Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    What I liked about it - The groups actually played LIVE. No lip-synch
    crap. Tin Machine Was Good, and the Jam at the end was pretty decent.
    
    What I hated - Who was one of the prime sponsors?  Michelob.  Who
    won the awards?
    Eric Clapton - best guitaist
    Steve Windwood - best keyboards
    Phil Collins - drummer
    
    I see a disturbing trend here!
    
    Steve O

    
    	Yes...as they say, the night belongs to Michelob...
    
    				8^)
    
    							Les
    

    Did you hear the BOOOOS when Madonna was named as the female vocalist?
    Funny, I've never concidered her as a rock star.
    
    Chris D.

    There were a few bogus awards, but hey...could a group like Living
    Colour get recognized at the Grammys?  I don't think so!
    
    I loved all the boos from the audience when Madonna won that one!  I
    was dying laughing!
    
    I couldn't believe that Eric Clapton would win a best guitar player
    award over Joe Satriani.
    
    I thought that Tin Machine was HOT!  Definately convinced me to go get
    this album soon.
    
    Gh

    I just wish that Madonna was there to hear it!
    
    Chris D.

    
    
>>I couldn't believe that Eric Clapton would win a best guitar player
>>award over Joe Satriani.
  
    	Nor could I believe that Phil Collins won over Rick Allen.
    	I thought for sure he would get the award having only one
    	arm and such.
    
    	I didn't watch the whole thing, but instead taped it and
    	watched it as I was getting ready for work this morning...
    	I got a big kick out of Alice Cooper saying that Jethro
    	Tull had won the award for whatever it was he was 
    	presenting...
    
    	Did anyone else think that Ozzy looked really good as far
    	as weight, but thought he was totally out of it?!
    	Yikes man...
    
    	Tigga~~~

                Rik may only have one arm, but as far as drumming
                ability, PC smokes  him.  I'm not really a big PC
                fan, but the guy is a great drummer.
                
                

    re: .6? I thought the Oz looked good too but he couldn't get through
    his lines.
    
    Anyone have a list of all the awards and winners.  I din't watch
    it all.   I decided it was time for bed when Madonna won.
    
    Chris D.

                
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    Nay.  In my humble opinion, Neil Peart is the gnads on the drumz...
    With Lars a close second... Lars is the drummer for Metallica isn't
    he ?
    
    jc (who doesn't know the names too well)
    

                
                You thief!!!!  You stole my Bill the Cat!!!
                
                What  does   NP  and  LU  have  to  do  with  the
                conversation about PC  and  RA???  If you want to
                start naming drummers, I  could name several that
                would SMEAR  Peart (even though  NP  is one of my
                absolute favorites).

    Hell, I dunno... I thought you were saying that Collins was the
    best drummer in the world or something... I was just slammin' ya.
    
    Bill The Cat was used to underline the slam that I inflicted upon
    you.
    
    ;^)  
    
    jc (Who likes Bill The Cat, and I am a thief ! - Ha !)

	>>Rik may only have one arm, but as far as drumming
        >>ability, PC smokes  him.  I'm not really a big PC
        >>fan, but the guy is a great drummer.
          
    
   	As much as I HATE to admit this, I have to agree
    	with Rob about PC.  Albeit, I'm somewhat biased when
    	it comes to Phil Collins.
    
    	I just figured that with all the hype of him losing
    	an arm that he'd be a shoe-in (sp?) for the award.
    	(I, myself, am quite GLAD Phil won!!)
    
    	Tigga~~~      
                

    Oh yeah, I had intended to mention that I thought Ozzy looked really
    good.  He actually had some color in his face and looked like he'd lost
    a lot of weight.  To be honest, I didn't notice him messing up on his
    lines.
    
    I thought Alice Cooper looked pretty good too.  He was also quite
    funny.  I almost fell outta my chair when he announced "Jethro Tull" as
    a winner!!
    
    Even ole Keef Richards looked good, almost like he was actually alive! 
    What the heck's going on here??!?  They must have had an AMAZING gang
    in the makeup dept backstage!
    
    gh

    
    
	>>I can't believe Sheila E. was nominated!
          	
    		Equal rights for women, Pete.  I noticed that
    		alot of women were nominated for a lot of
    		awards, whether they deserved to be or not.
   		Madonna being a prime example  (8
    
	Tigga~~

    Whadaya means Sheila E is not a drummer?
    
    She's smokin...get a life

Well, I was never a big fan of Phil Collins (nor Genesis, really) until I
saw him on the Eric Clapton tour. I had seats behind the stage for the 
Providence show, and ended up watching Phil for most of the night - he *is*
an incredible drummer! He wasn't there to sing, or to be in the spotlight. 
He was simply there to play drums, and did a *great* job.

I'm still not a fan of his hit-making productions, nor his songwriting. But
I do really respect his talent as a drummer.

cat

    Sheila E played drums for prince on his last tour.  She was OK,
    but nothing to write home about.
    
    Steve O

    Yo prc
    
    my reply two or so notes back wasn't meant as an attack, although it
    was obviously taken that way.  Shiela E *is* will known for her
    percussion work, but is also a very accomplished drummer.  You can like
    her and you can hate her...its up to you, I really don't care.  My
    reply was moreso saying "what do you mean she is not a drummer...she
    has drummer on several top artists lp's...she just doesn't do
    percussion stuff"  Forgot the smiley faces on the "get a life" remark
    gawd, is there no sense of humor in here today?? 

                
                What Buck  said!    No,  seriously, ShielaE is an
                excellent drummer as  well  as  a  percussionist.
                I've really only seen  her  with Prince on drums,
                but  I  thought she was  much  better  that  most
                drummers  in rock music today.   She  also  is  a
                great Latin percussionist.��
                
                - Rob -
                

    I saw her on the Tonight show once...she sat in with the orchestra
    and she was burning through some serious latin-funk rhamba's!!
    
    I mean, the lady is hot, but she has thechops to back up her looks.

    I rented a Prince concert video where she played drums, and played
    the sh*t out of 'em !  I never really took her that seriously until
    then ... and double basses too .... gotta love a gal that's into
    that .....8^}
    
    
    				Scary

    The fact the Shiela E. is an excellent drummer as well as percussionest
    may be that he father is 
    
    Pete Escovedo(sp?)
    
    Bill

    ... yeah maybe her talent IS in her jeans, uh, I mean genes ...
    
    ..... was that a chromosome I saw between those basses ?    9^)
    
    
    				Scary

>    And IMO Clapton's technique blows wind. 

I gonna try hard to be nice! 

So I'll just put 'no comment'......

cat

    Alan, 
    
    I just KNEW you would put the next reply!!!   I guess he's never
    seen one of Claptons amazing jams that last for about 15min each.
    (and that's just _part_ of the song...)
    
    I saw a thing on eMpTyV today about the awards.  They said most
    people had mixed emotions about it and were very cynical about the
    whole thing.  It was said at the beginning of the show that the
    awards were going to be for 'unsung hero's of the music industry.
    those people who only get recognized by having their name on the
    record sleeve'.  So who got those awards?  Clapton, Sting, Madonna...
    
    Yes, definatly 'unsung' people, huh?  8^)
    
    Keith Richards only came because they guanenteed him a 'living legend'
    award before hand, and E. Clapton only came because Keith asked
    him to.  
    
    On last funny thing about the show.  It ranked DEAD LAST in the ratings
    for the week.  
    
    Steve O

    I would have picked Clapton over Richards for Living Legend award.
    
    my .02
    Chris D.

	This show turned out to be almost as much of a joke
	as the American Music Awards. IMHO.

	Granted, there were some classy type acts on there
	that probably wouldn't have "lowered" themselves to
	appear on other awards shows i.e., Lou Reed, Elton
	John.

	However, where were the metal bands/awards?  Skid
	Row?  Give me a break. (sorry just my opinion.)

	Okay, Aerosmith was cool, as was Clapton, Billy Joel, ...
	actually the whole idea of the show was pretty cool, 
	BUT, it needs more diversity.  The Stones can't win
	~every~ award.  There are almost as many different "types"
	of rock as there are rock bands.

	There were no thrash bands nominated, there were only
	a couple of metal bands and how do you compare Allanah
	Myles (sp?) to Skid Row?  In my opinion, (I'm very
	opinionated today), it's impossible.

	Also, I appreciate the fact that Rock is basically a
	rebellious symbol, however, as rock has grown up I would
	hope that it's listeners and players have also grown up.
	Gary Busey's antics were class-less.  I'm not saying we
	shouldn't be rebellious, but we should excercise some tact.
	Particularly when in the public eye.  This kind of behaviour
	only strengthens our critic's cause.

	Any other comments/reactions/criticisms out there?

	lb who's_on_a_roll_today! L@@K OUT!

	P.S.  Deen looked great!, didn't he?  ;-)

	

Yeah, I saw most of the show and thought that other then the performances, 
which I mostly enjoyed, it was totally bogus.  Another "lets give the old
timers an award" show IMO.

Eric Clapton as Most Valuable Player - Guitar?  Come on.  I like Clapton's 
music a lot, but I don't consider him the end-all-be-all player that some 
people want to view him as.  There were other players nominated for the same
award that I considered much more applicable (Joe Satriani, Jeff Beck).

Billy Joel as Most Valuable Player - Keyboards?  Get real...

Both Steven Tyler and Joe Perry looked good and healthy, for a change.

I thought those two geeks from Skidrow acted like kids and seemed totally 
out of place.  

I would have liked more "non-mainstream" music represented.

Anyone catch what Elton John said about Sam Kinnison when they shut down 
the sound?  He referred to him as a pig in the sentence previous...

Set Mode/Moderator:

There's no need to apologize, while there are several existing notes on 
awards shows, I don't remember one for this show.  I changed the title to 
something more revelant then "Did anyone see this" though.

Greg

    
    
    	re: lisa,
    
    	I agree with you.  Skid Row against Alannah Myles for best
    	new artist....not fair IMO.  I feel that they shunned metal
    	all together.  Other than the Skids being nominated and 
    	presenting...that was it.  And the Stones, well, I don't like
    	them to begin with so...
    
    	And Greg I agree with you too.  It did seem like an 'old timers'
    	show.  The Stones and Aerosmith took the most awards that night.
    
    	All in all, it wasnt that great.  Oh and I heard on the radio
    	that the show was on an hour tape delay and that Elton used
    	the word f**k in the sentence they bleeped out.
    
    	JJ
    

    
    	It sounded like Elton called Sam a "pighead", and that Sam
    	wwas the reason Elton didn't show up.  (??)
    
    
    							GTI
    

	I understand Elton's point - but there again, I think
	it should have been kept off screen, just as our personal
	differences are taken off-line.  He could have just
	said "I'm doing this show under protest" followed by a
	short & simple statement why, instead he chooses to make
	a scene.  I personally don't care about Elton's & Sam's
	feelings for each other and I don't think anyone else
	will either, people will just take that as another bad
	example set for their children.  This goes for all the
	sniping that went on between Dee Snider & David Cassady,
	Ed Begley & Laurie Smith too.  I'm not sure whether any
	of that was scripted or not, but it sure as heck wasn't
	funny!  IMHO.

	lb

	set mode/dinghead
	Thanks Greg!

                Elton said���something like:
                "I'm doing  this show uinder protest and I'd like
                to congradulate Sam  Kinneson for being the first
                pig ever to host an awards ceremony." They showed
                it on that Kurt Loder thing on Mtv.
                
                

    
       Charlie Watts=Best drummer=is this award for the oldest or best?
    and although Eric Clapton deserves a 'legend award' the best guitarist
    of the year should have been given to Jeff Beck or Satriani..or ?
    They should only have one category and put all the names in a hat,the
    name they draw wins all awards.It makes as much sense as what they are
    doing now.
    
                          R.B.
    
     P.s. Stones=Best tour=are everyone tone deaf ,they certainly had the
                  Grossest tour.
    

If you watched the stones special a week or so back, I suspect that he has.
They tried to keep the cameras off him, but I thought I saw him playing slightly
off with the sound.  Probably my imagination though...

Tim

If you all noticed, none of those awards were titled "best" (as some of you
have been putting in here).  Instead, they ambiguously titled them MVP (most
valuable player).  This is probably so they could justify giving valid awards
to people that don't technically excell (like Charlie Watts, etc).  Perhaps
they thought it would help avoid the "x is better then y" syndrome (which it
didn't).

gh