Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    	Someone has come forward and will be taking this conference to its
    	new home.  Following a cleanup by the moderators and a formal
    	notification of its movement it will no longer be on SAFARI.
    
    	I will wait to have one of the others give you the new address
    	once things are final.
    
    	- Jim

    
    
    	With approval from the other mods, HM will still come down
    	off SAFARI this Friday at 5:00.  The move to the new system
    	will come some time after the weekend to allow for ample
    	cleaning of various topics, etc.
    
    
    	RE: Flip
    
    	As far as I know, it's a permanent home.  
    
    	tigga~~~

    
	Steve (LANDO::) DeMarco at BXB2-2/E6 -- DTN:293-5780 and Mike
    	Aho should be thanked!
    
    	- Jim

    
    	Cut the crap, huh?  Please?
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Note 482 got nuked somehow, I believe ... I was trying to move
    	it to the end of 429 to combine the "Grammy" notes and for some
    	reason it "disappeared".
    
    	Oops.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Would the mods please check the moderator listing and verify
    	their node::name listings?
    
    	I just went through it and cleaned out multiple occurrences
    	of the same access list for each member ... Alan, Greg and I
    	were each listed 3 times, all of them with the same nodes.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    	As an FYI, I've taken my name off the moderator list.
    	T'ain't my responsibility no moah. (8  Now I can go back
    	to the way I USED ta be. (; (; (; heh heh heh... (8
    
    	And another thing, I've gotten more than a few mail
    	messages saying "Where's HM?" "What's wrong with HM?"
    	....for those who aren't already on the heavy.dis,
    	a list used for things like this, send mail to LANDO::
    	DEMARCO, he's got the latest copy and ask to be
    	added. Simple. (8
    
    	Now you'll never be lost again. (8
    
    	tigga~~~

    Have we had ENOUGH yet ??
    
    Doncha think we ought to be a bit more respectful of our BRAND NEW 
    hosts disk space ??  Doncha think that entering 20 replies in 200
    different topics is gonna be a real b�tch to clean up ?????
    
    jc

    I've restored Shawn's moderator privileges and I'm deleting all the
    bullsh*t notes from this afternoon.  I realize it was all in fun, but
    please don't repeat this again.  I have real work to do and I don't
    have time to clean up after you.  If it starts happening again, I'll
    probably shut you down just like Shawn did last week.
    
    Not only did a lot of what was entered not relate to anything, but some
    of it violated the rules posted in 2.* by containing profanity and
    remarks personally degrading to someone.  This will not be allowed
    period.
    
    Greg (in moderator mode)

    Now that we've had our fun for the day, please keep the chatter in note
    number 99, so that we can maintain some semblance of order in this
    file.  Please do not enter x00 or .69 replies that have no content
    relating to the base note and please don't make extra efforts to get to
    those reply numbers.  Notes of this nature will be delete without
    question as the ones from today have been.
    
    Greg (Co-moderator)

        Wow.   .   .go out sick for a day and a half and ya' miss the
        riot !  I WANT NEWS MOD'S. . .
                                      So make like CNN ! :^)
        
        METALord"�

    
    	RE: 99.62 [Mike]
    
    	Could you define "childish moderation practices" please?  I
    	really don't know which ones you consider "childish".  Were
    	they included in Jesse's note yesterday?
    
    	Things like "keeping garbage out of notes", etc.?
    
    	And I liked your UPI article.  8^)
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Well, I pulled the statement out of YOUR reply.  So do you
    	care to expand on it?
    
    							GTI
    

>    there has to be a better way to handle write-locking the conference and
>    at times various topics.  
    
    How would you suggest we handle a situation where an overwhelming
    number of unrelated replies are being entered over a wide range of
    notes in a short period of time?  I believe that write-locking the
    conference and cleaning them up is an effective and fair method of
    dealing with this situation, what problem do you have with the use of
    this method? 
    
>    Many don't always agree with the moving of
>    certain notes (garbage notes not included).
    
    If you are excluding garbage notes, then the time notes are moved is to
    retain or increase the organization of the file.  It makes it easy to
    find information on a particular topic when all the notes on that topic
    are centralized in a single place.  If nobody is interested in going
    back and finding any information someone has entered on a topic, then I
    suppose attempts at organization aren't necessarily and we can let the
    conference run it's own way and then delete it and create a new
    incarnation of it when it gets too big.  
    
    We thought that people wanted to retain good information on bands and
    music related topics, but if that's not what's wanted, we can change
    our moderation techniques in accordance with that.

>    food for thought on a new procedure.
    
    We are open to suggestions, but believe me, the actions taken here are
    not unusual.  Check out the MODERATORS notes conference to see
    moderation techniques used.
    
    Greg
        

    Hi everyone,
    
    I am the host/mod of Heavy_Metal. The system manager who was kind
    enough to give us the necessary disc space to put our notesfile on 
    advised me to keep the file to a reasonable size.
    
    I'm very busy with my own work, and don't have a lot of time to read 
    through every reply to every note to decide if it is worthwhile 
    keeping or not.  Therefore, from now on I'll be deleting on the fly 
    (or moving if I have the time) notes that I consider to be a waste 
    of disc space or not particularly informative.  Please don't take it 
    personally, or expect explainations for each deletion, as I just don't
    have the time. I would encourage the other moderators to follow suit if
    they are also on a tight schedule.
    
    This is our notesfile. It's what we make of it. Make it too big and
    the system mgr will pull the plug on us. That would be a major bummer.
    
    Please try and bear with your mods and help us out on this one.
    
    Keep similing,     8-)
    
    -Stevie D

    Get a life. Who cares if your notes were deleted?
    Who cares if the conference is write-locked? If you were coming
    into HM for information, that would be one thing, if you're coming
    in to chat why should it bother you? I'm sure there are more important
    things you should be spending your time on. 
    	The moderators don't get paid for this, get off their backs.
    If they whack your pee-pee because you used the resource in a 
    wasteful way, grin and bear it. If you don't like the moderation of
    this recreational notesfile, offer to do it yourself... or shaddup.
    
    /Mike... lighten up!! Besides, it's FRIIIIIDAY!

    FWIW, I had a great deal of fun yesterday, but they MODS are right. 
    They are doing a good job at what they are doing and know what needs to
    be done.  If I were a mod, I would have set the whole conference
    writelock yesterday, but I'm not nor would I want to be.  Good job guys
    and sorry you had to clean up after me.
    
    Who won that contest anyway :')
    
    

    
    	RE: Mike
    
    	We WOULD like to hear suggestions, if you want to offer them.
    	We aren't mindreaders, although as moderators we are of course
    	superior to mere noters in other ways.
    
    	8^)
    
    
    	Seriously though, if you think me moving topics around is bad
    	you should look through CARBUFFS.  The conference was set up
    	with a complete directory structure by note topic.  Chevy
    	stuff is with Chevy stuff, etc.  Note 572 was the last note
    	in the conference over a year ago when the new version was
    	started, and note 572 is STILL the last note in the confer-
    	ence today [unless a new noter happened to enter a "for sale"
    	note as a new topic instead of as a reply to note 2 where it
    	should be].
    
    							GTI
    	
    

    My thoughts ....
    
    Face it folks -  this is *usually* a glorified mail file anyway.  Very
    little valuable info passes through these gates.  The way I look at it,
    if the mods wanna burn a reply, or a herd of replies that *they* feel
    are out of line, chances are, that they're right.  I'd *hate* to
    moderate this file - I'd rather babysit a class of hyperactive 3 year
    olds.  
    
    Anyhow - mods, fire at will and let the whiners take their complaints
    OFFLINE via mail where it belongs ....
    
    Scary (realistic on a Monday ...)

    
	Not sure where this should go.  I've been meaning to
    	mention this for awhile and Jason reminded me to do
    	it. (*
    
	>given three other out of use H.M. conferences.  
    
    	If anyone who has found the new home wishes to inform those
    	who are still looking for it, let them know that there is
    	a pointer on SAFARI::USER$1:[gallant.kim.notes]heavy_metal.note
    	(the old home). There is also a listing in EASYNET_CONFERENCES,
    	and a notice that went out to HEAVY.DIS
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    	Why would you tell someone to look at the old conference for
    	a pointer to the new conference?
    
    	Couldn't you just tell them where the new one is?
    
    	[Are you sure you're not a blonde, Tigga?  8^)]
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Incoming! (tm)  =)
    

    
    
    	RE: .25
    
    	For those people who don't know where the new conference
    	already IS, they're PROBABLY going to try and open up
    	the OLD conference. 
    
    	I guess my point is that there are plenty of places to
    	find pointers to the new home so I don't know where these
    	people are getting old information.
    
    	Pffffffffffffffffffffth... I've got too many things on my
    	mind to be thinking of HM too.  nyah.
    
    	tigga~~~

From:	DPE::STARR "Alan Starr APO1-2/C14 dtn 289-1817  11-Feb-1991 1315" 11-FEB-1991 13:16:16.17
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Subj:	something to watch out for in the HM file.....

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    I don't really care what other conferences have, the primary topic of
    this conference is Heavy Metal Music.  Whatever little cutesie things
    you people want to put into your replies have nothing whatsoever to do
    with this topic and I do not believe a special topic for them is
    necessary or desirable in this conference.

    Greg (co-moderator)

    
    	I didn't move the (TM)'s.  When I got here this morning, they
    	were already in "Mutterings".
    
    	This is a HEAVY_METAL conference, not a (TM) conference.  Why
    	don't you start your own conference for (TM)'s if you like them
    	so much?
    
    	I'll make a deal with you.  Find someone to collect all the
    	(TM)'s into one note and I will put them in one of the confer-
    	ence-related notes so they won't get blown away.  Deal?
    
    							GTI
    

    In the immortal words of Joey Ramone...
    
    
    
    "Pizza?  ...I *want* some!"

    Yum-Pizza would be nice....

    re: "tm" topic

    I don't think they relate to the conference topic.  I think they
    definitely add to the cliquey feel this conference already has too much
    of.  I disagree with having an topic devoted to them.  If you want to
    preserve them, why doesn't someone interested just keep a list off
    line, or set up a "tm" mail distribution list?
    
    Greg

    Greg,
    
    Why u b such a hard-a$$??  Is it b/cuz of disk space??  The (tm) topic
    is a good idea!  They do have a lot to do w/ HM.  I'm just sorry you
    don't see it that way...or should I say that I'm sorry your a mod &
    don't see it that way.
    Jesse & Mike:  I'm on your side!
                

    
    >Why do these guys always abandon me in my defense of moral 
    >turpitude? ;-)
    >
    >Mike
    
    	Maybe you should take a hint.  8^)
    
    
    	RE: April
    
    	Who cares who copyrighted a certain "abortion" of an English
    	word/phrase?  Heck, I can mispell [8^)] words deliberately if
    	I want ... but what's the use?  Does every one of them have
    	to have a (TM)?  Of course not.
    
    							GTI
    

    I kind of agree with the mods here!  TMs are fun to use, etc but why
    junk up the conference with them!  If you can't remember what they mean
    then tuff, or someone will remind you!
    
    
    Ga-ZAZ 
    

    April,

    Did you see the "tm" topic in question?  It had NOTHING to do with HM,
    or anything else really other then people trying to lay claim for
    having invented one of those "catchy" little phrases themselves.  It
    had nothing of any tangible use to anyone other then the people that
    dreampt them up. 

    It *might* have had some vague usefulness if the DEFINITIONS of the
    acronyms or some sort of background on them was put in there, but that
    was not the case.

    How can you perceive associating a name with a meaningless term to be
    useful (or even interesting)?  All this does is add to the already
    cliquey feel of the conference that is preventing our membership from
    growing.  

    People don't like to feel left out and if they do, they will typically
    not participate.  This is a general interest notesfile for people to
    discuss heavy metal music and there's been frightfully little of that
    lately.  I believe this is because our readership has become relatively
    stagnant and we are all more or less familiar with each others opinions
    on the topics at hand.  We need to encourage new readers to participate
    rather then turning them off by having a bunch of cliquey talk that
    nobody understands if they weren't around when it started.

    I'm also sorry you perceive of me as a "hard-a$$", I am just the vocal
    one that ended up representing all the moderators in sharing our common
    feeling on this subject with the rest of you.  Shawn's probably sick of
    all of you beating him up every time he tries to do this.

    Greg

>    I think in times like these it is more realistic to not expect any new
>    members.  We'll probably lose a LOT more.  When DEC was booming, I'm
>    sure you had more new readers in here.  Since I've been in here (about 
>    a year), all new faces have been welcomed and accepted into the "clique".
>    This conference is much more amiable than others.

    While you may perceive this conference as being more receptive to
    people coming in them some others, I personally know of MANY people
    that have either been read-only or participated in this conference for
    a very short time that stopped participating (or never publicly
    started) because of the level of cliqueyness (this expressed both in
    the notesfile and in the offline interactions of conference members as
    well in some cases).

    Mike, I'm a little surprised that you of all people would resort to
    "lesser of several evils" type comparisons.  It's not a question of how
    bad some other conferences available on the net are, it's a question of
    how good we can try to make this one!

    Greg

    
    	Reminds me of an 'ole Honeymooner's episode whereby Ed Norton
    	congratulated Ralph for his fine job in getting new members
    	for the Racoon lodge...
    
    	{He didn't get a single new member}
    
    	"Great job Ralph!"  'What do you mean?'
    
    	"You did better than last year, this time we only lost 3 members."
    
    	- Jim

    Mike,
    
>    I don't see where I made a "lesser of several evils" type comparison or
>    posed that question.  I stated a fact based on my experiences.

    You didn't pose a question, that's just a phrase I use meaning an
    "issue" or "matter".  That's not important.

    However factual it may be, I consider a statement like,"This conference
    is much more amiable than others." to be a relative comparison based on
    a lesser of several evils.  I read this as you trying to say that this
    conference isn't so bad because there are ones that are worse out
    there.  

    I see no reason to compromise our ideals and standards for this
    conference based on how bad some other conferences may be.  Like many
    things in life, your standards cannot be set by how bad others can get.
    It's kind of like saying "Stealing isn't so bad, there's people out
    there that KILL other people!"  You have to set your own standards and
    not change them based on comparative judgments with the actions of
    others.

    Greg
                                               

    This discussion is starting to acquire a rather "academic" feel to it. 
    You know what I'm talking about.  Besides that we've strayed far from
    the point that originated this anyway.  I'll respond to this last
    request, but I really don't see a point in continuing this here.  If
    you want to have a lengthy discourse, then send mail.

>    Can I have a pointer to the note that contains the ideals and standards
>    of this conference?

    Try note 2.0, it has a lot of information on how we'd like the "feel"
    of the conference to be.  It doesn't explicitly say that we'd like to
    encourage *everyone* with an interest to participate but I think that's
    kind of implicit.  Nor does it say that we'd like to discourage things
    which make new readers feel alienated (such as cliques), but I don't
    see how that kind of thing needs to be explicitly stated.

    We are trying to keep this a pleasant place that people will enjoy
    discussing the music they love, that's the primary ideal for the file
    as far as I'm concerned.

    Greg

    
    	Note 2.0 gives some hints...
    
    	Just some random comments...
    
    	I see a lot of KEYWORDS in place for this conference, just how many
    	are actualy attached to notes?  I don't think it should be up to
    	the moderators to do this, any author, when appropriate should try
    	to add one.  DIRE/KEY is much quicker than DIRE/TIT...
    
    	For the time being readership is bit hard to determine, although it
    	can be done it's currently not built into the notes server.  I
    	have no doubt that many people read this conference and for the
    	most part only a few write.  I don't think that's because of
    	anything that keeps people from writing but some new readers might
    	shy away, I really don't know.
    	
    	The "they're great / they suck" stuff is fine as long as you back
    	it up with reasons why you thing that but if it's only those one
    	liners it hardly adds much.  
    
    	As for most everyone being friends both through personal contacts
    	or via the new abstract way that NOTES allows then if that's a
    	problem something is really wrong... I don't see anything wrong with 
    	that as long as the stuff that can be more approrpriately be handled 
    	in person or via SEND/AUTHOR are done that way rather than lossing 
    	whatever note topic continunity might exsit.
    
    	I also don't see a problem with a comparision against other
    	conferences but I don think you have to say which ones you mean,
    	are you comparing just other MUSIC related conferences or in
    	general?  While I agree it's up to everyone who particpates
    	to make it what it is without forcing everyone to act like
    	someone says you should.  Just use your own judgement when
    	allowed and follow the stuff in 2.0...
    
    	Although my interests cover H_M, RAD_RAD, AFTER, MUSIC (mainly
    	just to see if people are really still talking about Millle who
    	gives a * Vinnili , etc., I find this conference remarable
    	in terms of activity but again if most of the activity is
    	moderators preaching (sometimes for good reason) then it can
    	get better.
    

    Ideals and Standards can be addressed (or their/my lack there of)
    at GSRC::COOPER.
    
    :)

    I've reviewed 2.0 and can't see what rules have been broken.  Ideals
    and standards were brought up.  My dictionary says rules are entirely
    different.

    Look, a lot of you folks seem unhappy with the way this conference
    is being moderated.  Whats the problem ??  Can you folks not
    read/interpret the rules ??  They've been there for a long time.
    Seems pretty simple to me:
    
    - Have fun
    - Don't slam people
    - Talk about metal
    - Keep the chit-chat in 99
    
    

    
    re Mike
    
    The way you are stirring up sh*t in here, anyone would think that you
    are leaving the company shortly and wish to cause as much trouble as
    possible.  8^)
    
    re Mods
    
    I agree with you.  The trademarks and the mispelling of words to the
    way they sound irritate me.  They have NOTHING to do with HM.
    
    
    Flip

    My thoughts ... for what they're worth ...
    
    *If* I was a moderator here (there *is* a God, because I'm not ...),
    that topic would never have made it past 3 replies.  I really don't see
    that it adds *anything* to this conference, other than creating yet
    another place for folks to go yap.  BUT, since I have the power to
    bitch and don't have the power to change, I just "next unseen" it, like
    I do for countless other topics in here.  This is more of a "club" than
    a "conference" anyhow ....
    
    My bottom line ... do whatever floats your boat, I'm mostly read_only
    anyhow ...
    
    
    Scary (who was using this nick name LONG before it was cool to have
    one)

    The conference had been set nowrite this morning as the disk it resided
    on ran out of free space and adding new notes just left craters.  This
    problem seems to have been corrected now so replies have been
    unrestricted.
    
    Greg (co-mod)

    
    	Notes 750-last were moved between 405-484.
    
    	DIR 405-484/TITLE = "[insert band name]" will give you the
    	correct note.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    what are you people talking about ?? (TM)???
    in totally lost, i'm leaving..
    
    and APRIL if you think you are getting worse speller or the year, 
    you got another thing coming.. i worked hard for that :*}
    And i'll take it as a complaiment (sp?, help me Out here ROB!)
    that you try to write like me.. SO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    	
    		Wendy o'
    
    

    >>and APRIL if you think you are getting worse speller or the year, 
                                                            ^
                                                            |
                                                           /
                                                          /
    NO WAY!!! Wendy just misspelled "of" ________________/

    
    
    naw... worse should have been WORST :*}
    
    
    
    wendy o'
    

    Dan Infante, the head of IM&T (formerly DIS), issued a memo a few months
    ago instructing system managers in IM&T to not backup non-work notes
    conferences. He also made some comments implying that he wouldn't mind
    if they went away completely. The memo got forwarded all over the place, 
    and people who didn't bother reading it carefully mistook it for some sort 
    of corporate policy against "employee interest" conferences. A group 
    within IM&T responded with a memo pointing out that avoiding the backups 
    was more trouble than it was worth, and suggesting a better approach was 
    simply to make sure they didn't get out of hand (i.e., establishing disk 
    quotas for them).  Infante replied with a "Yeah, that's a good idea" memo.  
    See LESLIE:EMPLOYEE_INTEREST_NOTING, note 20.1, for these last two memos.
    The original memo is in there somewhere as well.
    
    Mike

    
    	That's the reason Tigga got rid of this conference ... she's
    	in the IM&T organization [if I understand correctly].
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    	Yup...she is.
    

    
    	Notes 755-761 were moved to empty notes in the 511-534
    	range.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    re -1
    
    Shawn, maybe if you substitute the last word in your p_n for 'HEAD' it
    may make more sense 8^)

    
    Tony, doncha think that's why he put the question mark after FACE?!?
    
    

    Dat TOny is sure a quick one eh, Flip?

    
    That's our Tone...always on the ball!
    
    

    THat Einstein, he's no TOny Dallison
    

    
    Okay okay okay 
    
    Gimmie a break guys!

    One break comin up!!!
    
                           Frizkid
    

    
    	I axed the 3 or 4 "Sue vs. April" repleis in the Dread Zep-
    	pelin note.
    
    	Ladies, be nice ... or I will be forced to give you both a
    	severe spanking.
    
    							GTI
    

    I volunteer to help.

    
    
    	Can I have a spanking too :*}
    
    				wendy o'
    
    

    
    	Hey-Whats the deal!!??? We are buddys and we were having fun...
    
    	But its a different story with the MEN? AYE?
    
    	Wheres Ape when I need her! 8P
    
    	SueJ

    
    
    just checking the personal_name
    
    wendy o'
    
    :*}
    
    
    
    

    wEndy O...
    
    WTF iz ROC?

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    	And if you care to comment on the posting, please do so in
    	note 99.  Thanks.
    
    							GTI
    

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    How about a seperate note for this?  I searched and searched for this
    thing this afternoon but couldnt find it.
    
    

    
    	Alright, could someone please tell me who's been deleting various
    	notes around the conference?
    
    	I just looked, and note 1 is gone too!!
    
    							GTI

    
    Not me! 8-)

    You sure ?  Wagagga ...

    
    Let me check....
    
    
    
    Yep!
    

    
    Shawn..  
    
    maybe you should check with the other moderators!!!

    OOOOO I love mysteries!
    
    
        "The case of the Phantom Moderator"
    
                        by J.R Hartley
    
    
    
    So thats what that stupid ad was about!
    
    
    GAZ

    I cannot tell a lie
    
    I did it ;-)
    
    and for a small fee
    
    I tell you all the hackers loopholes in VAX Notes ;-)

    
    Don't tell him!!!  Let it be our secret :').  Besides with things
    getting stricted nowdays, it's becoming more of a rare thing because
    they add privs to the notes server and disable... well you know what. 
    If I say it will give it away :').
    

    
    Just a reminder that employee interest notes are a privilege not a
    right.  Use care and we'll get to keep our entertaining notesfile,
    people are watching...
    
    To my knowledge there haven't been any complaints, this is just for
    your information.
    
    Greg
    
    
                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     30-Jan-1992 
                                        From:     John Sims
                                                  SIMS.JOHN AT A1 at CORA @ CORE
                                        Dept:     Strategic Resources
                                        Tel No:   223-7243

TO:  Employee Interest Notes File Participants 


Subject:  A message to employee interest notes file users

           A MESSAGE TO EMPLOYEE INTEREST NOTES FILE USERS
    
    Over the last few months I have received a number of complaints 
    from employees, and individuals outside of the company about 
    material communicated in electronic mail systems and posted in 
    various employee interest notes files.  After reading some of this 
    material it is clear that a reminder about appropriate comment and 
    behavior in these systems is necessary.
    
    First, and most critically; the electronic mail systems and notes 
    files are company facilities subject to normal workplace rules of 
    conduct.   As such, the same rules that govern conduct and comment 
    in any other Digital workplace apply with equal weight in these 
    systems.  Stated simply, if you wouldn't say something in a 
    Digital business meeting, you shouldn't say it in electronic mail 
    or notes. PERIOD.  
    
    Statements that attribute improper, illegal or immoral motives or 
    actions to others; statements that cast aspersions on the 
    character or integrity of others or that amount to libel or 
    slander are not permitted. PERIOD.  In this regard, it does not 
    matter whether the individuals subject to the comment are elected 
    public officials or directors of organizations disfavored by the 
    author.   There is no "Public Figure" exception in these systems.
    
    Comments of a sexual nature are not acceptable whether they are 
    about the author or directed at others.  Similarly, comments that 
    degrade, devalue or discriminate against others are also 
    prohibited.
    
    Neither the notes conferences nor electronic mail should be used 
    to solicit other employees.  This prohibition covers efforts to 
    solicit employees for personal or political gain, to sell or 
    market goods or services (except authorized marketplace or 
    discount conferences) and efforts to solicit employees to take 
    action, sign petitions or support particular causes or candidates.
    
    Finally, employees should remember that it is never appropriate to 
    spend working time in employee interest notes for non-work 
    purposes.  Personal or entertainment activities in these notes 
    files should be limited to assigned break times, lunch time and 
    before or after business hours.  
    
    Employee interest notes files and conferences provide an 
    electronic forum to share ideas and opinions about matters of 
    common interest.  In supporting these conferences, the company 
    understood that there would be occasions where employees would 
    disagree on issues being discussed, but we believed and continue 
    to believe it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable.  
    Personnel Policy 6.54, Proper Use of Digital Computers, Systems 
    and Networks provides further information about appropriate 
    conduct and comment in these systems.  Employees who fail to meet 
    these expectations, or who use company computer systems in ways 
    that are contrary to the letter or spirit of that policy are 
    subject to Corrective Action and Discipline up to and including 
    the termination of their employment.
    
    The moderators of these conferences, along with your system 
    managers, personnel representatives and the Personnel Policy 
    Manager are all available to answer any question you might have 
    about appropriate use of these systems.
    
    Please feel free to forward this memo to other Digital notes 
    files and conferences.
    

    
    Basicly what the memo means is that you can no longer say, "Iron Maiden
    blows chunks", or similar things. This memo is pretty hard hitting 
    after you've read it a couple times and let it sink in.

    .90�    Over the last few months I have received a number of complaints 
    .90�    from employees, and individuals outside of the company about 

    	Huh? If they're outside of the company, how can they get into
    notes? 

    Confused...but will obliged
    
    B.A.

    
    	Either by gateways or by "news networks".
    
    							GTI

    	I think the two way access, read/write requires some explicit
    	actions by the conference moderators which I don't think anyone
    	currently has setup or really wants.
    
    	For instance I found that I was able to access the dec CD conference 
    	via VNEWS, but of course it changed the notes to its own format but 
    	it didn't allow me to write to it.

    	From what I can tell these are some examples of conferences that
    	can be READ by usenet folks:
    
dec.notes.personal.activities! 
dec.notes.personal.books! 
dec.notes.personal.catalogs! 
dec.notes.personal.climbing! 
dec.notes.personal.energy_conservation! 
dec.notes.personal.garden! 
dec.notes.personal.hamradio! 
dec.notes.personal.hiking! 
dec.notes.personal.home_work! 
dec.notes.personal.photo! 
dec.notes.personal.riverrat! 
dec.notes.personal.twin_peaks! 
dec.notes.personal.video! 
dec.notes.personal.chess! 
dec.notes.personal.flying! 
dec.notes.personal.audio! 
dec.notes.personal.cd! 
dec.notes.personal.movies! 
dec.notes.personal.tv! 
dec.notes.personal.classified_ads! 
dec.notes.personal.running_club! 
dec.notes.personal.skiing! 
dec.notes.personal.boston_eats! 

    
    	I think I left out the point of all the jibberish...And that is,
    	it reinforces the reasoning behind what has already been said...
    	watch what we say especially in a conference that has been made
    	accessible to usenet.  As far as I can tell H_M is not.
    	
    	- Jim
    

    
    I think the issue is more of someone in company "x" called Digital
    and complained because some customer probably said to them, "Hey, I 
    heard that your company is getting alot of flak in a Digital Notes
    conference, and it said...."

    
    pete is more than likely correct (for once :')).  those usenet deals
    still don't leave the company, they are just in a usenet format.
    

    
	Aside from the original issue I was trying to say that a company
    	or an external organization would have to have usenet NEWS access
    	and subsrcibes to dec.* or specifically have access to dec.notes.* 
    	to be able to read a Digital internal conference with one difference 
    	being the notes are in usenet format as already noted and as one
    	would might expect.  {Run-off/on sentence at its finest!}
    
    	I found this to be the case with VNEWS dec.notes.cd which I used as 
    	an example.
    
    	- Jim

    
    
    people outside the company with usenet access CANNOT subscribe to dec.
    conferences.  those STILL do not leave the company under any
    circumstances (unless someone is forwarding them out without
    permission).
    

    <<< Note 272.99 by GAMGEE::ROBR "Lowercase N, standing on a hill..." >>>

>>    people outside the company with usenet access CANNOT subscribe to dec.
>>    conferences.  those STILL do not leave the company under any
>>    circumstances (unless someone is forwarding them out without
>>    permission).
    

        I'm not particulary sure that this statement is correct here. 
     I pulled this from the dec.mach news group.  While it's not a
     dec.notes by any stretch of the imagination, it's still accessable
     by someone who doesn't work for Digital.  And our ability to
     utilize news groups and communicate with people all over the world
     may have helped in initating that memo.

        (I can't believe I'm using VMS .... !  ;^)

        Vicki

_______________________________________________________________________________

Article 322 of dec.mach:
Path: nntpd.lkg.dec.com!pa.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!news
From: [email protected] (Richard C. Russell)
Newsgroups: dec.mach
Subject: I18N Subsystem Detailed Design Spec Illustrations
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 31 Jan 92 19:10:37 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Distribution: dec
Organization: DEC Cambridge Research Lab
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Approved: [email protected]
Action: OSF/1 Internationalization Writer
Original-To: <:uunet!osf.org!osc-comment>
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL8]

To OSF/1 Internationalization writer:

I have been reading the I18N Subsystem Detailed Design Specification.  The
file "README.public" in the "/doc/eng_doc/i18n_design" directory states:

   The figures and illustrations are not included in this draft.  We can
   mail you hardcopy versions of the illustrations if you would like
   them.  Send your request to the osc-comment mailing list and attention
   to OSF/1 Internationalization writer.

I'd like the hardcopy versions of the illustrations.  Please send them to

	Richard C. Russell
	IBM Corp.
	83DA/988
	Neighborhood Road
	Kingston   NY   12401

Thank you
-- 
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= R. C. Russell                    Phone: (914) 385-3885 TieLine: 695-3885 =
= AIX/ESA Architecture and Design  VNET:  RCR at KGNAIX11                  =
= IBM 83DA/988 Kingston NY  12401  Local: [email protected]     =
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    
    Look at the organization name.  DEC Cambridge Research Lab...  I don't
    think that's Digital Equipment.  The reason I'm so sure is because this
    was all gone over in the AUDIO conference when they were making it
    available as a usenet type conference.  Many people were confused over
    who and who couldn't access the conference.  DEC policy is still any of
    this is for internal use only.  Maybe we could go right to the source
    and check in the conference for whatever utility is used for these
    things (I have no idea what it is, but I assume there is a 'usenet
    conference' utility for creating them other than VNEWS).
    
    

    
    	CRL (Cambridge Research Lab) is a digital office in Kendal Square in 
    	appropriately enough Cambridge.  There's a similar research office on 
    	the west coast.  If I had got off by back side and got proficient
    	in U* (Unix/Ultrix) I might have got a job in their moslty unix job 
    	as of two years ago anyhow and I would have still be working for
    	DEC.
    
    	- Jim

    
    Okay, I was just guessing on the CRL because I've seen that header all
    over the place and had never heard of it.  But I'm STILL sure
    conferences hosted on DEC equipment cannot get out of DEC.  I'm going
    to go look into a definitive answer.
    
    

    

Extracted from ANCHOR""::NET$LIBRARY:EASYNOTES.LIS


						Thu Dec 19 13:49:25 EST 1991

These notes conferences are currently being gatewayed by the
Notes-News gateway to the corresponding newsgroups.  The Notes-News
gateway allows Digital employees to read and write public notes
conferences via News.

This list and the Notes-News gateway are maintained by Dan Halbert
(CRL::HALBERT or [email protected]). Questions or comments are welcome.
Use the CRLVMS::NOTES-NEWS conference, or post to dec.notes.config.
Please do not ask questions about Notes-News in EASYNET_CONFERENCES.

You can request additions to this list. Send mail to CRL::HALBERT or
[email protected]. To be eligible to be gatewayed, a conference must
be listed in EASYNET_CONFERENCES (EASYNOTES.LIS), and must not be
members-only. To save me time, please send me:

    1. The node and conference name (NODE::CONFERENCE)
    2. A list of all the moderators. To retrieve this, do
       "SHOW MODERATORS" in VAXnotes after opening the conference.
       Cut and paste the resulting list into your mail message to me.
    3. The category name under which the conference is listed in
       EASYNOTES.LIS, e.g. "Base Systems", "Applications and Tools",
       etc. You can also look in note 2.* in EASYNET_CONFERENCES.

After you send me a request, I ask the conference moderators if they
approve, and if so, if they would like the gateway to be two-way. No
conference is gatewayed without the approval of the moderators.

The Notes-News newsgroups are for Digital Internal Use Only and are
not distributed outside the company.


New since last list:

	dec.notes.applications.dce-users
	dec.notes.applications.decwindows_user_interface
	dec.notes.languages.ada
	dec.notes.languages.dec_fortran
	dec.notes.networking.decnis
	dec.notes.networking.isdn
	dec.notes.other.human-factors
	dec.notes.personal.boston_eats
	dec.notes.personal.classified_ads
	dec.notes.personal.running_club
	dec.notes.personal.skiing
	dec.notes.terminal.decwindows_programming
	dec.notes.worldwide.gb_91

Removed since last list - the conference is dead:

	dec.notes.applications.risc_software



In the table below:

Description:	From EASYNOTES.LIS and note 2.* of EASYNET_CONFERENCES.

dec.notes...:	Prefix the item in this column with "dec.notes" to
		get the full newsgroup name, e.g. "dec.notes.basesys.ultrix".

Two-way:	T means that new topics may be posted from News.
		R means that replies to topics may be posted from News.

Freq:		New notes from the conference are extracted every 2 hours
		or every 24 hours (about 2:30am Eastern Time).
		A following "d<n>" (e.g. "d24") indicates a delay:
		only those notes more than <n> hours old are extracted.

Topic:		The number of the topic in EASYNET_CONFERENCES in which
		the conference was announced.

Description			dec.notes...		     Two-way Freq Topic
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conference Announcements       .announcements.easynet_conferences     2	      1
Adobe Illustrator		.applications.adobe-illustrator	  TR  2	   3182
Content Based Retrieval		.applications.cbr		  TR  2	   2582
CDA Developer's Kit		.applications.cda_developers_kit  TR  2	   3340
DECthreads Multithread Programming Libra .applications.cma	  TR  2	   3294
OSF DCE Software Kits		.applications.dce-users		  TR  2	   3447
DECforms (was VAX Forms)	.applications.decforms		  TR  2	    715


etc, etc....
    

    
    	I'm not scalding, really I'm not...
    
    	I've been noticing lately that things like DIR/TITLE, etc. are 
    	much slower than usual.  Has the 70,000+ file had any file tuning 
    	/ compression done on it lately?  I seem to recall when Kimmy used
    	to do this access time improved.
    	
    	Also, I noticed that SYSTEM owns the H_M.NOTE file and it has
    	WORLD access, it should be owned by NOTES$SERVER and be protected
    	from the crazy WORLD so that access is controlled only via notes.
    
    	Appropriate ACE's would have to be set for locals/moderators, etc.
    
    	- Jim

I can promise that if it's 70K blocks it needs a tune  up (compression).
I've got a conference with easily 4 times the volume, but it's only 60K.

jc

    I'm very sure it's due for some maintenance if it hasn't been done
    since Kimmy had it.
    
    This conference has a lot of notes entered, deleted, and moved.  That
    space all causes the files internal pointers to get more and more
    convoluted.  
    
    BUT...I don't have an account on Stevie's system, so I can't do it. 
    You'll need to talk to him...
    
    gh

Will everyone please remember the RULES, which are clearly posted in Note 2.0?

================================================================================
Note 2.0                        Conference Rules                      No replies
MILKWY::SLABOUNTY "Raging Slab"                     165 lines  13-DEC-1989 17:34
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

	5)  Who is Heavy_Metal and who isn't?

	    Topic 83 is titled "Which bands are Heavy_Metal".  Please
	    use this note to discuss notes in the conference that you
	    feel are out-of-place, rather than cluttering the band
	    notes with garbage.

*************************************************************************
*************************************************************************
 	Read this message, and heed Corporate Policies and conference
	rules/guidelines.
*************************************************************************
*************************************************************************

As most of you are aware, we had some trouble in here the other night.

In a nutshell, there was a contract employee from Colorado Springs (COMET)
who abused the privilege of using VAXnotes and enjoying DIGITAL's network.

This person noted in violation of the above mentioned policies and guidelines 
(and certainly in VERY poor taste).   On top of that, after a warning had been 
sent by several experienced noters (and by one of the conference moderators),
he continued to use foul and abusive language, and insult conference members.

Upon further investigation by myself and other members of the CXO IM&T 
system management team, further abuses of system resources were discovered.
Several incidences of drug dealing and abuse, sexual abuse, violence, and 
discrimination were found in their mail directories.  (Editorial note:
this stuff was not only against corporate policy, but it was GROSS!)

As a result, he was terminated immediately, as were three of his friends.
On top of that, I suspect that the agencies who employ these folks will be 
made aware of this case.

The supervisor in charge of these folks asked that I post this message as a 
warning to noters everywhere.  Please don't forget that the use of personal
interest notes files is a privilege !  Abusing it is sure to land you in some
very hot water.

Furthermore, don't feel that you have to take these matters into your own 
hands.  Myself and the other moderators in this conference (and others) have
experience in these matters and are here to make this conference fun for 
everyone, while enforcing company policy.  

If you see someone noting in an offensive manner, feel free to let us know,
and we will take the proper steps to get these issues resolved.

Bottom line gang - Read and heed the rules of this conference !!  If there 
are any questions, we moderators would be more than happy to answer them.

jc (Co-moderator)

    	Very well worded Coop!  Well done!

    B.A.

    Wasn't me really - I just work here.
    
    Shawn and Tony did the work !!
    jc (Who doesn't find it hard to extract a few mail messages)

    Well it's *nice* to see some sanity in here...  8*) (sanity being a
    relative term)....
    
    I take it that we have been discussing the morons who spent their time
    discussing canabalism and such things... if so glad to see them gone.
    
    I hope this incident won't put the gang off of the usual friendly
    raport that we have in here (insults 'n' all)... because we all know
    that the "insults" we use are in jest, fun, and usually used to provoke
    discussion.
    
    This is one of the best things about this conf. and hopefully we won't
    have anymore childish, moronic, bullsh*t from persons of that ilk
    again.
    
    Bonzo
    
    P.S.  Good note JC...

Yes, good work all.  I felt like I needed a bath after reading some of those
notes.


Tim

    
    	RE: Tim
    
    	Well, you might need one regardless of those notes ... might want
    	to ask a co-worker or girlfriend, just to make sure.
    
    	8^)
    
    							GTI

Hahahahaha

Insert scene of Flounder blowing into his hands and sniffing under his arms here.

Tim

    >Are birthday greetings removed the same day they're posted?
    
    The program posts the message at the very beginning of the day,
    and deletes it at the very end.  Doesn't make much sense to
    have the "Auto-wishes" hanging around for much longer than that,
    does it?

    Hey, guess you'll have to be a little more up on the current notes,
    huh?
    
    If you wanna rewrite Buck's procedure to work differently, let me know
    and I'll send it to you.  I have neither the time nor inclination to do
    it myself.
    
    gh

    >If you wanna rewrite Buck's procedure to work differently, let me know
    >and I'll send it to you.  I have neither the time nor inclination to do
    >it myself.
    
    Same here ... feel free to hack away -- I don't have the time to fool
    with the $#!t.

A simple lexical item "WEEKDAY" ought to do it, along with a little logic...
jc

    Someone in here has filed a complaint with personnel in regards to my
    noting practices.  Since I don't know any other details, it is
    difficult to apologize for something that you know nothing about. 
    However, I would like to present a sincere apology to that person for
    whatever offended them.
    
    it's been fun noting with you,
    Mike

    If this is true(Andt wouldn't Suprize me if it was)..
    And like to Address to the Person Who_Ever Scurried to Person_Nel that
    you are...........................Weak

    
    If someone really went to Personnel without discussing it with you
    first, I think that smells of 'personal attitude'. 
    
    I think the offender is immature. I never did that when a certain noter
    (now left anyway) threatened to kill me.
    
    -Tony

    re-1
    
    
    Tony,
        was this the sme punter from Colorado that called me a fag?
    
    
                                                   Staynz
    
    naebody calls me a cigarette and get away with it!!!
    

These things should be discussed between the person offended, and the
offender before this step is taken.  Man...

I know the comp. is in a shitte"y" state right now and we're all on
edge a bit, but let's value some differences her.

I disgree with almost everything Mike says...but so what. That's what
makes this a complex and interesting world...

Hope it works out mike.

-a

    
    That's pretty low. 
    
    People that go whining to personel must be pretty insecure about their
    own beliefs to take matters up with DEC higer-ups.
    
    Sorry to here it, Mike.
    
    
    

I think the person should have dealt with Mike directly and it really
stinks that they did this anonymously...

I find myself getting kind of torqued up about Mike's notes sometimes, but
if I had a real problem with them, I'd send him mail and talk to him about
it...

Sorry to hear about this Mike...

Tim
    
    

    Sorry to hear about the situation Mike.....I myself would ALWAYS
    resolve any differences with the person......taking someone to
    personel over a note that is written expressing one persons views
    is totally rude...everybody's entitled to freedom of speech and
    their own opinion.....I dont agree with alot of things said in here,
    but it doesnt personally offend me....I think the person who did
    this is in-secure and cant handle the fact that everybody has the
    right to thier own views........
    
    Bob  :(

    I'd be interested to know who it is.

    
    RE: .170
    
    Yes, be a man (or woman) and standup and introduce yourself.
    
    

FWIW - I beleive that the compliantant was not a person, but an organization.

Keep in mind people (and we mods have said it before), that the network
cops regularly scan notesfiles, including this conference.  You are responsible
for what is in a note when you enter it.   Note responsibly.

jc

    I doubt they do have the balls....Whoever you are....YOU ARE 
    SERIOUSLY weak minded and a wimp.  You should at least mailed MIkey
    something.  I doubt Mikey has ever said ANYTHING worse than I have....
    I'm sooooo pissed at this I could scream!
    
      Whoever this was....Do something like a mature adult and admit it
    AND take it back!
    
      Friz
    

Friz,
	I think it was the NET POLICE. Not an individual. But, we may find
out soon enough.

	JC is right. Watch what you note, BIG BROTHER is WATCHING! :^)

-a

    Mikey's situation aside, this seems like a good time to reiterate the
    proper protocol for dealing with issues within notesfiles.  If you have
    a problem with what someone has said, you should take the following
    action:
                                                    
    1) Contact the noter yourself.  This can be done either by Mail or by
    telephone.

    2) If you cannot resolve your issue this way, contact a Moderator of
    the notes conference in which the dispute occurs.  That's one of the
    purposes they serve.  Hopefully, if the matter involves issues of DEC
    Corporate Policy violations, the conference moderators will have
    already taken action, since that's one of the things we watch for.

    3) If the conference Moderators do not resolve the issue to your
    satisfaction, contact your Manager or Personnel representative.  Keep
    in mind that this should be your final recourse.

    Greg 
    (co-moderator Heavy_Metal notes)

    
    I disagree with a lot of what Mike says, but I will defend his
    right to say it.
    
    We don't need no steenking thought police.
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    
    "Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away"
    
    
    - Dave Mustaine
    - Hangar 18
    
    

    
    
    Man, you can't say nothin in here anymore...
    
    

    
    >Man, you can't say nothin in here anymore...
    
    	Shutup Whitpose!

    Testing_1_2_3?
    
        Crazy_Am_I_Still_On_Line_Al?
    
    

    Still online.

    Just wanted to add my .02 in here on this whole Mike situation....
    
    I like everyone else so far thinks whoever did this was completely out
    of line! I don't think it was any net police cuz I think there's other
    noters in here that would've gotten in trouble before Mike. I for one
    disagreed with alot of what Mike said but thought he agrued "HIS
    BELIEFS" with sincere and thought out points.
    
    What really sux about this is that noone is sure what happened and now
    we're all gonna feel a little apprehensive about getting into anything
    with substance! So whoever you are thanx for keeping the stereotype of
    h_m being immature alive! (BTW that was meant sarcastically!)
                                                                 Rat

    
    Lets just sit back and watch which noter in here 'quietens' down.
    
    To me, this conference is like a gathering of friends. Sure, tempers
    flare but I don't think any harm is done. This is like calling the cops
    on your family - its shitty!

I'm tellin' ya - it was the net police...

Honest everyone, it's the net police. That's from the horses mouth.

Mike KNOWS it wasn't an individual now.

Trust me, they monitor what you say.

Scary doodes and doodettes, no?

-a

    So what was it that he said that they didn't like?
    
    |KS|
    

    re: Andy

>Mike KNOWS it wasn't an individual now.
    
    Not strictly true, everything starts with an individual.  
    
    What we are lead to believe, at this point, is that it wasn't a Noter
    that initiated the complaint against Mike.  He received a memo saying
    that "Corporate Security monitors these conferences" and that they had
    taken this action.
                                                                    
    gh

...And there is some question if Mike even posted any such note...

There appears to be NO proof of it at all!!
jc

    Perhaps, but at this point in time, we do not have all the facts, so
    it's in our best interest not to discuss it too much (or make
    conjecture about it) until we do.
    
    Greg

    The only thing that gets me is that there are too many *other* things
    that I would think "Corporate Security" would deem worthy of a
    complaint. 
    
    'pril  
    

    Where did the Halloween music topic go to?  I needed the info on the
    Bach organ pieces again and the topic appears to be AWOL.

    If we told you, we'd have to kill you.

    Mike,
    
    Some "Brilliant" Moderator moved the whole Halloween discussion into
    99.*, where it was blown away with the .com file!!  8^(
    
    

    Well Buck, could you mail me the name of that organ grinder album
    again?  

forwards removed...
                    DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Document

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     29-Jul-1993 11:50 EDT
                                        From:     Win Hindle
                                                  HINDLE.WIN AT PNDVUEA1 at MLMAIL at MLO
                                        Dept:     Administration
                                        Tel No:   223-2338

TO: See Below

Subject: NON-BUSINESS USE OF NOTES FILES

At the recent Internal Controls Committee meeting, there was a
vigorous discussion of the elimination of non-business notes
conferences.  Bob Palmer was clear that he did not want Digital
to pay for such conferences.

Before we proceed to shut down non-business notes conferences, we
need to have Ron Glover and/or Dick Farrahar assess the effect on
morale of this action, especially in our Engineering operations.
I believe we will seriously hurt our already fragile morale.

I suggest we ask two questions and have them reported to us prior
to an SLT discussion:

   1.  Peter Brown should estimate what percent of our network
       costs are caused by non-business notes conferences.  What
       would be the dollar savings of this action?

   2.  Ron Glover should give us an estimate of the effect on
       employee morale.  Would this be another "vacation accrual"
       issue that we would have to reverse after announcing it?

Then we should have a data-driven SLT discussion with Bob Palmer
present to decide the appropriate course of action.

smv

    good thing Win doesn't read HM ;-)

    How do you know he doesn't ??
    
    
    

    Yo Coop, see 99.34...
    
    gh 
    
    PS, why post it in this note, where it'll stay around forever?  It's
    not anything official (yet).

It's too loud for him...

    re: .196
    
    Looks like employee interest notes were spared the blade once more. 
    Big surprise, it happens like this every couple of years.
    
    But, as always, these notesfiles are open for scrutiny by anyone in the
    company that chooses to do so, so let me take this opportunity to
    remind you to please keep the notes you post here within the
    appropriate corporate guidelines for conduct.  (See the memo below for
    a reference)
    
    Thanks and happy noting!
    
    Your (co-)Moderator,
    Greg
    

From:	GRIMLY::LWIRE_OBJ    20-AUG-1993 13:13:50.58

	Worldwide News                     LIVE WIRE
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                Employee interest notes files to continue 
          
         Digital's Senior Leadership Team decided to maintain employee 
   interest notes files at a recent SLT meeting, according to Win Hindle, 
   vice president, Office of quality, Ethics and Business Practices.  
   The costs of maintaining these notes files had been under discussion. 
         The SLT considered numerous comments from employees and reviewed 
   cost and usage information before making the decision.  The team also 
   decided to conduct a review of current standards, guidelines and policies 
   associated with the use of employee interest notes files.  
         Meanwhile, all employees are requested to follow existing guidelines 
   and policies for proper use of the network, as stated in Personnel Policy 
   6.54, "Proper Use of Digital Computers, Systems and Networks."  
         This worldwide policy states, "Information, and the ability to 
   communicate it, are valuable assets that play a significant role in 
   Digital's success.  The protection and appropriate use of these assets 
   is everyone's responsibility."
         Digital's network is a powerful business tool, and employees are 
   encouraged to use it with sensitivity to managing Digital's communications 
   costs and in accordance with the company's philosophy and values.  

                       FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY

>    Looks like employee interest notes were spared the blade once more. 
>    Big surprise, it happens like this every couple of years.
    

	
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW

	/Cap'n Quad

    After receiving complaints offline, I've deleted some tasteless jokes
    and the discussion they triggered from the Frank Zappa note.  Please
    try and have some class in here, people.
    
    gh

                          < Flame On >
     Gee,
    
      Who would do such a thing like that ?  I am offended for someone
    calling me a JERK....but that's okay.  However, If I called that
    person a Bi$@# or a S**THeAd I am sure the individual would not hesitate to
    complain.
    
    Sax_Finished_Playing_In_a_Glass_House...
    
    
                                      < Flame Off >
    
    

    Sax..
    
    
    Do us all a favor and GROW UP...your cooperation is appreciated!
    ;")

    
    	Note 99 has been cleaned out up to Friday.
    
    	All band/artist notes, as far as I can tell, have the keyword
    	BANDS added to them now.
    
    	[In case anyone thinks I don't do anything besides work.  8^)]
    
    
    							GTI

    
    that is work!  nothing better to do??? :')
    
    go play some pool or something...