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    I'll be there,hopefully the beer will not be to expensive.
    prediction: Guns'n roses will blow everyone off stage !!!!!!!!!
    
    steve.
    

                                                                    
    DONNINGTON - YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!                                  
                                                                    
    I'll be there, drinking the pi** water beer, queueing up for an 
    hour gor a hot-dog the size of a cockerspaniels d*ck, eating burgers
    the size of chocolate buttons.  But hell, we go for the music right
    guys ??                                                         
                                                                    
    I'm not gonna pass judgement on whos gonna blow who off the stage.
    I'm a quiet chap you know, who keeps his opinions to himself......
                                                                    

    I was only joking,thought it might provoke a reaction,anyway I'll
    be there,are you taking a flag ? we used to take them but found
    you become a target for the flying beer cans.I wonder is this a
    feature of outdoor shows in the states ?
    
    steve.

    I thought the lead singer for Guns n Roses has severe laryngitis
    and may not
    sing again?
    

    
    Axl does have laryngitis but as far as not being able to sing again
    there hasn't been a report on that (at least I don't think so).
    
    Tracy
    

    
    did he sing in the first place ??
    
    ;-) didn't mean it.
                       
    A GnR fan.

    
    	After reading an on_the_road interview with Maiden in last weeks
    Metal Hammer, it appears that Iron Maiden's PA will be about 80
    feet high and that's probably about twice as loud as last year.
    The stage will be bigger than their American set, which is their
    biggest yet.  Interview had a lot of info about the stage and the
    running order but I won't spoil anyone's fun by revealing all.
    	I wonder if Axl (Guns'n'Roses) is up to it.  Are the nodes on
    his vocals chords bad??
    
    	Bye for now,
    			Darron.

    
    	Hey Tony,
    	are you going up this year??  On Horsemans??
    
    	Darron.

                                                                   
    Naw, I'm going with ..........                                
                                                                   
    (wait for it...:-)..)                                         
                                                                   
    MY MOTHER.  I'm serious!! She's nearly 40 and got a bigger record
    collection than I have (and thats pretty big).  We're going down
    in a van.  Well, actually there's my mom and her boyfriend and me
    and my better-half.                                            
                                                                   
    -Tony_who_hasn't_even_bought_his_ticket_yet_but_will_do_SOON !!

    I'll be going !!!
    Even if I have to hitch !!!
    
    Seeeyaaawwll there !!
    
    Allen

    A ticket !!!!
    
    I knew I forgot something !! 
    
    Allen

    I would like to find out if anybody would be interested in arranging
    an eyeballing session down at C. Donnington, before or during the
    concert. I will be travelling down from Ayr with a party of 10 on
    Friday morning so we should arrive late Friday afternoon in time
    to enjoy the festival spirit before the concert.
    
    Mark
    
    P.S. I know its difficult to find anyone at Donnington but I managed
    	it last year.

    
    
    I had enough difficulty finding my ol' dunk (read: mother) at
    Donnington, and I've known what she looks like for the past 17/18
    years !!!!!
    
    I'll give it a try though, if U like.
    
    -Tony 

    
    
    	I'm going down with a minimum number of 12, and we'll be sitting
    under an Iron Maiden flag, more than likely.  Just look out for
    the mass of drunken bodies.  Also I'll probably see ya at the bottle
    fight.
    	Back to the question, Yeah an eyeball could be a good idea.
    
    See ya'll there,
    			The Duck.

    We will be going to the camp site on Friday and will try to get
    parked next to the enterance gate to the campsite so that we can
    tie the scotland flag to the fence. We will also be meeting a few
    friends from England under the Dunlop bridge after the first band.
    So look out for the flag if you are there.
    
    cheers
    Mark

Need to know the details - How was it.
    

re: -1

> Need to know the details - How was it.
    
Yeah, I was wondering the same. I heard that HM did not show it's best
face there this year. Something that there was a 'stampede' in the 
crowd, and at least two kids died. Anyone have any details?

cat

    
    
    	Tony?  Were you there??
    
    	I was listening to AAF this morning and they said that Iron
    	Maiden issued a statement saying something to the effect of
    	this....
    
    	They were hoping this particular show was going to be the
    	highlight of the career, but instead it became a tragic 
    	day filled with sadness.
    
    	From what I understood, two kids were trampled and died,
    	two are in critical condition and a few others were 
    	hurt.
    
    	Tig~~
    

    There was a stampede when Guns N' Roses hit the stage, two
    people were killed on the day and since then the two in
    hospital have died.  I've heard that they are now trying to 
    ban the Donington Festival.
    
    I thought the best act of the day was Dave Lee Roth - 
    Maiden's show was excellent but the sound was terrible.
    Can't remember what songs they played, perhaps Tony
    or MoshDuck can help you out there.
    
    Guns N' Roses seemed to slow their songs down when they 
    what was happenning to try and calm the crowd down - they
    certainly made a quick exit from the stage!
    
    Philippa

    PS:  Iron Maiden played a three hour setand in their own words
    	 they are *not* splitting up!

    Some of the tunes I remember Maiden playing (I'd been knocking
    back the home brew since 6 o'clock that morning, they didn't
    hit the stage til after 8pm.):
    
    	Moonchild
    	22 Acacia Avenue
    	Iron Maiden
    	Infinite Dreams
    	Can I Play with Madness
    	Run to the Hills
    	Sanctuary
    	The evil that men do
    	The Number of the Beast
    	The Prisoner
    	Running Free
    	Seventh son of a seventh son
    	The Clairvoyant
    	2 Minutes to Midnight
    	The Trooper
    	Heaven can Wait
    	Wasted Years
    
    Not in that order.
    
    Philippa

    Add Wrathchild to that list!
    
    Philippa

    This was the third Donington that I've attended and seemed to be
    the worst for the quality of the sound although it seemed a lot
    louder than ever before.
    I stayed about half way back for most of the concert as I have
    experienced what it's like down the front before. The band that
    really surprised me was Helloween, I thought their set was excellent
    even if their sound was slightly off.
    I was very dissappointed with the vocals from G&R's,Kiss and Iron
    Maiden although Bruce did seem to have mic. problems. Its hard to
    be subjective about Iron Maidens set as by this time I had moved
    near the front and you tend to get carried away by the atmosphere
    of the crowd and by the stage set but they certainly appeared to
    be brilliant.
    Did anybody else stay in the Campsite the night before as that
    must be just as entertaining as the concert itself. I witnessed
    2 car crashes in the campsite within � an hour and somebody ran
    over the guy ropes off my tent on a bike about 3.00am.
    
    p.s	Anybody going to the Europeon Monsters of Rock?

     
    Well people, I'm back.
                     
    Me and my girlfriend pushed our way to the front, clad with gallon
    containers filled with beer and plastic bin liners (My over half
    bought her camera - gulp!! - got some goodish GnR pix).  We were
    about 30 feet from the stage, just offcentre.  We were swaying about, 
    lost in the sea of people for what seemed like ages when HELLOWEEN
    were announced, and they leapt on the stage, drums pounding with
    the familiar DUM DUM DUM DUM DUMDUM DUM DUM DUMDUM filling my ears,
    we got knocked about something chronic and I think I accidentally 
    stubbed my ciggy out on this guys neck in front of me 8-|, but we were 
    being pushed about sooo much by the time he had said words to the
    effect of "ouch" (or more like "what f****** little w****r did that" 
    etc..) and looked round we were away from him.  I could smell the 
    familiar smell of WACKY BACKY in front of me and looked up, only to 
    notice a plastic bottle shoot over the top, like a sodding Cruise 
    Missile !! 
    
    I was trying to watch the show when my other half said "Tony, you're
    taller than me, take me a picture please" there I was, fighting to
    stay on my feet, and she wants a friggin' picture !!! 
                                                          
    Backstage, I bumped into Steve Harris at the bar, and we saw Lemmy
    and Wurzel from Motorhead, and Bob Catley from Magnum.
     
     
    It was a real shame about the kids who were killed.  Four American
    Serviceman were also stabbed nearby, I don't know if they are ok.
    The crush when Guns N' Roses came on was unbelievable.  I lost my
    girlfriend, but who care ;-)  the pounding beat of "Its So Easy"
    was holding me to the groud, and hell nor fire was gonna move me.
                      
    BTW - GnR played a new track called "Patience". "twas good.
         
                 
    -Tony

    Tony,
    
    Did you get hit with the purple paint that was flying around when
    Maiden was on?
    
    Philippa

                                           
    
    Er... no, did you ?? (dare I ask :-)  )

    Good to hear from you, Tony!  I was starting to think YOU got stomped.
    
    gh (whose been out a few himself)

    
    
    Naw, I'm unstompable  ;-)

    
    
    	Here we are again, but this time it's 1989 and probably no hope
    of any moshing this year.  After a long telephone conversation with
    an unmentionable it appears that three bands may already be lined
    up for this years Castle Donnington.
    
    	Poison...yeuuuch!!
    
    	Multey Crow...more yeuuuch!!
    
    	Whitesnake...aaarrrggghhh!!!
    
    	Mind you, this came out of Kerrung! so it's all probably wrong.
    
    	Surf's up...
    		THE Count MoshDuckula.

    
    
    Yup Looks very promising, I wonder how the rumours will change
    throughout the year.
    
    I'm definitely going, are we gonna get a charabang and all go up
    together ?
    
    I'll drive !!!!!!!   Heh Heh - We'll get there quicker.
    
    P�rky.
    

    
    I have just heard an unconfirmed rumor from a certain radio station
    that another band on the bill are gonna be Cinderella.
     
    Looks like a womens meeting so far.

    Remember Reading Rock '88?

    This is true!!!

    Vixen and Femme Fatale are on the bill!
    
    
    Flip
    

    
    Jeezuz, this is gonna be yum yum city

    
    Flipper, you are not giving it a miss - not if we are going to hire
    a bus down there and sleep over night there.
    
    Mosh - Darron - (Giles?) You guyz still coming ??

    If you make me go, I'm gonna sit in the beer tent the whole time!!!!!
    
    
    Flip

    
    You will anyway !

    Just in case you haven't heard. Castle Donnington won't be on this
    year.
    
    It seems as though the local authority and the organizers couldn't
    agree on various terms in the license.
    
    In effect, around a month ago, the authority granted a license but
    specified a crowd limit of 70 000. The organizers appealed. By a
    week ago, the terms of the license still weren't acceptable, and
    the organizers are going to court over the issue.
    
    As with all legal processes this will take an inordinate amount
    of time which will mean (what ever the outcome) there will not be
    time to arrange a festival this year.
    
    So, bottom line, the organizers have cancelled this years show but
    will continue to work with the authority and the legal people to
    ensure that a proper bash can take place next year.
    
    Keef. (who's sorry to be the bringer of bad tidings for those thinking
    	   of going to Donni).
                             

    
    8^(

    
    It was announced last night on the radio that Castle Donington 1990 has
    the official go-ahead!   Yeeeaaahhhhh!!!!!
    
    This will be Donington's 10th anniversary and will be held on August
    18th.
    
    Bands who seem likely to play are:
    
    	Whitesnake
    	Heart
    	Poison
    	Quireboys
    	Aerosmith
    
    and I've also heard that Rush may get a special guest slot.
    
    Flip
    

    
    W O W !!!!!
    
    F*@#$%^ best lineup yet!! (with the exception of Poison).
                            
    Are we gonna hire a mini bus, like we were going to last year ??
         
    -Tone

    That really does sound like a good lineup!
    
    gh

    Hey Greg, why not come over here for it ??
    
    (the offer goes to anyone Stateside too)

    
    Yes, we'll definitely hire a van for the trip.
    
    Flip

    I heard in a Dave Coverdale interview on the Power hour, that there
    may be a series of smaller CD's around the country... perhaps three
    or four!
    
    If thats the case then we may be able to go to them all if they
    are held throughout the summer...
    
    
    Bonzo

    re: Tone
    
    I could just dream of that, I'm afraid.  
    
    )-;

    
    This year's event will have the front section levelled off and a
    non-slip surface placed on the ground.  Last time it was virtually
    impossible to stand up on the wet grass slope.  There will alot more
    officials between the stage and crowd so that they have more chance of
    helping anyone who's getting crushed.
    
    Flip

                        
    re: more officials
                        
    I can see it now ...
    
    "stoppit!! stoppit or I'll hit you wiv my orange vest!".

Out of the ashes of last years fiasco, Donnington 1990 (the tenth anniversary) 
rises like a Phoenix, with (IMO) the best line up ever.

For those who don't know the bill is as follows:

		
			W H I T E S N A K E

			 A E R O S M I T H

			    P O I S O N

			 Q U I R E B O Y S

			   T H U N D E R 


Whitesnake, with their one Brit, peddling some fair tunes. Lets hope they get 
back to their blues root soon.

Aerosmith, well what can you say about them, they're great.

This will be Poison's first gig on British soil (well it will be if they don't
erect the stage ;-)

Young hopeful Brits The Quireboys get some well deserved recognition after
slogging round the London (and other) circuits for severeal years. Great if you
like Rod Stewart.

And finally the best of the lot (again IMO) Thunder. This band really do some
excellent good ol' stompin' rock music. If you get the chance get their debut
opus "Back Street Symphony", or better still go and see them live, they really
are terribly good.

As for attendance ?

I suppose Flip, TTT, Moshduck and Keef will be well miffed as there is no mosh-
type music. Well tough ! I really will enjoy myself. Emma and I will be there.

So will we see anybody else there ?

    -1
    
    What was the problem with last years Donnington?!?

Basically, they had some reservations about the terms of the licence. Keef note
( -.2 or -.3 I think) gives a bit more detail. 

It's good to see it back.
Brynn.

                What's the date  for  this Brynn ?  Sounds like a
                good excuse to make a trip across the pond ! :^)
                
                METALord"�

    
    It's something like August 18th.
    
    Flip

         
    Us Brits are hiring a mini-bus and partying up in Donnington for
    the weekend, if anybody Stateside wants to make it across for the
    gig of a lifetime you're welcome.
         
    -Tone

I heard on the radio t'other day that tickets for Donnie 1990 are selling
very fast. If you haven't got one already do ASAP (I've also heard that
there won't be any available on the gate). I'd especially recommend anyone
coming in from other parts of the universe to make sure that someone gets them
a ticket before they set out (otherwise it could be a very expensive day trip)

Keef.

    
    
    
     Questions needing to be answered.
    
    
    
    
                    When was the first Monsters Of Rock at Donnington?
    
    
                    Who headlined that year?
    
    
    
    
                            Does anyone know?
    
    
    
                                             JoN |-)
    
                     

    
    It's with 1983 or '84 - round about the time of the last great Reading
    Rock.
    
    Flip

I think it was earlier than 83 ,I think the first one was 80 or 81.I
    went to that one the headliners were Rainbow with Judas Priest as
    the main support. I can't remember who else was on the bill that
    day,but it was 'kin hot and the sound apart from Rainbow was awful.
    
    steve
    

   Heres the official list for Donington:

    1980  First year saw Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow, The Scorpions,
	  Judas Priest, Saxon, Arpil Wine, Riot and Touch.

    1981  AC/DC, Whitesnake, Blue Oyster Cult, Blackfoot and Slade????

    1982  Status Quo???????, Ian Gillan Band, Hawkwind???, Uriah Heep
          and Anvil

    1983  Whitesnake, Cozy Powell??, Meatloaf, ZZ Top??, Twisted Sister
          and Dio

    1984  AC/DC, van Halen, Ozzy Osbourne, Garry Moore, Accept and
	  Motley Crue

    1985  ZZ Top (again????) Magnum, Marillion??, Metallica, Jon
	  Bon Jovi.

    1986  Doro Pesch, Bad News (who were), Def Leppard, Motorhead,
          Ozzy Osbourne (at his wierdest)

    1987  Wasp, Anthrax, Metallica, Bon Jovi, Dio (good cast, poor show)

    1988  Iron Maiden (whee), David Lee Roth, Megadeth, Halloween, 
	  Guns 'n' Roses, Kiss.  (2 fans die during Guns act)

    1989  No concert

    1990  Thunder (my band of the mo), Quireboys, Aerosmith, Whitesnake
          and Poison.    

    
    CASTLE DONINGTON MONSTERS OF ROCK 1990
    
    1st		Little Angels  (I'm going to make a p*ss bomb especially
    				for them!!)
    2nd		Queensr�che
    3rd		M�tley Cr�e
    Guests	Metallica
    Headliners	AC/DC
    
    Looks like a cool line-up for this year.  Moshduck and myself are
    definitely going to this one, see everyone there!!!
    
    Flip

    Hey Flip, when is it?  It looks like I will be coming to the UK for it
    this year.  Last year I saw it (sans Thunder) in Utrecht, but I am sure
    that CD is much more atmosphere.
    
    Maybe we can get together for it!
    
    
    Ga-ZAZ

    
    I dunno Gaz, it's usually around the second weekend of August.
    
    It'll be cool if you could come along!!
    
    Flip

    RE:.65
    
    	Is this 100% definite, 'cos I want my ticket NOW !!!!

    
    I know how you feel, it's the best Donnie line up I've ever seen.
    
    Flip

    But is it definite.

    
    Don't be so pushy!!!  Yes.
    
    Flip

    
    
    With the exception of Little Angels this is friggin' wicked!!!!
    
    -Tony (who sez he wants his tix now, but will leave if AC/DC play one
           single song from the previous two crappy albums!!!).

      Tony, I saw AC/DC a couple weeks ago and they only played 4 songs I
    believe from the new album. Money Talks, Razors edge, Thunderstruck,
    and I forget what the third one was. If you like AC/DC they still put
    on a good show; if you don't like them I guess you'll leave.
    
    Flip when do tix go on sale. I've been known to hop on a plane to see a
    good show.
    				The KER
    

    
    The tickets should be issued any time now, I'll let people know as soon
    as they do.
    
    Flip

    Flip, I love you!  (in the metaphorical sense (^8*).
    
    
    Ga-ZAZ
    

    
    Get a room! 8-)

    
    Metallica, Motley Crue and AC/DC (headliners) have all been confirmed
    for this years Donington Monsters of Rock Festival.
    
    Queensryche are almost definite.
    
    Opening act is a toss up between Black Crowes, Great White, Little
    Angels and Jagged Edge.
    
    Flip

    little angels are*not*playing at Donnington this year.I caught them on
    the radio at the weekend and they denied that they were playing.Maybe
    next year they say,maybe never I hope.
    
    
    
                                        Staynz

    I wanna go!

    
    So why don't you, Jesse?
    
    Flip

    How much? 

      I want to know the answer to that one also.
    				The KER
    

    
    So call a travel agent and find out how much a return flight would cost 
    for around the second weekend in August...that'sthe usual date. 
    Accommodation will be free, transportation will be free..I'll even pay
    for your Monster's of Rock ticket...the expensive bit will be the beer
    and the anti-pi$$/paint bomb clothing.
    
    Flip

    
    I'd love to go and see that too, but I want to go to LA this summer...

    RE FLIP.  Does that apply to me too?  I am definitely coming now!
    
    
    
    GAZ

    
    Sure...it's going to be a full house this summer I guess.
    
    Flip

    It's party time!  Flip will be organising a party around mid-July time
    for all DEC HMers and relatives and friends.  As a special favour she
    will be purchasing approximately 700 tickets for Donington Monsters of
    Rock concert, one for each attendee!  Bring sleeping bags!
    
    
    
    GAZ (I love to get girls into trouble)

      >>>(I love to get girls into trouble)
        
    I ain't even gonna touch dis one.

      Ok, I called one of the local travel agencies that I have dealt with
    before and they said that it would cost around $600 dollars for a round
    trip tix. They couldn't confirm a definite price without a definite
    date. So I take it I'm invited to this extravaganza also. I don't mind
    traveling a little to see a good show. I've already seen all these
    bands, with the exception of the opener, so I know it will be a good
    show. Plus it would be pretty cool to check out some of jolly old
    England. With the accomodations this may be an offer I can't refuse.
    		The KER(who needs more info when available)
    

    
    Cool.  If you come just before Donington and then stay for a coupla
    weeks, you could also catch the three day Reading Festival where
    Suicidal Tendencies, Danzig and Red hot Chili Peppers are rumoured to
    be playing!  8^)
    
    flip

    COME ONE COME ALL.  Flip is throwing a 2 week party sometime in July
    for all DEC HMers, their relatives and friends.  This party will
    coincide with the Donington MOR festival and the Reading festival for
    both of which Flip will be providing free tickets!
    
    
    
    GAZ

    
    
    
    Yeah!!
    
    Lets show the oversea's bods how posh us Brits *really* are!

    How much to get there ?? 8^)

      I live in S.C. and I was told around $600 for a round trip tix. Flip
    said she would cover all expenses except beer. I can deal with that.
    					The KER
    P.S. Doesn't Digital have some kind of plan or agency that gets them
    airline tix at a discount?
    

    
    There is a VTX 'conference' somewhere on travel, but I'm not sure if
    it's for personal use as well....  perhaps.  
    

    Ker...
    
    	We(GSO2)go through Piedmont Travel..ask for Joan..I delt with her quite
    abit...she's really helpful!
    
    B.A.

      B.A. thanks for the info dude. Well Flip its on you I need a definite
    date before I make any reservations.
    						The KER
    

    
    
    I know some available chicks... 8^)
    When do want a date anyway?

      Anytime I'm in the area.;^)
                The KER
    

    
    Stop bugging me for the dates, they haven't been issued yet!  8^)
    
    Hey Jesse, you'll be able to tell the tale of when you had your haid
    mashed to a pulp against the railings (like, bitchin' dude) down the
    front when Queensryche appeared at Donington!  8^)
    
    Flip

    
    Okey dokey, this year's Donington (according to Brynn) is on Saturday
    August 17th...the weekend before Reading Festival.
    
    Don't book anything until the dates and the bands have been confirmed.
    
    Flip

    
    Donington is confirmed!
    
    August 17th (Saturday), tickets cost �22.50 and go on sale on April
    20th.  They've limited the attendance to 72,500 so if you plan on going
    get them soon!!!
    
    Doors open at 10am and the first band goes on at 2pm.  
    
    
    	Line up:	Black Crowes    (Openers = SUCKERS!!!)
    			Queensryche
    			Motley Crue
    			MEtallice       (Special guests)
    			AC/DC		(Headliners)
    
    Flip

    	Line up:	Black Crowes    (Openers = SUCKERS!!!)
    			Queensryche
    			Motley Crue
    --------->		MEtallice       (Special guests)
    			AC/DC		(Headliners)
    
    
    
    Metallice? Is this what Astro from the Jetson's gets?

    
    You mean to tell me that it took you more than 24 hours to come up
    with that witty remark?!
    
    Flip
    
    

    Witty?!?

    Just ignore them Flip, maybe they will go away (^8*!
    
    How come AC/DC who are my least favourite on the whole bill are
    headlining?  IMO both Metallice(sp?) and Queensryche are bigger billers
    than them!
    
    
    GAZ

    AC/DC has been a headlining mainstay for the last 12 years!  MEtallice
    and Queensrhyce are babes in the woods!

    Just because a particular band has been a headlining mainstay for 12
    years, does not mean that they should remain that way!  AC/DC have not
    improved over the years (in fact some people would argue they got
    worse) while Qeuesnchyre and Ecatillem have both got better! 
    FACKs(tm).
    
    GAZ

    
      Respect!...that's what headlining is all about. Respect thy elders!
    
                             R.B.

     
    >                        -< AC/DC deserves it! >-
    
    	AC/DC deserves to be the road crew for Metallica.
    
    							GTI
    

    Yo Gaz, I'll never go away so just take it! Actually Flip it took me 24
    hours to even get back in here. So I jumped on that line the minute I
    seed it. 
    
    re GTI.
    
    

    
    AC/DC doesn't deserve headliner. They're barely hanging on to the talent 
    they once possessed in the song writing department. You know it,  I know, 
    and they know it. Sure, they're still great live but the new stuff
    isn't all there and I'll bet Metallica's last release has outsold by
    far the last release by AC/DC.
    
    /prc

    � isn't all there and I'll bet Metallica's last release has outsold by
    � far the last release by AC/DC.
    
    I don't think you can decide the headliner by commercial record sales,
    though I bet the record companies wouldn't mind. But no matter how much I
    reckon that AC/DC are going to become Status Quo's new rivals 8^), I
    stil think that thay shouldn't hadline a third year at Donnington (I think
    that's true), it's a bit much - why not rename it the 'AC/DC headline
    Donnington again' Festival. 
    
    			Just MHO,
    
    				Andy.

    I'm sure Metallica will headline one year but the support will have
    been on the rock scene for a shorter time.The formula for headlining
    seems to be popularity+length of time playing major venues,therefore
    if you apply this formula you'll see the results ie AC/DC headlining
    but I agree with the previous note,they should not have done it a 3rd
    time,give someone else a crack at headlining.Just my opinion!
    
    
                                     Staynz

    Get real Cook!  MEtallice(tm) will NEVER out-sell AC/DC.  After albums
    like Back in Black and For Those... (both No. 1 albums), they have the
    following to support them in headliner status the rest of their days!! 

    
    AJFA out sold the latest AC/DC release.

    So, and here is the final line-up for Castle Donington this year:
    
    
    		A Block Screw  (openers = SUCKERS)
    		Queers Nyche   (poetic licence applied for)
    		Creemy Lout    (poetic licence approved)
    		A Lame Clit    (Headliners)
    		CCAD	       (Binliners)
    
    
    	Taken without permission from Me A Malt HMer magazine.
    
    
    GAZ
    
    GAZ
    
    
    

>    AJFA out sold the latest AC/DC release.

    That really doesn't prove much, it didn't come close to the sales of
    "Back In Black".  AC/DC has much more mass appeal then Metallica ever
    will.  Metallica fits too much of a nitch market.  Yeah, they're doing
    much better then any of the other thrash bands around (due mostly to
    the airplay/video for "One"), but that's really not saying a whole lot
    in comparison to the kind of sales that really popular bands achieve.
    
    gh

    Case in point:  1985...Yngwie J Malmsteen opens the AC/DC Flick of the
    Switch tour.  Good ole Yng nearly got boo'd off stage!!  The fans
    there could have gave a sh*t about his solos and chops...they wanted
    to hear Angus play, as minimalistically as he does.  In fact, a lot of
    people were saying stuff like "that dude was ok, but no one plays like
    Angus".  Just goes to show you, ability isn't everything (is it 
    anything?).
    
    B.

    Ability don't mean de-a-de-a-de-a-de-a-didly. Except when it comes to
    sports, all music and musicians are controlled by a market. All you
    have to do is grab yer little corner and hang on while others are
    trying to knock you off that corner. In sports ability dictates how you
    do. Music is a farce!

    Da do ron ron ron da do ron ron!

    
    I take it that everyone has pulled out of the Donington Festival?
    
    Surprise me....
    
    Flip

    Nope, I'm going.

    Yup, me too.  Have to stay with my Wife's family though )^8*.  But I
    will see ya there kiddo!
    
    
    GAZ

      I would like to go, but with the new job it is out of the
    question.:^( Plus I have seen all the bands within the past couple of
    years.
    					The KER
    

    
    Yeah..yeah...spin me another one, why don't ya?!
    
    See you there GAZ!
    
    Flip

    Here follows a very short review of the Donnington concert 1991!  As it
    has already been covered fairly accurately in Metal Hammer (or was it
    Kerrang?) I don't intend to get into details.  Anyway it was so long
    ago that I cant remember it precisely!
    
    It was a beautiful day weatherwise!  My wife dropped me off at the gate
    complete with a gallon of best rats piss!  English beer is the worst in
    the world (sorry after French!).
    
    I found a convenient spot, next to some good looking girls, and settled
    down to wait for the first act.  Tried to find Flip behind the sound
    wotsit but was unsuccessful!  As I don't know what she looks like, it
    was not an easy task!  Still, got to talk to some nice girlys! (^8*.
    
    Why are the toilets so far away at Donnington?  
    
    OK.  First on was the Black Crowes!  They started off quite well,
    unfortunately they could not maintain it!  After the first 2 numbers
    they seemed to lose interest, so did I!  Dont think they are quite cut
    out for a venue like Donnington!
    
    Next on were Queensryche!  They started with 'Revoloution Calling'! 
    Was OK, but didn't really reach the parts that the beer was reaching!
    Best I Can, was definitely the best they could!  Really good rendition!
    Empire was a dead loss, way to complex for the Donnington arena!  They
    also played a few more from Empire and also The Warning and O:MC. 
    Don't remember anything from Rage though!  They went out with a whimper
    though by relying on Silent Lucidity for the final number!  Bad
    mistake guys!  Altogether, not too bad considering that again
    Donnington is not the sort of venue for them, nor the time of day! 
    Good atmosphere they generated!
    
    Motley Crue, well what can I say!  I disagree with Metal Hammer here,
    the Crue totally sucked!  Apart from the fact that every second word
    wotsisface came out with was a 'F' word!  Total scuzzball it was a
    mixed age group at Donnington and I wish they would tell bands to cool
    it!  I like some of the Crues stuff, but they definitely did not give a
    good account of it here!  Also not a good intro for their new album!
    
    Metallica.  Yaaaay, at last, a band too get your teeth into!  They came
    out with 'Enter Sandman' of course!  I can't remeber the sequence now,
    but I know that they covered the usual favs like 'Fade to Black',
    'Master of Puppets' (slight slip up by Kirk on that one), 'Ride the
    Lightning' and so on.  Can't remember anything from AJFA, but that is
    hardly surprising as they did that at their last Donnington and it did
    not go down well!  They also played a few things from their new album,
    and it sounded mighty fine!  I was not familiar with the album then so
    I did not know the titles!  Having bought the CD since I can safely say
    that it has replaced RtL as my favourite Metallica!  The boys really
    got the crowd going!  The air was just a solid mass of flying plastic,
    you had to see it to believe it!  Definitely Metallicas show!
    
    The wait for AC/DC was too long, so I only stayed for a couple of
    numbers and realised that it was just going to be 'more of the same'. 
    I really wish they could change just a little bit!  Bl**dy boring!
    
    By this time, I was suffering from a slight case of sunburn and too
    much bad English ale, so I decided to leave early before the crowds!
    
    All in all, a good days music, no particularly startling performances,
    but it was well worth going as there is nothing quite like the
    Donnington atmosphere!  Oh yes, and out of 73,000 people who attended,
    there were only 3 arrests (none for violence) so it also goes down as
    the most peaceful Donnington!
    
    
    GAZ

    Gaz,the toilets are not far away,why didn't you what ever other bugger
    does and p*ss in a bottle and lob it at some poor dude!
    
    
    
    
                                              Staynz

    I have never understood how anyone can stick their wotsit in a bottle! 
    If I tried that I would get stuck!  Anyway, I did what nearly everybody
    else did, in emergency (i.e. during an act) I used the sound stage. 
    Surprised it didn't sink and disappear with the amount of residual
    moisture that was floating around it!  In the break, I trudged all the
    way to the rear for a curry and a pee!
    
    That beer was really gutrot!
    
    
    GAZ

    You ate food from Donnington???........whatta guy,helluva lot braver
    than me.I p*ssed against the sound thingy and ended up with my boots
    utterly caked in mud as I sank into the newly created
    quagmyre(sp).Thank god for Dr Martin boots,is all that I say!!
    
    
    
                                                  Staynz

    The main thing i remember about the Kiss set is being slightly shocked
    at a girl taking a leak against the side of the stage.
    
    Still - if you`ve got to go,you`ve got to go.
    

    It was a good set......(not as good as Dio's support set in 87, but
    still good)......My memories....an woman in tight leopard skin trousers
    molesting her boyfriend to the sound of 'Heavens on fire'.....well at the
    tender age of 17 somethings make an impression :)
    
    MArk

    re a couple.
    
    I remember watching Dio and thinking "this is good" and then .......
    
    
                     
    
                                **BANG**
    
    .....being hit on the head by a 2 litre plastic bottle of piss!

    During Dio I got hit on the shoulder by a glass newcastle brown bottle
    full of similar unpleasnat substances.
    
    Did you go to donny last year???, the metallica bottle fight was one of
    the most spectacular....still a bloody pain in the A$$ though.
    
    Mark

    Not me,I've not been since DLR and Guns'n'Roses played(88??).The year
    Bon Jovi headlined,there was a "battle of the Somme" revisited bottle
    fight.Knee high mud,inter-continental bottle of pea flying everywhere
    and down pour.
    
                                                Staynz

    Yep it really rained in '87...are you going this year??? I cant...it
    looks great!

    I doubt it.All I know 'Maiden and W.A.S.P are playing and it would take
    a damn fine line up for me to head that far south.Who else is going to
    be on the bill?
    
    
                                                         Staynz

    Maiden, WASP, SLAYER, THUNDER, Skid Row, The Almighty
    
    Only one Cr@p band.....Skid row, makes a change for Donnington.

    well I'm bored with Thunder,don't like Slayer,not keen on Skid Row and
    like very much The Almighty!Not really worth my while going!Ah
    well,there's always Milton Keynes!  8)
    
                                                  Staynz

    What is on at milton keynes this year?

    
    Don't know yet.Even Reading looks ok(well kinda)
    
                                                     Staynz

    Yeah, the saturday I think :).
    
    Anyway I am spending enough money on concerts this summer so I can do
    without the added expense of the traditional 5 or 6 Donington T-Shirts
    :)

    5 or 6......!Bloody hell,the most I ever bought was 2.
    
    
                                                         Staynz

    This year would have definately been 6...all bands except for Skid Row,
    plus the Event shirt :)
    
    I suppose i will have to settle to listening to it on Radio1 :(

    aye,on the radio with a "few" beers!  8)
    
                                             Staynz

    WASP on radio1....??? without the aid of a censor???, dont seem
    possible :)

    remember a few years back they were live on telly on a rock around the
    clock thing??Blackie Lawless comes on stage and shouts.....
    
          "Hello Britain,I don't know about you but I want some pussy"
    I could just imaging the director general of the BBC having a seizure!
    8)
    
                                                Staynz

    Seeing that it`s the most popular open air concert in the UK all 
    year,surely the TV people should be showing it?
    
    Then again,i guess it`s not full of people doing a lot of sensational
    work for charity and looking sincere.
    
    ho!ho!
    
    etc.
    

    At last years Donny, they were giving out leaflets about a video which
    was about to be released, with footage of all the acts who have
    appeared..this seems to have died in the pipeline.
    
    And it should be on TV...think of it, Tommy Vance on BBC2 live all day
    :)

    Tommy Vance on BB2 live all day? Nay! I suggest Nicey and Smashy 
    get the spot. 
    
    Nicey: And Here's me all time favourite band of all time! 
    Smash: Yep, I like WASP dont yew mate? Think there the best 
           type WASP band we've got. 
     
    Both: Let's Rock!
    
    I never made the trip to Donnington as it never appealed, even though
    "one o me all time favourite bands of all time", Blackfoot, played there
    in 1981(?) All that queuing for a slash, burger or a beer and the
    trouble taking drink into the site was too much for me and I much
    prefer multi day fests. The best organised is still Glastonbury.
    Attended the odd Reading festival though and was privileged
    to be present when Dee Snider offered all the bottle throwers
    side-stage for a fight after the show. He was a showman and a half that
    Snider. 
    
    barry.
          

    NOBODY queues up for a pea.They all do it into a bottle and chuck it at
    some poor bugger or they head off for the sound desk in the middle of
    the field and pea against that.I wouldn't eat or drink anthing from
    that place as botulism(sp)does not appeal to me...!
    
    
                                                Staynz

    
    That's disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    
    
    That's facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    

    
    Staynz....
              Are the Almighty playing at the Cumbria thingy
              this year..??
                            Doogz

    don't know if there is a Cumbria thingy this year.Most of the bands that
    usually play at the Cumbria rock are playing at Donnington.
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    re.34
    nope,no Castle D fer me.I'm blowing all my cash in other ventures plus
    the line up isn't so great.Of the line up the best (for me)are the
    Almighty amd W.A.S.P,the rest I can live without!
    
    
    
                                                  Staynz

    Other than Skid Row, which I admit loads of people like, I think this
    is probably one of the best Doningtons for years. Perhaps only beaten
    by the lineup in 86 :) Ozzy, Scorpions, Warlock, Motorhead, Badnews and
    Def Leppard.
    
    I've seen the Almighty twice, they are great.
    
    But I do honestly think Thunder are the best british HM band since the
    NWOBHM.

    personally,I thought the line up of '84 was a belter...
    AC/DC,Van Halen,Motley Crue,Gary Moore,Ozzy,Y&T,Accept.Never to be
    repeated............!!
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    True. But the actual gig didn`t live up to expectations if i remember
    correctly.
    

    the thing was,at the time Kerrap gave VH a big pile o' abuse saying
    they were rubbish and if you read Kerrap now,they say that was the
    pinnacle of their careers.I don't know about the rest,that's just the
    bit that stuck in my mind!
    
                                               Staynz

    Who's the line-up this year for Donnington (sic?)?

    as far as I can remember
    
        Iron Maiden,Skid Row,Slayer,Thunder,Almighty and I think thats it
    unless someone wants to correct me!

    
    W.A.S.P included///

    Re: last 2
    
    Thanks, sounds pretty good to me.  Slayer live is awesome!
    
    Chad

    Donnington 1992. Anyone go? It must have been a quagmire considering
    the rain? Or perhaps quagmire best describes the line up? He! He!
    
    barry.

    
    I was there!  It wasn't too bad in terms of being a quagmire but
    everyone did get soaked, and frozen.  Which accounts for the numerous
    fires that got started to try and warm everyone up a little.  I
    actually saw a guy set his coat on fire ;^), most amusing.
    
    The PA system was shit at the start, but then I was standing in front
    of one of the relay towers.  Added a neat phase effect to Slayer's
    pleasant little tunes!
    
    Not as good as last year, but then Metallica and Queensryche weren't
    there.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	MattB

Radio 1 FM covered the whole thing "live" (I'll explain the use of the
quotes later). That is what I spent all of Saturday listening to, much to
the chargin of my SO (then again, she gets to see as much of Wimbledon
and Soap Operas as she wants!), and the delight of my two sprogs (aged 4 and
2)!!

The Almighty sounded great. W. A. S. P. sounded a bit messy, but then again
I was being hounded by the sprogs for something to do (it was RAINING HARD).
Thunder sounded OK as did Skid Row. 

The IM set sounded superb -- 2 hours.

Keef.

    You lying get - you said you missed the Almighty.
    
    

OK, some additional explanation is needed here for those in the colonies
and those who had the pleasure of not being in my household on Saturday.

Radio 1 FM is a national radio station here in the UK and they broadcast all
of the Donnington bash. However, to cut down the delays between acts
(I can think of no other reason!), they started broadcasting 1 hour AFTER
the show started. This meant that they were broadcasting tapes of one
band whilst taping another. They caught up by the time that Iron Maiden
were on, and their set (2hrs) was covered live.

Now, as I mentioned I was having to maintain some sort of domestic decorum
whilst listening to THE event of the year. So I decided to make tapes of
the sets for my personal listening later (ie, NOW) -- perfectly legal in
case any of you are worried.

I missed the Almighty because they started the tape of them EARLIER than
published in the listing magazine (the Radio Times). At that point I was
in the middle of some culinary complication which meant I couldn't start 
the tape recorder until they were half way through their set. Yet in the Kitchen
I had another radio tuned to the concert and from what I heard the
Almightly sounded GREAT. 

All these complications of my personal circumstances are of no interest to
many of you, but explain why I didn't manage to get the Almighty on tape.

All I can say is a big thank you to Radio 1 FM (part of the BBC) and the
bands concerned for broadcasting the event. It sounded great from my end!

Keef.

    > it sounded great from my end.
    
    Oooerrr! A backside that blasts out Iron Maiden? Get this man
    on Novelty Island I say!
    
    8^)
    
    barry.

>>However, to cut down the delays between acts
>>(I can think of no other reason!), they started broadcasting 1 hour AFTER
>>the show started


  Wouldn't be so they had a chance to edit out any naughty bits would it?? :-)

    Probably needed some time to wipe the piss off the stage...8)
    
          Friz
    

>>Wouldn't be so they had a chance to edit out any naughty bits would it?? :-)
    
    I think your actually right about this, when Maiden came on they said
    that all the previous bands recordings had been cut to remove some of
    the 'naughty bits'.
    
    This year was my 5th time at the Monsters of Rock since 1984 and I
    think it must have been about the smallest crowd - I managed to stay
    down the front for the most of the Maiden set without getting crushed
    and the queues for the Toilets were not that bad. 
    
    The sound system sounded crap for most of the day unless you were right
    down the front but thats not unusual for Donington.
                                                      
    Cheers
    Mark
        

    I taped some of the Maiden set just out of curiosity a sort of 
    let's see what they're up to these days. And...................
    quite frankly I think they should've give up a long, long time 
    ago. 
    
    All the classic Maiden styles were in there, problem being they 
    were in the new stuff as well. You know, there's the galloping 
    song where Harris' bass is louder than the guitars, the epic 
    slow & doomy start with a breakneck finish, and the chugging
    -punchy type number with Nicko's very, very familiar fills. 
    Poor old Maiden, they've become a parody of themselves when
    they should've died with their boots on. Give up now 'Arry,
    please?   
    
    barry.

    re: -1
    
    I don't get it!  You people put down Metallica for changing their
    style, and you also put down Maiden for keeping their style!  If you
    liked them before because of the way they played, what's the big deal?!
    
    Now if the songs aren't good, that's one thing, but to like them once
    because of their "galloping" style, and now to not like them for the
    same reason just doesn't make sense!
    
    I guess me and Criscobar are the only ones who know good bands when we
    hear them.   Except of course for Men At Work!  :')
    
    |KS|
    

    First off, I've never mentioned Metallica in this conference. 8^)
    As for Maiden well it's hard to put my finger on why they don't
    appeal to me anymore. Perhaps it's because they really have'nt 
    developed on from where I left off, circa "Somewhere In Time".
    
    Some bands I will accept the same old business from year in 
    year out because that's part of their appeal i.e Motorhead,
    Ramones etc but with Iron Maiden it's different. To me each one
    of the first four studio albums sounded different (yes I know they
    got a new singer after 2LPs) but still retained Maiden trademarks. 
    From thereon the band stagnated and everytime I hear a single or 
    catch an album track, I just think, well, what have they done which 
    has been worthwhile since 1984? It's probably because I expected more 
    from them when I should'nt have. 
    
    Maybe there's some truth in that saying that someone who hates something 
    or someone with a passion must have once loved that something or someone 
    with a passion. That possibly applies to a lesser degree here. Hang on,
    I'll stop this before it get's to slushy. 8^)
    
    barry. 
     

    
    RE: Ken
    
    	It's a double standard. Mighty hypocritical. 

    Iron Maiden to heavy metal is wot Kylie Minogue is to pop.
    
    

    Maybe because their sound is getting dated.  Metallica's old sound
    wasn't sounding stale to me.  
    
    No double standards here, the fact is that I don't like Metallica's new
    direction and I'm tired of IM's old sound.  The fact that I don't like
    Maiden's newer songwriting doesn't help that situation. It's like
    listening to the same album over and over for years.  I can't do it, I
    get tired of stuff after awhile and want to move on.  Moving on is
    fine, but it doesn't mean I'll like every change in direction someone
    does.
    
    gh

    
    Greg-
    
    	Iron Maiden's sound has changed. There's a big difference between 
    	Piece of Mind and Seventh Son. I can understand you don't like
    	the music, that's fine, just don't insult the artist. [not saying
    	that you do] 
    	

    .177
    Chris,
    
    That response is only allowed in Soapbox.  ;-)
    
    Steve

    
    Yeah... I know. I banged my head on the desk after I entered the note.
    
    

    Maiden haven't had a good song since "Charlotte the Harlot"...
    
    <insert picture of old man/flat cap/flat beer/whippet>
    I remember seeing madien 5 times within 2 years... and every song was
    magnificent.... and that was only... about 12 years ago!
    
    Bonzo

  >  <insert picture of old man/flat cap/flat beer/whippet>
                                                   ^^^^^^^
    You mean one of those N2O cannisters on a baloon?  Those'll make you go
    senile FAST!
                              

    ........em no!A whippet is a scrawney mutt that is used for racing!
    
                                                    Staynz

    Oh, these Scottish and American terms clash sometimes!

re: Chris,
    
>        Iron Maiden's sound has changed. There's a big difference between 
>    	Piece of Mind and Seventh Son. 
    
    I'm sorry, my ears don't hear much of a difference.  Their songwriting
    style is still very similar, the songs are still in the same keys, and
    the basic sound is very close.  Perhaps to a big fan, you can discern a
    difference, but about the only thing I hear is that Bruce Dickinson's
    voice has gone downhill badly and that they replaced one guitar player
    with someone who plays a little differently.
    
>    I can understand you don't like
>    	the music, that's fine, just don't insult the artist. [not saying
>    	that you do] 
 
    If I don't, then why'd you say that?   	
    
    gh
                                                

    
    >> I'm sorry, my ears don't hear much of a difference.  Their songwriting
    >> style is still very similar, the songs are still in the same keys, and
    >> the basic sound is very close.  Perhaps to a big fan, you can discern a
    >> difference, but about the only thing I hear is that Bruce Dickinson's
    >> voice has gone downhill badly and that they replaced one guitar player
    >> with someone who plays a little differently.
    
    	To me I guess. I listened to it more than once. ..And Bruce
    	Dickinson's voice was AMAZING on 7th son.
                 
    >> If I don't, then why'd you say that?   	
    
    	For the benefit of others reading. Remember this is a public forum
    	not a two man arguing court.
    
    

>    >> If I don't, then why'd you say that?   	
>    
>    	For the benefit of others reading. Remember this is a public forum
>    	not a two man arguing court.
    
    Oh, I thought maybe you wanted me to say "they suck" or something.  ;^)
    
    gh

    
    Naaaa. I know you think they Suck.
    
    ;')

    I don't, but I'll say that...if you *really* want!
    
    gh