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    The same LP has Tommie Aldridge on drums.

    
    Right,
    
    The LP you talk about is "Mind's Eye" and it's one of the
    best guitar-solo album I've ever heard. Drummer is also
    well-known but can't remember his name. (may be Tommy Aldridge??) 
    
    Vinnie got the feeling...

                                                 
    
    			Didier  "Life Force"

                                             
    
    	I've never heard Joe Satriani and I'd like to know 
 	if it can be compared to Vinnie witch I like a lot.
    
    		Didier "Long Live Rock & Roll"   

    
    Joe Satriani has been playing some gigs over here, but I've only
    just found out so I'm ticket-less. :-(

    
    Re: -1
    
    This is not a flame, but Vinnie does NOT compare to Joe S.  
    
    Vinnie comes from the `I imitate Yngwie' school of guitar playing
    (which is both an insult and a compliment).  Ie - Lots of minor
    arpeggios, harmonic minor runs, ostinato sextuplet figures, common
    tone runs, you know, the signature Yngwie-ripped-off-from-Bach licks.
    
    Joe satriani...well, buy his first lp, Not of This Earth, and compare
    it to Vinnie's first lp, Mind's Eye....you'll quickly see who the
    better guitarist is.  Although, if that isn't apparent, then you'll
    notice Vinnie sounds more like Yngwie/DiMeola and Joe sounds like
    Vai/Holdsworth.  Not really worth comparing, I jsut think Joe's
    playing is so much more *thoughtful*.
    
    I mean, Vinnie is a cool player and all, but he should get his own
    identity.  Even his second album has almost the same title as Yngwie's
    latest album (Odyssey).
    
    Buck

    
    RE:
    
    Yo, Cookster!
    
    Blues-based?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??????
    
    Man....listen to the album's.  Joe is a Jazzer. 

    
    
    Yo Buck, who's the guy who discovers all these guitarists.  I heard
    his name the other day but I forget.  I think he has something to
    do with the label that MacAlpine/Moore are on: 'Roadrunner Records'
                                                   
    -Tony

    
    The guy who discovered Vinnie Moore, Malmsteen, MacAlpine, Gilbert,
    Trafolla, etc etc was Mike Varney.  He runs Shrapnel records.  That
    may also be a factor why they all sound alike.
    
    MacAlpine has graduated from the Sharpnel label (independent) to
    a major label (Mercury I believe).  
    
    Joe Satriani is not a discovery of Mike Varney, fyi.

    
    
    Well, IMO:
    
    Vinnie gets the best rhythm section to play his tunes...Aldridge-drums,
    andy west-bass, macalpine-keyboards.
    
    Joe plays all the instruments himself (sometimes a real drummer,
    but...): keys, bass, guits, drum machines.
    
    I think Joe (minus the monster players) set up better grooves for his 
    tunes then Vinnie did.  In joe's compositions, its not just the lead 
    guitar, but all the instruments working in context towards a group
    sound, and a solid groove.  Listen to Always... off of Surfing or  
    Hordes of Locusts or The Enigmatic off of Not of...the lead guitar is 
    rather subtle, but the band is producing this groove of death.  
    
    On the other hand, Vinnie takes the opposite route.  His rhythm
    section plays basic, stright ahead rhythms so his melodies and
    solos can be faster.  Listen to Daydream...all the rhythm section
    is doing is chunking on an eigth note rhythm, and Vinnie is all
    over the top of it.  Its wild lead guitar, but as far as a composition
    goes its rather basic and undeveloped in my book.  Same goes for
    The follow-up tune...Saved by a Miracle:  A super-speedy classical
    solos starts it off, then the rhythm section comes in with this
    repeating 4 bar figure (and repeats and repeats), the tune never
    develops harmonically or into any real form, other than A-B-A-B,
    but Vinnie is right there blowing massive chops over it all.
    
    My point is this: I don't really care who is playing on whos album,
    if it doesn't groove, its nowhere.  I think Vinnie's second album
    is a bit more mature than Mind's Eye, which I feel is a pretty weak
    album compositionally.  I think he has great chops, but his playing
    comes acroos cold and calculated in my opinion.  Kind like the first
    rising force album...a hot lead guitar playing over a bunch of changes
    that don't mean anything.  I just think Joe Satriani takes a broader
    look into composing and writes for the band sound as opposed to
    a lead guitar thing.  Although, his `hits' (satch boogie, surfing)
    aren't good exaples of this, the other material hidden on his albums
    are.
    
    Bottom line: Sensitivity over chops in composition.

Well, I'm like Buck... I don't care who it is... If it doesn't rock, it's
junk....

Anyhow my $.02 worth about Joe and all the rest...

Satriani is awesome.  He's an incredible git player... Only trouble that
he has IMO, is that it gets old cuz he hasn't got any vocals.  To me it
sounds like Mr. Scary doing his warm up jams before practice...  Like I
said, Joe is hot, but boring after a while.  I don't mean to sound like
I can't listen to a good guitarist or anything, but if I wanna hear a jam,
I go to practice and check out Mr. Scary personally, or 2EZ writing a new
tune...

jc

    Dammit!  I had just entered a fairly long reply to this topic and typed
    CONT/Y somehow.  I had notes in a subprocess so I couldn't continue.
    It's all gone now.  That really P*sses me off! 
      
    I'm not qualified to rate Vinnie Moore, as I've never heard any of his
    albums.  I would like to make a comment on Joe Satriani and some of the
    others.  Bear in mind this does not necessarily apply to VM. 
    
    I personally don't tire of listening to Satrianis music (like JC). I
    believe that it's because he does put a lot of thought and effort into
    writing the songs BEFORE recording them.  Seems like so many solos are
    just some player going into the studio cold and blasting out something.
    Well, I don't care how good the chops are, if there's no thought and
    inspiration behind it, it's not going to be interesting for very long! 
    
    I read more and more interviews with players that talk about going to
    the studio, letting the tapes roll, and play.  Yng even went so far as
    to say that he NEVER writes anything beforehand, just goes lets the
    tapes roll and jams.  No wonder his recent stuff sounds stale. 
    
    re: .13  Even as a joke, you should still be shot.  Mick Mars indeed!
    
    ACK! (insert 'Bill the Cat' face here)
    
    gh

                
                For those of you who like Moore/Yngwie/MacAlpine,
                check out Project: Driver.  
                
                Hmmm .   .    .  I just ran downstairs to get the
                exact lineup of the band, but my tape seems to be
                missing.  Uh, oh.   Anyway,  it features (As best
                as I can recall), MacAlpine, some guy (Rob Rock?)
                on vocals, Aldridge on drums (?) and  (damn!) who
                was on bass .  .  .    I forget.  I get all these
                Moore/MacAlpine/Driver  stuff  mixed  up.    They
                ought to get everyone together  and make one band
                since  they  are always switching around  anyway.
                Steve  Smith,  George  Lynch, Billy Sheehan, Jeff
                Watson, Brad Gillis,  Tommy  Aldridge and quite a
                few others I've forgotten  all  played  on albums
                with MacAlpine and Moore.   What  the hell, let's
                throw in Dave Chastain and Paul  Gilbert for some
                more guitar stuff (Yngwie is too stuck up to play
                with  any  other  great guitarists, that's what I
                love about  MacAlpine.  He invites his influences
                to come play with him).
                
                

    
    
    
    MARS - Project Driver is one of my favourite albums.
           
    Line up:
           
    MacAlpine - guitars/keyboards
    Aldridge - drums
    Rock - vocals
    Sarzo - bass       
            
    Watch out for Nations on Fire, Nostradamus, You and I, Fantasy
    
    Brilliant album !!!!!!!
    
    -Tony

Is this the same Bob Rock who was in the Payolas, and is now in Rock and
Hyde (remember their hit 'Dirty Water'? - no, not the Standells song!)?
Just wondering, because I wouldn't think that these styles mix too 
well.

By the way, in addition to being in Rock and Hyde, Bob Rock is one of the
hottest producers/engineers around now. He co-produced Bon Jovi's "Slippery
When Wet", and also worked on the new Aerosmith album!

cat

    
    I don't think its the same guy - I could be wrong.

	From "Metal Edge"....on Vinnie Moore...


	...Already voted "Metal God in Waiting" and "Best New Talent"
	by the readership of three magazines, guitar virtuoso
	Vinnie Moore arrives hot on the heels of Joe Satriani's
	commercial breakthrough....


	Hm....interesting to see what's gonna happen, eh?

	/tig!

    
    FYI, the new "Metal God in Waiting" is Michael Angelo.
    
    and damn well deserved too, this guy is a freakin MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    

                
                I saw  the  Michael  Angelo (like that's his real
                name) "How to  Play Guitar" video tape.  It was a
                riot.  He starts  out  with  a  nice simple major
                scale and by the end  of  the  tape,  he's  got a
                double neck guitar, and he's doing harmonies with
                5-finger  taps  on  each neck with 1/64th  notes.
                Sure .  .  .  If  anybody  wants to learn to play
                guitar, don't learn from this tape.  It was  more
                like a "watch me show off for a while" tape.  But
                there's no arguing, the guy is *SICK*
                
                

Someone loaned me Vinnie Moore's "Time Odyssey" tape, and I listened to it on 
the way in. Overall (as usual with these guys), while I was impressed by his 
chops, his compositional talent is nearly nil. Just lotsa runs and scales over 
fairly boring background music. Sometimes I would hear a nice little thing, 
but overall its mostly boring.

One exception - he does do a half-decent job on an instrumental version of 
"While My Guitar Gently Weeps". While he still insists on throwing in too 
many lead runs where they don't belong, there was some nice mimicking of the 
vocal lines and harmonies.

I still have another side to listen to, if I get the ambition. I doubt it
though - I've heard it all before....

alan

> Instead of cutting apart a clearly superior guitarist, just admit you don't 
> like the particular guitar style. 

But Pete, if you looked at, for example, my last entry in the Yngwie note, 
from last month, you'll see that that is not always true. I gave the live 
Yngwie album a favorable review. Its not their style that bothers me but what 
they do with it. If its done within the context of a good song, of if the 
guitar playing itself provides a good melody line or structure, then that's 
fine. Its just the ego-trip, speed-for-speed's-sake that bothers me.....

I also entered this note because someone who may have ignored Vinnie 
(because of his style) may be interested in hearing "While My Guitar Gently 
Weeps", which hadn't even been mentioned in this topic previously.

alan

    
    Pete, you really group Clapton with The Black Crowes and "Garbage
    Rock"?
    
    And here I thought you had good taste...:-)
    Spaceknight
    

    HOT news:  After a recent decision by Vinnie to release (yet another)
    all instrumental album, Ibanez Guitars decided to yank Vinnie's guitar
    endorsement!!  Ibanez wants their instruments being played by people in
    the limelight of R&R, and feel that Vinnie's decision to release
    another solo/instrumental lp will further push him into musical
    obscurity.  They were hoping for a vocal/band-oriented album in the
    vein of Greg Howe's 2nd and Tony MacAlpine's 3rd album release!

    
    Thats too bad they yanked it, but I'm glad he stuck with the
    instrumental.  TMacA's first two albums were great!  The last one
    wasn't anywhere near as good.  I'm glad VM is sticking to his guns,
    even though it may cost him.
    
    

    It just shows that the moguls are only interested in money and will
    contribute nothing to music as an art!
    
    
    GAZ

    re: vinnie moore
    
    he is a great guitarist, there is no doubt about that.
    I used to live in deleware, so I got to talk with him
    quite a few times.he is also from deleware.
    I attended a seminar he held sponsered by IBANEZ.
    he said maybe in the future he might form something
    with a vocalist. he wasnt sure.BUT!!! that was three 
    years ago.he seems pretty cool when you talk with him.
    and the reason why his music is so clasical is because 
    thats all he listens to at home and in his car.
    I hear he is not with ibanez any more. hope to hear 
    something from him soon.
    
    
                                   gregg

    RE: .30 ... see reply .27

       
    
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	I heard a song from Vinnie this weekend..  It was called 
	Meltdown (I believe).  I though it sounded pretty cool.
	Meltdown is also the name of the album so does that mean
	that this is a new album?  Either way I thought it was
	pretty cool.  Might be one to get, I like listening to
	instrumental releases (except Via's Little Green men tape
	I don't care for that one, but P&W rules.)  I don't hear
	very many instrumentals, they never play them on the radio.
	So when I do finally hear one I usually like it..


					-Seth

	(The master of writing sentences that don't really go together
         and stickin' them all in one pharagraph..   8)  )		
		

    
    
    Yeah, new album from Vinnie.  He just played at the Channel last week
    (I had to work :'( :'().  I don't know how radio stations choose their
    instrumentals because much of Vinies and Tony MacAlpines stuff I though
    was far superior to Satch Boogie which used to get all sorts of
    airplay.  Then you hear Edgar Winter's Frankenstein all the time now
    also (now THAT'S a great tune).
    
    

	Vinnie was GREAT!!!!  The guy is scary!!!  unbelievable!!!!!

	He played a few solos RIGHT in front of me....  The guy
	is awesome...  His bass player and drummer ruled too!


							-Seth