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Hmmmm... do I detect a subtle change of personal name there...?
�^) �^)
*DC

    OK...  can't pull the wool over your eyes huh. 
    
    Fact: Fred is doing a side by side comparison between a Mesa Mk-IIc
    ----  with a EVM-12" against my Peavey MX with a EVM-12".
    
    Now, before the Boogie owners/followers start sending me hate mail like;    
    "gee Fred what are ya stupid"? Take a PV over a Mesa? hahahahahahahahahah 
    "You can't tell the difference?"
    "WHAT ARE YOU DEAF"! and
    "Go with the real amp Derfbrain"...   etc.
    
    Let me say that I think I have a one in a million Peavey (IMHO) and it will
    take alot for me to get rid of it (at this point in the game)
    especially after retubing it with those SOLVTEK 6L6GC's YA-HOO!!
    
    Ahem...   so I'm "playing around" with this Boogie Mk-IIc head and
    I'm using the EVM-12 from my MX and I'm having a hard time getting
    a good lead sound. It's lacking the "crunch" I get from my stickin'
    P-word MX. I figure that if I can get that tone from a PV, gosh...
    I have to be able to get as good AND better from a Boogie...  right?
    
    So...  back to the BASENOTE...  what are *your* favorite Boogie
    settings for both Clean, semi-clean and lead crunch?
    
    	Enter now while the E-lines are open!  ;)
    
    
    			Rock on,
    				Fred
    

    My fav boogie setting is when I unplug the cord from the input jack
    and re-plug it into an older Marshall top!

    
    Ummmm....how about setting it in a corner and putting a plant on it?
    Oh, calm down, I'm only kidding. 8-)
    
    
    Have you thought of peeking over at db's amp at your next gig?  Seems
    to me db has spent more time working with Boogies than most.
    
    Kevin
    
    

    Hey Fred,  I just can't help but ask...  If you're happy with your MX,
    why do you keep auditioning other amps?  You got a bad case of GTS
    lately or what?
    
    I hear Boogies make a good crunch sound when striking concrete after
    having been heaved from the roof of a several story building!
    
    Greg

    RE: Flower pot and good crunch after...
    
    WAGAGAGA...oh, please stop, it hurts from laughing!

     Fred, stay with the Peavey, If you played the other amp and didn't
     decide to immediatly replace your P-word amp, then the difference
     isn't dramatic enough to warrent trading. I think you'll give the
     Boogie every opportunity to sound "better", just because......
     Its a Boogie. Don't believe all the hype, some Boogies sound
     incredible ( or so I'm told  B*)   ) and some are dogs. GTS is a
     easy thing to get , but if you don't absolutly love the new amp,
     more so than the Peavey, stay with the Peavey
    
     Jon

    
    re: gazillion wagagagagaga's from Buck about Boogie's and tone...
    
    	... naw, never mind ...  
    
    	Tom (who's tone ain't too bad - for a Boogie, of course)
    

      Thanks for all the replies here and also for all those settings, [^} 
    but the deal here is that I went home, kicked my family out of my
    basement, warmed up both the PV-MX and the Boogie and did a real
    A/B comparison (insert sonic II earplugs here) ;). The Boogie had a 
    GREAT/KILLER clean tone (which was VERY warm and colorful. I fell in 
    love the first time I heard it! Then hit the A/B switch and went to 
    the MX...  hmmmmm not bad either. OK...  go to the lead/crunch/solo/
    bizerk channel...    hmmmmm...  sounds good to me, hit A/B switch back 
    to the Boogie...  hmmmmm I guess I need to play around more with the 
    tone controls  :(. OK! Now I have a great tone on the Mesa that's ALOT 
    warmer than the MX! GREAT now go back to the cleaner channel on the 
    Boogie...  hmmmm, alittle thin due to the bass being rolled off enough 
    so that I don't get this low end distortion. OK, a trade-off here with 
    the Mesa that I don't have to deal with on the MX.
    
    	What's a guy to do? Alot of things in life include trade-offs...
    	Thanks for all the replies. I would hold on to the MX regardless
        of what else I bought (since it wouldn't bring much money on the
        market anyway). The quest continues...
    
    Yo Greg, why am I looking around if I'm happy with my amp? I guess I,  
    like alot of people look for the "ultimate tone" from time to time and
    that some folks (while happy with what they have) look for something
    that's better. I believe we all have a "love/hate" relationship with
    our equipment and with all the different things on the market some of
    us are just plain curious. I didn't check Boogie's out just to have one
    BTW, I thought/still think it may give me what I'm looking for, but I
    haven't found that fineline yet. I don't jump at anything in life
    (unless someone offered me a mint '66 Corvette for $2000.00 ;^) or if
    Paul Abdul needed a date for Saturday night...   fat chance)  many MANY
    ;^)'s.
    
    	The quest continues...    hey, I'll play until the cows come home
    and maybe I'll find what I'm looking for...  then again, maybe not, but
    I have to admit that the field is narrowing down to a few choices.
    Besides, I would be saving alot of money if I didn't buy anything!
    Maybe I need a vacation more than an amp!  Hmmmmmm...  let me think
    about that too!   ;^)
    
    				Rock on,
    					Fred

    RE: .8
    
    Wherre is your sense of humor, Tom?!?

    RE: .9
    
    Sounds EXACTLY like the problem I had with my Kitty M3.  I just
    couldn't find an EQ setting that satisfied my need for a massive
    distortion (without too much bass), and still be able to get a cool
    clean tone...
    
    jc (who dumped the amp)
    

    
    	Hey Bill - what do you mean ???  
    
    	I really do think your notes about Boogie's are very funny!!!
    
    	Really, I do...
    
    
    

    re: .9
    
    Why Fred (wink,wink), I didn't know you cared!
    
    Paul Abdul
    
    ;)

    >	I really do think your notes about Boogie's are very funny!!!
    >
    >	Really, I do...
    
    Great...that makes TWO of us, then!
    ;^)

    RE: -1
    
    YO BUCK!!   (please insert GREAT sense of humor and many MANY  ;^)'s )
    
	... did your Marshall come with a fire extinguisher as standard
        equipment???
    
    	Montgomery Ward has them on sale this week! Maybe you guys
    should pick up three or four!
    
    
    		Rock on,
    			Fred (who_smoked_his_Marshall_Major_in_college)
    
    
    P.S. They've got fuses on sale too!    ;^)

    	I plan on using the Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp for my dirty
    channel, by putting the EQ in a V form. And use the ADA for my Most
    Exellent Clean Sound!!!!
    
    Pierre who think the Mosvalve Power Amp helps out alot............

    This is my greatest frustration with Boogies (and I think a lot of
    others who've mentioned it in the past): Not enough separation between
    clean and lead channel control. You can set it up to get a great rhythm
    sound, then switch to lead and ... phhhhht. So you tweak up the lead,
    and it really hums, then switch back to rhythm and .. you've lost it.
    Being the only guitarist in my group, I switch back and forth
    constantly, and I couldn't imagine the hassle of trying to set up to
    get a good sound on both channels in an actual performing situation.
    
    I know some others in hear use Boogies and swear by them. And I've
    heard some of you, and I think you sound great. But I can't conceive
    how you do it. I opted way back for an amp with completely independent
    channels, and I couldn't live without it. If I had a Boogie, I'd have
    to have two amps.
    
    - Ram
    
    P.S. - Don't you just love all of the help you're getting on Boogie
    settings, Fred?
    

re .-1
The Mark IV "fixes" some of that by giving separate gain and tone controls for
each channel (but, bass and mid are still shared between the clean (R1)
and crunch rhythm (R2) channels). See note 1853.
The main problem I've had in setting up my Mk IV is getting the clean channel
dirty enough �^}
I find the clean channel too clean, and the crunch rhythm
channel too dirty, if you use the "recommended" settings.
*DC

    Yo, Fredster,
    
    Could you (or perhaps db) describe what controls are available on a
    Mark II?
    
    Regards,
    The Johnerino

    Mark IIB Controls (standard):
    
    Some of the knobs also pull-out to turn things on and off
    
    On the front panel:
    
    	Vol 1 - first preamp volume -
    		Pull: EQ shift
    	Treble - treble of 3 way EQ
    		Pull: Boosts highs
    	Mid
    	Bass
    	Master:  Master volume
    		Pull: Gain boost
    	Lead Drive: sorta controls gain of 2nd preamp stage
    	Lead Volume: controls volume of 2nd preamp
    		Pull: engages 2nd preamp (lead mode)
    
    	On/Off
    	Standby
    
    On the back panel
    
    	Presence - 
    	Reverb (optional)