is unclean as you say.

	Guys kissing is a different story.  I don't like this because,
	who knows, maybe I see kissing (I mean kissing as I said, not
	a peck, but a real kiss on the lips) to mean something sexual
	yes.  I assume most people do.

	re: Buck

	As I said I watch *TONS* of sports and I have *NEVER* (Except
	once involving Magic and Isiah T.) seen two guys kiss. NEVER!
	EVER!!!  I don't see guys kissing in sports.  I don't know what
	sports you have been watching.


	As I said hugging is okay in my book.  But real kisses are not.


						-Seth

>    I don't know what	sports you have been watching.
    
    As I recall he's big on Sumo Wrestling...
    ;^)
         

re: -1 

	That could be, coz I mostly watch Hockey, football, baseball, and
	a bit of basketball..


						-Seth

    I for one don't enjoy watching two women have sex with each other, no
    matter what type of media it is presented in.
    
    I also watch a lot of sports and have only seen the Magic/Isiah peck. I
    didn't see any big deal there. In some countries it is customary to
    greet with a kiss, (peck on the cheek). Personally it doesn't bother me. 
    Hell, a peck on the lips wouldn't bug me. A full blown (pardon the
    expression) french kiss between two members of the same sex would
    bother me to the point where I'd simply look away. 
    
    

	re: -1 

	Yeah, what he said.....

	I agree with you completely.

	Bother me enought to look away, right, I get a weird feeling
	so I look away..



						-Seth

	I am not telling other what to do, but it is just how *I* feel..



							-Seth

    RE: Seth and Sports...
    
    I've seen it often in Basketball, Rugby, and Soccer.

    >	Bother me enought to look away, right, I get a weird feeling
    >	so I look away..
    
    Ok Seth, off the men kissing subject.  What about, say, if you went to
    a class at DEC, and had to sit next to an employee that had a physical
    or cosmetic abnormality...say like someone who lost half of their face
    to cancer...would you feel uncomfortable about sitting next to them?
    What about engaging in a conversation with them?  How comfortable
    would you feel?  And, how would you say you judge your own level of
    comfortability in the situation on your ability to accept their
    difference?

    
    Re: .71
    
    	*I* would feel uncomfortable yes. Why? Because of pity and remorse.
    I feel bad for the person, and I would have no idea what to say. What
    they look like is of no concern. If it was just that they were ugly
    through natural causes, I wouldn't be uncomfortable. If it was to a
    disease or accident, I would be a little, yes. 
    
    
    I'm trying to be honest. I mean I have friends that are both homosexual
    and 'deformed'...and I treat them the way I treat all my friends. It's
    no big deal. But when it comes to strangers, I must admit I feel a
    little uncomfortable.

re: Buck

	Well I just read what you said.  I feel the same way that Chris
	does on this subject.  I would and have felt very bad for the
	person while talking to them, and this makes me feel uncomfortable.
	I know a lot of deformed/handicapped people say 'don't feel bad
	for me', but I can not help it.  I automatically feel bad for them.
	It is something I can't control, and that makes me uncomfortable.

	I am just being honest too...


							-Seth

    
    oh what a topic!!
    
    :')
    
    ps, i fall right into bj's catagory :').
    
    

    
    What's bj's catagory?
    
    8^)
    
    Flip

    
    
    When I was about 8 I lived next door to a teenager who was disfigured. 
    I saw him alot, he would be over the house etc.  I think I was scared
    the first time I saw him, then got used to it..  so that kind of sh(t
    doesn't bother me now..
    
    
    Alot of men think of woman being together sexually as a turn-on.  Alot
    of men think of men being together sexually as a turn-off.  Seeing as
    its still a mans world, then thats what the rest of the woman
    population is stuck with.
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    
    I for one don't find two women together as a turn on. If I was in the
    middle, yes, to be honest I would be turned on.
    
    As for the deformities....it really doesn't bother me unless It's a
    person I just met...it takes me a wee bit...then It doesn't bother
    abit.

    I saw this on the network and thought it was well worth sharing.
                                                                    
    The following article appeared in December's issue of Life Magazine.


                            Sexual Bigotry                              
                          by Roger Rosenblatt
                                                                        
    The reason people are having so much trouble identifying sexual
    harassment these days is that the offense has less to do with sex than
    gender.  Ever since Professor Anita Hill accused Supreme Court nominee
    Judge Clarence Thomas of lewd and overbearing conduct toward her, the
    country has been trying to determine the difference between innocent
    fun and genuine pain.

    But the pain felt by a woman who suffers indignities from men in a
    place  of work rarely has anything to do with the men's sexual desires. 
    The pain  is experienced because women are made to feel inferior --
    inferior  intellectually, emotionally, professionally -- in a situation
    where they have every right to feel equal.  They are not so much sex
    objects as  targets of bigotry.

    Now, bigotry between sexes, unlike bigotry between races, is fraught
    with a lot of biological tension that can make it seem something other
    than it is.  And sex often does involve the deliberate exertion of
    leverage or power.

    But when some guy calls a female colleague "honey" and does nothing
    else suggestive, I think it's a stretch to assume that "honey" is a
    sign of  his wanting to roll in the hay.  When the word is dropped
    into, say, a  professional disagreement, or a competition of views,
    however, it has the edge of an attack.

    "That's all well and good, honey, but if you had as much experience
    with these things as I..."

    In that sort of case, which is far more common than a man's making a
    pass, the term of endearment is actually a term of derision, of
    purposeful belittling.  Not very subtly, the male in the office wants
    to tell the  female: "O.K.  You've got a big, responsible job now.  But
    this is still a man's world, HONEY, and I'm going to try and make you
    feel as uncomfort- able in it as I possibly can."

    The movie "Tootsie" brought out this kind of sexual bigotry as well as
    anything.  Dustin Hoffman, passing as a woman, and playing an actress
    in a soap opera, chews out "her" director, played by Dabney Coleman
    (America's favorite male chauvinist pig), when Coleman uses the
    supposedly affectionate nickname of Tootsie.   Coleman isn't interested
    in squeezing Tootsie's body but in squeezing her mind.  He wants to
    make her feel she does not belong, or that she exists at his
    sufferance.

    That, I think, is the real and brutal motive behind most sexual
    harassment -- to keep a woman in her "place" whenever she emerges into
    a "man's  place."

    These recent years have been kind of hard on the old boys' network.  (I
    know, I'm an old boy myself.)  In the 1990s men are finally beginning
    to realize that the women's movement has moved; it has happened.  With
    the economy requiring two wage earners in a family, and the general
    enlightenment that follows a right idea, nothing is going to make it
    UN-happen.

    Some men take the news well, some grudgingly, some angrily.  Some take
    it angrily who only appear to take it well.

    There are the ones you often find leering like Red Riding Hood's wolf
    over the watercooler or reaching out to make a pinch.  They don't want
    sex, they want dominance.  They want to set back the office clock to
    when those desks and nameplates were all theirs.

    We have seen this type of bigotry before, of course, but it was in the 
    South before the 1960s, at swimming pools and lunch counters, when
    American blacks were told they were not Americans.

    And we saw it at the start of the century, when American Irish, Slavs,
    Jews, Italians and others were told they were not Americans either:  
    "Irish need not apply."  American Hispanics are told the same thing
    today, as are American Asians and American Indians, and American
    homosexuals and the American handicapped.

    With civil rights laws in place, bigots have nowhere to turn except
    toward lesser forms of tyranny.  The matter often lies in intention. 
    Most male bigots intend to bring women down, all right -- not in the
    bed, in the whole society.  They hope to injure a woman's self-esteem
    by bringing her low.  It is one sure way such men can think better of
    themselves.

    Like conventional bigots, too, they will treat the targets of their
    bigotry as inferior because of fear.  Usually men who behave badly
    toward women coworkers are afraid of them, afraid that women will show
    them up as less capable or that the women will band together in a
    sorority as  clannish and exclusionary as men's clubs.  You wouldn't
    want THAT.

    Many observers feel that the gray area in the harassment issue lies
    where a woman misinterprets a man's intentions.  I think that is so. 
    Many men, myself sorrowfully included, are bumblers when it comes to
    knowing what's cute and what's rude or worse.

    But I also think that the misinterpretation of intentions is far more
    likely when it comes to sexual desires than when it comes to bigotry.

    No law can prove it, but the heart knows when it is being assaulted as
    something less, not worthy, not human.  The man who does anything --
    anything at all -- to intentionally make a woman feel not human is no
    different from the coward Klansman hiding his hatred under a sheet.  
    He's not making love, he's making war.
                                          

    
    
    	This is making quite the rounds.  I read it in Womannotes
    	this morning and forwarded it along to my boss.  It's a 
    	great article!
    
    	JJ
    

    
    It is a great article.  Women are needed, important, neccesary.  I
    think every man should own one!
    
    
    
    
    
    
     :^)
    Chris D.

    I think the whole damn world is just too sensitive sometimes. I joke
    around the same with everyone. I made a little joke with a GOOD friend
    of mine whose hubby is a soccer teammate and drinking buddy of mine. A
    co-worker overheard it and WAY overreacted cuz of what she TOUGHT I
    meant. It's a shame!

    
    well i think people are way too dishonest these days!!!!
    
    people dont respect other peoples relationships, they is no sense of
    commitment. blah blah blah,...
    
    
    		wendy o' 
    

    
    WOAH!  That was a bit deep, Wendy!
    
    

    Too deep for HM!

    	WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
    
    TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    
    F>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    
    :*)
    
    
    		wendy o' 
    

    There IS a sense of commitment in this world.
    
    See..... I was gone for a long long time but I came back.  That's
    commitment!
    
    Mature adults have a serious sense of commitment.  That how you know if 
    you're dealing with one or not.  Its just that there are so few real 
    adults in the world.
    
    kat

>    See..... I was gone for a long long time but I came back.  That's
>    commitment!
    
    Gone from where?
    
    gh

    
    this isn't katrina is it??  i dont recall another kat...
    
    

    
    NO WAY!  IF it is you Katrina, thank god you're back!
    
    flip

    
    Other than being Ms Vaccelli (sp?) it could be Ms Gallup....
    
    Either way, it's good having some REAL people back in here.
    

    
    oh yeah, your idea is more likely...
    
    forgot about the other kat.  i thought there was one but i couldnt
    recall  who is was...
    
    

    Since Katrina was in CO, and Kathy gallup sill in Boston, and BSS
    being a cluster cased out of the CXO3 bldg, I say it's KATRINA!

    
    WTFIIWTFNCTPA?
    

    WTF ever happened to the Crunchberry I video?

    
    Re: .-2
    
    WTF did I write?
    

    
    WTF is it with these idiots with guns who think they're hunters
    who go into the woods, shoot a person and then say "Duh, I thought
    it was a deer!"
    
    Not only are these people a menace to themselves and society, but
    they are a pox on the gene pool.  Stupid people should be locked up
    and not allowed to breed.  They're giving us real hunters a real
    bad name.
    
    IF YOU ARE NOT 100% ABSOFACKINGLUTELY SURE, YOU DO NOT PULL THE
    FACKING TRIGGER!!!   AAARRRGGGHHH!!!  IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MUCH
    SMARTS TO REALIZE THIS!!!
    
    Sorry.  I just had to get that off my chest.
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    Esp. bummin for people like me who just like to hang out in the woods
    cuz they're cool ... now we have to be dodging bullets from
    trigger-happy bambi killers!
    
    If you find me dead, face down in a creek with a bullet through my
    head, don't say I didn't tell you...

    
    
    	RE: Kev
    
    	Funny you should mention that.  My father was just reading
    	from the paper a few days ago about some guy up in Maine,
    	I think, who shot a jogger and some other guy who shot a 
    	dog with an orange collar...
    
    	HELLO!?!  ANYONE HOME?!
    
    	tigg~~~~

    
    
    
    
    Taken outta a favorite cartoon:
    
    
    BANG!
    
    "huhhahhhuhuh.. I got one! I got one!"
    
    "Hey George! did you get one?!"
    
    "YA! and it's got antlers like this!" (putting thumbs to each side of
    head and opening hands) 
    
    
    BANG!
    
    >thud<
    
    
    
    
    
    I just love that cartoon!!

    
    Re: .97
    
    "Uh, well, It *looked* like a Buck!"
    
    :-)
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    Just make sure you put clean underwear on first.

    
    Why?  It won't be clean after somebody has taken a shot at you.
    

    that's exactly what I told my Mom.

    WHo wears underwear?

    You dont... 8)

    
    And just how would you know, Ms. Jennison???   Hmmmmm?????
    

    ooopsss.... BUSTED! hahahahahahahahah
    
    We have little Muffinettes together... 8P
    
    SueMuffyJ

    
    
    
              Oh.
    
    
    

Jesse - I've got a copy of the Crunchberry I vid...

jc