| Title: | GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion |
| Notice: | Discussion of the finer stringed instruments |
| Moderator: | KDX200::COOPER |
| Created: | Thu Aug 14 1986 |
| Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 3280 |
| Total number of notes: | 61432 |
I bought a Kawai DB-2 "Session Trainer" which allows you to
enter chord progressions to canned rhythms so that you can practice
improvising to bass-piano-drums.
It's not too bad - it allows for a fair amount of altered chords
and styles - rock, funk, jazz although I wish it had more
jazz tracks - non standard time signatures, etc.
This seemed like the least expensive way to get into sequencing -
it is just a box - no keyboard or speakers. I have not been
going to music stores in a while --
what else is out there in the way of affordable sequencing?
what kind of hardware do you have to buy to be able to sample
your own rhythms and do sequencing?
what is a good/affordable digital reverb unit?
Also if anyone else has a DB-2 - i'll trade user song disks!
Paul
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| 2626.1 | kp7, quick before the guitar mods catch us! | EZ2GET::STEWART | I jam, therefore, I am | Thu Nov 19 1992 20:09 | 7 |
Check out the COMMUSIC conference on IMDOWN::. Despite the name of the
conference, not everything discussed in there is computer-related -
though a computer-based solution is definitely a possibility for the
kinds of things you mentioned.
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| 2626.2 | db in a box??? | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | db | Fri Nov 20 1992 08:42 | 7 |
I think the guys in my band would tell you that one DB is enough.
The last thing they need is a DB-2?
;-)
db
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| 2626.3 | Practice Tool Only | SHOEBX::CONNER | Fri Nov 20 1992 08:50 | 11 | |
I only mentioned it here cause I think it does have a bias towards
guitar players -
You can plug your guitar into it and has an overdrive effect -
I just see it as an alternative for those who can't find a
rhythm section to jam with - I live in Peoria, IL.
All's you need is some music theory or some chord charts!
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| 2626.4 | Obsessive | TECRUS::TECRUS::ROST | Limo driver for Ringo Starr | Fri Nov 20 1992 10:30 | 3 |
Actually, isn't this thing called a *G*B-2? Whatever...
Brian
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| 2626.5 | I couldn't resist | WEORG::WIEGLER | Fri Nov 20 1992 10:43 | 6 | |
re: .2
Yup, I agree. DB-1 suits me just fine. In fact, I'll bet my
DB-1 can play rings around your DB-2!
;^)
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| 2626.6 | G | SHOEBX::CONNER | Fri Nov 20 1992 15:37 | 3 | |
I've never been able to spell - GB-2 it is.
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| 2626.7 | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Big cheese, MAKE me! | Fri Nov 20 1992 17:41 | 6 | |
I've corrected the note title...
How much variety in exercises does this unit give? It appears to claim
a lot in the advertisements. What's the going price?
Greg
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| 2626.8 | Varietry | SHOEBX::CONNER | Wed Nov 25 1992 17:04 | 52 | |
$300 - I didn't shop around too much for price...
You basically choose from 48 preprogrammed patterns (read only) or 10
user song patterns (read-write) to play - practice with. A pattern is
the combination of a drum track, bass line, and 2 chord tracks
(separate chord synth parts), and the chord progression itself.
The basic play pattern functions are start, stop, continue, start with
intro, stop with ending, play fill - usually a drum fill, turn off
bass, turn off chords. Once started, each track loops forever until
stopped. You can also adjust the tempo of the pattern (faster, slower,
but same pitch) or raise or lower the pitch (in half steps I think).
The user song patterns allow you to copy in existing patterns and edit
them - change the pattern name, rhythm/foundation pattern, tempo, chord
progression, turn on/off bass, chord1, chord2, drums, add fills, vary
the pattern (each pattern has 2 variances - slightly different bass
lines or comp rhythms). You can influence the bass line up by
specifying poly-chords ex. CMA7/G makes the bass play a G note instead
of the note it would have based on the canned/foundation pattern. You
can also program limited looping of specific measures (repeat measures
5-8 four times).
The machine merges your set of edits with the foundation pattern - so
for example, you can influence the root and chord type of a chord but
not the inversion or register of how the chord was "sampled" if that
makes any sense. (Some times certain chord changes sound clumsy when
merged to the foundation pattern.)
Once edited your user song is saved (non-volatile). You can buy
separate disks to import other patterns or export your own user songs -
each disk can hold up to 64 patterns, I think.
From a music styles perspective, most of the patterns fall into a rock,
funk, or pop-jazz category. Some of the patterns (chord progressions)
are stolen from actual tunes. (Maybe they are all.) - I've been able
to map 5 foundation patterns to (straight ahead) jazz standards. All
of the patterns are 4 to the bar except one - a jazz waltz (Bluesette).
There are a couple of decent bossa/samba patterns.
A bunch of stuff is available but I haven't heard anything from disk yet.
If you see it at the music store just press the play button to start
a pattern and then press a two digit pattern number 00-47 to hear the
different foundation patterns.
I think everyone would get tired of the out-of-the-box patterns pretty
quick and that the usefullness of this thing is in the user songs and
tempo control.
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