Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    MY FRIENDS REMEMBER....
    
                   The World is full of Kings and Queens,
                   Who blind your eyes and steel your Dreams,
           
                          IT'S HEAVEN AND HELL
    
    
                                         SO     L O O K    O U T !

  
    Could you perlease use more lower-case letters.  Its doing my head
    in !!!!!!
    
    What do you think of "Eternal Idol"??  I bought it and was soooo
    disappointed!  H&H is my fav. Sabbath album.  My mother is a Tony
    Iomi freak - she's got all his stuff. (My mother is 40+!!!).
                                                                
    KR                                                          
    -T	                                                        
                                                                

    What about Live Evil?? that album kicks serious @$$!!!
    
    I also got this album called ATTENTION BLACK SABBATH, its got some
    real old stuff like Iron Man and Paranoid, and  Witch Hunt, Its
    pretty killer. My fav-er-it  Sabbath tune has gotta be Iron Man
    or Paranoid, but War pigs and Mob Rules are also pretty hot.
    
    
    the devil dog has spoken     

    My favorite Sabbath tune (with Ozzy)
    
      "After Forever" on Master of Reality
    
    My favorite Sabbath tune (post Ozzy)
    
      "Children of the Sea" on Heaven and Hell
    
    Alan S.

    Ah yes, Sabbath.
    
    Into the Void!!!Behind the Wall of Sleep...Sabbath Bloody Sabbath..
    Symptom of the Universe
    
    I remember my mom bought Master of Reality when it came out.
    Played it to DEATH. They were awesome at the Calif. Jam.
    
    -Rey 

    Cookster, I have to totally disagree with you there. I saw just
    about every tour of Sab's from Sabbath Bloody Sabbath to Born Again
    and the Born Again show was awful. I didn't think that Gillan really
    fit in, at least not on stage. I thought that the best number they
    did that night was Smoke on the Water. Maybe I was just in a bad
    mood that night because if I remember correctly Quiet Riot opened
    for them. Kevin Dubrow sssssss. Maybe it was just a bad night for
    the band. Coming from another Maiden junkie 
    
    -Rey

    
    	   My brother introduced me to Sabbath, which is totally
    	off the wall, since he hated metal.  My fave at the time
    	was Iron Man, and for that matter, still is.  That's mainly
    	because I haven't checked them out in years... must make
    	a note to do so real soon.
    
    	- Greg

    I really like the stuff they did with Dio. Heaven and Hell is probably
    my favorite Sabbath album. Ozzy's Speak of The Devil kicks some
    serious butt. Too bad Randy Rhodes was'nt around to do that album.
    
    
                                                Chip "The Wizard" Roy
    

    
    Could someone write the titles of all the albums (preferably in
    order) in this note?  Thanks in advance.

    
     -1, I'll try to keep them in order of release.
                  w/Ozzy
           1)Black Sabbath
           2)Paranoid
           3)Master of Reality
           4)Volume 4
           5)Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
           6)Sabotage
           7)Technical Ectasy
           8)Never Say Die
           9)We sold our souls for rock and roll(Greatest hits)
          10)Live at Last (Not on Warner Bros.)
           
           Then there are a bunch of Compilations like Attention Black
          Sabbath and greatests hits vol 1 
    
               w/Dio
           11)Heaven and Hell
           12)Mob Rules
           13)Live Evil
    
               w/Gillan
           14)Born Again
    
               Tony Iommi Band called Black Sabbath
           15)Seventh Star
           16)Eternal Idol
                                
                                    Rich

    RICH,
        CONGRADULATIONS 
    
             IM GLAD TO SEE YOUR UP ON SABBATH MANY PEOPLE NOW
    ADAYS FORGET A ALLTIME GREAT BANDS.

    Has any other band ever composed as many songs about mental disorder
    as the sabs ? eg
    
                    Paranoid
                    Megalomania
                    Am I going insane
                    etc etc.
    
    lets get a full list of all their songs on this lighthearted subject.
    
    john

    Pink Floyd wrote more songs about going crazy...
    
      ...but that's another subject!
    
    Alan S.

    Somebody mentioned that the new Eternal Idol album was boaring.
    I have a completely differrent view of that album that should
    be noted here.
    
    The Eternal Idol is one of my favorite albums now.  It's full of
    wicked guitar riffs and excellent songs.  My favorite song from
    this albus is It's a Hard Life to Love.  Great for a saturday morning
    when you wake up from a bad dream.  Puts things back into perspective.
    
    
    I wasn't too impressed with the Ian Gillen concert at the Centrum
    ethier, but I do like the album.  I truly enjoy the song Disturbing
    The Priest off of the Born Again album.
    
    Black Sabbath is still my favorite, and the best part is that they're
    still putting out excellent material.  
    
    Later...	Ron

                                             
    RE.16
      
    Er....Isn't it 'A Hard Wife to Love' ????
      
    -A confused 'Eternal Idol' disliker

    I wouldn't know, I'm not married.
    
    I'll ask around.

    The correct title of the song mentioned in 38.16 on the Black
    Sabbath Eternal Idol album is not "Hard Wife to Love, but "It's a
    Hard Life to Love".  At least that's what he's saying on my CD.
    
    Maby your CD is broke?  Or maby is's some Freudian thing...
    
    Ron
    

    
    Are you sure ???? Are you listening to it, or reading the sleeve
    notes ???
    
    I think you'll find I'm right.

                <Smoking and Tripping is all that you do>
                
    Does any body out there share my opinion that Fairies were Boots of
    the Album Paranoid, is about walking home one night from the bar, 
    not knowing that somebody has put acid in your drink.
    And subsequently seeing fairies wearing boots ??????.
    
    Of course it could mean anything, Ozzy has admitted that all the
    Sabbath Albums were composed and recorded in a Drunken Stupor.
    
    Just thinking out loud, 
                             Jon.

    
    
    
    I never really thought about it either,EXELLENT song!
    
    
    P.S.   Tony's working on another Project with Drummer Cozy Powell

    
    
    I love that song.

    
    "Faeries Wear Boots" is by far Black Sabbath's coolest tune.  It's
    the kind of song that's great for us "Not only do I have to hear
    what's playing on my car stereo, but you do, too" types who like
    to crank it with the windows down and the sunroof open.
    
SEAN/BEER=LABATTS

    Heard a cut from the latest `Black Sabbath' album - `After the War'
    (If  I  remember  correctly)  The  song  was entitled, `Led Clones',
    and  sounded  similar  (but  not  completely) to Kashmir by Led Zep.
    Ozzy  Osbourne  was  mentioned  to  have  done  lead vocals on this
    album, but  I  didn't  catch all the details.  Rather descent sound,
    but  mellow  in  comparison to what I've heard before.  Anyone else
    have a review of this album ?
    
    METALord"

    
    Bite your tongue METALord.
    
    The album is ofcourse the new release by Gary Moore (who I was supposed
    to see in concert on Sun night, but it was cancelled coz of an absolute
    W@$%&R of a drummer called Cozy Powell). The track you mentioned
    "Led Clones" is one of the best digs at bands like Stinkdom Scum,
    who try to rip off Led Zeppelin. Hope that you found this info to
    your liking. By the way the album "After the War" is great. I would
    thoroughly recomend adding it to your collection. 
    
    Still on the Bright side I am going to see The Scorpions & Vixen
    tonight. And the Scorps have been in my top ten list since the "Animal
    Magnetism" tour.
    
    
    Bonzo.

    
    You will enjoy the show Bonzo - they both kick a$$.
    
    Led Clones is sung by Ozzy, yes ?

    Look Is there a new Sabbath album,I heard nothing about it,I went
    to many places last night looking for It, CAN SOMEONE ........
     
                     P L E A S E !!!  tell me if there is
                     a release date.
    
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Note 38.28                      + BLACK SABBATH +                       28 of 30
BTO::BAGDY_M "Headin' down a 1-way dead end street"   9 lines   7-MAR-1989 06:26
                      -< From what I heard, not bad. . . >-
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    Heard a cut from the latest `Black Sabbath' album - `After the War'
    (If  I  remember  correctly)
    

    As far as I'm aware there is no new album out as yet. The one mentioned
    in the note you copied is Gary Moore's new (and brilliant) album.
    
    Hope this helps,
    	Keef.

    
    Just got off the phone with the radio station that played that song
    `Led Clones' from `After the War'. . .there is NO new Black Sabbath
    album  out. . .it's  Gary Moore's, with Ozzy on lead vocals.  Sorry
    for the incorrect information.  

    METALord"_could_still_swear_he_said_Black_Sabbath_but_facts_is_facts

    Jeez, I don't know about the rest of you peoples but my favorite
    Sabbath albums have to be their 1st and Vol. 4. These guys were
    my favorite group for a while ( from "Master..." to "Sab. Bloody
    Sab." ) time frame (you know YEARS ago). As far as their new stuff-
    I hate to say it but I can't stand Dio (o.k. I hear the shouting,
    calm down) and I bought the album with Gillian (always liked the
    way he sang) and I even listened to "Seventh Star (?)", but I only
    got to listen to it once 'cause my turntable had a meltdown while
    it was playing - oh well! But IMO they just aren't they same Sabbath
    I used to know and love.
    
        Steve S.
    

    Yeah!
    Gimme Paranoid, Iron Man, and Electric Funeral anyday!!!!!!
      
    

    
      I too like the earlier BS material. However, I saw the Heaven
    and Hell tour in 1980 with RJD and really enjoyed it alot. One
    thing that I remember about this show is that Vinnie Appice was
    on drums. At the end of the show they introduced Bill Ward and
    he came on stage to take a bow. I never did find out why he was
    not playing, that night or maybe for the whole tour.
     On another note, I really like the BS material that Ozzy does
    on Speak Of The Devil. His band covered a couple of songs that
    I liked better than the originals, The Wizard for one that comes
    to mind.
               mike
    

I heard a copy of the new Sabbath record, and its gonna suprise a lot of
you! It is great!!!

Of course, it doesn't even really sound like Sabbath. It's very close to a
cross of Whitesnake and Dio (pretty ironic, eh?). And it looks like Tony
Iommi finally discovered signal processing (I mean besides an Echoplex). 8^)

I don't know who the singer is (it was just an advance cassette with no info
on it), but he sounded just like Dio on one song, and *just* like Coverdale on
another song. (I mean, it was so close, I thought they were doing guest
vocal appearances...).

cat

    Great!  I think that I like the early stuff best too.  But that's
    no slam on some of the Dio era material, as Heaven and Hell was
    at one time one of my favorite albums.  I still listen to it
    occasionally, but a lot of it sounds kind of dated now.
    
    gh

    
    
    
    Dated????
    
    No good music is "dated" dude!!!!!
    
    
    IMO!

    I didn't mean to say that I didn't still enjoy it, or that it was
    no longer good.  I was just trying to say that it has a dated kind
    of sound, you can identify the time period it was done by listening
    to it.  To me, Heaven and Hell has a very definate late 70s sound/feel
    to it.
    
    Greg 

    
    
    Everything is "dated" then!!!
    
    From Beethoven to Janes Addiction..
    
    8*P x 10,000
    
    F.

    re. .42
    
       That's right. Music is like fashions - whatever is "in" at the
    time, and unfortunately alot of the new groups who get signed have
    to sound like another group that is getting airplay at the time,
    or is being pushed hardest by a record company. Thus the same prod-
    uction techniques are used, similar beats, etc... That's how you
    end up with what can be classified as dated. (early '60's, mid '60's,
    late '60's, early '70's, mid '70's, late '70's...etc...) only now
    the time frame for a certain sound is a little shorter - like months.
    Also, top 40 usely depicts a certain sound for an era - it's not
    nescesarily (sp.) what people really want to hear - just what is
    being promoted at the time. And yes, even Beethoven is dated - but
    that doesn't mean it's not good. Well JMO anyways.
    
      Steve S.

    
    
    
    
    
    re .44
    
    thats my whole point!!!!!!
    
    Nothing is dated, or everything is dated.
    
    I say nothing is dated.
    
    8*P

     re.44
    
      I didn't say Beethoven wasn't good - I happen to own a few albums
    of his music along with Wagner, Stravinsky (sp.), Chopin... to name
    but a few. I can appreciate that kind of music. But whether or not
    LBV was good (or great) or not wasn't my point. Sorry you took such
    objection to it. I've  been exposed to the music business for quite
    a while and i've seen a lot of bands fall just because the weren't
    playing music that fit with the times -it's very unfortunate that
    record companies don't sign artists who's music is a little more
    timeless. But enough on that. Still, in my opinion music can become
    dated. Sorry I riled you.
    
        Steve S.

    
    
      I picked up the new Black Sabbath cd this weekend. Its called
    "Headless Cross". The line up this time is;
    Tony Iommi - Guitars
    Cozy Powell - Drums
    Tony Martin - Vocals
    Geoff Nicholls - Keyboards
    Laurence Cottle - Bass
    
     I really like this new effort by BS. My first impression of the
    singer was, Oh no a Dio clone! but after listening to it a few times
    I don't feel that way any more. Musically its really strong, the
    lyrics are ok (a little too heavy on the Devil thing). Iommi does
    some great guitar work and for all you Cozy Powell fans he really
    jams on this album, Don't let his work with ELP influence you.
    Any one else have it yet? and what are your thoughts?
                                                             mike
    

    
    Haven't picked it up yet - my rep is holding back wth it for some
    reason.

    Yeah, I picked up the new cd and must say it sounds great.  I thought
    it took a little getting used to, but after listening to it a couple
    of times it grew on me.  I'll agree, a little too involved with
    devil lyrics, but all in all a real good album.  My favorite song
    "When Death Calls," there is some serious jammin'.  
    
    		Enjoy, Mike

    
    
    
    NEW Album is great....(Headless Cross)
    
    Tony Martin has an intence Voice
    & still cant believe Cozy Powell is doing the Drums.

    		MY fav albums are "SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH" and "SABOTAGE"
    I think the best one ever was "BORN AGAIN" but I'm an Ian Gillan
    fan so it may be a bias opinion.
    
    				CB
    
    "I knew I wouldn't make it, the car just couldn't take it"

    
�    "I knew I wouldn't make it, the car just couldn't take it"
    
    I was *just* listening to this on the way into work today.  A very
    underrated BS album.....  Good stuff.  When it first cam out, I
    couldn't wait for the American release, so I got the Euro import
    (about 3 months earlier) - boy they don't know how to make good
    vinyl!
    
SEANB/BEER=LABATTS

    
    Neil Murray has quit Vow Wow and now joined Sabbath - fyi

    When did that happen.... it was only 2 weeks ago that Vow Wow were
    on Metal_Hammer with the perverse duo _The Bailay Bros_. And there
    was no hint of him leaving.....

    
    About a week ago I guess.

    
      Who is Neil Murray, I've never heard of him? And what does
    he play?
              mike
    

    
    His is the ex-Whitesnake (read: old bluesy stuff) bass player.

    
      Well now I know....... thanks
                                             mike
    

    Hello! 
    My name is Akihiro Akazaki in japan.
    I like BLACK SABBATH.
    I think BLACK SABBATH's BEST ALUBUM 
         "SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH,BLACK SABBATH Vol.4 and LIVE EVIL"

    THANKS!

   PS.Do you understand Japanese English?

    Yeah, you're doing great.  Welcome to the conference !
    
    
    
    				Scary

                RE: .72
                
                    Yeah, welcome to  the  conference.  Please be
                sure  to  introduce  yourself  in  the  METALhead
                roster note.  (Note #3)
                
                METALord"�

         WOW!  A Sabbath note!  I just found the Heavy Metal conference 
    and thus just found this note.  I'm psyched!  Black Sabbath is one
    of my top three bands.  I like all of their stuff with the Heavier
    tunes being my favorite.  The new albulm is fantastic.  Whenever I
    need a break from the monotonous top 40 I crank "When Death Calls"
    to put things back into perspective.  I saw Ozzy 2 nights ago at 
    the Cumberland County Civic Center in Portland,Maine.  Since I've
    never seen Sab, seeing Ozzy and Geezer together was a real rush.
    My favorite Sabbath albulm would have to be H+H.  My favorite 
    song is Sign of the Southern Cross.  It's so strong!  Has anyone
    heard the albulm from "Blue Murder"?  It's pretty good.  It has 
    a slight touch of Sabbathian influence.  I have most of Sabs material,
    but I don't have Never Say Die, or Master of Reality.  Any rec-
    commendations?  Good?  Bad?  By the way my least favorite album
    is Technical Ecstasy.  Something about it just doesn't do it for
    me.  Has Sabbath printed any lyrics to any of their albums beside 
    the last three?  I would appreciate any and all words I can get 
    my hands on.  Until then watch out for The Hole In the Sky.
    
    Jammin Jim
    

    A biased reply from another (old time) Sabbath freak.
    
    For me, their best albums are the first 4 (Black Sabbath, Paranoid,
    Masters of Reality, and Volume 4). For me, that's when there were
    at their best and most creative. Than again, I latched on to them
    when Paranoid came out!
    
    Apart from Sabotage, I'm not too keen on the later stuff. That's
    not to say (apart from Technical Ecstasy, and possibly Seventh Star)
    it's not good stuff. For me, it just doesn't match up to the earlier
    stuff, particularly when you consider the time that early stuff
    was recorded.
    
    In terms of influences (and I don't want to send this note off on
    a tangent here, if necessary we can discuss it elsewhere), I reckon
    most guitarists around are influenced by very few true originals
    (Tony Iommi, Jimi Hendrix, Ritchie Blackmore -- who is greatly
    influenced by Hendrix -- Eddie Van Halen, nad Eric Clapton). Same
    applies to volaists (for example, Ozzy, Robert Plant, and Ian Gillan).
    When all's said and done, Black Sabbath and their contemporaries
    have been GREATLY influencial.
    
    Sleeve lyrics? Well I can only speak here for the versions of albums
    I've bought. All were bought in the UK and most at the time of issue.
    Since then, some albums have been reissued in a different (read,
    cheaper) packaging without the lyrics. Off the top of my head the
    albums I have with lyric sheets of some sort or another are;
    
    Masters of Reality
    Volume 4
    Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
    Technical Ecstasy
    Seventh Star
    Headless Cross
    
    Hope this helps,
    	Keef.

    		Jim,
    
    	IMO Never Say Die is very similar to Technical Ecstasy. I like
    all of their stuff with NSD and TE as my least fav. I was not
    impressed with their Seventh Star either.
    
    				CB

    
    
    Well I'll Tell ya By far the New Album is Great "Headless Cross",I
    saw Sabbath June 3rd @ the Orpheum w/KingdomCome, And man It felt
    so good to see all Sabbath Fans go Nutz,They "ROCKED" the New album
    is by far Exellent.and as for Tony Martin (Vocals) he's got an Intense
    style,And as for Cozy Powell on Drums,,Well he speaks for himself.
    
                                          
                                       Tama
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    Hi,
    I completely agree ! Headless Cross is a very good album and is actual.
    It is on my favourite list and I listen it quite often.
    Regards, Sorin V.

    UK listeners may want to know that the Radio 1 "In Concert" program
    next week (13th October) is devoted to Black Sabbath. 
    
    I don't have too many details (as the Radio Times seems to think that
    Radio 1 doesn't deserve such things) but it appears that the concert
    was recorded on the latest UK tour in Manchester.
    
    The program goes out between 9pm and 10pm on Friday 13th (most
    appropriate!) right before the Friday Rock Show.
    
    Cheers,
    	Keef.

    
    YYEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Get the tape recorders ready !
    
    Anybody know the frequency "address" for Radio 1 and Capitol ?

    
    Capital Radio is on 95.8 MHz FM
         ^
         Note the spelling
    
    Radio One, varries depending where you are, 104.8 MHz in London. They
    also transmit on the Radio 2 Frequency for special events which is
    somewhere around 89 MHz.
    

    
    I thought it was 1053 or 1089!!!!
    
    Fip

    re .83:
    	Yes, but that's AM. This binge is definitely going to need FM.
    
    Radio 1 FM is still under development. As Tony says, 104.8 in London.
    Can also be found around the 98 MHz region (eg, 98.3 from the Oxford
    transmitter). 
    
    You'll have to twiddle those knobs and see what you can find!  :-)
    
    Keef.

    
    yup, that KHz AM (Medium Wave)
    
    But surely you'll want to hear it in glorious stereo ???
    
    
    
    Brynn :-)
    

    
    	What....are they having a Sabbath concert on the "air"???
    
    BK
    

	On 16-OCT, I went to BLACK SABBATH's concert .
	This was the first time I saw BLACK SABBATH .

	Their line was 

		Tony Iomi
		Tony Martin
		Cozy Powel
		Niel Murley
		Geof Nichols .

	The opening tune was "Headless Cross" .
	Main song of this concert was from "Headless Cross" and "Heaven
	and Hell" .

	Tony's guiter is heavy , Tony Martin's vocal is good ,
	Niel's bass is tite , Geof's back keyborads is nice ,
	and Cozy' drum is perfect !!

	I'm fan of Cozy since "Rainbow" .
	I wanted to see Cozy , this night I could see and listen Cozy .

	In Japan ,Cozy's popularity is lager than guiterist (band leader).
	Only Ritche Blackmore is even him .
	So I was happy and very excited this concert .

	I want more !!!!!

					Jun. M.

    
    
      Yea, he joined the line up with the latest release Headless
    Cross.
                mike
    

    
    Yeah, I saw Sabbath a month or so back and Powell was drumming.
    
    Not very impressive.

    
      I like Cozy Powells style, nothin flashy but steady as a rock.
    And whether you like him or not, he has a hellova drumming resume.
    Granted he hasn't stayed with anyone for a great length of time but
    I kinda admire the guy. Just my .02$
                                            mike
    

    
    I'm                                                               
    Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    JaMmin Jim here the biggest Sab fan around!
    I'm using someone elses account so ignore the user name.  It's great
    seeing this note actually get some action.  How is everyone doing! 
    Please excuse me if I break any noting protocol as it's been awhile.  I
    just got back from college and will be here for a few weeks. , Until
    then we shall let the Mob Rule.

    
        RE:-1
    >>JaMmin Jim here the biggest Sab fan around!
             
    
    Really and I thought I was  ;^)
    
    tama
    

    SABBATH DOES KICK
     
    DO YOU REMEMBER THE TIME OZZY SAID
        "F**K YOU R.J.DIO I AM IRON MAN"
                                       AND PLAIED THE BEST I.M. I EVER
    HEARD HIM OR ANYONE SING.OZZY IS TRULY THE ULTIMATE BUT DIO HAS A GREAT
    VOICE FOR METAL.....

    
    	Hey dude....wanna do us a favor...unlock you Caps?!?!?
    
    	And you should introduce yourself in 3 if you havent already..
    
    BK
    

    
    
         As I've said many times in the past Sabbath Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!
    
         The one the only the original--SabFan.
    

    
    
    
    >> The one the only the Original--SabFan.
    Yep' and here I am
    
    
    Tama who Rocks to Sabbath all the time from Black Sabb 1968 to
    Headless Cross 1989
    
    
    tammath

    
    
         Tama, do you have any or know where I could get my hands on some
    bootleg Sabbath live stuff?
    
    SabFan who says the more the merrier in Sabbath appreciation
    

    
    
         Reply 100!  Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    SabFan
    

    
    
    Ye you beat me to it ;^)
    
        Ummmmm I believe Rocket Records in Nashua n.h. may or can order
    it...
    
            What Im looking for is LIVE EVIL on video tape w/Dio
    
    I could have ordered it before for $71.00 Bucks  Tooo much Money
    
    ANY got it  ???????????????????????
    
    
    
    tama 

    
    
         Oh Thanks Pete!  "Anyone in the MASS area" 8^)  I've never
    
    seen a SabbathPoster with the band on it.  Especially with Dio.
    
    Tama: $71.00?!  Man!  I love Sabbath but not quite that much!
    
    Where did you say you could have ordered it from? 8^)
    
    SabFan
    

    
    
    This was about 2 years ago at Rocket Rec. Nashua,,,,I really
    
    wanted to see it,,Mvt 'bout 2 years ago on HM headbangers (Think)
    
    played Sabbath (Neon Knights) and Dio kicked on that tune, was great!
    
    
          So I wanna be selfish and see the whole bloody thing ;^)
    I got the Live Never say Never Video tape w/Ozzy sing'n  but
    what I saw with that one Video was truely Great!
    
    tama

BillWard comes out with an album. I don't know who is singing but it's pretty
good. The song I've heard had a strange athmosphere (mystical).

The album also features Zakk Wilde for some pieces.

Didier

    
    
    Bill Soloing??????????????????/  Hmmmmm
    
    
             Is Sabbaths new album complete yet !!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    Tama 

    I saw the CD in a store this weekend.  Ward was listed as the vocalist
    for most of the songs.  Wonder what that will sound like?
    
    
    						the bomb
    

    
    
    Whats the Album called
    

       RE: Ward
    
    		His voice really is pretty good. He sang "Its Alright"
    off of Technical Ecstasy. Things may have changed since then.
    
    
    				CB

I've heard another tune, and its sang by Ozzy himself. It really sound like 
Black Sabbath (no surprise). 

Sorry, but I can't remember the name of the album.

Didier

    
    Exellent,our old band use to play all Sabbath at one time 
    
    check out "Call of the Wild" off Headless Cross
    
    
    
    Tama 

    Does anyone recall hearing a story about Ozzy throwing puppies in
    the crowd at a Sabbath show and saying he wouldn't perform any more
    until the crowd killed the puppies and threw them back up on stage?
                                                                      
    The singer in RnR was trying to tell me that this was a true story
    and thats why he can't stand Ozzy.
    
    jc (Who can't believe *anyone* would kill a puppy on purpose)
                                  

    And he told two friends, and they told two friends etc...
    
    Thanks Pete.
    
    jc

    
    
    	It's a crock.  Like Pete said, the rumor arose after the bat biting
    incident.  Someone started the rumor and it spread like crazy.  Back
    when it happened, I can remember one big-time, radio talk-show host
    in Boston dedicated his show to the possibility of it occurring.  MSPCA 
    people were supposedly gonna attend the show to make sure nothing 
    happened.  Yeah, they just wanted free tickets. ;^)  I don't know
    whether they did attend or not.
    
    	I imagine the rumor hit most cities the tour hit.
    
    
    Paul 
                            

    If he actually tried doing that, he probably would of
    been locked up, when me and my friends were going to an
    Ozzy show we agreed if he did throw pupps out to the auidence
    would grab as many puppies as we could and leave as I'm sure
    most of the people would of done the same, but was all a bunch
    of B.S., he didn't even bite a bats head off, 8^)
    
    Tony
    

    
    Re: Pete
    
    	Yup, it was WBZ.
    
    	Dave Finnegan was the talk show host.  He's from me home town.
    
    
    Paul

    re. 122
    
    	Well, it wasn't deliberate, but he did bite a bat at one of his
    shows.   A fan threw a dead bat up on stage, Ozzy thought it was a fake
    rubber one and bit into it.  He ended up going through the full rabies
    treatment, ie. shots in the abdomen, very painful.  I remember seeing
    him on some talk show after this incident and will never forget what
    happened:  Ozzy was being his usual self, ie. the madman of rock 'n'
    roll when suddenly he turned to the camera and came completely out of
    character.  As a very serious and eloquent John Osbourne he warned the
    viewers about "never, ever biting the head off a bat".  I think he
    learned something about pain during the rabies treatments.
    
    Nevertheless, this incident added to his reputation and unjustly led to
    the dead puppy rumors.  They were a crock of SH*T!
    
    
    
    						the bomb
    

    
    
    
    Well I got it Bill Wards album,,,,
    
    Call        WARD ONE:
              Along the Way 
    
     Features two songs sung by Ozzy
                        played by Zakk Wylde
    
             Ummmm IMO the His Voice is hard to listen to,by that I
    mean the way it was Recorded (Bill Ward) there are Lyrics in the
    Tape Cover, The whole Album is about his Story relating to Drugs
    Rehabs. Jail, You know going under in life type of thing, I have
    to tell ya its a strange Album and may take some time getting Use
    to it,,But anything Sabbath or Old members put Out Tama Hits the
    store and gets em'
    
                        True devoted Sabbath Fan
    
    
    Tama

    How long ago was Jeff Fenholt a member of Black Sabbath?  What role did
    he play in the band?
    
    Thanks,
    Mike

	New album title is "TYR" , release on 5-SEP ( in Japan).

		Tony Iommi  - Guiter
		Cozy Powell - Drums
		Tony Martin - Vocal
		Neil Murley - Bass

	Produced by Tony Iommi and Cozy Powell .

    
    
    	Has anyone picked up the new album yet?  If so, how does it
    sound?
    

    
    
      Yea, I picked it out last night with the new QR. I haven't had
    a chance to listen to it yet. I'll be checkin it out tonight and
    will post some thoughts tomorrow. The title is TYR, and it is pack-
    aged really nice. The disk has to get a vote for originality artwork
    wise. If it sounds like it looks I'll be really pleased.
    
                                                             mike
    

    
    	Thanks,  lookin' forward to your inputs.  IMO it's been a while
    since Sabbath has put out something out decent and if it's any good
    I'll definitely pick it up.
    
    
    					Mike
    

    
    In a recent interview with Sabbath, Tony Iommi was quoted as saying :-
    
    "Few People can sing like Ozzy...
    ..few people would want to!".
    
    Agaga!

    
     Well I listened to it last night, and its OK. Not anything to rave
    about but there are a few songs that I like. I'm still not sure if
    it is just OK or whether or not its just that I'm so impressed with
    the Queensryche that I bought at the same time. Its not that its a
    bad effort, I will say its alot like Headless Cross. I guess I'm a
    die hard, I've listened to Black Sabbath for 20 years now, I always
    liked them and probably will keep buying their stuff. 
     Give me a few more days, maybe I can be more objective then.
    
                                                              mike
    

    
      IMHO......I really like this CD! I only liked selected cuts from
    previous material but have found that I enjoy the whole package this
    time around. They have a very Deep Purpleish/Whitesnake sort of sound
    with "TYR". I give it a thumbs up!
    
                              R.B.

    Original bassist, Geezer Butler has re-joined Sabbath.  Rumour also has
    it that Ronnie James Dio may be following suit...
    
    Flip

    
    re -1.  If that is true (re RJD) then won't he be selling out the guys
    in his own band.  After all 'Wolves' was a big hit for Dio!
    
    
    GAZ

    I don't think"Wolves" was any more a big hit then"Dream Evil".
    Not in the States anyways.
    Anyways,RJD plays with anyone he wants,but if you don't fit into
    "his"band--you're gone.
    
           Crazy_would_like_to_see_him_go_to_BS_Al

    Hmmm ... maybe Ronnie should hook up with Richie Blackmore and Yngwie
    Malmsteen ....
    
    
    
    They'd kill eachother off !   8^)
    
    Scary (who'd like to hear RJD singing backup for Mariah Carrie ... 8^)

    
    I'd love to hear what THAT material would sound like!

     
    You wouldn't hear the music for the bickering!
    
    RJD  I'm singing on this track, Ive got the best voice!
    
    YJM  No, its my turn!
    
    RB   Get outta here, this was made for me!
    
    Band  Oh F()ck! here we go again!
    
    
    GAZ

    
    It really does like as if Ronnie James Dio is going to rejoin Black
    Sabbath.  He is currently talking with the band after a good initial
    meeting before Christmas.
    
    A spokesman for the band said: "Ronnie has not rejoined the band yet. 
    They're havingmeetings but there's nothing concrete.  There are alot of
    details to be sorted out.
    
    "In many ways,the situation has been a media-led one.  Jounalists have
    said that the band has a great linie up, especially with Terry Butler
    rejoining, and now they need a great frontman, which Ronnie certainly
    is.  It's a case of waiting to see what happens."
    
    Flip

    Okay Sabbath fans, I need to know something.  Was a guy by the name of
    Jeff Fenholt ever part of this band?
    
    Mike

    
     Re. Jeff Fenholt
    
     I have all of their material, and have followed this group since
    their beginnings and never heard of the guy. I have heard other
    people asking the same question, who is he?
                                                 mike
    

    He's a Christian rocker who claims he's done some work with them at one
    time.
    
    Mike

    Yeah, I heard of that dope too.
    I person I used to work with was always trying to get me to go the
    thier Christain meetings, so of course she showed how this guy from
    Black Sabbath was gonna be there.  I think that Jeff Fenholt was his
    name.
    
    I didn't think that guy ever played with them, I thought I would know
    of him if he did...?
    
    Maybe he didn't mean the "Black Sabbath" we all know and love from
    Birmingham. ;^)
    
    P.S.  Heaven and Hell is in my top 20 all time greats, Kick a** if
    Dio got back with them.

    I really enjoyed Sabbath when Dio was with them.  However, I do like
    Sabbath now without him along with Dio as a solo artist.  I figure if
    they don't get together I will have double the pleasure.
    
    Byron

    Mob rules rules!
    
    steve

    
    I thought the Sabbath with Ian Gillan was HOT!

    Re RJD getting back with Black Sabbath, in my opinion Dio was Sabbaths
    least successful singer.  His voice works reasonably with his own
    material but I find it irritates me to hell and back when he sings with
    Sabbath!
    
    
    
    Ga-ZAZ

    
    I wish Ian had stayed with them longer. That concert was incredible and
    he did a WICKED job on the old material.
    
    /prc

    
    I think Dio was the best singer they ever had.  Ian wasn't bad either,
    but I liked RJD better.  Ozzy (or Ozzie in the Sabbath days) was
    pathetic.
    
    

    The Sabbath albums with Ozzy and Dio are classic, but I think Glenn
    Hughes is the best singer they ever had.  I can't stand the Born Again
    album.

    Glenn Hughes sucked when I saw him in concert...*I* could have done a
    better job!
    
    RJD gets my "best voice" vote!

    
     I thought there were alot of tunes on Born Again with IG singing
    that I really liked alot, Zero the Hero or something like that I
    can't remember exactly right now.
     I also thought that Heaven And Hell with RJD was a great album.
    Both have done a good job. Much better than whoever the guy is that
    sings for them now.
                          mike
    

    My favorite Sabbath albums was "Live Evil", Mob Rules, and Heaven and
    Hell, and Paraniod. 

    The best song they had IMHO was "falling off the edge of the world" but
    RJD isn't the best singer Sabbath has had
    
    
    
    
                                        Staynz.

     Sabbath, bloody Sabbath.
    
    
    Ga-ZAZ

    
BLACK SABBATH DISCOGRAPHY  v.1   22-OCT-1990
--------------------------------------------
by Sami Nurmela, University of Turku
Send any additional information to [email protected] or 
[email protected]
 
Asterisk '*' indicates the source of songlist (the US and UK releases
of some albums [notably Black Sabbath and Paranoid] have different
songlists, any information on these is welcomed!)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
1970  Black Sabbath
        6.20    Black Sabbath
        4.22    The Wizard
             :  Wasp
        9.44 :  Behind the Wall of Sleep
             :  Bassically
             :  N.I.B.
        4.30    Wicked World
             :  A Bit of Finger
       14.32 :  Sleeping Village
             :  Warning
 
       Tony Iommi: lead guitar / Geezer Butler: bass guitar
       Bill Ward : drums       / Ossie Osborne: vocals, harmonica
 
       All selections written by Iommi/Osborne/Butler/Ward
       Produced by Roger Bain for Tony Hall Enterprises
       Engineers: Tom Allom / Barry Sheffield
       -
       LP  Vertigo      V06       (UK 1970)
     * LP  Warner Bros  WS 1871   (Canada)
       LP  WWA          WWA 006   (1974)
       LP  Nems         NEL 6002  (UK 1976)
       LP  Nems         NEL 6017  (UK 1980)
 
 
1970  Paranoid
        8.49    War Pigs
        2.45    Paranoid
        4.26    Planet Caravan
        5.47    Iron Man
        4.46    Electric Funeral
        7.06    Hand of Doom
        2.27    Rat Salad
        6.07    Fairies Wear Boots
 
       Ozzy Osbourne: vocals / Tony Iommi: lead guitar
       Terry "Geezer" Butler: bass guitar / Bill Ward: drums
 
       All compositions by Iommi/Osbourne/Butler/Ward
       Produced by Rodger Bain for Tony Hall Enterprises
       Engineers: Tony Allom/Brian Humphries
       Recorded at Regent Sound and Island Studios
       -
       LP  Vertigo      6360 011  (UK 1970)
       LP  Warner Bros  WS4       (US 1975)
     * LP  NEMS         NEL 6003  (UK 1976)
       LP  Ariola       203 148   (NL 1980)
 
 
1971  Master of Reality
        5.02    Sweet Leaf
        5.25    After Forever
        0.30    Embryo
        5.15    Children of the Grave
        2.00    Orchid
        4.55    Lord of This World
        8.08    Solitude
        3.08    Into the Void
 
       'After Forever', 'Embryo' and 'Orchid' written by Iommi,
       all others by Iommi/Ward/Butler/Osbourne
       Produced by Rodger Bain for Tony Hall Enterprises
       -
       LP  Vertigo      6360 050  (UK 1971)
       LP  Warner Bros  BS 2526   (US 1971)
       LP  WWA          WWA 008   (1974)
     * LP  NEMS         NEL 6004  (UK 1976)
 
 
1972  Vol 4
        8.09    Wheels of Confusion
        3.06    Tomorrow's Dream
        4.41    Changes
        1.38    FX
        4.42    Supernaut
        5.25    Snowblind
        4.48    Cornucopia
        2.49    Laguna Sunrise
        2.24    St. Vitus Dance
        5.49    Under the Sun
 
       All arrangements by Black Sabbath (Iommi/Ward/Butler/Osborne)
       Produced by Patrick Meehan and Black Sabbath
       Engineer: Colin Caldwell/Vic Smith
       Recorded at Record Plant Los Angeles
       -
       LP  Vertigo      6360 071  (UK 1972)
       LP  Warner Bros  BS 2602   (US)
       LP  WWA          WWA 009   (1974)
     * LP  NEMS         NEL 6005  (UK 1976)
 
 
1973  Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
                Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
                A National Acrobat
                Fluff
                Sabbra Cadabra
                Killing Yourself to Live
                Who Are You
                Looking for Today
                Spiral Architect
       -
       LP  Vertigo      6360 115  (UK 1973)
       LP  Warner Bros  BS 2695   (US)
     * LP  WWA          WWA 005   (1974)
 
 
1975  Attention  (compilation)
       -
       LP  Vertigo      6438 057  (1975)
       LP  WWA          WWA 101
 
 
1975  Black Sabbath Vol 2  (compilation)
       -
       LP  Vertigo      9199 133  (UK 1975)
 
 
1975  Sabotage
        4.01    Hole in the Sky
        0.48    Don't Start (Too Late)
        6.30    Symptom of the Universe
        9.40    Megalomania
        5.54    Thrill of It All
        3.42    Supertzar
        4.15    Am I Going Insane (Radio)
        8.42    The Writ
 
       All songs written/arranged by Black Sabbath
       All instrumentation by Black Sabbath
       Produced by Black Sabbath with Mike Butcher
       Engineered by Mike Butcher/Robin Black
       Tape Operator and saboteur: David Harris
       Recorded at Morgan Studios London and Brussels
       Mastered at Sterling Sound New York
       English Chamber Choir arranged by Will Malone
       -
       LP  Vertigo      9119 001  (UK 1975)
       LP  Warner Bros  BS 2822   (US)
     * LP  NEMS         NEL 6018  (UK 1980)
 
 
1976  We Sold Our Souls for Rock'n'Roll  (compilation 2-LP)
                Am I Going Insane
                Black Sabbath
                Changes
                Children of the Grave
                Fairies Wear Boots
                Iron Man
                Laguna Sunrise
                N.I.B.
                Paranoid
                Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
                Snowblind
                Sweet Leaf
                Tomorrow's Dream
                War Pigs
                Warning
                The Wizard
       -
       2-LP  Vertigo      6641 335  (UK 1976)
       2-LP  Warner Bros  BS 2923   (US)
       2-LP  NEMS         NALD 101  (UK 1977)
 
 
1976  Technical Ecstasy
        3.46    Back Street Kids
        6.34    You Won't Change Me
        3.58    It's Alright
        5.10    Gypsy
        4.59    All Moving Parts (Stand Still)
        2.25    Rock'n'Roll Doctor
        4.51    She's Gone
        7.15    Dirty Women
 
       All selections by Iommi/Butler/Wade/Osbourne
       -
       LP  Vertigo      9102 750  (UK 1976)
       LP  Warner Bros  BS 2969   (US 1976)
     * LP  Vertigo      9124 100  (WG 1976)
       CA  Vertigo      7131 001  (WG 1976)
 
 
1977  Greatest Hits  (compilation)
       -
       LP  NEMS         NELS 6009 (UK 1977)
       LP  WEA          913 192   (1977)
 
 
1978  Never Say Die
       -
       LP  Vertigo      9102 751  (UK 1978)
       LP  Warner Bros  K 3186    (US)
 
 
1980  Live at Last  (live)
       -
       LP  Ariola       203 049   (NL 1980)
 
 
1980  Heaven and Hell
        3.48    Neon Knights
        5.30    Children of the Sea
        4.20    Lady Evil
        6.52    Heaven and Hell
        4.02    Wishing Well
        4.40    Die Young
        4.20    Walk Away
        5.45    Lonely Is the Word
 
       Tony Iommi: guitar  / Ronnie James Dio: vocals
       Geezer Butler: bass / Bill Ward: drums
       All keyboards played by Geoff Nicholls
 
       Music written and arranged by Butler/Dio/Iommi/Ward
       Lyrics by Ronnie James Dio
       Produced and engineered by Martin Birch
       Assistant engineer: Joe 'C' Foglia
       Recorded at Criteria Recording Studios, Miami, Florida
       Additional recording at Studio Ferber, Paris, France
       Equipment: Graham Wright and Mickey Balla
       -
       LP  Vertigo      9102 752  (UK 1980)
       LP  Warner Bros  3372      (US 1980)
     * LP  Vertigo      6302 017  (NL 1980)
       CA  Vertigo      7144 017  (NL 1980)
 
 
1981  Mob Rules
        3.39    Turn Up the Night
        4.31    Voodoo
        7.45    The Sign of the Southern Cross
        2.53    E5150
        3.12    The Mob Rules
        4.02    Country Girl
        3.43    Slippin' Away
        5.01    Falling Off the Edge of the World
        5.25    Over and Over
 
       Vinnie Appice: drums     / Geezer Butler: bass
       Ronnie James Dio: vocals / Tony Iommi: guitar
       All keyboards by Geoff Nicholls
 
       All songs written and arranged by Butler/Dio/Iommi
       Lyrics by Ronnie James Dio
       Produced and engineered by Martin Birch
       Assistant engineers:  Eddie De Lena/Angelo Arcuri
       Recorded at The Record Plant, L.A.
       Personal technicians to Black Sabbath: Ian Ferguson,
         Michael Howse, Les Martin, Peter Resty
       -
     * LP  Vertigo      6302 119  (UK 1981)
       CA  Vertigo      7144 119  (UK 1981)
 
 
1982  Live Evil  (live 2-LP)
        2.18    E5150
        4.22    Neon Knights
        5.08    N.I.B.
        5.58    Children of the Sea
        5.15    Voodoo
        9.03    Black Sabbath
        9.13    War Pigs
        7.02    Iron Man
        3.03    The Mob Rules
       12.10    Heaven and Hell
        7.15    The Sign of the Southern Cross/Heaven and Hell (contd)
        3.16    Paranoid
        5.08    Children of the Grave
        0.50    Fluff
 
       Tony Iommi: lead guitar / Geezer Butler: bass guitar
       Ronnie Dio: vocals
       Special thanks:
         Geoff Nicholls: keyboards / Vinnie Appice: drums
 
       Produced by Tony Iommi and Geezer Butler
       Recorded live in Seattle, San Antonio and Dallas
       Recorded with The Record Plant Mobile, Los Angeles
       Engineered by Lee De Carlo and Bill Freesh
       Mobile crew: Bill Hutcheson, Jim Scott, Scott Stogel
       Mixed at The Record Plant, Los Angeles
       -
     * 2-LP  Vertigo  6650 009  (Holland 1982)
       CA    Vertigo  7565 009  (1982)
 
 
1983  Born Again
        4.15    Thrashed
        1.58    Stonehenge
        5.48    Disturbing the Priest
        0.48    The Dark
        7.35    Zero the Hero
        3.38    Digital Bitch
        6.35    Born Again
        4.50    Hot Line
        5.39    Keep It Warm
 
       Tony Iommi:    guitars, guitar effects, flute
       Geezer Butler: bass, bass effects
       Ian Gillan:    vocals
       Bill Ward:     drums, percussion
       All keyboards by Geoff Nicholls
 
       All songs written by Gillan/Ward/Iommi/Butler except for
       'Hot Line' and 'Keep It Warm' written by Gillan/Iommi/Butler
       Produced by Robin Black and Black Sabbath
       Engineered by Robin Black
       Assistant engineer: Steve Chase
       Recorded at The Manor Studio, Shipton on Cherwell, Oxfordshire,
         England
       -
     * LP  Warner Bros  23978-1  (USA 1983)
 
 
1986  Seventh Star  (Black Sabbath Featuring Tony Iommi)
                In for the Kill
                No Stranger to Love
                Turn to Stone
                Sphinx (The Guardian)
                Seventh Star
                Danger Zone
                Heart Like a Wheel
                Angry Heart
                In Memory...
 
       Tony Iommi: all guitars / Glenn Hughes: vocals
       Eric Singer: drums / Dave 'The Beast' Spitz: bass
       Geoff Nicholls: keyboards
       Gordon Copley: bass on 'No Stranger to Love'
 
       Music and lyrics by Tony Iommi
       Additional lyrics by Geoff Nicholls, Jeff Glixman and Glenn Hughes
       Produced and engineered by Jeff Glixman
       Recorded at Cheshire Sound Studios, Atlanta
       Assistant engineer: Scott Church
       Originally mastered at Artisan Sound Recorders, Hollywood
         by Greg Fulginiti
       -
     * LP  Vertigo  826 704-1  (Holland 1986)
       CA  Vertigo  826 704-4  (1986)
       CD  Vertigo  826 704-2  (1986)
 
 
1987  Eternal Idol
        5.38    The Shining
        5.34    Ancient Warrior
        5.00    Hard Life to Love
        4.48    Glory Ride
        3.43    Born to Lose
        5.17    Nightmare
        2.07    Scarlet Pimpernel
        4.00    Lost Forever
        6.35    Eternal Idol
 
       The Player: Tony Iommi
       Players: Tony Martin: vocals / Geoff Nicholls: keyboards
                Dave Spitz, Bob Daisley: bass / Bev Bevan: percussion
                Eric Singer: drums
 
       All tracks by Iommi.
       Producers: J.Glixman, Air Studios, Montserrat
                  Vic Coppersmith-Heaven, Air Studios, London
                  Chris Tsangerides, Battery Studios, London
       Mixed by Chris Tsangerides at Battery Studios, London
       Executive producer: Patrick Meehan
       -
     * LP  Warner Bros  25548-1  (USA 1987)
 
 
1989? Headless Cross
 
 
1990  Tyr

    Does anybody know what ever happen to Bill Ward? He was my all time
    favorite drummer.. I dont think he was the best but I just liked his
    style.. 
     
    Is it me or does 'Headless Cross' sound like glam?
     
    Speak of the Devil is the best Sabbath tape.. they were great live
    

    
> Does anybody know what ever happen to Bill Ward?
    
    He put out a solo release last year. 
    
> Speak of the Devil is the best Sabbath tape.. they were great live
 
    That's Ozzy, not Sabbath. Brad Gillis played guitar on that tape,
    Jake E. Lee did the tour.
    
    /prc
       

    
    	There's a note for Bill Ward at 404.
    
    							GTI
    

    Sabbath Fans,
    
            Gezzer Butler is back in Sabbath.  Seems he's playing "RENT-
    a-BASS_PLAYER.
    
                       I don't know if Bill Ward will play with them 
    again.
                               Frizkid
    

    Whats the story on why they quit and come back. Is it Ozzy's attitude?
    Kinda like David lee roth and van halen? I heard Ozzy left becasue he
    said it was getting too complicated
    

    
    I heard it was musical and ego clashes between him and Tony Iommi.
    
    /prc

    re-1
    
    thats the reason I heard,did we hear it from the same guy??
    
    
    
                                           Staynz

    
    Most likely not.

    I liked Alan's reply in like -100something...
    
    My favorite pre-Dio Sab tune :==	Never Say Die
    
    My fav post-Ozzy Sab tune :==	Neon Knights!

    So I guess there is no chance of a sabbath re-union with Ozzy?
    

    I don't think so not unless the $$$$$$ was good,
    
    
    
    
                                             Staynz

    Not even for money!  Don't you feel Black Sabbath music to be sacred?
    Then you really don't want them to get back together!
    If they did it would even come close to the Sabbath of old...Certain
    factors see this to be true:
    1)Lack of drugs and experamenting
    2)Lack of any good music for years
    3)Ozzy is about to retire 
    4)Why would Ozzy waste his time?
    5)There is more money and better music to be play on a Ozzy solo album
    6)The times have changed and so have their attitudes and views
    7)Black Sabbath is a dead band for selling albums
    8)They just shouldn't....for everybodies sake!
    
                        Frizkid
    
    
    

    
    	RE: 3) Ozzie is about to retire?
    
    	That's about the only one I'd question.  The last interview I read
    	he stated that his tours wouldn't be as extensive, if memory
    	serves, 'I'm not going to bust my balls to play in front of 
    	some tribe in Mongolia'.
    
    	- Jim

    I think the main reason that it'll never happen is because Ozzy's doing
    GREAT on his own and Sabbath is pretty much dead at this point.  Why
    would he want to waste his time doing a reunion thing when he could be
    making a lot better money doing his own tour?
    
    gh

>>    Why
>>    would he want to waste his time doing a reunion thing when he could be
>>    making a lot better money doing his own tour?
    
    I would think that a reunion tour would bring in BIG BUCKS (no, not you
    Buck).  There are a lot of people out there that like them that have
    never seen them together.
    
    Chris D.

    I seriously doubt they'd be popular enough to play stadiums, more like
    5000 seat venues IMO.  You don't make much money playing places like
    that.
    
    gh

    
    	Come on, Greg ... you don't think an Ozzy/Sabbath reunion
    	would be popular?  I was just getting into music when Ozzy
    	left Black Sabbath, and there's alot of people my age and
    	younger who've never seen them together.
    
    	I think you'd be surprised at the turnout.
    
    							GTI
    

    Witness the recent Deep Purple tour, in their heyday they were more
    popular then Sabbath ever was.  They played relatively small venues.  I
    seriously doubt that a Black Sabbath tour with Ozzy would draw much
    more crowds then one without, and would probably draw significantly
    LESS then an Ozzy tour.
    
    gh

    I've never thought of a B.S reunion.But then again I don't think about 
    alot of things out of my reach.
    It would never Happen without Ozzy.(for the sake of the young and old)
    Ozzy seems to be sick of the whole shmeel*And may his God bless em.
    This mans'inner Demons must be tired.
    And for those who have followed what the press has let out in the
    last 20 years know--that Ozzy has been fightin them for years.
    
    I look forwared to his next(farewell?)album. 
    I hope the "messages"are clear to ALL.
    
    
                 Crazy_wouldn't_do_anything_for_the_Musicians_envolved_EXce
    pt_cause_alot_of_road_fights_and_bring_up_unpleasent_History_Al
    
    I'm sure the Kids would love it thou-------

    I know Id travel great lengths to see the old Sabbath again! I think
    Ozzy has been going downhill also
    

    
    Not Ozzy, just his material. 8-)

    I agree with the cookster...Ozzy was able to put out AMAZING stuff
    when he was blind drunk and generally f'ed out of his mind (Never say
    die, Blizzard..., Diary...).  Now that he's sober, he should be able to
    produce miracles!

    
    re: -1
    
    Look at the producer he had...

       I saw Ozzy's last tour. Last year I think and it's time for him to
    retire. The show I saw his voice cracked alot and it seemed like he was
    totally wore out by the end of the show. His guitarist Zak put on more
    of a show than he did. I've seen Ozzy before and he was much better
    than this. IMHO if you can't put on the kind of show you did in the
    past or better it, go out while your on top. Then people can remember
    you for how great you were without tainting the memory.
    					The KER
    

    
    I saw Ozzy last year too.. and he was GREAT!!
    
    IMO his voice sounded the same as it did in 1983 and he was in great
    spirits, laughing and having a good time with the crowd..
    
    You can't beat seeing an old master in concert, especially if he is
    still awesome.
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
       Francine.... is that really you?  When did you get back?
    
       
    
       Oh yeah, sorry Oxxy needs to retire!
    
    
    
    GAZ

    >>   Oh yeah, sorry Oxxy needs to retire!
    
    
    Mebbe he cain be oxxycuted.

    
    	I didn't know they had an early single on the Fontana label.  Of
    	course, I can't remember the song titles though.  Too bad it didn't 
    	make it on to the Fontana two volume limited box set, each containing 
    	12 singles on vinyl (and later on CD) of early relics being re-released 
    	as a bid to rejuvenate the 'ole label.  For further details see the
    	April issue of Record Collector (Motorhead on cover).
    
    	- Jim

	I think Tony Martin is best match for Iommi's guiter sound .

	I like latest 3 albums ,

		ETERNAL IDOLE , HEADLESSCROSS , TYR .

	Thease alubums have many high quality songs .

	I think estimatin of Martin is very low .

	Why anyone can't understand his talent ?

	So I'm unhappy because Dio rejoin band .

	I like Dio , and I think he is No.1 vocalist 

	but I don't want to rejoin band .

	I want to see concert by TYR album's member .

					Jun .

    me i'd go see an ozzy/sabbath tour. i wish i'd been old enough to see
    them open for the original kiss. that must have been something. ozzy's
    "no rest" tour was great if you like a group to just get up on stage and
    jam (which i do) if you want to see show then go see a movie. i had a
    friend of mine say he disliked the show cuz all ozzy did was walk
    around on stage. i told him if he was oz's age and had drank as much
    and done as many drugs as ozzy has, he would be lucky to be able to get
    out of bed. what do you expect, david lee roth? heard dio say last week
    that geezer had talked him into rejoining the band and that they would
    have a release around dec.'91 and he also said that his solo career was
    still on. 
    
                                  ozzy roooollllzzzzz
    
                                     nate
    

    re: 23.236
    
    Dio's joining up with Black Sabbath again?!  COOOOOOOOOOOLLL!!!
    
    I heard that their most recent singer became a born again Christian
    after leaving the band.  Anyone else hear this?
    
    Ken
    

    Yeah, maybe.  I saw a pamphlet with some bible thumper on it saying
    how he used to be the singer for Black Sabbath.  I had never heard
    of him and I don't think he was actually on any albums or anything.
    
    Funny thing, I discovered God while listening to Black Sabbath (I
    should add that it was on 78 r.p.m.) (Coutesy Cheech and Chong)
    
    Jim

    BLACK SABBATH (Ozzy) They awesome I love that song Paranoid and
    others in that same album. I could listen to that song (Paranoid)
    over and over again.
    
    phoebe
    

    Phoebe, my fav Sabbath album is 'Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath'.  This has
    some great songs on it!  The mood of the album is very dark, but it
    really has the right feel for Sabbath!
    
    
    
    GAZ

    For me "Paranoid" and "Master of reality" are their best albums.
    "Headless cross" and "Eternal idol" are also very good. I heard that
    the album they released with Glen Hughes as singer was very good.
    Black Sabbath remains one of the most influent bands for many of the
    actual HM bands. It was my favourite band after first hearing "Iron
    man" but once I heard Uriah Heep I switched towards the more complex
    heaviness of UH.
    Another constatation was that the old BS resisted  quite well to the
    time.
    
    Sorin 

    My band have been playing paranoid since we first got together and
    trust me..It is possible to get sick of Paranoid.
    

    I hear ya Al, it *is* definately possible to get sick of Paranoid...
    
    gh

Tell me about it.  

jc (Who likes to play lead for eons to that one tho...)

    
    
    
           199 REPLIEZ!@!!

    I think you"hurt"her with that one,Buck.e.Lee :-0

    Has anyone heard any more about Dio getting back together with Sabbath? 
    Is it still in the works?
    
    |KS|

    
    Supposedly. Haven't heard alot about. Supposed to be a one album/tour 
    thing.
    
    /prc

|    Has anyone heard any more about Dio getting back together with Sabbath? 
|    Is it still in the works?
        
        About all  I  remember  hearing  is that Ozzy talked Dio into
        rejoining with Sabbath.    .  .an album is due out later this
        fall.  Can't remember  for the life of me, where I heard this
        though.  Could it have been a dream ?!?!? :^)
        
        METALord"�

    
    
    Thanx ...Take it a way.........
    
    
         well Ive been out of DEC since 90-april
    
    
            Still think SABBATH RULES....thats all
    
    
                         T A M A _ 

    
    The Syracuse New Times reports:
    
    "Cortland's heavy metal hero Ronnie James Dio, has rejoined Black
     Sabbath, the British behemoth he fronted in the early Eighties.
     The talented vocalist .... is currently in England writing songs for
     a new Black Sabbath album that may be ready for release as early as
     February 1992."
    
    - Sean

    new sabbath sucks.. I hope Tony Iommi makes a autobiography like Ozzy!
    

    
    wonder how the new sabbath will be with dio and his songwriting back
    though.  it will either be really, really good, or really, really crap.
    
    

    
    
     Yesterday I heard a new Black Sabbath song on the radio. I believe it
    was called Time Machine. It didn't really grab me, but it wasn't too
    bad. One thing that was apparent on this song is a much more raw sound-
    ing Black Sabbath. Has anyone else heard anything on this new release?
    
                                                                      mike
    

    Mike,Was Dio singin?
    
             Crazy_Might_not_be_new,_but_they're_due_Al

    I didn't think the new album was finished yet?  I thought I heard on
    the radio a few days ago that they were in the studio working on it. 
    Prerelease?  Ignorant DJ?  What's the scoop?
    
    gh

    Isn't "Time Machine" from the soundtrack of "Wayne's World"?
    
    -Steve D

    the last Sabbath album I bought was Mob rules,it is truely excellant.
    Falling off the edge of the world is a cosmic song,its about time
    Tony got his act together and ditched all the crappy singers!!
    
    
    staynz

    God the Sabs eh? Never liked them after that "Born Again" rubbish with
    Ian Gillan. Speaking of which, is the old Reading screamer still with
    Purple or has he had the decency to revive Gillan the band; McCoy,
    Torme, Underwood etc. Classic stuff!
    
    Barry.

    Yes,that band Gillan had with McCoy,Torme,Underwood was excellent.
    Glory Road,Mr Universve,Future Shock,Magic,Double Trouble all good
    stuff.
    
    Ever heard Mutually Assured Destruction?? Wicked tune.
    

    
    
    Born Again is excellent!   Everyone go out and buy it right now!  Its a
    heavy metal classic and Ian's singing is the balls!!!
    
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    
     Yes, Dio was on vocals. Don't know if it was from Wayne's World or
    not. I was listening to KILO and they said we have the new one from
    Black Sabbath, its called Time Machine. Thats all I know.
    
    I loved some of the tunes on Born Again! Zero the Hero cranks!
    
                                                                    mike
    
                                         

    Born Again inhaled! I ain't bought a Sabbath album since. 

    I thought it had some very good songs. What spoilt it was A)the abysmal
    cover B)the none too clever production.
    
    I don`t think Toni Iommi is capable of writing a bad riff. Wicked
    riff writer. Er,if you see wot i mean.
    

    The "Born Again" tour, did'nt they have a Stonehenge set design for
    that tour or have I been mislead?
    
    Barry.

    Good, then it was Sabs who proved to be the inspiraton for Spinal
    Tap's Stonehenge stage prop. 

	I don't know maybe I'm more of tune person than vocal but I give
	more credit to new bands who use the lyrics of an original song, 
	a cover, right, and rearrange the melody, not completely so as to
	entirely set it apart from the original but use their style to
	make the song sound as if the wrote it.  

	It's not always the case with covers but usually I do prefer the 
	cover to sound as if it's the band doing the song and not them 
	sounding exactly like the band who did the original.

	In the case of Soundgarden's version of "Into the Void" (actually 
	on first listen I honestly don't know if I liked only because I 
	like the original) I think the song looses their personal style
	and is simply a note-for-note copy of the original.  Aside from
	the lyrics being different.  
	
	This being stated with out any thoughts related to how much
	they probably worship old Sabbath albums or any of the other
	reasons that come as to why someone did a cover / re-arragement
	as bringing all that up could turn this into a never discussion - 
	much like the EJ-thing which I'm glad has quieted down.

	Also I find it interesting to note how Black Sabbath exists more
	on the radio today in the form of other band's "new" songs with 
	their riffs, covers, etc. living on for many years to come probably 
	for some people in the future which some will discover via backtracking
	just like what happened/happens with some people rediscovering blues 
	from the '20-30, etc.  Something like some kid in '2050 finding a 
	reference that a current band Joe's Shoe cited some characters named
	Ozzie and company as big influences and this is what can keep older 
	music alive in future times.  

	Also, this is what sets aside staying power of songs that clearly 
	don't end up becoming those K-tell type thinks that only most 
	people from the class of '62 like because that was what they grew 
	up - not that that's bad but I guess it doesn't say much about the 
	song if only most people from that generation still enjoy the song, 
	i.e, new new interested listeners joined along the journey.

	B.S. are form more prevalent on radio today in the above riff/cover
	form than they ever were in the height of their former (Ozzie) 
	existence.

	lastly as an example that's probably one of the reason that I left out of
	for liking Mystic Powers' demo that I didn't mention before.  There's
	some influences there but yet it sounds like Mystic Powers.  

	- Jim

    I agree with you, Jim.  I don't like covers that don't add anything to
    the song.  For instance I can't stand Faith No More's cover of "War
    Pigs" because it sounds like a sloppy attempt to sound like the
    original.  I don't know why they did it either, just doesn't seem to
    fit very well with the rest of the material on that album...
    
    Greg

       I just heard the tune called Time Machine by BS.  I think
    I'm going to pass on that soundtrack.  I'd rather use the cash to 
    finish my bathroom.  Don't ya think Hommer???
    
    BJ

    Any word yet on the lastest Sabbath album??
    
    
    
    		Mike
    

    
    
    Um..  I think its out.  I keep hearing this tune on the radio.. Ronnie
    James Dio is singing again..  its an OK tune, IMO.
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    It's the old line-up from Heaven and Hell days.
    
    /prc

    Not quite. Mob rules and Live Evil days. 
    
    (It`s with Vinnie Appice on drums).
    

    Isn't the new song called "Time Machine"?
    
          I LIKE IT!!! Of course....I liked Dio. 
    No matter what Ronnie James ever does it's gonna sound like HOLY DIVER 
    because that's when I first heard his voice.
    
              Frizkid
    

    Yepper, I've heard two cuts off of it.  I love Dio's voice !
    He rips !
    
    RE: Swanson
    
    Excellent tune in your P_N dood !!
    jc

    re: my P_N
    
    Yeah, cool tune!  You don't happen to have the lyrics to it somehow do
    you?  I can't figure out what he's singing at the end of the line:
    
    "may your spirit rise with the breeze, may your body fall in
    towards knees"
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^<------------ ?????
    

    Actually, I MAY have the lyrics... Lemme check...
    
    jc

    
    Black Sabbath - Dehumanizer gets released on June 30 

    Hey....Who's gonna play drums on this one?
    
             Frizkid
    

    
    Vinnie Appice

    Cool! Anything is better than Geezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzer! 
    No offence to Geezzzer fans around the world but he doesn't do much for
    me.
    
            Frizkid
    

    RE -1
    
    I think you're mistaken there Friz!.  Geezer plays the *BASS*!!  ;^)
    
    You must be thinkin' of Mr. Ward!
    
    
    Steve
    

    OH SH*T!!!! DUH!! I always call the drummer that....Since that name
    Geezer cracks me up everytime I see it! I feel like such a DOY now!
      Yes...Bill Ward.   Thanks! I guess ignorance of Black Sabbath is
    wearing through.    8)
    
                    Frizkid
    

    
    Ward pretty much hung things up when his parents died. Had a big effect
    on him, plus his drinking...This was around the time when they started
    to tour with Ian Gillan on Born Again (an awesome show!)

    Oh man....That sucks.  He still never did much for me though.
    
          Frizkid...Who HATES to see a drummer go down that way.
    
    
    

    
    I have the address for the Black Sabbath fan club from Usnet. If anyone is
    interested I'll post it.

    Actually Ward is my favorite drummer.. Vinnie puts me to sleep.. There
    is weak playing on 'time machine'. The part where he has a chance to do
    some fills he just bangs on the toms a little.
    

    
    re: -1
    
    Vinnie is pretty basic. Ward has alot more style. Vinnie really doesn't
    have a style other than beating the living *&%#@ out of his kit. I was
    watching a Dio vid I have from years ago and I noticed it.

    the new Sabbath single "tv crimes" is bloody magic.Dio in fine form 
    (ie no bloody rainbows and all that shite)the guitar sound is intense
    an all round magic song.Looks like I'll be off to see them in September
    in the slim chance that they may play my *favourite* Sabbath
    song,Falling off the edge of the world!
    
    
                                                Staynz

    
    
     I picked up "DEHUMANIZER" last night. I've only listened to it once
    and my first impression is that its pretty good, not great, and much
    better than the last few releases. It does have some great rockin tunes
    on it, and a few that I thought were kinda week. There are 2 versions
    of "Time Machine" on it, one from "Wayne's World" and another version
    for this release. On the first listen I couldn't really tell a big dif-
    ference in the two. I'll post more later after a few more spins.
    
                                                                    mike

Time Machine == Neon Nights.

    Ohhhh Noo!  Here it comes again!  Can't remember when... I disagree
    their not the same!!!!
    
    Ken
    

    silly cover.............cool album!!
    
    
    
                                             Staynz

    I haven't seen the cover, but Mike Ferris loaned me a tape of the new
    album and I've been listening to it for the last hour or so.  Not quite
    finished with it yet, but I can definitively say...


    IT CRANKS!!!!

    This is the best Sabbath I've heard since Heaven & Hell!!  They've
    grown with the times and have a great modern metal sound.  It's like a
    blend up the H&H sound, but sped up with a modern metal production
    style (H&H was badly dated IMHO).  Sort of like Dio's solo stuff, but
    with the guitars where you can actually hear them!

    gh

    
    
     Glad you like it. It took me a few listens to be able to make a
    decision of whether I liked it. Wait'll you hear the Social Distortion.
    
    
    
                                                              mike
    

>Wait'll you hear the Social Distortion.
    
    On the Walkman as we speak...
                                  
    gh  

>>    This is the best Sabbath I've heard since Heaven & Hell!!  They've

See .242

Tim

    Ah, but *this* album's production and tempo is much more modern then
    H&H.  In that respect, it's probably better.
    
    However, there seems to be a lot of Satan/devil/occult in the lyrics
    and that really turns me off.
    
    gh

    This album definately cranks!!!!!
    
    The more I listen the better it gets!  TV crimes is my favorite song
    off it.
    
    I'm probably the only one who noticed this, but:  On the liner notes,
    Geezer Butler thanks somebody named Jimi Bell.  He was the guitarist
    for the (now defunct) band Joined Forces from Connecticut.  Wailin'
    guitarist!!  I think there's a note on him somewhere in this conf.
    
    Ken
    

    
    	The video "The Black Sabbath Story" Vol. 1 1970 - 1979 is
    always ranked in the top 10 selling videos in the Boston area.
    Anybody have it? is it all concert footage or interviews that
    cut into songs? any comments?
    
    
    Vinny

    I just picked up the video "The Black Sabbath Story Vol. 1 1970-1978".
    
    It's alright, but I have a couple complaints.  First of all, it's not
    long enough.  It's only 60 minutes.  Should be 90.  :')
    
    Also, most of the concert footage was in B&W!  Even the recent ones.
    Tony Iommy and Geezer Butler talked about the band between songs.  They
    also showed artwork between songs by H.R. Geiger I believe.
    
    Here is a list of the songs:
    
    N.I.B. 			Paris, 1970
    Paranoid			Belgium, 1970
    War Pigs			Paris, 1970
    Children of the grave	California Jam, 1974
    Snowblind			London, 1978
    Sabbath Bloody Sabbath	Conceptual Video, 1973
    Symptom Of The Universe	London, 1978
    It's Alright		???    (Bill Ward Singing)
    Rock 'n' Roll Doctor	???
    Never Say Die		BBC's Top Of The Pops, 1978
    
    This last one looked like it was some kind of "dance party" show
    similar to MTV's.  Had a bunch of kids dancing in front of the stage
    where Sabbath played.  They looked like they'd never heard of the band
    before, and were more interested in looking at themselves in a TV
    monitor then at the band!
    
    |KS|
    

    
    	So then they play the full songs right through without
    interuption?
    
    	There is also "Vol. II 1978 to 1993" on video.
    
    
    Vinny

 >   	So then they play the full songs right through without
 >   interuption?
    
    Yes.  With the exception of "It's Alright"  They kind of cut that one
    short near the end.  I believe they just dubbed the album track over
    the video footage on that one too.
    
    I figured there was a volume II, if this one was called Vol I!  But I
    didn't see it in the store at the time.
    
    |KS|
    
    

     toni iomi needs a singer that can write, dio had his prime, I folled
    Dio since his ELF days before he was with rainbow he has definately has
    seen better days. tony martin from the album eternal idiol and tyr,has
    shown he is a capable singer and a writer NONE OF HIS SONGS DON'T MAKE
    SENSE. He's a better singer than dio, and ozzy, like i said toni iomi
    needs a singer to match he brilliant guitar playing. I liked dio better
    on the album h&h and his dio solo days. dehumanizer was a let down. But
    I bought it any ways. Some are Sabbath fans, and then there are Sabbath
    freaks. I own every Sabbath album put out, and some rare imports like
    Die Young. Seen Sabbath with Ozzy (never say die.) Dio (mob rules).Born
    again Ian Gillian. And also seventh star. which toni fired the singer
    right after the concert. I very much wanted to see Sabbath with Tony
    Martin. I couldn't catch the tour due to my deployment to saudi arabia
    in the army. Bummer. 
    
           scott, the Sabbath freak!
    

    I saw Sabbath with Dio(Dehumaniser)and Tony Martin(Tyr)and definately
    prefer Dio.Its a pity they didn't do my favourite Sabbath song "falling
    off the edge of the world"
    
    
    						ian

    
    I saw Sabbath at the Reading Festival when Gillan was with them. It
    was one of the worst gigs I've been to. It was like Deep Purple meets
    Black Sabbath. Iommi killed "Smoke On The Water" and Gillan murdered
    "Paraniod".
    
    A night to forget.
    
    Del. 

    I saw Gillan with Sabbath here in Ottawa a number of years ago and
    though they were fantastic.  I think Gillan has one hell of a voice
    and fitted in with Sabbath no problem.  The Born Again album is a 
    classic in my opinion. Every single song on that album is hard, heavy
    kick ass tunes.
    
                           David 
    

    -1
    
    Who's in Black Sabbath these days?!

    Far as I can tell, Black Sabbath is basically the "Tony Iommi Band"
    these days.  The rest float in and out.
    
    gh

    its been that way for the last 10 years! 8)
    
    
    
    						ian

    
    
      Ronnie James Dio is singing for Sabbath, need not say more.
    
    
    
                                       Mark...(Dogg)
    

    
    re. last
    
    I don't think so. As far as I know, Dio is touring with his own band to
    promote "Strange Highways" and Sabbath have once again recruited Tony 
    Martin. The new Sabbath album "Cross Purposes" features Martin as well
    as Bobby Rondinello (drums). The album is released on the 31st of this 
    month.    
      
    Del.

Del is correct, I just called and found out that Tony Martin is singing on
this tour. I believe they are *still* looking for a drummer for the tour,
believe it or not! And the Orpheum show is the opening night of the tour.

My prediction: Motorhead will blow 'em away....

alan

    
    where do we send tapes?!  :')
    
    well, gotta start somewhere...  :')
    

    
    Sorry for missInformation, Heard that Dio was on (I think CGY) the
    radio at lunch time. Maybe 1 to many at lunch I guess......
    
    
    
                                              Dogg

    
    
    
    
    
                              269!
    
    
    
    
                                            Dogg(style)
    
    
    

    
    	Does anyone out there have "Paranoid" on CD?
    
    	If so, could you listen to it and see if the volume is low at
    	the start of "War Pigs" [1st song], and then goes up a bunch
    	of db's and stays there for the remainder of the album?
    
    	If another one doesn't do it, looks like I have a dud.  I've
    	listened to it before, but I guess I never noticed.
    
    							GTI

    I could check out my vinyl copy of it.  I wouldn't be surprised if
    that's the way it is on the master tape.  Have you ever noticed that
    the drum beat "thumps" at the beginning of Iron Man are mostly in the
    right channel, but at the very last thump, it moves to the "center"?
    
    |KS|
    

    
    	Actually, I didn't notice a problem with "Iron Man" at all ...
    	I had it cranked last night and it sounded great.
    
    							GTI

I got Paranoid on CD here in the UK. It seems to be a direct
copy of the original master used for the Vinyl.

War Pigs does not start quiet: It leaps in there as it always has done.

Re: Iron Man: if you listen carefully the first few beats are on the right
side and then it pans over 2-3 beats to the centre.

Indeed the whole mixing of that album is a little strange. The bass issues
from one speaker, the guitar from the other (except during solos), the vocal
overdubs are incredibly obvious (eg, the rising scream at the end of
"Fairies Wear Boots"). Almost sounds as if it were recorded "semi-live" on
a four track being simultaneously mixed to stereo!

Keef.

    
    	Thanks for checking.
    
    	Another thing ... the "Paranoid" guitar solo is the buzziest
    	guitar work I've ever heard, and is not impressive from a
    	sound quality standpoint.
    
    							GTI

I have a Grand Funk cd that does the same thing with Bass on one side and Guitar
on the other.  I thought that went out in the early sixties....

Tim

    
    All right... any more cracks about the 60's, Grand Funk's stereophonic
    digressions, *OR* Iommi's buzz guitar, and I'll have to get nasty...
    
    :^)

    re:-1...ooh baby....i love it when you get all fiesty on a
    subject!.../k

    Actually, I kind of like to hear things with weird panning and stuff. 
    Gives your ears a break from the same-ol-same-ol mixes that everyone
    seems to be churning out these days!
    
    Greg

    
    >All right... any more cracks about the 60's, Grand Funk's stereophonic
    >digressions, *OR* Iommi's buzz guitar, and I'll have to get nasty...
    
    
    	The perfect song to end that album would have been ...
    
    
    	... "Flight of the Bumblebee".
    
    							GTI

    
    Hey, the Kinks used to stick darning needles in their amps to get that
    effect when they started out!
    

    There's a difference between cool distortion and buzz...
    
    
>    	The perfect song to end that album would have been ...
>    	... "Flight of the Bumblebee".
    
    They'd have had to rename it..."Buzz of the Bumblebee"
    
    gh

    That is why those 25wt Celestion greenback speakers were/are so
    popular, cuz with a 100wt amp, they buzz and flap in the breeze!

    
         Just picked up a bootleg copy of the 1992 Orpheum
    show:  Nice!!
    
    Kev --
    

    
    This morning I pulled "Live Evil" for the trip into
    work.  A question to those who are familiar with it:
    
    During "Heaven and Hell," Ronnie Dio says, "Not knowing
    you were going to be this fantastic, we didn't mention
    the other suprise.  Not only are we filming this one, 
    but our next album will be finally, a live album from
    Black Sabbath."
    
    All right, we all know that "Live Evil" was the end result
    of the live recording quote.  What about the film mentioned?
    Is the "Mob Rules" tour available anywhere on VHS?
    
    Regards,
    Kev --
    

    I Guess Theres A Black_Sabbath Tribute_Album out.
    Heard MegaDeaths Version of"Paranoid".  It_Rocks!!
    
    But it makes me Wonder...What Band will be the next to Cover
    "Smoke_On_The_Water"?

    
    Re: -1
    
      Captain and ToeNail are thinking of doing Sabbath's tune "Johnny
    Blade" and Barry Manillow is thinking of doing "Smoke on the Water"
    
    /Sax_who_was_one_of_the_girls_on_your_chest_in_disguise  :)
    

    I've just bought a triple CD "Black Sabbath - the Ozzy Osbourne years"
    a compilation of 31 songs from their first six albums (almost all
    songs). It comes from Castle Communications (which use to do such nice
    things) for the price of a normal CD. As I had already an early days
    compilation I was hesitating to buy their first 3 albums but this
    compilation is much too interesting to be missed.
    
    Sorin

    Sorry, the compilation contains *41* songs (not 31 as previously
    replied).
    
    Sorin

    Sounds like a bigger version of We Sold Our Souls For Rock & Roll.
    Is there any unreleased material?

    
    -1.
    
    I agree.
    
    
    

All the (41) songs on "Black Sabbath - The Ozzy Osbourne years" were already
released on the first 6 BS albums. The 3 (fundamental) beginning albums are
represented practically entirely.

Sorin

    
    	Can you name the 6 albums, so I can see how many I'd be buying
    	again if I bought this set?  Probably only 1, as far as I know.
    
    	Thanks.
    

    Black Sabbath
    Paranoid
    Master Of Reality
    Volume 4
    Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
    Sabotage
    
    

    
    	Thanks!!
    
    	So "Paranoid" would be the only duplication.
    

    So the only Ozzy-era albums not represented are 'Technical Ecstasy'
    and 'Never Say Die'.
    
    BTW, does anybody know if 'Seventh Star' was ever released on CD?
            
    Steve

    I've seen it at CD Warehouse here in Ottawa. But why would you want it?
    The CD was THE worst thing I've ever seen. ' Black Sabbath featuring
    Tony Iommi" What a crock!!

    Sorry, but I find the Dio-era Sabbath to be as good, if not better,
    than the Ozzy-era stuff...and I'm a *big* Ozzy fan.  I've never
    actually heard Seventh Star, but it's one of the few left that I don't
    own.  If you see it again, can we work out a deal for it?
    
    Steve

    
    >Sorry, but I find the Dio-era Sabbath to be as good, if not better,
    >than the Ozzy-era stuff...and I'm a *big* Ozzy fan.  I've never
    
    
    	I second that motion!!
    
    	I was just going to say this, but you beat me to it.
    
    	[The reason that you beat me to it was that I SPAWNed out to
    	 take a look at your CD list to see how many Black Sabbath
    	 CD's you had, figuring you wanted "Seventh Star" to complete
    	 the collection, but I deleted it.  8^)]
    

    Actually, I only have 5 of them on CD, the rest being on tape or LP.
    Seventh Star is the only one that I've _never_ seen on CD.  Most of
    their catalog is available from Columbia House.
    
    Steve

    
    I reach for "Heaven & Hell"
                "The Mob Rules"
            and "Live Evil" quite often.
    
    
    Great stuff,
    Kev --
    (BTW, what the hell is R. Dio up to these days?)
    
    
    

    I have to put in a vote for Mob Rules...awesome album!The best song on
    it is "falling off the edge of the world".I like Ozzy with Sabbath and
    I like Dio with Sabbath...anyone else doesn't do it for me!
    
    
    
    							ian

    Has anyone heard of two new video tapes of Sabbath's stuff? A buddy of
    mine said he seen two tapes, one tape is all Ozzy, videos, live stuff,
    ect... and the other is post Ozzy, Dio, Gillian the other dude that
    can't sing, ect..... 
    Is he pulling my crank or is this true? 

Hi,

I just got tickets to Black Sabbath/Motorhead at Great Woods.  I was
wondering what the current lineup of Sabbath would be.  I assume Dio would
be singing?  Who else is in the band now?  Iommi? Geezer? Ward? ??

thanks,

adam

Adam,

I just picked up a copy of Forbidden, the latest Sabs album, at the weekend.

The line up is : Tony Iommi - Guitars
		 Neil Murray - Bass
		 Cozy Powell - Drums
		 Tony Martin - Vocals (Ice T also appears briefly on one track)
		 Geoff Nicholls - Keys

This could well be the line up you'll see.

Cheers,
	Ian.

    Ice_T??!!!!  What the Hell is this World Comin To??
    
    
    
        Crazy_The_End_MUST_Be_Near_Al

    ice_T is  really cool with sabbath ....
    
    
    max_body_count_9_july_95_munich_terminal_
    

    re newest line-up
    
      I saw this line up on the head-less cross tour a few years back and
    didn't think much of Tony Martin.Dio was way better but then again,I'm
    slightly biased as I like Dio a lot!
    
    
    					ian

The Ice-T thing isn't as bad as you might think, he only has a short section in 
the first tune and it fits ok.

I'm a real big fan of Sabbath with both Ozzy and Dio, but I lost interest in them 
around "Seventh Star" time and only recently started catching up with their newer 
stuff.
I've only listened to Forbidden a couple of times so far, but it's definately more 
like a real Sabbath album then the last couple.

Tony Martin is definately different to Dio, but I think he's ok on this one.
The only other on I've got with him is Cross Purposes, which didn't hold my 
attention long enough to decide if he was any good.

You're taking a bit of a chance with Sabbath these days, as Iommi doesn't seem to 
be able to get on with a line-up long enough to record two albums in a row without 
changes, but I'd go to see them live on the strength of this CD.


Ian.

>The only other on I've got with him is Cross Purposes, which didn't hold my 
>attention long enough to decide if he was any good.
    
    Really?  I thought Cross Purposes was WAAYYYYYYYY better than the new
    one.  In fact I think the new one is absolutely horrible.  It's only
    got two songs that I like.  Tracks 5 and 8.
    
    I was listening to it yesterday, and I realized how "novice" the guitar
    playing sounds.  It sounds like some kid who just learned how to play
    guitar a little bit making stuff up.  Really chintzy and repetitious
    riffs that make Tony Iommi sound like he should have given it up
    long ago.  Just MHO of course!
    
    If you like Tony Martin at all, check out Sabbath's first album with
    him.  The Eternal Idol.  This one is great... he really sings well on
    it, and the songs are catchy and have quite a bit of replay value.
    (In other words it makes you want to play the album again.)
    
    Ken
    
    

If anyone is considering going to this show (Black Sabbath with Motorhead
opening), let me know.  I may have an extra ticket and I'll let it go at a
discount ($20, or maybe lower).

Also, this show is general admission, so every ticket's the same!

adam

    re: a couple back
    
    Forbidden was given one star out of five in the Ottawa Sun this week.
    Mind you the critic doesn't like Rock music a whole lot so his opinion
    means nothing but Sabbath isn't the same with out a least two original
    members. Eternal Idol wasn't impressive and Tyr hellasucked so is this
    one really any better? Don't wanna waste $25 on crap.
    
    Dave

The show last night at Great Woods was excellent.  Sad turnout, though, I'd
say about 700 people.  The entire turnout could have fit in section 2
(right in front of the stage).  Lemmy was a bit perturbed by the low
turnout, as you could tell by his between-song banter (which I could hardly
understand due to his growly voice and the loud sound system).  No girls
lifting their shirt for him this time around :-).  If they did Ace of
Spades, it must have been at the very beginning because I didn't hear it. 
They were fairly well received by the crowd, especially the Motor-heads up
front.

There was a short break, then Black Sabbath came out.  Tony came on first. 
He looked real good, especially since he's getting up there in age.  The
same lineup from the album (mentioned here a few notes ago) was on stage. 
They did basically everything I knew from them (I'm not a *big* fan).  Tony
Martin is an excellent singer.  He sounds a lot like Bruce Dickinson.  His
Dio voice was very close to the original.  The Ozzy tunes came across real
well too.  His voice is accurate and he never cracked.  And the sound was a
little better than Motorhead's (the ear plugs helped to clarify things a
bit :-))  Cozy Powell kicked ass also.  The band was very tight, and
Iommi's guitar playing was accurate and tasteful.  I enjoyed the show.  The
Ironman->Heaven and Hell->Paranoid->Ironman ending was great :-)  These
guys looked like fine examples of clean living.

Oh, and as soon as I parked, I started looking around to dump my extra
ticket.  Someone near my car was happy to give me $20 for the ticket, so I
was happy.  We ended up hanging out together for the show, and he was a big
fan of the band, so he was able to ID all the songs I didn't know :-)

adam

    New Best of...
    Hi everyone,	
    	        a new best of put together by Ozzy & Gezzy is out.It
    includes all great Sabbath songs from 70 to 83.As a matter of fact,it's
    got only 3 non-Ozzy songs.
       Anyway, best songs were made under Ozzy's era.
    		So if U are a true fan, get hold of this one.
     				Shake
    P.S: Original songs have been re-masterised.
      

    
    I have to disagree.."Mob rules" is an excellant album and contains
    one of the best Black Sabbath songs ever.."falling off the edge of the
    world"
    
    
    						ian

    I agree but one has to admit that the true BS spirit & atmosphere is
    best characterized by Ozzy.
    Just to remind that I also like post-Ozzy albums(Mob rules, Heaven...,
    Headless cross namely).
    				Shake.

    
    I thought headless cross was a bit a turkey!The last album with RJD
    that came out a couple of years ago was good!
    
    
    						ian

    
       I liked the "Technical Ectasy" album and "Sabatage" Albums the BEST
    !!!
    
    /Sax

    re: -1
    
    Johnny Blade is on "Never Say Die", but still a great song!
    
    

    
      Oh Yeah....you win $10.  Shane Pay the man !
    
    

    
    	Rumor has it that Rob Halford [from Judas Priest and Fight] is
    	joining Black Sabbath.
    

Where did you hear that rumour?  That would be GREAT!!

    
    That has been talked about in the rock-n-roll.heavy newsgroup over the 
    past couple of weeks at least. No confirmations that I have seen yet. I
    also heard Rob was forming a new band called Halford. No clue on this
    rumor either. Don't know why Fight broke up in the first place. Their
    first disc was better than the second.
    
    Scott Travis also supposedly played the drums on the new priest disc.
    
    

    
    	I heard the rumor on WAAF or WHJY this morning.
    
    	If by "new" Judas Priest disc, you meant "Painkiller", then
    	yes, Scott played drums on that.  If there's another after
    	that, then please let me know because I don't own it yet.
    

    
    The new JP album is supposedly done except for the vocal tracks. If Rob
    does do sabbath, that would be interesting! I'd go just to see that! I
    can see him on stage with a bullwhip singing I am Iron Man!! ;-)
    
    

    
    I'd love to hear Rob with Sabbath...I think he'd do a fine job
    of nailing some of those high Ozzy/vocal melodies from the past-
    no problemo.
    
    Kev --
    
    

    
    I dunno about this one....It sounds like Sabbath trying to save their
    careers.
    
    
    
    						Ian

    
    
    
    RE:-1 
    
    Good luck.

Well for anyone who wants to hear Rob with Sabbath, you can hear one track
of it at least on a new Black Sabbath Tribute album Called Nativity in Black.

Just picked it up over the weekend, and was very surprised.  It's better than
I thought.  Some of the songs rival the originals.

Here's a track list:

After Forever			Biohazard
Children of the Grave		White Zombie
Paranoid			Megadeth         (excellent version)
Supernaut			1000 Homo DJ's
Iron Man			Therapy W/ Ozzy on vocals
Lord Of This World		Corrosion of Conformity  (Excellent)
Symptom of the Universe		Sepultura
The Wizard			Bullring Brummies with Rob Halford  (Excellent!)
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath		Bruce Dickinson W/Godspeed   (excellent)
N.I.B.				Ugly Kid Joe	(another excellent one)
War Pigs (live)			Faith no more
Black Sabbath			Type O Negative


Ken

    More splurging on my part, dangit!  8(

    But DEFINATELY worth it on this count!
    
    Paully
    

    
    	"War Pigs" by Faith No More is the best Sabbath cover I've heard
    	so far.
    

    
       Yeah, Koolest ever...Yeah Way Kool.  Oh it's the best far ever...
    Yeah, way kool...heh heh heh heh....way kool BUTTHEAD !
    
    

    
    re: .333 SLAB
    
    Huh? He goofs the vocals, misses part of the song, etc...I think
    Symptom of the Universe by (I think) Sepultura is waaaaaay better!
    
    When I first heard it it sounded ok, then the goofing on the lyrics,
    then missing part of the song.....not professional enough in my books
    for putting it on the disc....that is one of the worst (IMO) covers
    I've heard for Sabbath!
    
    

    
    <- I've gotta hear that one.
    
    Kev --
    

    
    	RE: .333
    
    	I didn't hear the version on the tribute album ... it sounds
    	as if they might have redone it since "The Real Thing".
    

    OK sab fans. Can you help me out here.
    
    I've recently been listening to some of my favourite old sab tracks
    from the early albums. I think some of the lyrics are superb but some
    I just can't make out.
    
    One thing thats driving me crazy is trying to make out the words in
    Electric Funeral from the Paranoid album.
    
    The section goes -
    
    "Plastic flowers, melting sun.
    Fading moon falls upon
    Dieing world of radiation
    Victim of man's frustration
    
    ... ...
    Like electric funeral fire"
    
    Where "... ..." sounds like "Burning glow-bo-fox-een fire"
    
    Can you put me out of my misery and blow the cobwebs off your lyric
    sheets and tell me what is said.
    
    If you haven't listened to Paranoid for a while, check it out.
    
    Royston

    Yo,  It goes...
    
    	" Burning globe of oxy'n fire, like electric funeral pyre. "
    
    	Now you can set your mind at ease and bang thy head!
    
    
    	   J

    
    re: last couple
    
    I love the way we interpret the words when we can't quite understand
    them, then find out exactly what is being said/sung and look at
    ourselves in the mirror and go "DUH"! ;-)   I'll be the first to admit
    it (before donning flame retardant gear!) as I've done something
    similar till I got to read the lyrics!
    
    

    
    
    Wow!  That used to be my favorite song, off of my favorite 
    album....
    
    
    		CF

    
    RE: -2
    
    Too funny.  Remember that England Dan and John Ford Coley(sp?) song
    "I really wanna see you tonight"?   Well one of my English friends
    swore the lyrics were "I'm not talking about my linen" and he said it
    made no sense.....until I explained the lyrics were "I'm not talking
    about moving in"...and then recommended he go in for a hearing exam! 
    :^)
    
    /jen

    
    Wow- I thought they were the same lyrics! Really I did!
    
    "I'm not talking about my linen" 
    
    
    
    hahaha
    
    SueJ

    
    	Jen, I've seen that song mentioned several times in "what did they
    	say in that song"-type of discussions.
    

    And I really thought that "Lay Down Sally"
    
    Was lay down the salad....

    What's the next line?
    
    "Hold you in my Thousand Islands"???
    
    	J

    When CCR sang "There's a bad moon on the rise", I kept hearing a worker
    across the room sing "There's a bathroom on the right".
    
    It took me 6 months to tell him (with a straight face) what the real
    words were, but by then we were ALL singing the bathroom line anyway.
    
    ...and that's the one that sticks in my head.   To this day, I can't
    resist singing it HIS way.
    Mike
    

    Re .339
    
    Thanks you've put my mind at rest. If only all my problems were so easy
    to resolve !
    
    Re .341
    
    Yeah, my fav. also. Its hard to believe it was recorded 27 years ago.
    
    Regards and Ozzy's two finger salute,
    
    Royston

    Pop_Quiz Time..
     What Sabbath_Tune Has Harmonica on it??
    
    
       Crazy_Very_Old_Al

Sabbath with harmonica = The Wizard

Excellent song!

Ken

    I Was Hopin That That Would Draw you Outta The Wood_Work,|KS|!
    
    
      You Win A Can of Campbells(All The Taste and 98% Fat_Free)
      Cream_of_MushRoom Soup!
    
    
    Crazy_See_Side_Panel_Fer_Information_About_Sodium_And_Other_Nutrients_Al

I knew it was a trick!

But I answered it on the off-chance that you were trying to guess a 
$1,000,000 contest question!


How about cream of mushroom soup without the cream or the soup?  :')

|KS|

    
    	Collecting cans, Ken?
    

    
    The Wizard roolz!